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  • #148910
    wv
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    Atwell had 40 catches this season.   Last season he had 18.

    He became a player this year.  A real threat.

    I never thought that would happen given his first two years.   Thought he was a bust.

    I wonder what his story is.  How did he make the turn.  Was it a coaching change?  Just hard work and more reps?   Some change in training?

    I havent read any stories on tutu.   Seems like it would be a natural story for a sports reporter.

     

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    #148915
    zn
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    But after the bye they scaled back on him.

    He apparently applied himself in camp last summer and upped his game. Then  he got hurt and Robinson seemed to displace him.

    He had 54 targets, 6 a game avg.,  before the bye. After the bye he missed 3 games, but then only had 13 targets in 5 games, 2.6 a game. That’s some serious back-scaling.

    This is just speculation but…I think TA stepped up this season but McV still had to program him in in specific ways. He was good at what he did in 2023 but what he did was more limited than Robinson. When Robinson finally stepped up, he became the 3rd WR–after the bye he had 38 targets, or 5.4 a game. Just guessing, but it looks like at that point McV was just less interested in programming in “Atwell plays.”

    #148917
    wv
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    But after the bye they scaled back on him. He apparently applied himself in camp last summer and upped his game. Then he got hurt and Robinson seemed to displace him. He had 54 targets, 6 a game avg., before the bye. After the bye he missed 3 games, but then only had 13 targets in 5 games, 2.6 a game. That’s some serious back-scaling. This is just speculation but…I think TA stepped up this season but McV still had to program him in in specific ways. He was good at what he did in 2023 but what he did was more limited than Robinson. When Robinson finally stepped up, he became the 3rd WR–after the bye he had 38 targets, or 5.4 a game. Just guessing, but it looks like at that point McV was just less interested in programming in “Atwell plays.”

    Yeah, Robinson’s emergence, did push tutu down to no.4-role-player, but he still was so much better than in the previous years.

    This season included so many solid years by the non-stars on this team.   McSnead built a solid ‘team.’   Remarkable year.

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    #148920
    zn
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    Yeah, Robinson’s emergence, did push tutu down to no.4-role-player, but he still was so much better than in the previous years.

    Well I am just speculating here, but, the Rams had so many rookies that starting in OTAs they had to “build up the team,” teaching them how to practice, drill, and do the basics, and then slowly progressed to doing more. Rodrigue watched this happen and said that across those weeks she saw them go from learning how to do basic drills to actually performing the playbook as functional units in practice. This is Rodrigue on that:

    They were so imperfect. My goodness, what they looked like when they arrived at OTAs in May — I’ve never seen anything like it. The coaches re-taught a group of 44 rookies and new arrivals how to do drills in May, so that they could have functional practices by June. … Growth occurred in small, quiet repeated actions and in failure — and there was a lot of that in the first weeks and even months. They kept showing up.

    Maybe Atwell benefitted from doing that. Instead of being perpetually behind and not fully functional as an NFL WR in the first 2 years, he had a chance to start over and learn it all from the ground up.

    I remember his first 2 years, he would often–and it was often–catch passes on the sideline and not be able to get both feet in. He clearly needed to work on that, among other things. I took that as him not being fully developed as a WR–other probems were less visible, but you could clearly see that not getting his feet in on sideline catches meant he was still undeveloped overall. But then he actually did do that in 2023 (feet in), after a couple of years of me complaining that he didn’t. Taking that as just one symbol of improvement, my guess is that he had a chance in his 3rd year to start from scratch and build himself up again, because the Rams had to treat the whole team that way.

     

    #148921
    Billy_T
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    Tu Tu has exceeded expectations, but it was still a terrible pick. He’s a luxury guy, for a team with no other holes to fill, and the Rams had plenty before that draft. Again, Creed Humphreys, the KC center, should have been the pick, and he was just about the consensus guy for the fanbase going into that round.

    Water over the dam, and all of that, but it was just a self-indulgent choice.

    The Rams have put together a really good coaching staff, but, with the exception of this past draft class, they’ve missed on too many draft picks. If they can repeat the performance of the last group going forward, the Rams are in great shape in 2024 and beyond. I trust them to be able to coach up hidden gem types, and maximize high picks. I’m just hoping they focus on needs and do the near-impossible: score need/BPA combos throughout, with an emphasis on elite athleticism.

    #148924
    zn
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    The Rams have put together a really good coaching staff, but, with the exception of this past draft class, they’ve missed on too many draft picks.

    We see that slightly differently, though I agree with everything you say on Atwell.

    The Rams (except in 23) have been less good drafting when they’re in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. Though they are better in the 3rd round than in the 2nd. But they would not have even been competitive at all in 23 if they weren’t way, way above average picking in the lower rounds. There were like players producing in 23 that came from the lower rounds in 21 and 22. (For example every NT they’ve picked starting in 2017 has worked out–it’s 3 in a row).

    Why the difference? I have a theory. I think that either McVay or the defensive coordinator or both get too involved in the 2nd round. They see favorites they want. (2 picks that perfectly illustrate that—Everett and Atwell).Then after the 2nd round their favorites matter less and the personnel staff dominates the discussions and choices. It’s an old complaint of mine–coaches can’t scout. But then if your head coach has a favorite in round 2, who has the authority to back him down? HOPEFULLY the Avilla pick is a sign of things to come and they improve a lot with the high picks (1 and 2) and improve a little in round 3 too, while also still being way way above average with the lower picks.

    #148939
    Billy_T
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    Why the difference? I have a theory. I think that either McVay or the defensive coordinator or both get too involved in the 2nd round. They see favorites they want. (2 picks that perfectly illustrate that—Everett and Atwell).Then after the 2nd round their favorites matter less and the personnel staff dominates the discussions and choices. It’s an old complaint of mine–coaches can’t scout. But then if your head coach has a favorite in round 2, who has the authority to back him down? HOPEFULLY the Avila pick is a sign of things to come and they improve a lot with the high picks (1 and 2) and improve a little in round 3 too, while also still being way way above average with the lower picks.

    All of that makes sense. Good theory.

    I’d bet the scouts groaned when Atwell was selected that early. They probably saw him as a good late-round addition, if available. Plus, you can generally find tiny, speedy receivers after the draft, and the Rams have in the past. Have forgotten his name, but they picked up a kid from James Madison a couple years ago who ran a sub-4.3 forty. About Tu Tu’s size. A bit heavier. They’re always there for the taking.

    The NFL is all about mismatches. The guys who scare DCs to death are typically going to be too big, too fast, and too strong for the relevant D positions to handle. Exceptions, of course. But in general. So if I’m using an early pick on a receiver, which I’m generally reluctant to do, it’s got to be one of those mismatch guys. They need to have all the traits, plus intangibles, or I go with a position of true need instead, and preferably one that impacts every play. That wasn’t Tu Tu. Again, he was a luxury pick, for a seriously stacked roster.

    Anyway, I think McVay has grown a great deal since then, and the Rams are on the upswing. I like their chances in 2024 and beyond.

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