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  • #98585
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    alyoshamucci

    Have less time to watch after the weekend so Im splitting the last two up, which is actually good as the DB group was kinda disappointing (Im looking at YOU Jaquon Johnson) to say the least and the DL/LB group put on a show.

    This year they had the intelligence to split the groups by inside and outside, which helped with subtle motion analytics form player to player. Also helped me with tweeners a great deal. I’ll bold my targets.

    DT first …

    Terry Beckner Missouri 6035 296 5.19 5.19 1.86 28 7.97 24.5 8-2 8 5/8 32 1/4 This is a rotational guy, but shows better in his lateral movement than I had expected.

    Isaiah Buggs Alabama 6031 306 5.15 5.15 1.82 20 8.01 24.5 8-0 9 1/4 31 1/4 Plays better than he tests. Short arms. He was only okay in drills in my opinion.

    Demarcus Christmas Florida St. 6033 294 5.08 5.09 1.77 22 8.13 25.5 8-5 9 1/8 32 3/4 Splash player who tested pretty well and looked fluid, but his tape should keep him in the 5th round area.

    Byron Cowart Maryland 6030 298 5.16 5.15 — 26 DNP 30 9-3 10 33 3/4 He tested with the DEs but I put him here, because he belongs here. Rotational guy.

    Greg Gaines Washington 6010 312 5.16 5.17 1.80 30 DNP 31 9-1 9 5/8 31 1/4 Got injured and didn’t test through … if he falls late, even if we drafted a DT already Im looking for him.

    Kevin Givens Penn St. 6012 285 5.08 4.87 1.59 32 7.63 31 9-7 9 5/8 32 1/8 This one was interesting. Really smooth and fluid, but is he good enough to be so small? Someone may have a fit for him that he could do really well in.

    Trysten Hill Central Florida 6026 308 5.04 5.05 1.74 28 7.70 35 9-7 10 1/4 33 3/8 WHOA. WHERE WAS THIS GUY? He didn’t even start at UCF and he was the most explosive and fluid athlete on the field. Yes, more than Williams. I mean, if you told me he was a top ten player I’d be like, “yeah thats the type of testing Im seeing.” No idea where he goes of course and he has some “Um, why weren’t you starting?” questions to answer … but he has my full attention.

    Albert Huggins Clemson 6027 305 5.12 5.13 1.81 35 7.84 25.5 8-5 10 5/8 33 1/2 He was a little over excited … but he’s SUCH a good player and he will be under drafted.

    Dre’Mont Jones Ohio St. 6026 281 5.12 5.13 1.77 DNP 7.71 31.5 9-2 9 5/8 33 3/4 Smooth but not extraordinary. He needed to run faster to get my attention to have him higher than around the 50-64 mark.

    Kingsley Keke Texas A&M 6025 288 4.95 4.95 1.77 DNP 7.55 31.5 9-3 9 3/4 34 1/2 So, both A and M players have demolished the postseason process. Keke was one of the smoothest players out there and will be a steal wherever he is drafted IMO.

    Dexter Lawrence Clemson 6044 342 5.05 5.05 1.76 36 DNP DNP DNP 10 1/2 34 3/4 He ran a 5.05 at 342. Pulled up with a hammy. He’s one of my targets at 31.

    Daylon Mack Texas A&M 6010 336 5.10 5.11 1.74 30 8.02 27 8-6 10 1/4 31 1/4 I don’t think he gets out of round 2 looking as smooth as he did in the drills at that weight. But if he does Im holding my breath all of round 3. I have him right now bordering on the top 40.

    Ed Oliver Houston 6017 287 DNP DNP DNP 32 DNP 36 10-0 9 1/4 31 3/4 Hey man … test with your fellow players.

    Dontavius Russell Auburn 6026 319 5.15 5.16 1.82 24 7.81 DNP DNP 9 1/2 32 Followed Russel for a while … he’s solid, rotational with starter potential. IN this draft he’s likely a 5th or 6th rounder.

    Khalen Saunders Western Illinois 6003 324 5.01 5.01 1.73 27 7.57 30.5 8-5 9 1/8 32 1/4 7.57 3 cone for this dude? 1.73 10 split? Goodness.

    Chris Slayton Syracuse 6035 307 5.13 5.13 1.81 28 DNP 29 8-5 10 5/8 33 1/2 Showed REALLY smooth for someone I didn’t have much info on.

    Jerry Tillery Notre Dame 6064 295 4.93 4.94 1.69 23 7.45 32 9-7 10 5/8 34 1/4 Great times speed and in a 5 tech I think he’d be a better player … 7.45 3 cone? I’d take him after a trade down. Plays inconsistent.

    Armon Watts Arkansas 6045 300 5.23 5.24 1.81 DNP DNP DNP DNP 9 5/8 33 3/8 Big dude, moves pretty well. Rotational.

    Christian Wilkins Clemson 6032 315 5.04 5.05 1.76 28 DNP 29.5 8-11 9 3/4 32 1/2 He’s a better football player than he tested, and he tested well. Smooth and fluid in the drills. Top 10 unless people get weird and impulsive.

    Quinnen Williams Alabama 6030 303 4.83 4.84 1.67 DNP DNP 30.5 9-4 9 5/8 33 1/4 Cemented his spot as likely the top player. I have him above Bosa after this. It’s a mistake to compare him to Donald though, as Ed Oliver is closest there. He’s notably bigger.

    Daniel Wise Kansas 6025 281 5.28 5.29 1.80 22 7.53 27.5 9-4 10 33 Light for me, but smooth.

    Renell Wren Arizona State 6047 318 5.01 5.02 1.75 30 7.65 32 9-10 10 33 7/8 Here is a big kid who has had inconsistent play but moved really smooth and could be had late and really help at the 5 tech spot. He played inside and I think he would have been much better outside in a 3-4.

    DEs. This group was unreal.

    I want a first round edge player. I want to put that position to bed. Note … Ferrell didn’t run and Bryant didn’t do anything, Im guessing he was injured. But that was a bummer.

    I am also looking for late ST guys that could develop in case Obo can’t get it together.

    DE
    Zach Allen Boston College 6041 281 5.00 4.95 — 24 7.34 32 9-4 10 1/8 34 3/4 so, think a slow Chris Long. 3-4 in college who should be a beast at 4-3 DE in the pros.

    Ben Banogu TCU 6034 250 4.62 4.58 1.56 23 7.02 40 11-2 9 33 5/8 Tests out of the building but is unlikely to get the same sack totals or run defense unless he works on hand technique.

    Nick Bosa Ohio St. 6036 266 4.79 4.79 1.60 29 7.10 33.5 9-8 10 3/4 33 Really smooth, tested better than Joey. Can’t miss prospect. I’m sad he’s likely going to a rival.

    Jordan Brailford Oklahoma St. 6025 252 4.65 4.66 1.62 22 DNP 37.5 10-6 9 1/8 32 1/2 Okay … I don’t know how many clubs are seeing what I’m seeing. At OKst. they moved him around mercilessly because of his athleticism, from DT to the slot. But at the East West game, he was unstoppable just playing DE. I think he’s horrifically underrated. Im looking at him as early as the fourth regardless of what we have taken so far.

    Austin Bryant Clemson 6037 271 DNP DNP DNP DNP DNP DNP DNP 9 5/8 34 5/8 Not thinking about him till the 3rd now …

    Brian Burns Florida St. 6046 249 4.53 4.56 1.61 DNP 7.01 36 10-9 10 33 7/8 No shot he makes it to us at 31 now. Likely top 15. Movement skills and testing were lights out.

    Malik Carney North Carolina 6020 251 4.73 4.70 1.68 25 7.40 33 9-5 9 7/8 33 3/8 Sneaky good player who may be had reallllly late. Like 7th round late.

    L.J. Collier TCU 6022 283 4.91 4.85 1.75 25 7.71 30 9-10 10 34 Will make a good 4-3 end. William Hayes comp.

    John Cominsky Charleston 6052 286 4.69 4.66 — 22 7.03 33.5 9-8 9 3/4 33 1/2 Really tested well, should get a shot at 4-3 end and could be a steal.

    Maxx Crosby Eastern Michigan 6047 255 4.66 4.64 1.60 DNP 6.89 36 10-2 9 3/4 32 7/8 I saw him play as thought, man he looks great but odds are he’s not that athletic … lol. So … where does he go? He’s on my radar 6th or after as a great deal.

    Jamal Davis Akron 6031 243 4.60 4.65 1.58 19 7.00 39 10-2 9 1/4 34 1/4 I can’t ignore his numbers, and will look for him late. He moved like a pure LB in drills.

    Clelin Ferrell Clemson 6043 264 DNP DNP DNP 25 7.26 DNP DNP 10 1/2 34 1/8 Smooth, but it won’t matter he’ll be gone.

    Rashan Gary Michigan 6043 277 4.58 4.59 1.63 26 7.26 38 10-0 9 5/8 34 1/8 WOW. I could literally see him playing OLB in a 3-4. That’s how well he moved.

    Carl Granderson Wyoming 6046 254 4.79 4.80 1.71 DNP 7.44 35 9-11 9 5/8 34 4-3 rotational end. Moved well but was a lesser athlete in this crazy class.

    Gerri Green Mississippi St. 6040 252 4.63 4.64 1.66 24 7.27 35 9-6 10 33 Moves like a LB, could be a steal in a 3-4 scheme where he could move around.

    Joe Jackson Miami 6042 275 DNP DNP DNP 22 DNP 27 9-1 10 34 1/8 No burst, average movement skills at best. Hard to draft him.

    CeCe Jefferson Florida 6014 266 5.02 5.03 1.73 17 7.50 30.5 9-0 9 5/8 33 5/8 Basically undraftable at 5.0 … moved slow too.

    Jalen Jelks Oregon 6053 256 4.92 4.93 1.70 19 7.22 32.5 9-5 9 5/8 34 5/8 Basically made himself undraftable with those times.

    Jonathan Ledbetter Georgia 6036 280 5.14 5.15 1.81 22 DNP 26.5 9-0 9 7/8 34 1/2 Man he’s slow. But he’s really good so find a spot for him and draft him late.

    Shareef Miller Penn St. 6044 254 4.69 4.70 1.64 16 DNP 29.5 DNP 10 1/8 33 5/8 tested better than he played, rotational DE in a 4-3.

    Anthony Nelson Iowa 6070 271 4.82 4.82 1.65 18 6.95 35.5 9-10 9 7/8 34 7/8 Really smooth … base end in a 4-3.

    Charles Omenihu Texas 6053 280 4.92 4.93 1.71 DNP 7.48 36.5 9-7 9 3/8 36 Stiff and slow, but the 1.71 shows how he got to the QB.

    Jachai Polite Florida 6025 258 4.84 4.84 1.71 DNP DNP 32 DNP 9 3/4 32 5/8 I dropped him a bit. Thought he’d be way more explosive and smooth.

    Wyatt Ray Boston College 6032 257 4.83 4.84 1.68 25 7.34 34 9-10 9 3/8 32 1/2 Smooth but not all that fast or twitchy …

    Sutton Smith Northern Illinois 6003 233 4.69 4.70 1.72 25 6.75 31.5 9-10 9 30 3/4 So this guy is an effort freak … Ive watched him a few years. The number you want to focus on here is the 6.75 3 cone. His change of direction on the way to the QB is crazy. Think of Rudy … Unlikely to get drafted but could contribute on ST and situational rushing.

    Montez Sweat Mississippi St. 6056 260 4.41 4.42 1.55 21 7.00 36 10-5 10 1/2 35 3/4 So … yeah he’ll go top 10 now.

    Chase Winovich Michigan 6026 256 4.59 4.60 1.57 18 6.94 30.5 9-8 10 32 3/4 Now my target at 31. If we can trade down and get him? Great. 1.57 split? 6.94 3 cone? He looks stiff, but he doesn’t seem to be slowed by it. And beyond testing well he’s about as high motor as it gets. Im in for this kid as our first pick. His upside is Clay Matthews. His floor is Connor Barwin in his prime.

    Oshane Ximines Old Dominion 6034 253 4.78 4.79 1.72 24 7.13 34 9-10 9 7/8 33 Got overwhelmed at the senior bowl and wasntt athletically superior, could slide to the late rounds IMO.

    Thoughts and comments and questions welcome.

    #98588
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    Jordan Brailford Oklahoma St. 6025 252 4.65 4.66 1.62 22 DNP 37.5 10-6 9 1/8 32 1/2 Okay … I don’t know how many clubs are seeing what I’m seeing. At OKst. they moved him around mercilessly because of his athleticism, from DT to the slot. But at the East West game, he was unstoppable just playing DE. I think he’s horrifically underrated. Im looking at him as early as the fourth regardless of what we have taken so far.

    interesting. i’d take him in the lower rounds.

    #98589
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    ben banogu and jamal davis too. long and athletic. this looks like a good opportunity for the rams.

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    #98785
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    I want Tillery. Everyone else wants the fat kid. 😉

    Agamemnon

    #98788
    JackPMiller
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    I want Tillery. Everyone else wants the fat kid.

    We do need a NT. Tillery can’t play NT. He is too light too play NT. Plus, he is not a 1st rounder. Tillery is not a top 50 player. I posted my top 50 players of the draft awhile ago. If the Rams want Tillery, they would have to trade down to late in the 2nd round. For me, I want a Edge (pass) rusher on the opposite side of Dante Fowler. One who can get to the QB. There may be Edge rushers, but they are not strong pass rushers.

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    #98789
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    I want Tillery. Everyone else wants the fat kid.

    honestly. i’d be happy with either one.

    i’m beginning to wonder if either of them will even be there.

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    #98792
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    I want Tillery. Everyone else wants the fat kid.

    We do need a NT. Tillery can’t play NT. He is too light too play NT. Plus, he is not a 1st rounder. Tillery is not a top 50 player. I posted my top 50 players of the draft awhile ago. If the Rams want Tillery, they would have to trade down to late in the 2nd round.

    I take Tillery and don’t look back. I go on my own stuff. If I need a NT, I can get a NT later in the draft. Besides that, Wade doesn’t even play a traditional 2-gap system.

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    #98794
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    I want Tillery. Everyone else wants the fat kid.

    honestly. i’d be happy with either one.

    i’m beginning to wonder if either of them will even be there.

    Me, too. Tillery is just number one on my list. Hey, maybe Simmons? He is a talented player with red flags that I might take a chance on. Trade down? I think we will be just fine. I do kind of lean toward Dline.

    Agamemnon

    #98799
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    I do kind of lean toward Dline.

    yeah i’m pretty much focusing in on dline. whoever that is.

    i haven’t read as much on simmons.

    i’m nervous about the knee. and i don’t really know anything about his athleticism and length. i just know he’s projected as a first round pick by most.

    #98803
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    #98804
    JackPMiller
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    I want Tillery. Everyone else wants the fat kid.

    We do need a NT. Tillery can’t play NT. He is too light too play NT. Plus, he is not a 1st rounder. Tillery is not a top 50 player. I posted my top 50 players of the draft awhile ago. If the Rams want Tillery, they would have to trade down to late in the 2nd round.

    <span class=”d4pbbc-font-color” style=”color: blue”>I take Tillery and don’t look back. I go on my own stuff. If I need a NT, I can get a NT later in the draft. Besides that, Wade doesn’t even play a traditional 2-gap system.</span>

    31 is reach for Tillery. Outside of Fowler, the only one that can legitimately rush the passer is Aaron Donald. You have some Edge Rushers, but too many that are pass rushers. There are players like Tillery you can get later in the later rounds. Edge(Pass) Rushers you can’t get them later. You have to get them early.

    #98806
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    31 is reach for Tillery. Outside of Fowler, the only one that can legitimately rush the passer is Aaron Donald. You have some Edge Rushers, but too many that are pass rushers. There are players like Tillery you can get later in the later rounds. Edge(Pass) Rushers you can’t get them later. You have to get them early.

    I do not think Tillery is a reach. I hope he falls to us. So, I will stay with my opinion. I always believe my stuff is better. I am not trying to change your mind. But, I don’t care what other people think when I have my own ideas.

    Agamemnon

    #98814
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    But, I don’t care what other people think when I have my own ideas.

    how dare you have your own ideas?

    now listen.

    i just wish i coulda seen him at the combine.

    get some measurements. length. speed. explosion. agility.

    i was just joking but the way. in case that didn’t come across. you’re perfectly welcome to have your own ideas however ridiculous they may be. ha!

    #98815
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    on a more serious note. that video of him punching a woman in the streets does trouble me.

    #98816
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    #98818
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    #98819
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    https://www.boltsfromtheblue.com/2019/2/12/18221885/chargers-draft-profile-notre-dame-dt-jerry-tillery

    2019 Chargers Draft Profile: Notre Dame DT Jerry Tillery

    The Chargers could use a shot of length and athleticism along the interior.
    By Michael Peterson@ZoneTracks Feb 12, 2019, 10:22am PST

    Enter Jerry Tillery. A sky-high tower of a man that should be the first one off the bus on every road trip. At 6-foot-7 and 305 pounds, Tillery instantly becomes the tallest on the team while taking up the mantle as most athletic interior defensive linemen.

    After a season that saw defensive tackles break out in spectacular fashion, the flow of the NFL is starting to lean towards the value of disruptive and explosive interior linemen. Everyone used to want the next Von Miller. Now, they want the next Aaron Donald or Chris Jones.

    That is exactly who Tillery can be.

    Tillery came to South Bend by way of Louisiana where he was a First-Team All-State selection at the 3A level as an offensive tackle. He was rated the 126th-best player by Rivals.com and was their 11th-ranked tackle prospect. ESPN had him as their 280th-best prospect while being named their 30th-ranked offensive tackle.

    He wound up playing defensive line and found himself playing in 12 games during his true freshmen year in 2015, starting three. He had 12 tackles, two tackles-for-loss, and a single sack.

    In the following year, Tillery played in all 12 games again while starting 11. He recorded 37 tackles with just with three for a loss. In 2017, his true junior season, Tillery took a giant leap forward in becoming the dominant force that he was this past season.

    As a whole, the Irish defense jump 20 spots in in a multitude of defensive categories and Tillery was a big part of it. He totaled 56 tackles to go along with nine for a loss (third on team, tops for DL), 4.5 sacks (led team), and a forced fumble.

    It was in 2018, however, that Tillery really started to make some noise and get his draft stock meter rising. The senior made 30 total stop this past season. over a third of them for a loss (10.5) and led the team with eight sacks. His best game came against the Stanford Cardinal where he collected four sacks and forced a fumble. He was named the Walter Camp Defensive Player of the Week, Bronco Nagurski National Defensive Player of the Week and Reese’s Senior Bowl Senior of the Week for his efforts.

    He was invited to the Reese’s Senior but unfortunately declined the chance to play in Mobile.

    In the graphic above, you can see the steady rise in Tillery’s performance over the last few years. His overall grade of 91.5 was elite and good for sixth-best among interior defenders. His pass rush grade was tied for first while his pass-rush productivity rating was good for fourth. Unfortunately, is run-stopping grade has improved yet still remains in the bottom part of the rankings.

    His length and motor would allow him to play almost anywhere along the line while his burst off the line of scrimmage would cause linemen to scurry and break duties while not trying to get whipped off the snap.

    He has a type of hustle that coaches covet. Most of his big plays were the result of simply not giving up when the going got tough. His best, obviously, is his motor. However, the development that he has shown over the years will need to continue to become an every-down player, but the upside is very, very apparent.

    Agamemnon

    #98820
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    JERRY TILLERY

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    #98821
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    i like tillery a lot.

    his length. his speed. his strength.

    i mean. rams would be fortunate to get him at 31.

    and still raw. you keep hearing about his motor. when he matches that with skill. when it all clicks. i think he’s got a chance to be special. gotta remember this guy switched from offense to defense when he got to notre dame.

    but given that how does he fall to the 31st pick?

    #98822
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    but given that how does he fall to the 31st pick?

    Different people rate him differently. Character concerns…… The draft is a big guessing game.

    https://datascopeanalytics.com/blog/the-chance-of-a-bust-in-the-nfl-draft/

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    #98826
    JackPMiller
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    Tillery is nowhere near Aaron Donald or Chris Jones. Those guys were special coming out. Tillery is a late 2nd round pick, that you can find players that are just as good as him or better in the later round. We will have to rely on our Aaron Donald and Fowler to get to the QB. After that, we will need CB blitzes, and Safety blitzes. That is if we don’t get an Edge(pass) rusher early. We don’t have anyone else on the roster, and it is difficult to get

    This is my 10 top rankings of Edge Rushers
    1. Nick Bosa 6’3″ 265 Ohio State
    2. Montez Sweat 6’6″ 252 Mississippi State
    3. Josh Allen 6’4″ 250 Kentucky
    4. Clelin Ferrell 6’5″ 265 Clemson
    5. Jachai Polite 6’2″ 260 Florida
    6. Jaylon Ferguson 6’4″ 256 Louisiana Tech
    7. Brian Burns 6’5″ 230 Florida State
    8. Oshane Ximines 6’3″ 241 Old Dominion
    9. Chase Winovich 6’2″ 250 Michigan
    10. D’Andre Walker 6’2″ 251 Georgia

    After you get through the top 7, you are not going to get a legit pass rusher from the Edge.

    #98827
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    Jack, you left NT out of your post.

    Agamemnon

    #98831
    JackPMiller
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    Jack, you left NT out of your post.

    I really like Ed Alexander of LSU. We should be able to get him with our 3rd round pick. Alexander is 6’3″ 331.

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    #98843
    Avatar photoAgamemnon
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    Agamemnon

    #98851
    JackPMiller
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    I don’t care about his injury from last year, what about the years before that? To me, Tillery never stood out through out his career.

    #98852
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    Agamemnon

    #98854
    JackPMiller
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    If we draft Tillery, he better get to the QB from his DE spot. The only edge rusher on this time that we have that is a legit pass rusher is Fowler. Edge(Pass) Rushers are drafted early, like 1st and 2nd round, not later.

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