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wvParticipantAt the 10:30 mark: “Every institution we trust, Lies to us.”
Yes.
And that explains a lot. That…is…a….corporotacracy. It Lies.
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wvParticipantwatched the whole thing and dude’s the GOAT.
Bottom line, he’s killing it, speaking truth unapologetically.
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Dave created a little stir in some places, apparently;
wvParticipantVery true. The FBI tried to cause and exacerbate as many fissures on the left as they could.
Having said that, all thru american-history, the various leftist groups, have done a SUPERB job of wrecking any chance of big-left-solidarity. Get ten leftists in a room, and in two months eleven separate groups will form. And the eleven groups will spend more time hating on other leftist groups than in fighting the system.
Leftists. Sigh.
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wvParticipantJimmy Dore…goes off. “you mouth-breathing piece of shit, maniac…”
wvParticipant“Great! Louisville Passes Law to Ban No-Knock Warrants. Now Can We Have the Same for Afghanistan? And stop droning people based on metadata”
Marko MarjanovićJune 11, 2020 at 10:32 pm in reply to: Police v. Demonstrators Protesting Killing of George Floyd #116258
wvParticipantHey, WV,
I posted two articles about Seattle and Trump’s response earlier, in your thread What do we think, etc. etc.
Trump is committing political suicide, luckily for the world, with his insane, fascistic support for police brutality, for using the military to attack Americans in the streets, and he just recently showed his support for the Confederacy by saying he won’t allow the renaming of military bases, etc.
In my lifetime, we’ve never had such a despicable human being in the White House, and we’ve had some doozies.
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Part of me agrees with all that. And part of me thinks we are all living out some kind of Twilight Zone episode.
If its a twilight zone episode, hard to tell how it all ends up.
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vJune 11, 2020 at 8:22 pm in reply to: Police v. Demonstrators Protesting Killing of George Floyd #116252
wvParticipantseattle:https://www.democracynow.org/2020/6/11/seattle_activists_create_autonomous_zone_near
Seattle Activists Create Autonomous Zone Near Abandoned Police Precinct After Days of State Violence
Web Exclusive, June 11, 2020Transcript
This is a rush transcript. Copy may not be in its final form.AMY GOODMAN: This is_Democracy Now!_, democracynow.org, The Quarantine Report. I’m Amy Goodman, with Nermeen Shaikh. Protesters in Seattle, Washington, have taken over several city blocks after a protracted standoff with the police force there, shutting down a police precinct, declaring part of the city’s Capitol Hill neighborhood as an autonomous zone, Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone, or CHAZ. A banner on the perimeter of the area reads, “This space is now property of the Seattle people.” Activists took the area after a week of rising tension over the police killing of George Floyd, as police responded with tear gas and force, prompting calls for the resignation of Seattle Mayor Jenny Durkan.
Citizen journalist Omari Salisbury live-streamed Seattle police using pepper spray, tear gas and flashbang grenades on demonstrators and reporters, like himself.
OMARI SALISBURY: There’s the spray. There’s the spray. There’s the spray. Now you saw them now. It’s on. East Precinct, they’re losing control. State police are trying to open the barricade. They’re putting the pepper spray in the air. Share the street! Share the street! Share the street! Share the street! This [bleep]! God [bleep], they got me! You [bleep]!
AMY GOODMAN: Facing mounting criticism for its militarized response, the Seattle Police Department abandoned its Capitol Hill precinct this week.
Last night, President Trump tweeted, quote, “Radical Left Governor @JayInslee and the Mayor of Seattle are being taunted and played at a level that our great Country has never seen before. Take back your city NOW. If you don’t do it, I will. This is not a game. These ugly Anarchists must be stooped IMMEDIATELY. MOVE FAST!” President Trump tweeted, then said, “Domestic Terrorists have taken over Seattle, run by Radical Left Democrats, of course. LAW & ORDER!” Trump tweeted.
The Seattle mayor, Jenny Durkan, responded by tweeting, quote, “Make us all safe. Go back to your bunker. #BlackLivesMatter.” Congressmember Pramila Jayapal tweeted, “Don’t you have a bunker to be in?” She was referencing Trump’s visit to the White House underground bunker when mass protests first broke out in late May. Trump has insisted he went to the bunker for an inspection, a claim his own attorney general contradicts. William Barr has said the move was to protect Trump from the protesters.
Well, for more, we’re going to Seattle to speak with Omari Salisbury, who’s been covering the protests in Seattle since they started, on Twitter and for his website, Converge Media….see link
wvParticipantI know you said you have no words. But I would be interested in your take on Bannon and the interview.
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Well, he’s Sauron. Brilliant, Evil, Dangerous. He and Trump will zero in on Biden’s weaknesses: ‘globalization’ and ‘corruption.’ Ie, selling out the working people of America.
And it will play well. Because its mostly true.
But I will be surprised if it plays well enough. I cant see it working as well this time. I just dont think ANY President would survive the Corona-Virus-Economic-Depression/Racial-Uprising. I cant see Trump pulling this out.
But if anyone can, in this Corporate-Idiocracy, its Trump.
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vWhat’s mostly true? Linking Floyd’s death to the CCP? Where he says whether SARS-CoV-2 “comes from a lab or a biological weapons program“? It came from neither.
He starts with a tiny seed of truth but that grows into a giant, tangled, thicket of unsubstantiated conspiracy lunacy.
That’s not to say he can’t get a lot of people to believe it, cuz he can and will. I know people who think there’s a Chinese listening device behind every rock.
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Nah, none of THAT stuff is true. I said his take on ‘corrpuption’ and ‘globalization’ is mostly-true. Biden sold out the American Working people. Like Clinton. Like Obama. (and of course, like the republicans)
I think those two things will indeed play well, with a LOT of the public — Biden’s Corruption.
Biden’s Globalization-Mentality (NAFTA).But i think Trump’s star is falling. God Willing.
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wvParticipantI replied but it got obliviated.
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To be honest I am surprised that my friends in this thread don’t see the good news part, which is that we have had sustained, huge, widespread protests against police brutality for the first time…well since I can even remember. That means, among other things, that a majority believe the Floyd killing points to systemic racism. 4 years ago the majority did NOT believe things like that….
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Well, Mack sees it the way you do, i think.
I’m too far gone.
I think every city will have a different outcome. In some cities there will be some significant changes, concerning the police and race. In other cities, there will be talk, and virtue-signaling, but no real change.
I’m pleased there will be some measure of change,
in some places,
concerning race.There will be no significant change concerning class. Which is the big killer. Imperialism is a reflection of the Capitalist-Class-system. So black and brown people will continue to be droned-to-death every week by mass-murdering-Presidents of both mass-murdering-corporate-parties. There will be no mass protests about Imperialism. Etc, etc, and so forth.
I’m too far gone.
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“He who despairs of the human condition is a coward, but he who has hope for it is a fool.”
— Albert Camus
wvParticipantI know you said you have no words. But I would be interested in your take on Bannon and the interview.
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Well, he’s Sauron. Brilliant, Evil, Dangerous. He and Trump will zero in on Biden’s weaknesses: ‘globalization’ and ‘corruption.’ Ie, selling out the working people of America.
And it will play well. Because its mostly true.
But I will be surprised if it plays well enough. I cant see it working as well this time. I just dont think ANY President would survive the Corona-Virus-Economic-Depression/Racial-Uprising. I cant see Trump pulling this out.
But if anyone can, in this Corporate-Idiocracy, its Trump.
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wvParticipant‘cops’ tv-show cancelled.
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wvParticipantIts a long interview, but at least read this part. I have no words.
“…It’s already started to raise the issues of the concentration of wealth that we saw happen after President [Barack] Obama’s solution to the 2008 financial crisis. We may have had this turbocharged in this [situation]. So these issues preceded Mr Floyd’s murder.
And I would actually argue that many of the aspects of Mr Floyd’s murder are driven also by the CCP [Communist Party of China]. Think about it. Mr Floyd was murdered by these police officers. However, we now know from the autopsy he had Covid-19, which came from the CCP. Whether it came from a lab or part of a biological weapons program is beside the point.
We know that they didn’t take the actions they should have taken back in December when they knew about this. So Mr Floyd had Covid-19. He also had fentanyl in his system. Fentanyl is the drug the CCP is pushing through the cartels up to the upper Midwest, particularly all those areas where, guess what, all the manufacturing jobs are gone. Mr Floyd never had access to a great manufacturing job.
The last thing is that Mr Floyd was called upon because he appeared to be inadvertently passing a phoney $20 bill. If it turns out the CCP, they just captured on the Canadian border back in January, $900,000n. Now, they weren’t 20s but they were counterfeit currency.
ATFSo the converging forces of Asia led to Mr Floyd’s current situation, his life, that he was sick. He had drugs in his system. He didn’t have a great job. And he was passing counterfeit money. All four of those come from Beijing, essentially…”
wvParticipantFinland.
wvParticipantSeems to me, Adolph Reed is just pointing to the idea that there’s two layers of ‘reform’ we can ‘see’ (not see, if we have ideological blinders).
One layer has to do with all the changes in actual police polices, regulations, and discipline reforms that liberals want to see.
The deeper layer though, has to do with Class. Ie, this is more than an ‘police’ problem its a Capitalism Problem. The police are just the tool, Capitalism uses to protect wealthy-privilege, etc. I think Reed is just saying, if we just focus on race, we are always going to be dealing with layer1 and not layer2.
Layer1 is very important, though. Layer2 — the invisible layer — is unlikely to be dealt with.w
vJune 11, 2020 at 8:27 am in reply to: Police v. Demonstrators Protesting Killing of George Floyd #116198
wvParticipantNYT:https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/10/arts/television/protests-fictional-cops.html
Critic’s Notebook
The Protests Come for ‘Paw Patrol’A backlash is mounting against depictions of “good cops,” on television and in the street.
It was only a matter of time before the protests came for “Paw Patrol.”
“Paw Patrol” is a children’s cartoon about a squad of canine helpers. It is basically a pretense for placing household pets in a variety of cool trucks. The team includes Marshall, a firefighting Dalmatian; Rubble, a bulldog construction worker; and Chase, a German shepherd who is also a cop. In the world of “Paw Patrol,” Chase is drawn to be a very good boy who barks stuff like “Chase is on the case!” and “All in a police pup’s day!” as he rescues kittens in his tricked-out S.U.V.
But last week, when the show’s official Twitter account put out a bland call for “Black voices to be heard,” commenters came after Chase. “Euthanize the police dog,” they said. “Defund the paw patrol.” “All dogs go to heaven, except the class traitors in the Paw Patrol.”
It’s a joke, but it’s also not. As the protests against racist police violence enter their third week, the charges are mounting against fictional cops, too. Even big-hearted cartoon police dogs — or maybe especially big-hearted cartoon police dogs — are on notice. The effort to publicize police brutality also means banishing the good-cop archetype, which reigns on both television and in viral videos of the protests themselves. “Paw Patrol” seems harmless enough, and that’s the point: The movement rests on understanding that cops do plenty of harm.
The protests arrived in the midst of a pandemic that has alienated Americans from their social ties, family lives and workplaces. New and intense relationships with content have filled the gap, and now our quarantine consumptions are being reviewed with an urgently political eye. The reckoning has come for newspapers, food magazines, Bravo reality shows and police procedurals.
Last week, Tom Scharpling, an executive producer of “Monk,” criticized his own show on Twitter: “If you — as I have — worked on a TV show or movie in which police are portrayed as lovable goofballs, you have contributed to the larger acceptance that cops are implicitly the good guys.” Griffin Newman, an actor who appeared in two episodes of “Blue Bloods” as a detective, donated his $11,000 in earnings to a bail fund, inspiring other actors who have played cops to do the same. LEGO has halted marketing on its “LEGO City Police Station” and “Police Highway Arrest” sets. A&E has pulled its reality show “Live PD” from the schedule. On Tuesday night, “Cops,” the show that branded suspects as “bad boys” and spawned the whole genre of crime reality television, was canceled after 32 seasons.
Cops are not just television stars; they are television’s biggest stars. Crime shows are TV’s most popular genre, now making up more than 60 percent of prime-time drama programming on the big four broadcast networks. The tropes of the genre are so predictable that a whole workplace sitcom, “Brooklyn Nine-Nine,” is layered atop them. “A police station was a shortcut,” Dan Goor, the show’s co-creator, has said, “because people are very aware of how police television works. You know instantly who the good guys are and who the bad guys are.”
That shortcut now feels like a cheat: After images of a very special episode where Terry Crews is racially profiled were passed around as evidence of responsible police TV, others marked the show as “copaganda.”
Even on television, the good guys are not always so good. In a recent report, the racial justice organization Color of Change assessed depictions of the police across television and found that modern cop shows “make heroes out of people who violate our rights.” Many of them, it argued, show the good guys committing more violations than the bad guys, making police misbehavior feel “relatable, forgivable, acceptable and ultimately good.”
On television, the hero itself is a concept under review. Just a few years ago, at the height of the antihero craze, a prestige drama could seem a little fluffy if its protagonist was not an actual murderer. There is an artistic justification for humanizing bad people and complicating good ones. It’s hard to argue that a show like “Watchmen” (in which a black policewoman brutally beats suspected white supremacist terrorists) or “Unbelievable” (in which two female detectives repeatedly collar the wrong guys) would make for better television if their star cops acted more like German shepherd puppies.
After Inkoo Kang, a critic for The Hollywood Reporter, described “The Wire” as painting police with a “heroic gloss,” Wendell Pierce, who played Detective Bunk Moreland on the show, pushed back. “How can anyone watch ‘The Wire’ and the dysfunction of the police & the war on drugs and say that we were depicted as heroic,” he tweeted. “We demonstrated moral ambiguities and the pathology that leads to the abuses.”
The more salient critique of the crime genre is not how it depicts the police, but just how obsessively it privileges their ambiguities and pathologies over all other players in the criminal justice system — namely, the people cops target as suspects. “As TV viewers we are locked inside a police perspective,” Kathryn VanArendonk wrote recently on Vulture. Color of Change notes that defense attorneys, like Perry Mason and Matlock, “once embodied the character of the American hero,” defending the American people “against the many police officers, prosecutors and judges who jumped to conclusions too quickly and stood as symbols of a deeply flawed system.”
But a sea change led by Dick Wolf’s mammoth “Law & Order” franchise has realigned the crime genre under the perspective of prosecutors and cops. “Our sympathies have generally been with victims,” Warren Leight, the showrunner of “Law & Order: SVU,” said last week on the Hollywood Reporter podcast “TV’s Top 5,” in a conversation about rethinking the show. He added: “Cops behaving illegally, that’s not part of Dick’s brand.”
Cops and Hollywood enjoy a symbiotic relationship, as Alyssa Rosenberg detailed in a Washington Post series in 2016 on policing in popular culture. Cops consult on movies and series, helping mold the characters to their self-conception, and then they take cues from those characters in their own police work.Police officers in Detroit have been spotted wearing the skull insignia of the Marvel antihero the Punisher, and squads in Minnesota have watched Disney’s “Zootopia” as part of their anti-bias training. “LAW & ORDER” has become President Trump’s preferred call-to-arms as the government dispatches police forces and National Guard soldiers against the protesters.
…see link
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wvParticipantAgainst the Grain has some nice podcasts sometimes:https://www.facebook.com/Against-the-Grain-Radio-194529027376
wvParticipantHas Kronky said a word? Has any ‘owner’?
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June 10, 2020 at 7:39 pm in reply to: the one-shot tweets thread (diff'rent stuff, funny angry interesting) #116173
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wvParticipantHow about the cops just take a knee for a few minutes, and promise that they will be more careful in the future?
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How bout Jared Goff taking a knee, more often this year.
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wvParticipantWe’re one news cycle away from Fox News labeling Elmo’s dad an Antifa terrorist https://t.co/vSr6ORnLQ3
— David Sirota (@davidsirota) June 10, 2020
wvParticipantA biker gang brutally beat these protesters in Philly today. pic.twitter.com/r1TzXrOpNW
— Morgan J. Freeman (@mjfree) June 5, 2020
wvParticipantOR, at least it would be a good discipline level. If a cop has complaints against him but they are not big-complaints, he has to wear a body-cam. Like a form of probation. Just a thot.
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wvParticipantMaybe there should be a law that sez, No-Body-Cam, No Arrest. Ya know.
Take the money the police use on tanks and bazookas and shit,
and invest in body-cams, and make it a requirement for an arrest — everything has to be on camera or its an invalid arrest.w
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wvParticipantWell, of course, this possibility jumped straight to mind when it was revealed that they knew each other, and worked together. Any proof of friction between them, and I would think that would not go well for Chauvin in court.
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It would be interesting to know more about the video, or videos. Why is the whole-entire incident not shown, from beginning to end? And what exactly was going on in the car? And how did he go from the car to on the ground exactly? Maybe i just havent seen the whole video, I dunno.
But if there’s ‘gaps’, the cop is going to argue Floyd was ‘resisting’ of course.
And did the cop know he was on camera? Who had the camera?
Third degree is a slam-dunk, but the battle will be over what exactly was in this cops mind. Oh, and good luck picking a Jury. Who is going to be open-minded on this thing.
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wvParticipantI listened to this a couple of days ago while doing yardwork. I need more podcasts to listen to. I just listened to 1619 last week. All six episodes combined are probably shorter than one Rogan. I also re-listened to the Graham Hancock Rogan podcast which is very interesting. They should use that underground digital imaging thingie in the Amazon that you mentioned in the Italy post.
I need more podcasts. Give me recommendations.
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Well, I’m all about plants this summer. Plant Lives Matter.
I got nuthin else.
But if i think of somethin, I’ll pass it on.w
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wvParticipantstatues:https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/opendemocracyuk/colston-has-fallen-whos-next/?
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Colston has fallen. Who’s next?The UK has honoured many slavers, plunderers and perpetrators of massacres. Here’s a list of some more candidates for de-plinthing.
ritish history is a story of empire, slavery and plunder. And so it’s not surprising that the statues, street names and buildings in our cities so often commemorate slavers, plunderers and the genocidal.
This weekend, a statue of the slaver Edward Colston in the centre of Bristol was pulled down and thrown into the harbour, symbolically reflecting the thousands of people thrown into the sea from his slave ships when they got sick on the crossing from their kidnap in Africa.
The statue of Colston, though, isn’t unique, or even unusual. Across the UK, many of our most famous buildings, streets and monuments are named after people deeply implicated in the worst crimes of empire. Here is a small sample of some of the most controversial memorials – please add more, from the UK and beyond, in the comments below.
Edinburgh: Henry Dundas….see link
wvParticipantStatue of slave owner Robert Milligan brought down in east London
9 June 2020
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