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wvParticipantYeah, it sucks. Its like you know there is a minefield there, and they cant see it. But they want you to walk through it. Cause they dont have the knowledge.
Knowledge-differences, often lead to this kind of situation.
Ah well.
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The funeral was held in Columbia in the first week of March and many who attended are now in quarantine, The State reported.
“They attended that same funeral and unfortunately passed away from Covid,” Sumpter County coroner Robbie Baker said.
“They came back to Sumter, got sick, and I was notified they had passed. Unfortunately, a large amount of people congregated at that funeral, somebody there was infected with it, spread it, and just didn’t know it.”
A husband and wife who died days apart are among those who were infected while attending the funeral. The couple had been married for 50 years….
link:https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/coronavirus-south-carolina-deaths-cases-funeral-a9471541.html
wvParticipantI’ve got some Monarda (bee balm) too, but mine doesnt last long. Maybe two weeks or so, and its done. The bees do love it though.
I’m trying to plan a garden that has plants that bloom early, and then some that bloom in the middle of summer and then some that bloom late. So the pollinators always have something to do.
I’m thinking of trying to raise some goldenrod for a late summer bloom.
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wvParticipantThis is the worst dog dance, i have ever seen. I’m speechless.
wvParticipantIn all of my native-plant books, this flower is always listed somewhere in the top ten. Usually in the top three.
I plan on raising some next year.
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wvParticipantIf Trump’s weasel-number-crunchers come up with the same numbers….what will he do in the last month before the election?
Anything. He could do…anything.
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wvParticipantThat’s a good video. I’ve found this is something you really can’t do without expert sources. As you would expect, just because you find something growing all over wild areas does not mean it’s native (see Japanese knotweed). I have multiflora rose bushes that I really like in my back yard that I assumed (more like hoped) were native because I find them when I’m hiking. *Wrong* – it was brought over here from China in the 1860s and state agencies encouraged its use to prevent soil erosion, and for wildlife cover up until about the 1960s so now you will find it everywhere. It’s now illegal to distribute or sell it in New England. I guess I should remove it. It doesn’t attract many pollinators from what I can tell, but the birds like the red fruit it produces in the fall.
Hosta would be a good example of a non-native cultivar that indigenous pollinators really like. Bees, butterflies and hummingbirds really go for it.
I have this week off, so I may drive up to this place at some point… https://www.vermontwetlandplants.com/
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Yeah, i have found it an interesting, complex issue. I’ve looked up everything in my yard and virtually 95 percent of the plants in my yard came from Asia.
I have slowly been reading about what might work in my yard. The Xerces Society is good source according to the ewe. I bought one of their books and it was quite lucid.
Based on what I’ve read, It might be argued that the single most life-affirming act any western-human could do, would be to plant and nurture an Oak Tree.
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Pollinator-Friendly Alternatives to Hosta & Daylily
5/27/201819 Comments
It’s cool if you love your hosta and daylily collection, however their value to pollinators is minimal even if they are easier than bindweed to grow (oh, bindweed, you scoundrel). Neither plant is a host for butterfly or moth larvae, so we won’t be making new pollinators, and the nectar is primarily accessible and suitable to long-tongued generalist adult insects only (think bumble bees).
What could we use instead that would help more pollinators and still be simple to grow? This is assuming you don’t care so much how the plant looks in comparison to a hosta or daylily (no apples to apples here), but simply how it acts and how easy it is to cultivate. So for hosta we’re looking at plants that thrive in dry shade, and for daylily plants that enjoy medium to dry sun. Plus, if you use all 5 suggested plants for each replacement, you’re getting a bigger bloom succession and helping far more adult pollinators.
You’ll find all of the below perennials featured more in depth in our plant profiles:https://www.monarchgard.com/thedeepmiddle/pollinator-friendly-alternatives-to-hosta-daylily
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“Ultimately, every garden is an ideology.”
― Benjamin Vogt, A New Garden Ethic: Cultivating Defiant Compassion for an Uncertain Future
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Print this out, soak it in vinegar, and bake it in the oven for an hour.
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Maybe you should just move to Portland.
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wvParticipant“…After word reached the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) about the use of leaf blowers against tear gas, an official within the department told Washington Post reporter Nick Miroff that they were frustrated with efforts by protesters to do so, and astonished that they’d return the chemicals back toward the federal officers who initially fired them off…”
wvParticipantNYT:https://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/18/books/review/proletarian-science.html
Proletarian Science
By Jonathan Weiner
Dec. 18, 2005
A PEOPLE’S HISTORY OF SCIENCE
Miners, Midwives, and “Low Mechanicks.”By Clifford D. Conner.
Illustrated. 554 pp.“GIVE thy heart to letters,” an Egyptian father advised his son on a piece of papyrus more than 3,000 years ago, in the hope that his child would choose a life of writing over a life of manual labor. “I have seen the metal worker at his toil before a blazing furnace. . . . His fingers are like the hide of the crocodile, he stinks more than the eggs of fish. And every carpenter who works or chisels, has he any more rest than the plowman?”
Laborers are “generally held in bad repute,” Xenophon wrote about 700 years later, “and with justice.” Manual jobs keep men too busy to be decent companions or good citizens, “so that men engaged in them must ever appear to be both bad friends and poor defenders of their country.”
Clifford D. Conner thinks this kind of snobbery has distorted the writing of history from ancient times to the present, because historians are scribes themselves and it is a clean, soft hand that holds the pen. In writing about science, for instance, historians celebrate a few great names — Galileo, Newton, Darwin, Einstein — and neglect the contributions of common, ordinary people who were not afraid to get their hands dirty. With “A People’s History of Science,” Conner tries to help right the balance. The triumphs of science rest on a “massive foundation created by humble laborers,” he writes. “If science is understood in the fundamental sense of knowledge of nature, it should not be surprising to find that it originated with the people closest to nature: hunter-gatherers, peasant farmers, sailors, miners, blacksmiths, folk healers and others.”
It’s a good subject for a book of popular science, which is what Conner sets out to give us: “a history not only of the people but for the people as well.” Most science writing really is dominated by the Great Man theory of history. I can see that just by glancing at the books on my own shelves — a few of which I’ve written. I don’t know if we’re much worse about this than historians of art, literature, politics or sports, and I don’t know if we’re snobs, but we do love to honor the great. Even the great scientists honor the great. “If I have seen further,” Newton wrote, “it is by standing on the shoulders of giants.” At the same time, Newton also stood on the backs of “anonymous masses of humble people,” as Conner says, “untold thousands of illiterate artisans.” An accomplished army of the anonymous bequeathed him their tools, data, problems, ideas and even, Conner argues, the scientific method itself.
Conner’s book works best in the early chapters. Hunter-gatherers and early farmers domesticated plants and animals and gave us corn, wheat, rice, beef, pork, chicken, almost every kind of food we eat. They changed the world more than modern genetic engineers have done, so far. Pacific islanders navigated not only by the stars but also by wave patterns; lying down in their canoes, they could read the stars with their eyes and the swells with their backs. Anonymous blacksmiths added tin to copper and made an alloy that is much stronger and yet also more malleable than copper — bronze. Since copper and tin are rarely found together in the ground, the invention of bronze probably required a long series of experiments. Generations of experimenters sweated in the mouth of the furnace. Tough, trial-and-error, sometimes live-or-die work like this was gradually refined into the intellectual and rarefied pursuit we call science. The Greeks didn’t invent science; they learned from the Egyptians, Babylonians and Phoenicians. And the Industrial Revolution could not have taken place in England without the work of brewers, salt makers, miners and canal diggers. Conner does include one case of poetic justice. A great moment in the history of science was the publication of Andreas Vesalius’s anatomy book, “De Humani Corporis Fabrica,” in 1543. What made the book a triumph wasn’t the Latin text Vesalius wrote but the 420 illustrations. He never took the trouble to name the artists he’d hired to draw them. Nobody has ever translated the whole of Vesalius’s text into a modern Western language; the illustrations have stayed in print from that year to this.
As science gained prestige, and its leaders joined the elite, artisans and mechanics often had a hard time getting recognized. Anton van Leeuwenhoek, the linen draper who founded the science of microbiology, felt inferior because he was not university-trained. John Harrison, the British carpenter and clockmaker who solved the longitude problem, was badly treated by the elites. So was William Smith, who gave geologists their first stratigraphic maps.
By the 20th century, it had become almost impossible for outsiders to contribute to the scientific enterprise. Conner calls this “the downside of a people’s history of science.”
Some of the people in this book would make terrific subjects for popular biographies. John Harrison’s story has already been celebrated by Dava Sobel in “Longitude,” and Smith’s by Simon Winchester in “The Map That Changed the World.” Next someone should tell the story of Cornelius Drebbel, a Dutch alchemist who, according to Conner, plunged a submarine into the Thames in 1620, providing the passengers with bottles of oxygen — more than 150 years before the gas or the very concept of gases had been officially discovered.
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Why Intellectuals Support DictatorsUnfortunately, this people’s history isn’t very good with people. In his acknowledgments, Conner tells us that his book grew out of friendships he made back in the 1960’s and 70’s in the trade union and antiwar movements. He was also influenced by the periodical Science for the People. The passion for class struggle that led him to his encyclopedic project makes his style as angry and inky as a pamphleteer’s: “Magellan’s death resulted from his own imperialistic belligerence.” “Widespread malnutrition in poor countries underlies diseases responsible for tens of thousands of deaths every day.” (His italics.)
Conner is too busy counterbalancing the Great Man theory to tell us about, say, Newton’s extraordinary mind, because “it does not add much to understanding the root causes of the rise of modern science.” He doesn’t tell us about the personalities of other people either, whether they appear in this long, uneven book as victims or aggressors in the class struggle. Even the author’s own personality threatens to disappear. He draws heavily on the historians Joseph Needham and J. D. Bernal, inserting hundreds of long quotations in big blocks, often without attribution on the page — to find out who said what, you have to keep turning to the notes. Not only is this a history of the people, for the people, Conner explains; “because I have drawn on the collective efforts of many predecessors, it might not be far-fetched to say that in a sense it is also by the people.” Sometimes even his sentences are collective efforts: “Biologist Jared Diamond’s ’33 years of working with New Guineans in their own intact societies’ led him to conclude that ‘modern “Stone Age” peoples are on the average probably more intelligent, not less intelligent, than industrialized peoples.’ ”
Writing like this doesn’t do anybody any favors. The Great Man theory may not make a good history of science, but neither does what you might call the Great Mass theory. Not long ago, Sherwin B. Nuland, the doctor and writer, published an essay titled “The Man or the Moment?” in The American Scholar. Nuland argued that historians of science who write exclusively about the social forces that shape a discovery while leaving individuals out of the equation miss half the story, “because part of the process is the distinctive personality of the discoverer.” To understand each bit of scientific progress, he concluded, we have to examine both social and personal factors. “The punishment for devaluing the significance of any of them is the writing of bad history.”
‘A People’s History of Science,’ by Clifford D. Conner Jonathan Weiner won a Pulitzer Prize in 1995 for “The Beak of the Finch.” He teaches science writing in Columbia University’s Graduate School of Journalism.
wvParticipantPeople’s History of Science:https://selections.rockefeller.edu/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/ns-03-2006.pdf
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wvParticipantmint:https://www.mintpressnews.com/tech-giants-position-themselves-as-landlords-as-end-of-eviction-moratorium-could-leave-millions-homeless/269744/?fbclid=IwAR0JL1Yf_XR8TrDyhRi-QQIh6tAOsO7YrmlhcC37RBCOu1HIS78jgqGrowM
Tech Giants Eye Lucrative Rent Market as End to Eviction Moratorium Could Leave Millions HomelessA “tsunami” of evictions is about to sweep across the United States when the 120-day moratorium ends today, threatening millions of Americans with homelessness or worse – a new set of landlords called Facebook, Google and Apple.
In a ‘normal’, pre-pandemic economy, a number roughly equal to the population of Pittsburg, Pennsylvania – or about 3.7 million people – are evicted every month in the United States, according to Matthew Desmond, principal investigator of Princeton University’s “Eviction Lab” project, which tracks evictions throughout the country and produces the first nationwide eviction database.
But, come Friday, July 24, those numbers could rise precipitously should the moratorium on evictions, included in the CARES Act be allowed to expire. The legislation afforded renters with a 120 days’ grace period from “fees, penalties, or charges in relation to nonpayment of rent” and barred landlords from filing eviction notices of any kind during that period….
…A “semi-permanent renter class” has developed among poor African Americans, in particular. 1 in 11 people who fall into this demographic face eviction every year. For the rest of the United States, the rate is 1 in 20….
…..Parallel to this and largely under the radar, however, the private tech sector is moving into position to swoop in and take advantage of the impending housing crisis. Just as news of a mysterious virus was breaking late last year, Facebook invested $1 billion for the construction of 20,000 new affordable housing units in California, following Google’s lead which had made the exact same commitment a few months earlier. Apple more than doubled Google’s and Facebook’s investment, combined, when it put down $2.5 billion for the same cause.
wvParticipantPosted by a resident of Portland, OR
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7. The Elk statue was taken down by the Police to “protect” it, but the Elk statue was a favorite of the protesters because it was uncontroversial; so they got a blow-up elk and put it where the real statue used to stand. It’s sort of a rallying point.”
… This is literally how the “secret police” in other authoritarian regimes began…————————-
I just wanna know where one gets “blow up Elk” dolls from.
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“Lakota believed that the mythical or spiritual elk, not the physical one, was the teacher of men and the embodiment of strength, sexual prowess and courage…”
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wvParticipantI’ve been thinking about doing this as well. I’m mostly in the planning stage at this point.
I was mildly surprised to learn that Black-eyed Susan is native to Vermont. I always figured that was some domestic variety originally bred in a green house.
I’ve also started taking inventory of the native plant species on my property before I start planting.
So far I have Black-eyed Susan.
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Well, as you probly know there are a gazillion kinds of ‘black eyed susans’ nowadays. Some might be considered ‘native’ and some not.
At any rate, I’ve planted a lot of them and hardly any bugs ever go on them. Tallamy does not rate them very high, apparently, fwiw.Which brings up the tricky frustrating subject that gnaws at the brains of Native-Plants-Folks — Are ‘Nativars’ just as useful as more ‘pure’ Native plants? (Nativar is taking two native plants and producing something new).
And is every cultivar, inferior to every native? Science sez no. But there’s not a lot of science on it.
wvParticipantOkay. Well. Thank you. I guess.
Now do New Zealand.
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New Z-land is fine. Except for the Orcs.
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wvParticipantI have added Vietnam to my list of countries to look at seriously. I skimmed over some article praising VN the other day. They’re not letting Americans in right now, though.
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Well, if you move to Vietnam, take a lifejacket. No.2 on the list.
wvParticipantBiden is not Hillary. Thats his best political-attribute.
Older voters like him. (His dementia is endearing, not a flaw to them. Kinda like Bush/Reagan’s stupidity was endearing to many Reps.)
But yeah, the question is will young people, minorities, progressives turn out, and vote for Biden.
And Covid is the X factor.
And Rep-Vote-Supression tactics are the Y factor.
And will Trump start a war with Iran. Or Portland.
And will Trump’s “Law And Order” card play well with the middle-class. It has played well all through history, in many countries. The bourgeoisie loves stability and order.
I dunno.
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What are they fucking DOING? There is a pandemic going on without any leadership, and riot police are storm-trooping their way around largely peaceful protests creating most of the violence, and the economy is about to crash and where are the Democrats? Where the hell ARE THEY?
The time is ripe for action. This is what I’m saying. And…like that tweet zn posted the other day…the Democrats plan is to put identification on the federal officers and their vans. That’s their counter proposal. Their big principled stand. Fuck me, man.
And they have completely thrown the country overboard on fighting the virus, and on protecting the American people from the coming economic collapse. Jesus, the GOP is coming for Social Security as we speak. Where the FUCK is Joe Biden? Where are the Democrats?
Anyway. I was going to respond to the content of your post, and I got sidetracked. I agree with everything you said. I think on the Law & Order thing, that’s really all Trump’s got to run on. His handling of the coronavirus has been devastating to him, so he has to run on the Tough Guy crap, but so far, that doesn’t appear to be working. The crowds in Portland have grown larger in response to this, and that strongly suggests support for the protest, and opposition to Trump. You are right that Law & Order has appeal in this country, but that has so far been a two-edged sword for Trump. Not everybody sees him as the right guy to establish L & O, and he is seen, in fact, as partly responsible for the disruption. He’s failing to deliver the Law & Order he stands for.
I think election comes down to voter suppression, and I think there will be significant legal battles. I mean…both sides have drawn up battle plans already. The Democrats are revving up for that, and Trump is going to throw gas on the fire. You know he is. So we’re going to have an exciting few months here, what with the economy about to collapse, corona partying up the place, stormtroopers doing a national tour with each stop bigger and better than the previous one, and the nastiest election fight we will have ever seen.
Good times.
Still waiting for my passport. Not that any country will let me in. Turkey will. I have a friend in Istanbul, but Turkey isn’t much better, is it?
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Well, i got nuthin. As per usual. I will say this though — Once Biden became annointed, the Dems were stuck with his pluses and minuses. And given his limitations, i think perhaps its best if he does not try to do to much. Ya know what i mean. Just sit in the basement, talk as little as possible and dont lose the game. Prevent-Defense, in other words. The Dem-numbers-weasels have crunched the numbers and think he has it won, as long as he doesnt make a big mistake.
Run the ball. Dont fumble it. Run out the clock. Say nothing.And then govern like Obama/Clinton and fuck the country in that Same Ole Sorry Ass Dem Way.
…btw, on the ‘law and order’ thing. Its funny, i just finished ‘Love and Capital’ about the Karl Marx and F.Engels families. And the time period of the book is from about 1825 to 1910 or so, basically. Anyway, all during the mid 1800’s there were all these little revolutions and uprisings and strikes and upheavals in France/Austria/Prussia/Spain/Russia. Long story short, the upper-middle-classes ALWAYS fucked over the ‘progressives’ in every country, LoL. They would lean toward mild reform or medium reform, but in the end they ALWAYS supported the ‘law and order’ repressive forces. Over and over and over, in every nation in Europe. It was hilarious reading about it, and reading Marx reaction to it.
‘Law and Order’ — a powerful aphrodisiac for the comfortable upper-middle-class weasels, among others.
We shall see if its enough to save Trump. I think it will take more than that. Voter Supression and Covid AND law-and-order might do it.
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wvParticipantSince we dont have an International Incident thread, I’ll put this here:
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link:https://mondoweiss.net/2020/07/israel-destroys-covid-19-testing-clinic-in-hebron-as-cases-soar/Israel destroys COVID-19 testing clinic in Hebron as cases soar
As the number of coronavirus cases in Palestine continue to soar, Israeli forces demolished this week a COVID-19 testing clinic in the city of Hebron, the epicenter of the outbreak in the occupied West Bank.
According to locals, Israeli forces demolished the clinic in the middle of the night, just before sunrise on Tuesday morning.
wvParticipantThe repugnant-weasel-shapiro doesnt like Trump’s chances.
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wvParticipantAmy Goodman’s question: “Is the United States being run by a MadMan?”
This is where we are at now 🙂
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wvParticipantNaturalizing in the 1780s.
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“….1780s…most prosperous Americans tended to have a vastly different perspective on relief legislation than that of most debtor farmers…
…..from the perspective of more affluent Americans, people’s failure to pay taxes was primarily attributable to their indolence and licentiousness. Governor William Livingston of New Jersey, writing as a ‘Primitive Whig,’ complained…of the ‘lazy, lounging, lubberly’ fellows who sat around drinking, ‘working perhaps but two days in the week and receiving for that work double the wages [they] earn and spending the rest of [their] time in squandering those….non-earnings in riot and debauch,’ yet then dared to complain ‘when the collector calls for his tax of the hardness of the times.’ The farmer who protested that he could not pay taxes was ‘a man whose three daughters are under the discipline of a French dancing master when they ought every one of them to be at the spinning wheel,’ and while they should be ‘dressed in decent homespun, as were their frugal grandmothers, now carry half of their father’s crops upon their backs.’
The well-to-do held a similar perspective on paper money laws and debtor relief legislation opining that these measures ‘enabled idle spendthrifts and dissipating drones of the community’ to live upon the ‘sweat of their neighbor’s brows.’ Because private debt ‘almost universally arises from ‘idleness and extravagance,’ Richard Henry Lee of Virginia argued……
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Constitutional Coup, M.Klarman
wvParticipantBiden is not Hillary. Thats his best political-attribute.
Older voters like him. (His dementia is endearing, not a flaw to them. Kinda like Bush/Reagan’s stupidity was endearing to many Reps.)
But yeah, the question is will young people, minorities, progressives turn out, and vote for Biden.
And Covid is the X factor.
And Rep-Vote-Supression tactics are the Y factor.
And will Trump start a war with Iran. Or Portland.
And will Trump’s “Law And Order” card play well with the middle-class. It has played well all through history, in many countries. The bourgeoisie loves stability and order.
I dunno.
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wvParticipantNot sure where to put this one: Historian on Police
wvParticipantWell, maybe not every GMO is good though. I mean why would it be?
Maybe some GMO’s will have unintended bad-consequences?I hate to bring up irrefutable hard-science again, but there was
that whole Jurassic Park incident. Parts one and two. And i think there was even a third.w
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wvParticipantFox version of the Portland Mayor getting himself tear-gassed.
(I like to listen to fox sometimes, to make sure i dont get all bubbled.)
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wvParticipantI started this at the 4 min mark. Klarman sums up his admittedly non-original interpretation of the Constitution:
“….the Constitution is a kindof conservative counter-revolution against the forces that were set in motion and accelerated by the revolutionary war.”
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wvParticipantlink:https://truthout.org/articles/philadelphia-da-says-trumps-police-will-be-arrested-if-they-assault-protesters/?eType=EmailBlastContent&eId=942d717f-fc0c-4c92-8cf7-905531f23694
Philadelphia DA Says Trump’s Police Will Be Arrested If They Assault Protesters“My dad volunteered and served in World War II to fight fascism, like most of my uncles, so we would not have an American president brutalizing and kidnapping Americans for exercising their constitutional rights and trying to make America a better place, which is what patriots do,” Krasner said. “Anyone, including federal law enforcement, who unlawfully assaults and kidnaps people will face criminal charges from my office.”
On Wednesday, Krasner reiterated what he had said earlier in the week, tweeting out that his office “will not make excuses for crimes committed by law enforcement that demean the democratic freedoms so many Americans have fought and died to preserve.”
wvParticipantOn the 3rd vid with Brooks, the one posted by you (wv) that’s titled “Michael Brooks on his background, his book, and Bernie (opening remarks at Lafayette).” One key point in that which I completely buy is that one key difference between the left and right (and centrism too) is the distinction between historicizing and naturalizing. Leftists go, what are the material and historical conditions and forces that led to this thing. The right goes, this is how people are and it;s just how things work. I think he starts that bit at about 9:10 in.
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Yup. There’s a similar dynamic in Court. Prosecutors/Cops/Judges tend to Naturalize, and public-defender-types tend to Historicize.
Cop/Prosecutor: “Defendant is lazy, bad, evil…”
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wvParticipantDays to the November Election:https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/election?p0=263&iso=20201103T00&msg=2020%20US%20Presidential%20Election
102 Days, and counting.
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