Ozoneranger wrote:

one overthrown, the other rocketed too hard to Kendricks-

I’m not surprised by the overthrow…he has had more than 1 of those this year.

I am surprised by your too hard comment. I don’t think that pass was too hard…it should have been caught and completely changed the dynamic of the down the stretch offense.

I’ve watched that replay about 3 times and he just flat misses it….that is not on CK and all on Kendricks IMO.

Zooey wrote:

Looks like 75% of the offensive plays today were passes.

12 carries for Gurley.

Unless somebody can convince me otherwise, I am inclined to suspect Boras. I mean…everything else is the same or better on offense, but their performance is worse.

15 and 14 carries the 2 games prior.

TG has only had 2 games this year were he eclipsed the 20 carry barrier.

The last 3 games he has been averaging 4 yards a clip. I use 4 yards average as a baseline, so I would say he is doing OK just not breaking those long runs…or explosive plays….that he did last year.

Boras just hasn’t committed to the run game in his play calling.

If Fish said before the season started that the plan was to throw it 50 times a game and run it 15 I think we would all have been thinking that didn’t sound like a good plan.

• This reply was modified 8 years, 1 month ago by sanbagger.

That’s a good breakdown. Thanks for posting the article, I enjoyed the read.

I think they play a cleaner game with the 2 weeks off. The guys coming off the trainers table help and they finally get to the QB a few times.

CK cleans up his INT roll he was on and has a mistake free game.

Carolina feels sorry for themselves and spends their time whining to the refs about the mean Rams and don’t focus on winning.

Rams 26-13

I’m in San Diego on business so I either watch whats on the TV here or head to the sports bar. MTL me and a buddy will head over to the bar…he’s a Steelers fan so he’ll be interested in that.

I think I’ll be interested in the team that I think has the best chance to beat the odds.

Thanks for bringing this up because it just reminded me I have to get my survivor pick in. Week 8 still alive, not bad. Started with 55 down to 12 at 25 a pop.

I don’t think so….but really, that’s a good call.

When I first read the title to the thread I started wondering who was tradeable and had a hard time coming up with a name. I think Benny does hold some value and is relatively cheap….so, if anyone could be traded Benny would be a viable candidate.

I was always the kid that loved all of his toys, and well, your toys as well…so, I don’t want them to trade Benny.

Zooey wrote:

nittany ram wrote:

The only thing about Goff that bothered me from Hard Knocks was that he didn’t seem very bright and I’m not talking only about sunrisegate. But what may appear as a lack of intelligence might actually be a lack of maturity.

Besides, he doesn’t have to be smart to excel at QB. See Bradshaw, Marino, Montana, etc….

Ditto on that. It wasn’t just sunrisegate. There were candid moments of his interactions with other players where he just made comments that did not shine. I can’t remember the specific topics. But I got a sense that he didn’t absorb much knowledge at Cal, and Cal is a school where it would be hard not to, unless you are bored by anything complicated.

Also correct on Bradshaw, Marino, and Montana.

I don’t know how “smart” one has to be to play QB. As you know, there are multiple kinds of intelligence, and Bradshaw and Montana are downright dopey when it comes to the conventional concept. But isn’t playing QB a lot like playing computer games? I mean, ya gotta know the playbook, and read defenses. Reading defenses would seem to be the most difficult part of the job, really, because knowing the plays is a matter of rote knowledge. So…reading defenses. Which is what Jason Cole says he is currently deficient in. But that strikes me as a computer game skill, and lots of dopey people are great at computer games.

Okay. Now that I’ve just patronized everybody, I’m going to go grade some dopey essays.

I would say the hardest part about playing QB at the NFL level is processing info correctly and doing it quickly.

They made it to the NFL so they have talent….the processing is what sets them apart IMO.

So…of the 4 INT’s it appears that 2 of them are due to miscommunication between QB and WR…am I wrong?

These are the types of things seen when a new system is still being installed.

I think Groh was basically handed the keys to the passing game and the guys are still adjusting….7 weeks in things should start coming together and they are.

If you look at the passing game from week 1 till now I would think you couldn’t disagree that it is night and day.

That said…The little things like subtle signals or who is primary on this route can still be missed.

zn wrote:

sanbagger wrote:

CK has been a big culprit but TG has dropped it c acouple of times and TA gave the D a tip drill INT so…it’s been a team thing with CK leading the pack.

To me this is still the running game. CK is not supposed to be leading a passing attack. He is supposed to be game managing a running offense combined with a tough defense.

If CK were starter material born to lead passing attacks for a run-less team with up and down defense, then, he would already be someone else’s starter before this.

He’s supposed to be a good game manager plus intangibles. We know he’s not clutch enough (though he has done it a couple of times) and so we know he can’t win shoot-outs. But then they weren’t supposed to be IN shoot-outs.

CK as a game manager on a running team would be more than just fine IMO…it would be enough to win, a lot.

So I hope they fix the run game somehow during the bye.

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Well said…I agree with all of that.

Part of being a game manager is limiting mistakes…he has to be better with his decision making IMO.

I still look at all the games this year and they have been in every one of them except the niner game…this team is close and still not firing on all cylinders…tells me they are underperforming.

I love pie time…always have to save room for some pie.

Think I’ll have some pumpkin with whipped cream

maybe I’ll have the chocolate pudding…

or the Apple ala mode

or….1 of each.

zn wrote:

sanbagger wrote:

Quick has been having a great year and was lights out against the Giants, sans what he’s being accused of. You don’t bench a guy that is actually helping your team. Quick is a handful for the defenders and is actually catching the ball.

Britt is on pace to have over 1,000 yards are you gonna replace a legit #1 receiver and keep a back-up QB on the field?

Tavon just signed a 40 Million dollar contract then you bench him? I don’t think so

Well he wasn’t serious about the benching talk. If you heard it, it was delivered as a toss-off remark. He was basically saying, I put more blame on the WRs, that game was not the qb’s fault.

And in fact all 3 guys you name mammothly F’ed up in that game. Tavon led to the pick 6, Britt dogged it on a route where he could have had a long TD, and Quick did not register the signal for the audible, leading him to run the wrong route and give the defense an easy pop-up INT instead of a possible TD.

They played well against Detroit then those three all acted like they had been enjoying london more than getting ready to play.

I would imagine if either Spruce or Cooper were ready you could bench any single one of them.

But again Fisher was not saying that in any serious way. It was, bench the qb? Naw I would bench one of the WRs for screwing up before benching the qb.

Fisher RARELY directly calls out a player in a press conference and in that one he called out both Britt and Quick.

And I agree with him.

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You mention 1 play in what 45-55 snaps for each of them? BTW, I only agree with TA Fed up. That miss really hurt the team and he has to haul those in.

I can’t speak on the Britt doggin it thing as I haven’t seen anything on it.

If Quick did miss the signal…well, it’s a new offense for the receivers and a new QB….sure he should catch the audible, but he isn’t the only guy in the world to miss one. Not enough to lose his job IMO and I don’t think he’s gonna.

I can mention a lot more than 1 play CK messed up on.

zn wrote:

InvaderRam wrote:

i am concerned however that fisher has lost the team somehow. when players are making dumb mistakes every week.

When Linehan lost the team, we knew it. There was no doubt. You could see things; things were said. This does not look like that and this does not sound like that.

Think who is making dumb mistakes. Britt? He has barely reached the stage where we could say his head was right…that’s new to him. Quick? We thought he had turned the corner but then turns out he just hesitated at the corner and looked the right direction.

I don’t think that’s fair to say about Quick at all…and Britt for that matter.

The receivers are having the best year they have had in years…same guys, what’s different?

I think the new “O by GroH” is having an effect and the receivers are actually getting a chance to catch it and not worry about getting blown up as soon as they catch it….that leads to higher reception rate and lower dropped passes rate.

The problem with the O is they still haven’t gotten (is that a word?) the running game on the tarmac let alone lift off. Why is that? I haven’t put my finger on it yet but mulling it over.

InvaderRam wrote:

keenum threw 43 passes in the fourth quarter against just 10 in the first three?

that’s just weird. the more and more i think about it goff should be starting.

him not starting means either.

fisher is dumb.

or.

goff looks that bad.

CK didn’t throw 43 passes in the 4th quarter and he didn’t throw 4 INT’s in the 4th quarter either.

I think the guy just penned his article a little confusing.

zn wrote:

Software malfunction won’t let me move threads right now. Yours gets precedence.

Lot of discussion of this on this and other boards.

I say three losses is enough…Keenum cant carry a team with (more) iffy (than it should be) defense and with a stalled running game. So might as well drop the rookie out of the helocopter into the atlantic and see if he can swim.

Will they? I think they will. Keenum didnt melt down like Davis then Foles, but, if you can’t win with him might as well get Goff going.

The Atlantic? Let’s at least drop him in the Pacific…give the kid a chance.

Thanks for the stat line.

I like to look those over and look forward to this post every week now.