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  • in reply to: GOT season 7 #7 #73387
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    I cant wait. In fact I think I’ll start my review a day ahead of time…..The producers screwed up by making fewer episodes; there wasnt enough character development in this last episode. It was all action. Though the final scene with the Pterodactyl and the time machine was interesting.

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    Dragons are cool.

    I have to say the GOT dragons are the best depictions of living dragons since St. George slew the last one towards the end of the Middle Ages. It was just a cub though.

    dd

    in reply to: from around the net, on the Chargers game #73353
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    Brown had a screw up too. But besides that I thought the offensive line played ok to good

    Yeah, I agree with that. The Chargers have great talent on both sides of the ball. Rivers made it look easy against what was essentially the second team defense. Goff and the Rams started off well against their first team defense but then the turnovers happened and the wheels came off.

    I hear the worry about Goff, and I understand it. Much of it is of the ridiculous “he’s a bust” variety (not here, of course). But we knew coming into the season that he wasn’t a finished product. He’s a QB from a spread offense who has a lot to learn about the NFL game. His development may have even been hampered by last year’s staff. I think he’s getting proper instruction now and his play through most of the preseason has been a reflection of that. He’s improved.

    But he’s still raw and will have his ups and downs. I just think we should have realistic expectations as far as he’s concerned. He’s going to have some bad games. When he does let’s not light the tiki torches and march on the Coliseum.

    in reply to: from around the net, on the Chargers game #73346
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    The sack is on Havenstein. But, still, Goff had right at 3 seconds to get rid of the ball or step up into a clean pocket and eliminate the sack altogether.

    Yeah, Goff’s eyes were focused downfield as they should be but he needs to develop that timer in his head that tells him to get rid of the ball.

    in reply to: Favorite book i read this summer #73294
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    I haven’t had time to read many books of late, but I did manage to squeeze in “Dark Places” by Gillian Flynn. She’s the author of “Gone Girl”. It’s a fun, suspenseful, summer read with a twist ending. I’ve been struggling with “Niceville” by Carston Stroud. There are so many characters that it’s hard to keep them straight, but the book is just compelling enough to make me want to see it through to the end.

    in reply to: AI weapons #73284
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    I think this Boston Dynamic robot tech is really cool. It’s amazing how it maintains its balance when kicked. It almost seems alive.

    It’s very easy to forget that it’s a weapon.

    Obviously there are all sorts of peaceful, scientific applications for this technology. But Boston Dynamics develops this stuff for DARPA, which invests in technology employed for national security. Boston Dynamics was purchased by Google, btw.

    in reply to: Pentagon-Bio-Secrets in Ukraine #73148
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    Could they be researching it? Sure. It wouldn’t surprise me if they were researching it.

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    Well it would totally surprise me if they WERENT researching it.

    I get the fact that there are a lot of science-challenges that
    would have to be overcome. But this is the CIA.
    CIA:http://www.toptenz.net/top-10-weirdest-cia-programs.php

    I’ve had my say, I’ll leave it there now. We’ll see if any info
    on this subject emerges in the future.

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    There are several possibilities…
    1. They are actively researching it.
    2. They have looked at before and decided it wasn’t feasible.
    3. They never developed an interest in it.
    4. All of their resources are being spent trying to contain the xenomorph the Apollo mission brought back from the moon.

    If I were to rank the above possibilities from most likely to least likely, it would go…
    2, 1, 4, 3.

    But this is all speculation. I don’t see any evidence supporting any position. The article was food for thought but didn’t provide any answers.

    in reply to: Pentagon-Bio-Secrets in Ukraine #73142
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    The problem with all this is that there are no genes that are population specific. The frequencies in which they appear can vary between populations, but none are exclusive to a certain population. Genetic variation is greater within a population than between them. So even if they developed a biological weapon targeted against a certain population, there would be potential for a lot of collateral damage among other groups that weren’t targeted. So to me, the risk of developing bio-weapons against genes in certain ethnic populations would be too risky, unless they weren’t worried about it moving through other populations with varying degrees of virulence.

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    And do you think ANY of that ‘collateral damage’ stuff would cause the CIA
    to stop researching it, Nittany?

    What do you think?

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    Could they be researching it? Sure. It wouldn’t surprise me if they were researching it. The issue with such a weapon would be containment and isolation. The target population would have to be isolated through strict travel bans. Basically quarantene the region. But even then the risk of it spreading to other populations would be high. So there are galactically huge problems that would have to be overcome for such a weapon to be used in the intended manner, which I assume would not be creating a global pandemic.

    Keep in mind the article provided no proof that this research was actually being done at any of these labs. It’s a pretty big leap from ‘Requesting sonovial fluid samples from Russians of European extraction’ to developing genetic bio-weapons.

    And the article does read like a scare piece. It mentioned the GM H5N1 bird flu virus developed in the Netherlands that could potentially spread from person to person through the air. But the article didn’t mention that it was developed amid a lot of controversy. There was no cover up. Nothing was hidden. The researchers were aware of the risk, but did so because the only way to develop controls against an airborne bird flu would be to create one. And given the ease in which it was created, it lends credence to the researcher’s contention that the wild virus would eventually make that transition itself anyway. The potential danger of it escaping the lab or of terrorists using their published work to create a bio-weapon is real although the likelihood of it happening is debatable. But it wasn’t part of some covert research project consistent with the theme of the article. So in that regard, I think the article is alarmist. It doesn’t back up its contentions with hard evidence – just speculation, albeit reasonable in some ways.

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    in reply to: Pentagon-Bio-Secrets in Ukraine #73131
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    The problem with all this is that there are no genes that are population specific. The frequencies in which they appear can vary between populations, but none are exclusive to a certain population. Genetic variation is greater within a population than between them. So even if they developed a biological weapon targeted against a certain population, there would be potential for a lot of collateral damage among other groups that weren’t targeted. So to me, the risk of developing bio-weapons against genes in certain ethnic populations would be too risky, unless they weren’t worried about it moving through other populations with varying degrees of virulence.

    in reply to: GOT 7 ep. 6 #73033
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    You know what the best part of the last episode was for me — It was the simple, matter of fact, sometimes humorous, Dialogues among the men who were on the quest beyond the wall. Before they met the Bear and things got all action-y.

    The humor between the Hound and the Red-haired-guy, talking about Brienne of Tarth. Good dialogue.
    The conversation between Jon and whatshisname about the sword — good dialogue.

    Etc.

    And i consider all that kind of thing ‘character development’. And thats what’s missing because of the decision to make fewer episodes. We miss out on THAT stuff, among other things.

    I tried to google the question of just WHY the powers that be, decided to have fewer episodes, but i cant really fine anything that makes much sense. All i found was some paragraphs out there that say the writers basically just wanted to wrap things up. Ah well.

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    I read somewhere that the actress who plays Daeneryis didn’t want her involvement with the show to extend beyond 8 seasons. Maybe some of the other actors are ready to move on as well. Not that that should have had an impact on the duration of the series. If there’s one show that isn’t afraid to kill off beloved characters, it’s this one.

    in reply to: GOT 7 ep. 6 #73005
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    Why is it a big deal to Daeneryis that Jon is all scarred up?

    ….

    My take? Jon downplayed the story that he was brought back from the dead. He said that was an exaggeration. The scars say otherwise.

    in reply to: Cowherd likes Goff and Rams #72997
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    Jason Whitlock is not a fan.

    In about 6 weeks Jason Whitlock will be scrambling for the last seat on the Rams Train to Titleville. First stop: Divisional round of the playoffs.

    in reply to: 9-11 the free-fall argument #72949
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    I cant post anymore. A dragon is dead.

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    Ummm, do a guy a solid and post a spoiler alert for a change.

    Not all of us can see GOT the night it airs.

    So, check your privilege, Councilor.

    in reply to: 9-11 the free-fall argument #72926
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    wv wrote:

    Zn trusts the ‘peer review’ system much more than i do. I cant tell how much of it has been tainted now by the Monsanto’s and mega-corpse.

    Well, the problems facing science usually do not involve covering up or altering information. At least not until Trump got control of the EPA, that is. The reason is that other labs are going to verify the claims. Independent corroboration. Science only works if results are reproducible. Remember the cold fusion fiasco? Other labs could not reproduce the results as reported in the original paper using the same equipment, materials, procedures, etc…which meant the original lab most likely didn’t get those results either.

    The issues facing science/peer review generally involve a lack of due diligence by the reviewers and journals that allow bad papers with dubious methods and results to get published. This is especially true in sociology and psychology. Part of this might involve “P hacking”, where the researcher consciously or unconsciously alters data to get the p value they want. Often, the p value researchers shoot for is 0.05, meaning if the study achieves a p value of 0.05 or less, then the results of the study are statistically significant. A common way to p-hack would be to collect data points until you get the p value of 0.05, then stop. But you can’t do this because what if the next data point had driven the p value above 0.05? It would be like playing a football game until the team you want to win is ahead and then stopping the game and declaring them the winner. Of course, the team that’s losing at the moment you stopped could have ultimately won the game had it been allowed to continue. That’s why you have to play the full 4 quarters. In science you have to use all the data you collect unless there is a valid reason not to, and you have to specify beforehand how many data points you will collect and what statistical measures you are going to use. You can’t change mid stream. To fix this, some have suggested that the accepted value of 0.05 should be lowered. Blinding the studies might help too.

    But, again, this is different than trying to cover up information, which is what I assume you were alluding to with the Monsanto reference. I don’t doubt Monsanto would cover up data if it suited them. Fortunately there are many other independent labs all over the world replicating these studies, so even if they did, they wouldn’t get away with it for very long.

    in reply to: from around the net: posts on the Oakland ps game #72920
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    “Goff didn’t show enough fire. He clearly isn’t able to lead the team. He just got lucky that this OL and WRs bailed him out tonight against a Raiders defense that wasn’t trying.”
    -Bernie Miklasz

    Did Bernie really say that?

    His last remaining ember of credibility just went out.

    Well I lazily assumed he did. Turns out the poster just made it up, though now that I see that, it was made up as a joke, not as an effort to deceive.

    I am going to edit that bit out of that post.

    ….

    Yeah, I thought that was way over the top, even for Bernie. And his top can be seen from the international space station.

    in reply to: from around the net: posts on the Oakland ps game #72902
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    “Goff didn’t show enough fire. He clearly isn’t able to lead the team. He just got lucky that this OL and WRs bailed him out tonight against a Raiders defense that wasn’t trying.”
    -Bernie Miklasz

    Did Bernie really say that?

    His last remaining ember of credibility just went out.

    in reply to: reactions to the Oakland game #72893
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    So, at this point is everyone pretty much in agreement that the Rams will host the NFC Championship game?

    in reply to: GOT, episode 5 #72709
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    I would advise people not to get pure-bred dragons either. Go to a shelter.

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    Yeah, Kaleesee makes dragon raising seem much easier than it actually is I bet. Beagles can be difficult too.

    in reply to: GOT, episode 5 #72702
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    We were talking at work and the possibility that the spear than Braan shot the dragon with was poisoned came up. It may be slow acting. One of my coworkers is big into the GOT universe and knows a lot about the characters from the book and the series. He says Qyburn knows a lot about poisons…

    Link: https://mic.com/articles/147226/how-qyburn-quietly-became-one-of-the-most-powerful-men-in-game-of-thrones#.NIPCy9sAO

    in reply to: car drives into counter-protestors in charlottesville #72623
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    I suppose, if there is any kind of ‘positive’ to all this violent-racism,
    its that at least its more in the open now.

    Maybe it will be easier for people to understand what minorities
    already know.

    Thats all i got.

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    I gotta think a lot of lifelong Republican grandpas are having real misgivings about what’s going on under Trump. I am looking forward to the next set of polling numbers.

    Overt fascism is not popular. I think a lot of people are okay with covert fascism, but the KKK is unpopular.

    Yeah, but as we found out, you can’t trust polls when it comes to Trump.

    Of all the Trump supporters I know, and I know quite a few, none of them have changed their opinion about him. With every heinous thing he says they just burrow in deeper. Now they are responding to the events in Charlottesville with ridiculous false equivalencies about BLM and Trump’s fabricated movement, the alt-left. If anything, they are more fervent in their support.

    in reply to: GOT, episode 5 #72563
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    Oh is that you diagnosis, Mr Dragon Doctor?

    AND — why wouldnt the spears have poison on the tips? Surely Ceirci would have thought of that.

    Well, the wound being superficial is borne out by Jamie’s telling Cerci that the ‘secret’ weapon was ineffective against the dragon.

    How do you know the spear tips aren’t poisoned? Maybe they got the dose wrong. They probably don’t know much about dragon physiology.

    And another thing — i think they are ruining the Tyrian character. I thought the writing for his big meeting with Jamie was really lame. Dinklage is a great actor and you could SEE him ‘acting’ during that scene, when he had to raise the issue of him being hated by his father because he was a dwarf — That scene seemed stilted to me, and Dinklage’s emotion seemed lame to me. I think Tyrian used to be a lot more interesting than he is now. I think the writers are failing in some significant ways.

    I agree. That scene where the Imp meets with Jamie should have had more impact. However, I think they did a nice job with the scene between Sansa and Arya…”You’re thinking it right now.”

    in reply to: GOT, episode 5 #72522
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    Same mantra — things move to fast, not enough development.

    And…i thought it was lame that Jamie and his buddy were able to get out of the river and escape capture. That place was crawling with Dothraki’s, and the just pop up out of the river and no-one is around?

    And what happened with the big spear that was stuck in the Dragon?
    Shouldnt there have been a scene where he got some medical treatment or somethin? He’s just all better now?

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    Yeah, I sorta agree. But I’ve resigned myself to the idea that things are going to feel rushed from here on out. There’s just so much left to do and so few episodes to do it. I’ve made peace with it. I suggest you do too.

    I also thought it was impossible that Jamie and his buddy could emerge from the water but somehow evade capture. Where did everybody go? They came out onto an empty beach where just moments before there were all sorts of people running around and an 80 foot dragon. They couldn’t have been under the water so long that everyone moved off. Then I noticed the smoke way in the distance – as if the battle took place on the other side of the lake. Which means they must have swam the length of the lake undetected. So, we’re left with too highly improbable choices – either Jamie and his buddy were able to hold their breath under water long enough for the dragon and the entire Dothraki army to move off, or they were able to swim across the lake undetected by several thousand Dothraki eyes and a dragon.

    The dragon being ok didn’t bother me. The wound was superficial.

    in reply to: Best search engines? (given the google-revelations) #72411
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    I don’t know much about it. Google always seemed much better than Bing, Yahoo, Safari, etc. I’d also like to hear about some other search engines given Googlegate.

    in reply to: Embryo gene-editing to eliminate genetic disease #72124
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    Designer babies highly unlikely….

    Link: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/04/science/gene-editing-embryos-designer-babies.html

    Gene Editing for ‘Designer Babies’?
    Highly Unlikely, Scientists Say
    Fears that embryo modification could allow parents to custom
    order a baby with Lin-Manuel Miranda’s imagination or
    Usain Bolt’s speed are closer to science fiction than science.

    By PAM BELLUCKAUG. 4, 2017

    Now that science is a big step closer to being able to fiddle with the genes of a human embryo, is it time to panic? Could embryo editing spiral out of control, allowing parents to custom-order a baby with Lin-Manuel Miranda’s imagination or Usain Bolt’s speed?

    News that an international team of scientists in Oregon had successfully modified the DNA of human embryos has renewed apprehensions that babies will one day be “designed.” But there are good reasons to think that these fears are closer to science fiction than they are to science.

    Here is what the researchers did: repair a single gene mutation on a single gene, a defect known to cause — by its lonesome — a serious, sometimes fatal, heart disease.

    Here is what science is highly unlikely to be able to do: genetically predestine a child’s Ivy League acceptance letter, front-load a kid with Stephen Colbert’s one-liners, or bake Beyonce’s vocal range into a baby.

    That’s because none of those talents arise from a single gene mutation, or even from an easily identifiable number of genes. Most human traits are nowhere near that simple.

    “Right now, we know nothing about genetic enhancement,” said Hank Greely, director of the Center for Law and the Biosciences at Stanford. “We’re never going to be able to say, honestly, ‘This embryo looks like a 1550 on the two-part SAT.’”

    Even with an apparently straightforward physical characteristic like height, genetic manipulation would be a tall order. Some scientists estimate height is influenced by as many as 93,000 genetic variations. A recent study identified 697 of them.

    Can Gene Editing Actually Do That?
    A new technique known as Crispr has revolutionized humans’ ability to edit DNA. See if you can identify whether a given development has already happened, could eventually happen or is pure fiction.

    “You might be able to do it with something like eye color,” said Robin Lovell-Badge, a professor of genetics and embryology at the Francis Crick Institute in London.

    But “if people are worried about designer babies, they’re normally thinking of doing special — different things than the normal genetic stuff.”

    The gene-modification process used in the new study also turns out to be somewhat restrictive. After researchers snipped the harmful mutation from the male gene, it copied the healthy sequence from that spot on the female gene.

    That was a surprise to the scientists, who had inserted a DNA template into the embryo, expecting the gene to copy that sequence into the snipped spot, as occurs with gene editing in other body cells. But the embryonic genome ignored that template, suggesting that to repair a mutation on one parent’s gene in an embryo, a healthy DNA sequence from the other parent is required.

    “If you can’t introduce a template, then you can’t do anything wild,” Dr. Lovell-Badge said. “This doesn’t really help you make designer babies.”

    Talents and traits aren’t the only thing that are genetically complex. So are most physical diseases and psychiatric disorders. The genetic message is not carried in a 140-character tweet — it resembles a shelf full of books with chapters, subsections and footnotes.

    So embryonic editing is unlikely to prevent most medical problems.

    But about 10,000 medical conditions are linked to specific mutations, including Huntington’s disease, cancers caused by BRCA genes, Tay-Sachs disease, cystic fibrosis, sickle cell anemia, and some cases of early-onset Alzheimer’s. Repairing the responsible mutations in theory could eradicate these diseases from the so-called germline, the genetic material passed from one generation to the next. No future family members would inherit them.

    A composite image showing the development of embryos after injection of a gene-correcting enzyme and sperm from a donor with a genetic mutation known to cause hypertrophic cardiomyopathy. Credit Oregon Health & Science University
    But testing editing approaches on each mutation will require scientists to find the right genetic signpost, often an RNA molecule, to guide the gene-snipping tool.

    In the study reported this week, it took 10 tries to find the right RNA, said Juan Carlos Izpisua Belmonte, a co-author and geneticist at the Salk Institute.

    Dr. Greely noted that while scientists work to get human embryonic editing ready for clinical trials (currently illegal in the United States and many countries), alternate medical treatments for these diseases might be developed. They may be simpler and cheaper.

    “How good one technique is depends on how good the alternatives are, and there may be alternatives,” he said.

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    in reply to: Game of thrones tonight is only 50 minutes #72099
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    Why did Sansa seem upset at seeing how proficient Arya was with the sword?

    Where did she learn it? Sansa has to wonder. And, there’s “the list.” Bran confirms the list is real.

    Last she saw Arya she was a little girl. Now she’s this spooky trained assassin who can beat Brienne one on one.

    It;s like you have a kid brother who was all innocence when you last saw him and he turns up years later with tattoos and a sports car, picks his teeth at lunch with a stilleto, and asks you if you like 9 MMs or regular 38s, then pulls out a fat roll of 100s to pay for lunch (“I’ll get this.”) When you complain about your mean district manager at work, he calmly lights a cigar and says “you know things like that can be fixed.”

    ..

    That’s along the lines of what I assumed. I saw Arya’s besting of Brienne, and I noted the permanent smirk that Little Finger wears, but then I turned away to address our dog and his squeaky toy so I missed Sansa’s reaction. My wife said something like, ‘wow, Sansa looked upset’. I said that she was probably just mourning Arya’s lost innocence but my wife thought she looked more angry than sad. Then she said she wondered if Sansa was worried about being upstaged by her little sister. My wife is convinced that Sansa will slip into the dark side. It’s residue from the first episode when Sansa told Little Finger that she learned a lot from Cerci.

    in reply to: Game of thrones tonight is only 50 minutes #72079
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    The reason the Lannisters and Tarleys didn’t look as good against the Dothraki is because they were in the process of moving.

    With the Dothraki horde bearing down on them the fact that the Lannister army didn’t turn and flee en masse when the dragon appeared over the horizon speaks well of them.

    Jamie is at the bottom of a lake wearing about 50 lbs of armor. I doubt his ultimate fate is to drown but it’s not like he had a chance to fill his lungs with air before he hit the water. And the lake seems conveniently deep considering he was knocked off his horse at the shore line.

    Why did Sansa seem upset at seeing how proficient Arya was with the sword?

    in reply to: Bernie – medicare for all campaign #71973
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    Only 33 percent. Think about that.

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    Yeah, that’s disappointing. I think polls have shown that if you describe to people what single payer is without mentioning the name, they want it by an overwhelming majority. But as soon as you mention the names “single payer”, “universal healthcare”, “socialized medicine”, etc, they lose all interest. Such is the continuing effectiveness of all that BS anti-communist propaganda that began 70 years ago or so.

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    I still don’t get all the resistance to the fact that Russia hacked the election. That ship has sailed. They did it. The entire intel community here believes they did it, and they never agree about anything. The GOP and Dems agree that Russia did it, and they, too, never agree about anything. Europe believes they did it here and in Europe. European intel has long said they’ve been hacking elections across the globe.

    Do we as well? Of course. America has been seriously interfering in elections around the globe at least since WWII. But it’s a strange and misguided step to go from “We do it too” to “They couldn’t have done it because, the Dems!” It makes zero sense to think that America and European governments would all conspire to present this united front, when it basically just amounts to what everyone has always known: The great powers have always played this game.

    And those of us with an Internet background have known how good the Russians are at this stuff for a long, long time. It’s accepted knowledge among IT professionals that the vast majority of cyber-attacks come from Russia and its former satellites.

    Again, I just don’t get the resistance to the obvious here.

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    Well for starters Sy Hersh didnt say Russia didnt hack ‘anything’. He was specifically addressing the DNC-wikileaks instance. Thats all he addressed.
    I personally dont know of anyone who thinks Russia didnt do some serious influencing/interfering/hacking/SOMETHING. We will never know exactly what they did and how much it affected the vote. All we will ever know is what the ‘intell community’ SAYS Russia did.

    And secondly, i wouldnt trust ‘anything‘ the ‘whole western Intell community’ said about ‘anything’. They are professional liars, BT. You know that. I mean how would YOU describe the CIA?

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    The thing is wv, for all of these intelligence agencies that compete with one another and in many cases hate one another to be espousing the same lie would require a huge conspiracy. Don’t you think that because all these disparate intelligence agencies are saying the same things it means there’s probably something to it?

    in reply to: Big moving news. Need Help! #71821
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    I live in Bennington, VT. The winters have been pretty mild over the last several years. Locals refer to this area as the Banana Republic because we never seem to get as much snow as the areas surrounding us. I have only needed to use my snowblower two or three times a winter. We did get about 18″ of snow during a storm last season but most of the big snowstorms of the last few winters have missed us to our south and east. I have a friend who lives in Boston and at one point two winters ago he had 65″ of snow in his front yard. We had none.

    The closest VA Hospital would be in Albany, NY which is about an hour drive from Bennington. We do have a VA outpatient clinic in town but I assume its services are extremely limited.

    in reply to: White sharks no longer Great #71796
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    How and why and when did Great White Sharks become White Sharks?
    What happened?

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    Nothing has changed. ‘White’ shark is just the shortened version of ‘great white shark’ and has been around for awhile. The names have always been used interchangeably.

    Other names for the white shark…
    White Pointer
    Blue Pointer
    White death

    in reply to: Still Unsure About Single-Payer Health Care? #71704
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    Link: https://www.facebook.com/senatorsanders/videos/10156196140087908/

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