nittany ram wrote:

Well, it seems that those geologists who say they don’t believe in man-made climate change are the ones who have a financial interest for it not to be real…

Link: http://www.skepticalscience.com/Geologists-climate-change-denial.html

Excerpt:
One survey of earth scientists found that while 97 per cent of actively publishing climate scientists agree humans are changing global temperatures, only 47 per cent of economic geologists (those who study geology with a view to its commerical exploitation) concur (pdf). In fact, among all earth scientists, economic geologists are the most sceptical.

Similarly, in response to the consensus on global warming, the American Association of Petroleum Geologists “respects these scientific opinions but wants to add that the current climate warming projections could fall within well-documented natural variations in past climate and observed temperature data”. You’d call that type of endorsement damning with faint praise.

However, the broader community of geologists seems convinced by the evidence that humans are causing global warming. The European Federation of Geologists says climate change is predominantly caused by anthropogenic emissions of CO2 and poses significant risks to human civilisation. The Geological Society of America concurs that “greenhouse gases have been an increasingly important contributor [to global warming] since the mid-1800s and the major factor since the mid-1900s”. The Geological Society of London states that “evidence from the geological record is consistent with the physics that shows that adding large amounts of carbon dioxide to the atmosphere warms the world and may lead to: higher sea levels and flooding of low-lying coasts; greatly changed patterns of rainfall; increased acidity of the oceans; and decreased oxygen levels in seawater”.

So climate scepticism seems strongest among geologists closely linked to the mining and fossil fuel industries. Perhaps the words of Upton Sinclair shine some understanding on the forces at play here: “It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it.”

Most geologists are employed by the mining and energy industries. Doesn’t change the facts that dispute the man made global warming claim. From the article-

One thing, for sure, is that the environmental community has always spurned any input from geologists (many of whom are employed by the petroleum industry). No environmental conference, such as Kyoto, has ever invited a geologist, a paleontologist, a paleo-climatologist. It would seem beneficial for any scientific investigatory to include such scientific disciplines.

Among all my liberal and leftist friends (and I am certainly one of those), I know not a one who does not accept that global warming is an event caused by mankind. I do not know one geologist who believes that global warming is not taking place. I do not know a single geologist who believes that it is a man-made phenomenon.3

Finally, a retired scientist who emailed me after reading one of my climate columns in the Times Colonist observed: “Most of my geology friends are skeptics — but it has become politically incorrect to voice such views.”

wv wrote:

bnw wrote:

You know when grown men are literally claiming it is the end to the world if Trump is elected, how can anyone in good conscience claim they are participating in “good conversation”. I wouldn’t blame me.

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I understand you feel that way, but I feel the same way about things you and X and NM write about. But no matter how i ‘feel’ i try to be disciplined and not get ‘personal’ and i try not to ‘taunt’.

I know its HARD not to get personal. Believe me. I know.

Politics and Religion are REALLY tricky. We have to TRY hard not to get personal or this board will go the route of another Pol Board most of us remember. It imploded with insults and taunting and ugliness.

Personal responsibility. Its a rightwing idea, right
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Personal responsibility as in not making such outrageously ridiculous claims as Trump will be the end to the biosphere? Look in the mirror. Feeling at all responsible?

wv wrote:

bnw wrote:

Too close to home? Lots of similar stuff, actually far worse, posted about Trump supporters over the past 17 months and not a single call from me to delete anything.

Posting vids and articles about Trump supporters is not the same as focusing on ONE poster.
Which is what
you did.

Take a look at how X handled it.
He just raised the issue in conversation. “Hey Trump supporters are not racist troglodytes…” And i agreed with him. Conversation. Not taunting.
You and Billy got into personal clashes. Neither of you would stop. It got personal.

Billy is taking a break from posting for a while btw.

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“Nobody who says, ‘I told you so’ has ever been, or will ever be, a hero.”
— Ursula K. Le Guin

Time stamp shows you posted this 11 minutes AFTER my last post which had already addressed your concerns. Oh and I’m not X. I don’t want to be X. Nothing against X. X just isn’t me.

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If the issue is Billy isn’t here to respond then please delete this thread and I will post it again with new title.

Too close to home? Lots of similar stuff, actually far worse, posted about Trump supporters over the past 17 months and not a single call from me to delete anything.

InvaderRam wrote:

bnw wrote:

InvaderRam wrote:

they might be fools, but i think we’ll all look like even bigger fools four years down the road.

Possibly, but I doubt it.

well strap in cuz we’re about to find out.

Yes indeed. High energy! LOL

InvaderRam wrote:

they might be fools, but i think we’ll all look like even bigger fools four years down the road.

Possibly, but I doubt it.