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InvaderRamModeratoralso. if you look at brees’ stats after that year, he actually took a couple steps back before becoming a truly elite qb.
i wouldn’t be surprised to see goff take a couple steps back before he truly establishes himself. especially as mcvay puts more responsibility on him going forward.
we’ll see.
InvaderRamModeratorLos Angeles Rams quarterback Jared Goff, who threw for 28 touchdowns, was selected as the 2017 NFL Most Improved Player of the Year
some damn good players on that list.
2004 – drew brees
2007 – frank gore
2014 – le’veon bellthere’s others. but those three really stand out.
InvaderRamModerator“He has to keep studying and keep it going. But it’s only going to get him better,” said wide receiver Robert Woods. “For him to start off like that, with McVay and this new offense, and deliver as he did, I think it’s just a great start for his future.”
“Really just kind of understanding the intent of the play calls – where he can almost kind of predict some of the calls that are coming in based on the situation that he’s got so much ownership on,” McVay said. “Here’s our priority third down calls in this area, red zone, some of our priority first and second down calls.
“In a lot of instances, he’d probably be able to tell you guys that before the play has come in, he’s able to kind of predict that because we are so much on the same page, and I think that’s only going to continue to grow as we get more experienced together with our coaches and with Jared.”
He does some other things, but the word was they do the same things over and over but from different looks, ATL saw this and adjusted so they didn’t see a new formation or motion and expect a different route concept and they had our guys covered. Credit to the defense.
Goff goes into 2018 able to focus on the nuances of his mechanics and his offense- not learning the basics of them. That’s a big difference for him.
goff needs to keep pushing himself. mcvay will keep pushing him and he’ll expand the offense.
should be interesting to watch.
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January 16, 2018 at 7:41 pm in reply to: Lafleur to interview for Titans job…but they hire Vrabel #80295
InvaderRamModeratoryeah i was really wondering where the hell you went, ag. glad to see you’re doing better.
on lafleur. i really doubt it happens, but if it did, this would be a case where it’d be bad for all parties involved. for lafleur, the rams, and the titans. hope it doesn’t happen.
January 13, 2018 at 7:50 am in reply to: off-season…who goes, who stays, what positions should be drafted #80194
InvaderRamModeratorthey need to focus on defense this offseason. i question tagging watkins.
not sure if they actually have or not but his career production suggests they shouldn’t be doing that.
i’d try to sign him for a couple years for a lot less money.
let him walk if he doesn’t like it. spend all my cap space on trying to bring back my defensive players who actually have performed.
January 11, 2018 at 8:12 am in reply to: informal poll: what is your view of the Rams future after Atlanta? #80157
InvaderRamModeratori’m just excited to see how goff develops at this point.
he looked pretty annoyed at how the rams were knocked out. i’m fairly confident that he will go into this offseason determined to get even better.
just need a little luck now.
i’m looking for him to get even bigger physically and to just continue digesting the playbook. it’ll be a full offseason with the new offense and the skill position players in place.
and after thinking about it, i wouldn’t be disappointed if watkins was brought back. depending on how much they were willing to offer him.
January 9, 2018 at 9:48 pm in reply to: Official: Olson to Raiders…Rams promote his replacement from within #80117
InvaderRamModeratorglad the rams didn’t decide to not hire a qb coach.
goff although not the rams’ best player. he’s their most important player. hopefully, this’ll be a good partnership.
i saw on his bio that he coached ryan tannehill at miami.
looks like he made steady improvement under taylor with taylor also taking over playcalling duties in 2015 before he left.
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InvaderRamModeratorhey, ag! didya see the rams fall flat on their faces saturday night? be thankful if you didn’t.
hope you get better!
InvaderRamModeratorWatkins caught eight touchdowns, but outside of that statistic, he was underutilized. I don’t know why. Maybe not enough ball to go around to three good receivers, maybe Gurley was just too good to ignore, maybe Goff needs to improve his reads and be able to find him more often. I dunno. McVay’s offense in Washington included a very good TE. I would rather have a better TE in the starting lineup than Watkins. If we can afford both with re-signing Donald, Tru, Sullivan, and others, then great. If cap space becomes an issue, i would not re-sign Watkins.
yeah i’d rather the money be spent elsewhere. re-signing sully or another veteran center. trujo, joyner, and donald. depth on the defensive line.
there’s a lot of youth and potential at the offensive skill positions. higbee actually flashed a little at the end. still young. everett. i think thomas or reynolds can be a deep threat. kupp will get way way better than this year. i can feel it. and while he doesn’t do the same things watkins does, he can possibly free up the other receivers to fill that role.
watkins is a luxury. he didn’t show me enough to warrant giving out a big contract.
InvaderRamModeratori’m not a fan of drafting a left tackle to back up whitworth. not in the first round. if they want to pick one later to develop sure. not in the first round. too many other more pressing needs. whitworth should have one more year left in him.
Well, though, IR, as per my earlier post, there’s virtually no such thing as a starting caliber left OT taken after the 2nd round.
From 2006-2015, there have been 122 OTs drafted from round 3 on. Of those, 4 became good starters at LOT. There are others who made it in the NFL but those were all ROTs or OGs. 4 out of 122 is around 3.3%.
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that’s why i wait until next year to draft that left tackle. whitworth i think has one more good year in him. the only ones who really know for sure are the rams. but i’d let whitworth play one more year at least. then in 2019 draft a left tackle to groom. either for the 2019 season or let him learn behind whit for a year.
a left tackle this year to sit on a bench for 1-2 years is a luxury. but that’s just me. maybe someone just really stands out to them at #23. i don’t know that much about who’s out there.
InvaderRamModeratori’m not a fan of drafting a left tackle to back up whitworth. not in the first round. if they want to pick one later to develop sure. not in the first round. too many other more pressing needs. whitworth should have one more year left in him.
InvaderRamModeratorWell they dont need Watkins but i think they do need someone like Watkins.
My view is, the closest they will get to that is Watkins.
Can’t count on rookies. FAs cost.
I agree. I would like Watkins to come back and he says he definitely wants to come back. I think a full training camp with Goff will do wonders for his productivity.
but how much money is he gonna ask for and what kind of production are you gonna get? i’d pass. they have higher priorities. i like reynolds filling that role. maybe thomas.
InvaderRamModeratorSo I would say that around 58 M is enough to sign Donald, Joyner, and Watkins if they want.
i’d rather have trujo than watkins.
InvaderRamModeratorwatkins i think is gone. need to spend those dollars on defense. add a couple more pieces on that side, and i think there’s a chance they could be a top 5 defense.
it’s unfortunate cuz i really would have liked to see what sammy could do given a full offseason. but there’s plenty of receivers already on board they can develop. need to bring joyner and trujo back. and they’ve earned a new contract. can’t say that for sammy. i actually think mcvay and snead lose credibility if they keep sammy at the expense of either of those two.
in the draft, go cornerback in the first round. make the secondary great. sign a nose tackle in free agency.
yeah. and on offense goff and gurley along with woods and kupp have to show leadership and work hard in the offseason. get better.
InvaderRamModeratorRams did not play their best game.
Falcons had a good plan and executed it cleanly. They are going to be a tough draw for anyone in this tournament.
they were focused the entire game. the tackling was crisp. they didn’t make errors. falcons can’t count on teams making those same errors the rams did though.
but yeah. they were definitely prepared.
InvaderRamModeratorEllard80 wrote:
The more I think about how people (including myself) weren’t really giving much value to experience.
yeah i really just underestimated how valuable experience would be. in a thread before the game, i commented that only losers say you need to lose before you learn how to win.
i think it’s at least partially true. you don’t necessarily need the experience of losing, but you do need the experience of playing games. it’s ok if the quarterback is inexperienced, but he needs to at least be surrounded by experience. instead you have a 31 year old rookie head coach. a young running back. young receivers.
i think the defense played well enough, but then you had two horrendous errors on special teams, and it was too much to overcome.
the crazy thing is if the rams are able to get to the playoffs next year and win, mcvay will still set a record for youngest head coach to win a playoff game. that’s what the rams were up against.
but hopefully they go into this offseason more determined than ever.
InvaderRamModeratoryeah. like i typed in the chat room. losing is not a prerequisite but experience is. mcvay and goff. both young.
even when brady won in his second year. belichick was playoff tested. he had been a head coach for awhile. even as a defensive coordinator, he’d been to and won superbowls.
when roethlisberger won the superbowl, cowher was a veteran head coach.
too much inexperience i think. that and two turnovers. that did the rams in. bad tackling. falcons were laser focused the entire game.
positives. goff flashed. he definitely flashed. some of the throws he made were phenomenal.
bobby woods showed up. what a great signing. donald played well.
but man. hopefully, this is just the start. hopefully, there’s many more playoffs to come in the mcvay era.
InvaderRamModeratornot too bad. still would like gz back. but not too bad.
InvaderRamModeratorobviously, the winning helps and everything. but i’m telling ya. it’s been building slowly – a rams following that is.
January 6, 2018 at 2:18 pm in reply to: Julio Jones inactive against Rams – disregard – it’s from last season #80006
InvaderRamModeratorwhoa.
InvaderRamModeratorGaining experience at losing playoff games is not a foundation for anything but more losing.
You know, I’ve always wondered about that.
I’ve always questioned whether losing is a necessary learning experience, or if it’s just something losers tell themselves to reset their optimism for next season. What, really, is learned by losing? Not to drop a pass? Not to lose your grip on a runner’s ankle?
Roethlisberger won a SB his second year at QB. Warner and Brady won their first year.
Just sayin’.
yeah that’s just something losers say.
you can definitely learn some things from losing but it’s not a prerequisite to winning.
January 6, 2018 at 1:44 pm in reply to: Julio Jones inactive against Rams – disregard – it’s from last season #79997
InvaderRamModeratorwhoa.
InvaderRamModeratornice. i hope the rams mug jones all day.
January 6, 2018 at 9:03 am in reply to: For revamped Rams, this could be the start of something big #79984
InvaderRamModeratorwe have no clue what is going to happen in the future.
gurley has maybe 4 good years left in him if he’s lucky.
any long term success will be dependent on goff, and we still have no clue how good he can be. he could be a flash in the pan.
we also have no idea how mcvay will turn out. this league is littered with “offensive geniuses” who fizzled out as head coaches in a few short years. i’m still waiting for mcvay to become a complete head coach.
we’ll see.
InvaderRamModerator100 million for 10 years???
why wouldn’t gruden take that job?
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InvaderRamModeratoris there another level to donald we haven’t yet seen?
i’m curious to find out.
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January 4, 2018 at 6:17 pm in reply to: Informal poll…express yourself, how does it feel to have Rams games in January #79927
InvaderRamModeratorif the rams lose on saturday, i’ll be devastated.
InvaderRamModeratorgeorgia running for 273 yards 13 yards per carry!
so far!!!
InvaderRamModeratorhappy new year!
may it be better than the last one.
InvaderRamModeratorfrom football outsiders
carolina panthers
offense – 15th
defense – 8th
special teams – 6thatlanta falcons
offense – 8th
defense – 23rd
special teams – 21styeah. the falcons offense is scary, but on defense and special teams they are very below average. that’s a strength on the rams. i think it’s a better matchup. the rams offense should do well against their defense especially if the special teams has a day. although yes. i realize that gz is not available. that is a problem. but if a lot of points go up, the rams defense might be the difference.
but looking at the carolina panthers, i can see the panthers defense neutralizing the rams offense. the rams defense will be less of a factor if the score remains low. and again, given how high they are ranked in special teams, they might do enough to neutralize our special teams which has more than made a difference in games.
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