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  • #62905
    Avatar photoBilly_T
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    I didn’t catch the Golden Globes “live,” but heard Streep gave a great speech, watched it on youtube, and found this write-up:
    Meryl Streep called out Donald Trump at the Golden Globes. He responded by calling her ‘over-rated.’

    Article also includes fact-checks on Trump’s additional claims. As usual, he lied about his lies.

    Excerpt:

    “There was one performance this year that stunned me,” she said. “It sank its hooks in my heart. Not because it was good. There was nothing good about it. But it was effective, and it did its job. It made its intended audience laugh and show their teeth.

    “It was that moment when the person asking to sit in the most respected seat in our country imitated a disabled reporter. Someone he outranked in privilege, power and the capacity to fight back. It kind of broke my heart when I saw it. I still can’t get it out of my head because it wasn’t in a movie. It was real life.”

    Streep was referring to Trump’s remarks during the campaign, when he appeared to mock New York Times reporter Serge F. Kovaleski, who has arthrogryposis, which visibly limits the functioning of his joints.

    “And this instinct to humiliate, when it’s modeled by someone in the public platform, by someone powerful, it filters down into everybody’s life, because it kind of gives permission for other people to do the same thing,” the actress said.

    #62908
    Avatar photoBilly_T
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    This is really going to be an ugly four years. Trump is easily the most thin-skinned, narcissistic, not-ready-for-prime-time president-elect in our history. He can’t let ANY criticism go, and when he tweets back, he invariably provokes the kind of hate that launches death threats against the object of his anger.

    He’s going to get someone killed. Probably a lot of someones, including journalists.

    I can’t stand the Clintons or a goodly part of the Democratic Leadership, or the duopoly itself. It’s not a legitimate entity, IMO, and doesn’t represent we the people. But Trump is just a whole nuther level of bad. Really, really bad. And the GOP unleashed is ten times worse than the Dems. With the Dems, you at least get some respect for science, some environmental stewardship, some attempt to mitigate for capitalism’s evil. Not anywhere close to enough. Not within light years. But at least some.

    Trump and the GOP have made it abundantly clear they’re gonna give a big old fuck you to science, the environment, minorities, civil rights, voting rights, the public sector, etc. etc.

    There really is a difference between “rotten” and “catastrophically rotten.”

    #62915
    bnw
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    Trump wasn’t up for a Golden Globe so Streep politicizing the event is pathetic. Hollywood can’t wrap itself around the reality that they lack influence with the american voter.

    The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.

    Sprinkles are for winners.

    #62916
    Avatar photoZooey
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    It was that moment when the person asking to sit in the most respected seat in our country imitated a disabled reporter.

    For the life of me, I don’t know why that wasn’t the end of Donald Trump right then and there.

    In any event, here is the President of the United States getting into a pissing contest with an actor. An actor. What kind of guy does that?

    It is who he is. He cannot help himself. He is going to continue to be an embarrassment, and at some point – inevitably – he is going to do something that is finally the last straw.

    I do not think he will make it four years. I think he will eventually piss off enough Republicans, and they will impeach him. There will be ample things to impeach him for, and they will choose one, and they will remove him.

    And then we will have Mike Pence, who might be even worse.

    #62917
    Avatar photoBilly_T
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    Trump wasn’t up for a Golden Globe so Streep politicizing the event is pathetic. Hollywood can’t wrap itself around the reality that they lack influence with the american voter.

    I’m sure they realize they don’t have influence when it comes to the minority of voters who voted for Trump. That’s a given.

    And I love that Streep spoke out. It’s the American thing to do. Voice one’s dissent when one knows things are really bad. And Trump is beyond that. He’s a sociopath, a serial liar, a rapist, a serial sexual predator, a bigot, xenophobe and charlatan, all wrapped into one, thin-skinned narcissistic, fascist wannabe.

    I only wish the Democratic Party had the guts to speak out like Streep, and back it up with actions. I have little hope that they’ll do much more than the usual: rail away at the GOP before the election, and then jump into bed with them after it.

    In short, we need a hell of a lot more people with the guts to tell truth to power like Streep just did.

    #62919
    Avatar photoBilly_T
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    It was that moment when the person asking to sit in the most respected seat in our country imitated a disabled reporter.

    For the life of me, I don’t know why that wasn’t the end of Donald Trump right then and there.

    In any event, here is the President of the United States getting into a pissing contest with an actor. An actor. What kind of guy does that?

    It is who he is. He cannot help himself. He is going to continue to be an embarrassment, and at some point – inevitably – he is going to do something that is finally the last straw.

    I do not think he will make it four years. I think he will eventually piss off enough Republicans, and they will impeach him. There will be ample things to impeach him for, and they will choose one, and they will remove him.

    And then we will have Mike Pence, who might be even worse.

    I agree with all of that, Zooey.

    And that part in bold? I have a gut feeling that’s the case, too. He’s going to finally push things too far and his own party is gonna impeach him. But they’ll both do a ton of damage before that happens and, like you say, Pence might even be worse.

    Unlike Trump, he’s fully capable of hiding his despicable nature, and his plans.

    #62922
    bnw
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    It was that moment when the person asking to sit in the most respected seat in our country imitated a disabled reporter.

    For the life of me, I don’t know why that wasn’t the end of Donald Trump right then and there.

    In any event, here is the President of the United States getting into a pissing contest with an actor. An actor. What kind of guy does that?

    It is who he is. He cannot help himself. He is going to continue to be an embarrassment, and at some point – inevitably – he is going to do something that is finally the last straw.

    If the pussy grabbing video couldn’t stop him nothing will. Democrats shouldn’t run a crook with zero personality who campaigns part time for the presidency.

    The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.

    Sprinkles are for winners.

    #62926
    Avatar photojoemad
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    we have a 70 year old man with the sensitivity and reactions of a teenager expressed daily on Twitter account… Complete Embarrassment……

    #62932
    Avatar photoZooey
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    Unlike Trump, he’s fully capable of hiding his despicable nature, and his plans.

    And he is more practical, more focused, and less divisive.

    It will be easier to rally opposition to Trump than to Pence.

    #62938
    Avatar photosnowman
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    we have a 70 year old man with the sensitivity and reactions of a teenager expressed daily on Twitter account… Complete Embarrassment……

    It will be a media circus for as long as he is in office. Anybody can tweet about him and he will react; like Pavlov’s dog. He will need Pence to run his meetings while he tweets a response to every criticism from anyone, anywhere, at all hours of the day.

    #62942
    Avatar photowv
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    In any event, here is the President of the United States getting into a pissing contest with an actor. An actor. What kind of guy does that?

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    Well, maybe a really shrewd rightwinger. Cause counter-attacking Rich Hollywood Liberals plays very well on the right. It always has, as far as i can remember.

    I mean look at the people in that room with Streep — would you guess most working class voters identify with the folks in that room?

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    #62943
    Avatar photonittany ram
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    In any event, here is the President of the United States getting into a pissing contest with an actor. An actor. What kind of guy does that?

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    Well, maybe a really shrewd rightwinger. Cause counter-attacking Rich Hollywood Liberals plays very well on the right. It always has, as far as i can remember.

    I mean look at the people in that room with Streep — would you guess most working class voters identify with the folks in that room?

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    I agree. This sort of thing may make the left hate him more but it makes his supporters love him more and he’ll take that as a win every time.

    Good ol’ Trump…stickin’ it to the rich liberal elite who have lost touch with the working man from the comfort of his golden toilet.

    #62944
    Avatar photozn
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    In any event, here is the President of the United States getting into a pissing contest with an actor. An actor. What kind of guy does that?

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    Well, maybe a really shrewd rightwinger. Cause counter-attacking Rich Hollywood Liberals plays very well on the right. It always has, as far as i can remember.

    I mean look at the people in that room with Streep — would you guess most working class voters identify with the folks in that room?

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    I agree. This sort of thing may make the left hate him more but it makes his supporters love him more and he’ll take that as a win every time.

    Good ol’ Trump…stickin’ it to the rich liberal elite who have lost touch with the working man from the comfort of his golden toilet.

    Guys, this stuff is nonsense if you subtract race and gender.

    So is it working people? As an entire class?

    Or do you really mean something more specific than that?

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    #62945
    Avatar photoZooey
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    My point is that responding in a petulant tone to criticism is beneath the dignity of the office. Or has been until now. Maybe Trump redefines that.

    But Bush – who got blasted from the same pulpit many times – never responded.

    #62946
    Avatar photoBilly_T
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    In any event, here is the President of the United States getting into a pissing contest with an actor. An actor. What kind of guy does that?

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    Well, maybe a really shrewd rightwinger. Cause counter-attacking Rich Hollywood Liberals plays very well on the right. It always has, as far as i can remember.

    I mean look at the people in that room with Streep — would you guess most working class voters identify with the folks in that room?

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    It does seem to work. But it’s amazing they view Trump as on their side: a purported billionaire who ships all of his manufacturing overseas, goes to war with his employees and unions, constantly, and brags about stiffing small businesses who do work for him, sues anyone who tries to make him pay his debts, etc. etc.

    I can’t remember a greater disconnect between substance and image.

    But the GOP have almost made an art of this for a long, long time. The super-rich elite with the cowboy hat and Chevy truck. Trump does the New York Mobster routine, and it seems to work. Kinda like rooting for the Corleones against the Senate Committee, I guess.

    I suppose Americans would rather vote for monsters who say fuck you right up front . . . than monster-lites who ask permission first and use other words.

    You would think they’d choose neither.

    #62948
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    My point is that responding in a petulant tone to criticism is beneath the dignity of the office. Or has been until now. Maybe Trump redefines that.

    But Bush – who got blasted from the same pulpit many times – never responded.

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    Well I dunno Zooey. Obama can send drones out into the world and blow up
    nameless brown-people. He can support hideous trade policies that crush the poor….etc…same as Bush, Clinton… — So, i just dont think about the ‘dignity of the office’ anymore.

    I dont think there’s anything about this corporotacracy that has any dignity.

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    #62949
    Avatar photowv
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    It does seem to work. But it’s amazing they view Trump as on their side: a purported billionaire who ships all of his manufacturing overseas, goes to war with his employees and unions, constantly, and brags about stiffing small businesses…

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    Yup. That part i agree with. It is ‘amazing’.

    How did American voters become so easily mislead? Well, weve discussed the system and corporate-propaganda a gazillion times.

    What’s even more amazing to ‘me’ was the popularity of Bernie. THAT one came out of left-field. I just assumed the capitalist-corporate-machine had done its work so well, that from now till the End, the voters would blindly vote for either a Neoliberal-crush-the-poor candidate, or a Rightwing-biosphere-destroyer — but then there was all that support for Bernie. How did THAT happen? And is there any hope at all it can lead to anything ?

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    #62951
    Avatar photoBilly_T
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    It does seem to work. But it’s amazing they view Trump as on their side: a purported billionaire who ships all of his manufacturing overseas, goes to war with his employees and unions, constantly, and brags about stiffing small businesses…

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    Yup. That part i agree with. It is ‘amazing’.

    How did American voters become so easily mislead? Well, weve discussed the system and corporate-propaganda a gazillion times.

    What’s even more amazing to ‘me’ was the popularity of Bernie. THAT one came out of left-field. I just assumed the capitalist-corporate-machine had done its work so well, that from now till the End, the voters would blindly vote for either a Neoliberal-crush-the-poor candidate, or a Rightwing-biosphere-destroyer — but then there was all that support for Bernie. How did THAT happen? And is there any hope at all it can lead to anything ?

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    It surprises me that the guy who fired up young people the most was an old guy straight out of a Woody Allen movie. An old curmudgeon, from Brooklyn, who one would have thought would turn them off.

    But he spoke to them, not down to them. And he offered up substance on top of that. Trump never offered a second of substance, but he talked to his crowd, and they never thought he was talking down to them.

    Clinton couldn’t master anything that basic. She couldn’t do what E.M. Forster said, “Only connect.”

    Sanders does give me hope, though. Maybe he’s paving the way for something even bigger. When I read stuff on Jacobin some days, or watch someone like Richard Wolff speak, I’m thinking, maybe there is a way to break through the corporate brick wall.

    Hope all is well, WV.

    #62955
    Avatar photoZooey
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    It does seem to work. But it’s amazing they view Trump as on their side: a purported billionaire who ships all of his manufacturing overseas, goes to war with his employees and unions, constantly, and brags about stiffing small businesses…

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    Yup. That part i agree with. It is ‘amazing’.

    How did American voters become so easily mislead? Well, weve discussed the system and corporate-propaganda a gazillion times.

    What’s even more amazing to ‘me’ was the popularity of Bernie. THAT one came out of left-field. I just assumed the capitalist-corporate-machine had done its work so well, that from now till the End, the voters would blindly vote for either a Neoliberal-crush-the-poor candidate, or a Rightwing-biosphere-destroyer — but then there was all that support for Bernie. How did THAT happen? And is there any hope at all it can lead to anything ?

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    Bernie’s popularity was surprising given his age, and lack of polish. But this was the year of kickback against “polish.” Polish is precisely what worked against Hillary and Jeb! And Sanders and Trump had very similar messages: the middle class and poor are getting screwed by the 1%. Sanders didn’t win because the DNC stacked the deck against him. After Hillary got surprised by Obama, the Clintons didn’t take any chances this time, and did their best to stack the deck for Hillary.

    The RNC hadn’t learned that lesson, and took it for granted Bush would win the nomination, so they didn’t bother to rig the primaries. I am pretty sure you can count on the RNC trying to rig their primaries at the next opportunity.

    I also believe the forces that rallied behind Sanders have been growing for a while. And I think that as long as Trump is president, those forces will remain invigorated. I don’t know what will come of that, but – yeah – there is some hope.

    I think it’s too late in the game, but I hope I’m wrong.

    #62958
    Avatar photoInvaderRam
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    I mean look at the people in that room with Streep — would you guess most working class voters identify with the folks in that room?

    this. i mean i agree with a lot of what she says, but she’s as much of a part of the “liberal elite” as trump is a part of the “conservative elite”.

    so really i doubt she has much more of a clue as to what’s wrong with this country than trump.

    maybe i’m wrong. i don’t know. but i’m tired of it all. it seems like the rich control the dems and the reps. and everyone else really don’t count for much at all.

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    #62963
    Avatar photoBilly_T
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    I mean look at the people in that room with Streep — would you guess most working class voters identify with the folks in that room?

    this. i mean i agree with a lot of what she says, but she’s as much of a part of the “liberal elite” as trump is a part of the “conservative elite”.

    so really i doubt she has much more of a clue as to what’s wrong with this country than trump.

    maybe i’m wrong. i don’t know. but i’m tired of it all. it seems like the rich control the dems and the reps. and everyone else really don’t count for much at all.

    One of the more subtle things Streep was trying to get folks to recognize was that most of the actors in that room come from humble beginnings, far away from Hollywood. Very few of them were born with a silver spoon, like Trump was. Streep, for instance, comes from Jersey.

    I’m a fervent anticapitalist and despise our economic system for a host of reasons. I find it extremely immoral, radically, demonstrably, historically unfair, the most efficient creator of inequality the world has ever seen, and totally unsustainable from an environmental point of view. But within the capitalist system, as it is, I see quite the range when it comes to being able to claim one “earns” their money.

    Those actors, artists, musicians, writers, techs and so on in that room, in my view, come far closer to actually “earning” what they make than any business owner with a workforce. Ever. To me, it’s not even close. And people like Trump, who was born into wealth, are even further away from honestly earning a dime than a business owner who doesn’t inherit his or her initial capital.

    In short, I see those actors, artists, musicians, writers, etc. etc. as being far closer to “the people,” and far more capable of understanding their plight, than Trump could ever dream of.

    It’s just not close. And I think far too many people have bought into a false narrative that America’s “elites” are solely on the coasts, only “liberal,” and that the “real America” exists elsewhere. Trump, of course, is a lifelong “coastal elite” himself.

    #62972
    Avatar photoInvaderRam
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    i don’t know specifically streep’s background.

    but there are a lot of artists, especially in hollywood, who were born with a silver spoon. they come from hollywood families. and sometimes just artistic families who were wealthy. i can name a bunch off the top of my head. they don’t come from humble beginnings. they have no clue.

    and likewise there are probably conservatives who come from humble beginnings. not trump obviously. but they are there.

    and that’s not even to say that that would even qualify them as being able to relate to what most people go through.

    and even beyond that most people are not going to look at that crowd and think well they come from where i come from (if they even do). they’re going to see a bunch of elite rich liberals going to their stupid post-award parties having no clue how hard it is to survive. shit. i have no clue how hard it is to be honest. compared to most people.

    but i also agree that trump for some bizarre reason is able to tap into that anger even though he too is part of that elite class. i don’t know why people don’t see that. it baffles me. well i do i think. it’s cuz he’s a white heterosexual male. and almost anyone who isn’t that will relate to the other side. that’s the only difference to me.

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    #62977
    Avatar photojoemad
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    How did American voters become so easily mislead? Well, weve discussed the system and corporate-propaganda a gazillion times.

    To me it was gender. I don’t remember much from my Jr HS years, but I’ll never forgot our Social Studies teacher asking us to name the most discriminated group of people in world history….it was women…

    Bottom line, folks voted for an unqualified asshole over a more competent woman for the job… a fucking pussy grabbing 6 time backrupt shithead over a woman.

    I don’t want to hear shit about Clinton’s alleged criminal past, because folks have been after the Clintons for 30 years and if they would have had ANY evidence of crime she’d be jailed today and out of public office for the past 20 years….

    Even Trump isn’t and CAN’T follow up on his debate promise to hire a special prosecutor on HRC because no crime has been committed.

    Fucking sad….

    #62979
    Avatar photoBilly_T
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    i don’t know specifically streep’s background.

    but there are a lot of artists, especially in Hollywood, who were born with a silver spoon. they come from hollywood families. and sometimes just artistic families who were wealthy. i can name a bunch off the top of my head. they don’t come from humble beginnings. they have no clue.

    and likewise there are probably conservatives who come from humble beginnings. not trump obviously. but they are there.

    and that’s not even to say that that would even qualify them as being able to relate to what most people go through.

    and even beyond that most people are going to look at that crowd and think well they come from where i come from (if they even do). they’re going to see a bunch of elite rich liberals going to their stupid post-award parties having no clue how hard it is to survive. shit. i have no clue how hard it is to be honest. compared to most people.

    but i also agree that trump for some bizarre reason is able to tap into that anger even though he too is part of that elite class. i don’t know why people don’t see that. it baffles me. well i do i think. it’s cuz he’s a white heterosexual male. and almost anyone who isn’t that will relate to the other side. that’s the only difference to me.

    I agree that not all of them come from humble beginnings. But the vast majority do. And Streep tried to convey that, because she is aware of those perceptions, false as they are. She took the time to remind people of that, etc.

    Right now, the richest 1% holds more than the bottom 99% of the nation combined, as of 2016. The richest 0.1% holds more than the bottom 90% combined.

    Just 20 Americans now hold more wealth than the bottom half combined. I find that obscene.

    So we know the vast majority of the people in that room, very few of them being “legacy” actors, etc. etc. weren’t born with any silver spoon. But the “stars” in that room have worked their way up the ladder to the point where they command (I think absurdly) huge salaries . . . but they can at least say, relatively speaking, they did that themselves, not via the collection of surplus value generated by one’s own workforce. If I have to choose between a business owner and an actor, musician, artist, athlete, writer, etc. etc. who is paid for their own personal production, not via a collective workforce, I go with the actors, etc. etc. every time.

    But that’s me. Others have a different point of view.

    Bringing this home and back to the Rams, for instance: I’d rather see someone like Quinn make a lot of money than Kroenke. Fans come to see Quinn, and he gets paid for his own performance. Kroenke makes money from, IMO, stealing from his employees. That’s the way capitalism is set up.

    Trump made his money that way, and he inherited tens of millions to begin with.

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    #62982
    bnw
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    Even Trump isn’t and CAN’T follow up on his debate promise to hire a special prosecutor on HRC because no crime has been committed.

    Fucking sad….

    Sessions isn’t a potted plant. He will and must investigate Hildabeast’s email scandal and the allegations of pay to play when Sec. of State. Obama’s complicity should be investigated too.

    The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.

    Sprinkles are for winners.

    #62983
    Avatar photoBilly_T
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    How did American voters become so easily mislead? Well, weve discussed the system and corporate-propaganda a gazillion times.

    To me it was gender. I don’t remember much from my Jr HS years, but I’ll never forgot our Social Studies teacher asking us to name the most discriminated group of people in world history….it was women…

    Bottom line, folks voted for an unqualified asshole over a more competent woman for the job… a fucking pussy grabbing 6 time backrupt shithead over a woman.

    I don’t want to hear shit about Clinton’s alleged criminal past, because folks have been after the Clintons for 30 years and if they would have had ANY evidence of crime she’d be jailed today and out of public office for the past 20 years….

    Even Trump isn’t and CAN’T follow up on his debate promise to hire a special prosecutor on HRC because no crime has been committed.

    Fucking sad….

    I think gender was a factor. But it was also that Clinton was the wrong person for the wrong time, and didn’t run a good campaign. About the only critique from the right I do agree with is that she seemed tired and didn’t campaign hard enough. Trump was always fired up, likely because he’s on some serious drugs — to wake up and go to sleep for his usual three or four hours. Clinton should have contacted his dealer.

    (Anyone who wants to see Trump as he likely is without drugs should watch his June video deposition: http://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the-radar/2016/09/trump-deposition-video-release-schedule-228953)

    He is a pig. Clearly. Almost half of the electorate stayed home, and Clinton won the popular vote by three million, so he can’t claim any kind of mandate. Neither candidate was close to a “majority.” But under our rules he won. Which means America “elected” one of the worst human beings ever to run for the presidency, and no one in our history comes close to him when it comes to lying.

    Fucking sad is right.

    #62986
    Avatar photoBilly_T
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    Sessions isn’t a potted plant. He will and must investigate Hildabeast’s email scandal and the allegations of pay to play when Sec. of State. Obama’s complicity should be investigated too.

    There is no email scandal. And she’s already been investigated. Congress and the FBI conducted that already. The GOP conducted its usual witch hunt for years and years and came up with nothing. The FBI said there was nothing there.

    Trump, OTOH, hasn’t been through the Congressional ringer, yet. Would you be in favor of Sessions conducting a thorough, non-partisan, completely apolitical and totally honest investigation of Trump’s pay to play schemes? They’re legion. We know this. He doesn’t even deny it.

    #62990
    Avatar photozn
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    this stuff is nonsense if you subtract race and gender.

    So is it working people? As an entire class?

    Or do you really mean something more specific than that?

    Just a reiteration of this.

    It’s not “working-class people.” Race factors into this.

    http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/09/dissecting-donald-trumps-support/499739/

    more than 60 percent of Trump’s coalition is white and doesn’t have a college degree—a category of people who could easily fit into the White Working Class subgroup. (The Morning Consult data counts anyone who has a bachelor’s degree or higher as having “graduated college.”)

    This is often where the analysis stops and the stereotypes about Trump voters set in—they’re laid-off workers, fellas in hard hats looking for mining jobs, young high-school graduates still living with their parents. We already know some of these tropes don’t hold up, and that Trump-leaning towns are more likely to be economically prosperous and demographically insulated. But the Morning Consult data has a bit more to say…

    white women over 45 who didn’t go to college make up a full quarter of Trump’s base. Heck, they are Trump’s base. And they’re not poor, either: Only 23 percent of Trump’s white, non-college-educated voters make less than $50,000 a year.

    #62996
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    but i also agree that trump for some bizarre reason is able to tap into that anger even though he too is part of that elite class. i don’t know why people don’t see that. it baffles me

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    Well its not new. How many Duplicats or Replicants can you name that were NOT part of the multi-millionaire-class ? John Kerry? Clinton? Bush? Trump? Gore? ..just go down the list.

    Americans have been trained that they only have two choices. The Dem-elite or the Rep-Elite. Trump was just one more in a long line. Sure he had billions instead of Hillary’s hundred million, but still…

    Why do Americans vote Dem or Rep every single time? Cause they’ve been trained by the system to do that. In all the ways weve discussed for ten years.

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    #62998
    Avatar photoBilly_T
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    but i also agree that trump for some bizarre reason is able to tap into that anger even though he too is part of that elite class. i don’t know why people don’t see that. it baffles me

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    Well its not new. How many Duplicats or Replicants can you name that were NOT part of the multi-millionaire-class ? John Kerry? Clinton? Bush? Trump? Gore? ..just go down the list.

    Americans have been trained that they only have two choices. The Dem-elite or the Rep-Elite. Trump was just one more in a long line. Sure he had billions instead of Hillary’s hundred million, but still…

    Why do Americans vote Dem or Rep every single time? Cause they’ve been trained by the system to do that. In all the ways weve discussed for ten years.

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    Good question. I took a four-month break from a forum housing mostly Democrats, and just returned recently. I keep talking about the irrationality of voting for the duopoly, or Clinton, or Trump, and like clockwork I get slammed. I do the same about capitalism, and I usually get some “You don’t understand the real world” nonsense.

    Yeah, I do. I wouldn’t be such a strident anticapitalist if I didn’t. I think the only way for people to embrace it — or the duopoly — is cuz they don’t understand the real world. They don’t understand how both capitalism and the duopoly conflict with their best interests, go against them, and are unsustainable. Especially capitalism. If it does go on, this planet will soon be unable to house us.

    But the Clintons. I can’t stand them but I think they’re interesting in this way: Their rise from obscurity, primarily via the university system, and then local, state and then federal politics, to the presidency, and then to their $45 million in combined net worth . . . Well, it tells us about the different paths available to reach power and wealth, and how incredibly few people ever get there, and how once they get there, my guess is they wish they had never started that journey in the first place.

    We’ve developed a system that is too much the double-edged sword. Cuz it’s automatic that most people, me included, will rail against it. Which means most really good people will just say, “Hell no. I’m not going into politics. Look how much they’re hated!”

    I don’t know the way out of that morass.

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