I agree with your points ZN but only to a degree.

In point 2 you state the O-line being bad is a myth and I completely disagree with that.

Yep…Keenum is better at reads and adjustments than Goff….and also Keenum, at one point, was among the league leaders at time to get rid of the football. That tells me everything was quick drops and quick reads with a priority at getting rid of the football.

We knew Goff was gonna be behind Keenum in reads and he would be confused by the D more easily than the experienced Keenum…no surprise there.

The O-line was continually pushed back…kinda why they passed on 3rd and 2 and kinda why TG is near the lead as far as getting hit in the backfield….they had no shot to get the push to enable the RB to get the 1st down. No sense in running a play action pass, it wouldn’t fool anyone in the stadium…the line just could not get it done and is the single most important upgrade required going in to next year, IMO.

joemad wrote:

Harbaugh is very good.

I believe H knows football and can put a decent product on the field….I just think he has a personality disorder that wouldn’t go over in SO Cal.

Gruden has been in the media for a while now and has built relationships with the guys on the other side of the mic…I think he would have a much longer leash with them.

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zn wrote:

That’s not a dream it’s a nightmare.

2 headstrong assholes famous for being tyrannical at work with no people skills

Stay out of my dreams Freddy Krueger.

InvaderRam wrote:

i know people want a big name, but i want mcdaniels. i think he’d be different than the guy who coached denver.

Didn’t Kroenke read BB’s book? I’m pretty confident they’ll at least check on his interest.

I talked with another poster based in New England and he said the reports he’s getting up there are Patricia will be gone to be HC but they want to hang on to McDaniels to take over when BB retires.

zn wrote:

That may be true. It may not

Turns out it was true.

Thanks for posting this…didn’t get to see the game, so I enjoyed the hi-lites.

Just from that I saw a few things, maybe you guys can help if I what I saw was what played out the entire game.

1) Hav just could not handle Beasley on that outside speed rush. He needed to have a TE help with a chip and I didn’t see him getting any help.

2) It seemed every time, with the exception of the bomb that nobody covered the receiver, the Falcons went for a TD it was against Jordan…was Ryan picking on Jordan? Looked like he had decent PFF number 69 something.

3) Gurley had some words with Goff and Weinke

4) When Goff ran the ball in and was crushed, it looked to me like 84 Hemmingway? was streaking across the middle still in his route. If he had known what was going on, and I get it was an option, then he could have blocked the guy that crushed Goff. Was it a 3 way option? possible but not likely IMO.

PA Ram wrote:

It’s not surprising that his players would come out strong for him. He brought most of them here. They’re HIS guys. And I will say one thing about Fisher: players seem to like him. He really does seem to be a player’s coach. I don’t see him as a guy who players turn on–even if things are going bad. I believe they genuinely do like him. And that’s a very positive thing.

You WANT that.

I think that’s a plus for Fisher.

But at the end of the day–if those same players do not perform–it doesn’t matter. They aren’t prepared to play. That’s the bigger issue. No amount of love for the coach matters if it doesn’t translate to wins on Sunday. We see the same things over and over. And I am sure Fisher brings up penalties, and mistakes all the time with these guys. What coach wouldn’t? Maybe it’s the players themselves–just unable to focus. If that’s the case –it’s still on Fisher. They are his guys. Him and Snead.

They own all of it. The whole package.

So player respect and love is a good thing. But it has to lead to wins.

That’s a good post and I agree with all of it.

zn wrote:

sanbagger wrote:

The team is going through the motions. That’s usually an indicator a coach is on his last legs.

I see them defending the coaches. I took that remark about “the motions” as being aimed at the players. I didn’t read into it anything other than TG being frustrated and asking players to step up. I also didn;t see anything on the field that indicates players quitting. I did see that with Linehan so it’s easy to spot when it’s happening.

Another article on this:

link: http://theramshuddle.com/topic/rams-players-stand-behind-embattled-coach-jeff-fisher/

Couldn’t that be considered another example of going through the motions?

I didn’t watch the game, just kept up with the Huddle chat, so I can’t say I watched guys mailing it in, but I’ll say this…the best part of my day/night was the Lambchops I put on the grill.

I like the positivity Zn…usually that’s something I try and do, find something to hang your hat on.

IDK…I have this feeling that what TG was saying is true. The team is going through the motions. That’s usually an indicator a coach is on his last legs. I have been a firm believer that Fish was coming back next year, but now with 2 weeks in a row playing the other teams back-ups in the 4th quarter has me thinkin, maybe I have been wrong about that.

One thing I am certain about though…is this team is deserving of the 32nd offensive ranking.

zn wrote:

How many Recordites does it take to change a lightbulb?
I don’t know what’s the tally so far?

How many Contextistas does it take to change a lightbulb?
Well describe the situation

Now that was pretty funny..Kudos

Zooey wrote:

I will say the article has more of a tone of legitimacy than some of its predecessors this week, but I remain skeptical of this

Yea…I tend to agree with that.

It seemed to me Fisher was also throwing himself and the scouts on the sword along with Snead.

When Fisher took over in STL one of things I noticed was he cut back the freedom the local reporters had around the team. That offended the writers in the area IMO. I would suspect he has limited the reporters in Cali just like he did in STL so now we see things like “sources” when for the last 5 years I haven’t read too many sources out of Fishers camp.

I do think Fisher is feeling a little heat though.

Agamemnon wrote:

I don’t think it is about Fisher anymore. I think it is about Goff

I have been squarely in this corner up until just recently…now I’m wavering a little. The fact that the Rams didn’t release the Fisher extension and then it mysteriously is leaked and then Demoff gives him far less than an endorsement is talking to me.

I don’t think I’m swayed yet that he’s getting a severance, but it has my attention.

As you say Ag, I think it’s more about Goff than it is about the head coach. I like Weinke and Groh and believe those guys are a good nucleus to help Goff. Just going from Pre-season to now, he is miles from where he started. Boras is a different animal in my opinion…I want him replaced.

What I want….IF Fisher is retained he absolutely needs a new established OC like Turner, but it doesn’t have to be him. I do not want another year of Fisher and Boras.

If Fisher is fired I’ll hold out and see what coaches are making it known they are available and discuss my wishes then.

zn wrote:

sanbagger wrote:

Starters not getting it done
GRob

Though, interestingly…not last game. Last game he graded out as their best offensive player.

Yea, I thought about mentioning that but decided not to because it could be the DE he was matched up with isn’t that good. Sheard has 3 1/2 sacks all year and I feel GRob struggles with the speed guys.

I’m hoping he shows up again this week matched up against Jackson who has 0 sacks this season and 9 for his career…so hopefully he posts another 70+ rating.

nittany ram wrote:

Yeah I was pretty happy with the way the defense played against the Pats sans that 43 yd TD run on 4th and 1.

Yah…that was brutal, but if I had a complaint I would say it appeared the run was open to the outside the entire game. I would love to know if that was a scripted play…run up the middle to get everybody to crash then kick it back outside…it sure seemed like it was a planned play.

The Rams need to tighten up the run D and get Mo to figure out he’s not ice skating that he is supposed to at least try and tackle one on one then that D can be pretty strong.

I will say, I wanted to see more blitzing, but then I think I say that every week…so, maybe I don’t have a clue.

zn wrote:

sanbagger wrote:

I think Goff has a decent game against a suspect Pats D but it won’t be enough.

Pats – 27
Rams – 19

Zooey wrote:

Okay, well, if you hate the Rams so much, why don’t you just move to Seattle?

Or North Korea.

Just got back from North Korea via Seattle, looking at dwellings when I noticed I wasn’t too far off.

Actual score

Pats – 26
Rams – 10