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  • #29571
    Avatar photozn
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    Note from me: MF28 knows and works with a local St. Louis group that supplies oxygen to the Rams sideline. Once a year in the pre-season he joins them on the sideline and reports on it.

    He always answers questions for a day or 2 afterward so there is follow-up in this thread, in later posts.

    So…from off the net.

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    Marshall’s Faulk28HOF

    First I will start this off by saying I will not be on my laptop all day so if you have questions please ask them but I may not get back to you right away. But please ask just in case I forgot something… it may jog my memory.

    So here goes:

    I will start with Nick Foles. They “LOVE” Nick Foles. He is the unquestioned leader of this offense. He’s not cheesy or over the top, but he has a way about him that makes every guy seem important. No question. Every offensive player gives him respect. And he handles the entire team like a franchise QB. The entire team respects him… After the Givens TD Quinn and Long went over to him and told him they will follow him and that he was the man! He has the leadership skills that I think have been missing on the sidelines. He isn’t a rah rah guy but he is constantly in guys faces. Correcting guys, teaching encouraging guys. And it was a simple but nice touch when he stayed on the field when Brown went down. The guy simple gets it. Now of course he still has to win us over on the field starting Sept 13th, but I can definitely see why the guys on this team respond to him. I like Foles. I really do…If he is half way decent on the field we have our guy!

    After he threw the TD to Givens he told Givens, “I trust you dude”. He said “I couldn’t see you breaking but I knew you would be there if I could throw it to the outside post. He said, Once, I saw the safety bite, I just wanted give you a chance to run under it.” Givens told him, dude I got you! If you put it out there I’ll go get it!

    I really like Foles. Now I just hope all of this translates to the field and at that point I will love the guy! The “entire team” responds to him. Haven’t seen that in a while…Keenum will be the back up(and he better be ready)…Mannion will be number 3 and Davis is gone IMO.

    Which brings me to my next point. The offensive line. đŸ˜„

    This is a real concern guys. They are looking over matched and confused. If you cannot pass pro or open running lanes, Foles will be hurt soon or it will continue to be 3-downs and punt. Wash rinse repeat. Defense will be on the field too long and we all know how that goes.

    G-Rob seemed like he wasn’t locked in for some odd reason. He seemed as if he was in a daze or something and when he was getting beat like a turnstile, the only person talking to him was Saffold because Boudreau was to busy cussing out everyone else..they are sooooo young up front. The concerning thing was the Colts weren’t doing anything complicated most times and these guys were simply getting beat one on one. Brown and Havenstein couldn’t get on the same page to save their lives. This is where Boudreau spent most of his night, with these two. Havenstein is a massive human being and nasty. But he’s isn’t athletic at all and couldn’t square his shoulders on the pass rush and it was driving Boudreau crazy! He and Brown couldn’t pass guys off, guys were shooting their gaps and they both were recognizing it way too late hence the penetration in the back field. They are both thinking too much…Boudreau was losing his mind with these two…Guys we going to see Seattle’s front 7 in 2 weeks (I could be wrong) but this is not looking good at the moment. And you could tell by Boudreau’s stress level that he knows it. 🙁

    Right now I see no one taking the lead at center. Jones was sloppy. Boudreau would give him the evil eye every time he came off the field. Barnes was ok. Just ok. On the zone blocking stuff, I think Barnes may be better suited for that IMO.

    You all saw G-Rob on TV, he had decent moments but he had alot of bad moments. And Robert Mathis was in street clothes! He is having technique issues. Saffold is a pro’s pro. He was constantly sitting with Robinson teaching and encouraging him. He kept telling him you have to stay focused on every single play and move your feet.

    I am still waiting for the light to come on for him…I don’t know if he was mad at himself or something else was going on with him, but he was very disengaged, then he would go back on the field and look sloppy and soft. He is much much thinner. He almost looks like a power forward, which I don’t understand all the weight loss if you want to be a running physical offense. the bright spot was Rhaney at guard. Wow. He is a much better guard than center. He may beat out Brown if he can flip and play left guard. If Saffold goes down again I think he can step right in…He looked quick and athletic. Strong at the point of attack. He was the sole bright spot. At this point I flip him to the RG and let him start over Brown.

    There is honest concern for this group. Fisher can give us all the PR crap about the O-line, but this really concern. They are no where close to being cohesive.

    The WRs. hmmmm…Givens’ one big play. Next…

    The RBs. There wasn’t much going on with them simply because of the O-line play. Tre Mason was clearly frustrated with them…they were very quiet on the bench. I mean what could they say, there were no holes to be found.

    Side note Gurley is big and lean…He’s really young and acts like it. He was very engaging with the vets and they all seem to like him…but he sort of blew some young fans off that wanted his picture and he turned his back to them and Chris Long saw it and went over to him and physically turned him around so the kids could get their picture. He’s pro now and he needs to learn a few things. Rookie stuff I guess.

    Now the defense. Greg Williams was really relaxed up beat and looked very happy.

    The D-line. They started off rocky. And no one can belt out cuss words like coach Mike Waufle. They were having communication issues in the run game in the beginning and JL55 couldn’t get off blocks. And Herron was gashing that front 7. Waufle is a drill Sargent and his standards are high. But he knew they would eventually get it together and they did…it is apparent Long, Hayes,Quinn,Donald and Brockers love each other. They are a happy (and rich) band of misfits. Long was joking to some rookies, pointing at Quinn ” that’s what a 66 million dollar superstar looks like… ” he told Martin Ifedi, you want get paid in this league play like him”.

    Donald is the man. I remember last year was a really quiet guy. Now he looks like an old season vet. The guy has earned his strips. Man, these guys are really really really good. If Brockers stays healthy this might be his break out year. These guys are so cohesive. You can just feel it when you are around them…Hayes is like the old man of the group. Quietly dispensing his wisdom. Chris Long and Quinn are constantly teaching the young guys.
    Listen I have been a critic of Chris Long in the past, but he is absolutely essential to the mental health of this team. He is always encouraging and engaging…man he is a class act. I mean a really nice guy. All of them are…I will tell you this…If you want to go into a dark alley at 3 in the morning take Eugene Sims with you…

    Westbrooks is beeing groomed and will see alot more playing time this season. They really like him. He’s been playing inside and outside in the rotation and Waufle seems to really like him.

    Lookout for Matt Longacre. He got a long look last night. He really did some good things. Quinn and Long were constantly praising him as well as Waufle. I’m telling you this kid is a player. I’ll be shocked if he doesn’t make the team. He earned alot of respect last night.

    I will be equally shocked if Martin Ifedi makes the team. Waufle was absolutely drilling this guy for missing his assignments. I mean he was going off so bad I thought kid was gonna start crying. Waufle seems to have no appetite for this kid. None at all. He kept missing reads, not shooting gaps when he supposed to, over pursing and opening up cutback lanes. You name it he did it wrong. After awhile I felt bad for the guy. Waufle was just relentlessly screaming at the guy. Welcome to the NFL kids. This is a man’s world.

    The linebackers. I am an open critic of JL55. That has not changed…He always seems frustrated on the sidelines. Maybe because someone is lined up wrong etc. but he just seems frustrated all the time. Maybe thats just how he is IDK…Ogletree is the exact opposite. Highly energetic and all over the place. He is constantly praising the defense. In the second quarter when they started to play better he ran over to the Dline and yelled at all of them we are f’ing best defense in football and now we are playing like it. The way he yelled it got me pumped up!

    If we win some games I can see TJ McDonald in the probowl. He has an energy on the sideline. a punishing tackler too… he is very vocal with guys in the secondary. I would argue to say he might be the emotional leader of that group. Jenks is always quiet on the sidelines. He just goes about his business. Jenks is gonna be Jenks. I am concerned about Tru. I think we are going to miss Gaines. I hope not but I think so…his technique gets sloppy at times and he doesn’t have the speed to make up for it when he does…his position coach was telling him to stay sound in his technique.

    Sidebar: I openly heard one of the stars of the D’line having real concerns about the O-line. And I will leave it at that…

    To stand next Hekker and him punt is insane! I thought one of his punts was going to hit the rafters at the dome.

    The sound the ball makes when it comes off his foot sounds like a canon going off!
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    Its simply organized chaos on the bench.It really is amazing how detailed things are at the NFL level. No one would know it but guys are actually going to the bathroom on the sidelines. It really is amazing to say everything it takes to put on one NFL game.

    Oh yeah on the stadium front. I was casually talking to some guys in the organization and it is not true that the Rams have asked employees about moving. They are just as clueless as everyone else. There are no facts to that rumor. NONE. One guy told me Qualcom in SD is the worst stadium in the NFL period. There isn’t even a close second. He said it may be getting to the point where it is too dangerous to host events there pretty soon.

    I ask them their feeling on the Rams moving and they said no one knows…but all of 3 of them said SD is in the worst position and needs to be taking care and that is what the league might be looking at first. Don’t know what that means…Stan has “everyone” in the dark. He will reveal his endgame whenever he does at thats that…

    Man watching Luck throw is a thing of beauty. And how come T.Y Hilton can do what he does and Tavon is stuck in the mud?

    Oh I asked about the whole Oxnard thing…and the 3 guys I talked to blew it off. They said the first day it was amazing…then it started to fall off. And when practice started Dez Bryant was constantly running his mouth and openly doggin the entire team. He provoked alot of that crap. This is why he got punched in the face. 😆

    #29574
    PA Ram
    Participant

    G-Rob seemed like he wasn’t locked in for some odd reason. He seemed as if he was in a daze or something and when he was getting beat like a turnstile,

    Yes.

    This is what I see when I look at Robinson. I’ve said this before. It seems like he’s daydreaming or not focused. It’s weird.

    In the Raiders game every offensive lineman was up and backing into their stance and he was still down on that sack. Slow, uncertain–I don’t know. Physical? Mental? I don’t know. But it LOOKS like he’s in that daze sometimes.

    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick

    #29575
    Avatar photowv
    Participant

    That was a fun read. Excellent, just excellent.

    If the Oline comes together, things will click.
    If it don’t, everything will sink.
    We’ve all prettymuch repeated that
    a gazillion times this offseason.

    w
    v

    #29579
    Avatar photonittany ram
    Moderator

    Well, a blind man could see the issues with the oline coming months ago when they failed to sign one of the better vet FA’s. The oline will likely keep this team out of the playoffs.

    #29580
    Avatar photozn
    Moderator

    Well, a blind man could see the issues with the oline coming months ago when they failed to sign one of the better vet FA’s. The oline will likely keep this team out of the playoffs.

    IMO? It was sign Foles to an extension or sign a free agent lineman. I don’t think they could do both.

    #29582
    PA Ram
    Participant

    Well, a blind man could see the issues with the oline coming months ago when they failed to sign one of the better vet FA’s. The oline will likely keep this team out of the playoffs.

    I remain blissfully optimistic for this year. But it’s going to be tough to make the playoffs. Right now–at this moment–it doesn’t look like a playoff team. It looks like a 5 win team. But we’ll see how Week 1 looks. I’m sure they will give the line help from backs and tight ends whenever they can and maybe when Gurley checks in they find the solid running game they need.

    The defense should solve its problems and be good enough if not elite.

    But they HAVE to get the running game going. That threat alone should help on pass plays. I expect they will play it “safe” for awhile with what they do.

    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick

    #29583
    rfl
    Participant

    OL sux. It just does.

    Thanks to the poster for insight and good reporting.

    Robinson is looking increasingly like a bust. As is Havenstein. And they are our starting OTs!

    And OC? Please.

    This FO made not a single move to improve the weakest unit on the team except to draft guys in the middle of the draft. And then trust them to play from Game 1. That is a huge bet at lousy odds.

    And, they don’t seem to be able to draft OL well.

    This is going to be a looooong year …

    By virtue of the absurd ...

    #29584
    Avatar photozn
    Moderator

    My counter-opinion: I don’t think Robinson is a bust and I don’t think their drafting this year is bust drafting. I think that’s a pretty negative view from early in the process. They drafted well with Brown and Rhaney, who are getting praise, and Jones is slowly rising to the challenge. I don’t see why Robinson won’t come around…I think whatever malaise he was in for one pre-season game is just not a “reveal” on who he is. Not if you look into him and his background and what he’s like.

    No line is going to look good at first when they’re fielding 2 rookies, 2 2nd year guys only one of whom has played even a little before, and an inexperienced 3rd year center.

    But they can develop together, which is IMO precisely what will happen. And if Hav isn’t ready they play Reynolds.

    In terms of free agency, as I said, as I see it they could spend money on a free agent OL or on extending Foles, not both.

    This of course is just another guy’s view of it.

    #29585
    Avatar photonittany ram
    Moderator

    The defense should solve its problems and be good enough if not elite.

    Yet it seems the defense still hasn’t figured out GW’s scheme. As Mike said, these schemes fool our defense more than the other team’s offense. DB’s still don’t get their coverage assignments and the LB’s either can’t get off blocks or they’re missing their gaps. For that reason, despite the talent, I suspect this defense will probably be solid but not elite.

    #29586
    Avatar photonittany ram
    Moderator

    But they can develop together, which is IMO precisely what will happen.

    Well, they may develop together. Next year this oline may be a team strength. But this is the year we were looking to for the team to make its jump to playoff contention (actually last year originally was, but Bradford’s injury and the prejudice of others conspired to keep up playoff-less). Right now its shaping up to look like another wasted year.

    #29587
    Avatar photozn
    Moderator

    But they can develop together, which is IMO precisely what will happen.

    Well, they may develop together. Next year this oline may be a team strength. But this is the year we were looking to for the team to make its jump to playoff contention (actually last year originally was, but Bradford’s injury and the prejudice of others conspired to keep up playoff-less). Right now its shaping up to look like another wasted year.

    Who’s “we”? I said they would be 10-6 this year…and that’s not playoffs, largely because, as you indicated, the OL injuries (along with the qb injury) that derailed last year had to be repaired with rookies.

    I just never assumed that starting 2 rookie linemen meant playoffs.

    But we’re talking about our own, personal, emotional relation to the thing. I can’t tell you to see and feel it the way I do. All I can do, really, is ban you, and then unleash my pack of hellhounds to find you and destroy everything you love. I mean except the Rams.

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    #29591
    Avatar photowv
    Participant

    I’m concerned/worried about the OLine, naturally.

    But I also, dont see any ‘evidence’ or reason
    that would lead me to think they CANT or WONT
    develop and get better as the season moves along.

    I mean, i dont know that they will, but I cant
    conclude they wont, either. And it stands
    to reason the Young players will improve
    at least some. I would think.

    Anyway, we’ll see. I’m excited.
    Looking forward to the real games.
    I cant wait, really.

    w
    v

    #29592
    Avatar photonittany ram
    Moderator

    Who’s “we”? I said they would be 10-6 this year
and that’s not playoffs, largely because, as you indicated, the OL injuries (along with the qb injury) that derailed last year had to be repaired with rookies.

    By “we” I mean the royal “we”, as in “me”.

    And believe we…er, I mean me, when I/we say, we are not amused by the state of this team.

    royal

    #29593
    Avatar photozn
    Moderator

    from off the net.

    SOME FOLLOW-UP

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    Marshall’s Faulk28HOF

    I know everyone can see the on the field stuff on TV or at the game. But its also the stuff you don’t see…For instance Donald got the credit for tackling the ball carrier for a loss at the goal line. But when they came off the field Waufle praised Brockers for shooting the gap on that play because he wasn’t supposed to…but Brockers saw something shot the gap and pushed the guard into the ball carrier and Donald did the rest.

    Chris Long is genuine. No arrogance at all about him. He has a future on TV or radio IMO. Quinn, Hayes, Donald and Long seem like good guys. The funniest is to see Chris Long and Tavon interact. Long can be very sarcastically smart and funny with his critiques of Tavon and Janoris. Language I can’t say here but it was hilarious.

    I briefly spoke to Langford during pregame. He said it was strange being on the other side and said he misses the guys.

    Foles has taken over this team. Period. It just gets it. You can tell and its geniune. Its not cheesy. Dare I say this..but very Kurt Warner like on the sideline. The Oline is key. But he seems to have good chemistry with the entire team.

    We’ll see about Cignetti…as the season goes and D coordinators get a chance to game plan him will be telling…also, we don’t know what type of game day play caller he is, but we will soon find out. He coaches from the booth not on the field so it will be interesting..thats where Martz became a mad scientist. In the booth where he could see the entire field. As long as we don’t continuously hear him saying “shoot will fix that’…

    Saffold had to help out on the coaching because Boudreau couldn’t get to everyone because so many mistakes were being made at the same time.

    They are gonna get thrown in the fire. I will say Foles is a lot more mobile than Sam. Slides well to avoid pressure, but unless you’re Mick Vick it might be a rough first half of the season for Foles.

    This almost knocked me over when I heard what a defensive player said….I won’t mention the player’s name but he said this offensive line is a piece of sh%$t right now. Now maybe it was just in the heat of battle but it came right after Foles took a sack. I was like wow.

    Problem is all this stuff on the Oline has to get sorted out in two weeks. The Seahags are coming for a divisional game and we cannot start off and lay an egg and get Foles hurt. Cignatti is really going to have to be creative to protect this young Oline.

    Gurley will learn early that number one he will not see the holes he saw at Georgia. And this offensive line at this point might get someone hurt. This may be the ultimate reason he is not seeing the field. Maybe they have to and wait and see if the line gels before they put him out there…

    not saying they won’t develop or that they were busts…I was simply saying you could lose games this year while they are developing or worse someone gets hurt. But who knows maybe they magically turn it on in 2 weeks.

    They were praising Rhaney on the sidelines alot.

    forgot Trey Watts. this is a talented backfield. And this kid is gonna be good trade bait or he is gonna challenge Benny Cunningham at some point. And now you throw in Malcom Brown? if Gurley is close to what he was in college this group is as talented a group we have ever had…but until the oline is corrected it wont matter. Watts finds holes that aren’t there and he scored his TD he went to offensive line and told each one he only scored because of them.

    Britt really seems like a great teammate. Everybody likes him. He is silly and goofy. Always smiling and laughing…if you see it on TV it may look like something different. But he is engaged in the game and pumping guys up and keeping things loose.

    Another note. The players on this team truly believe the Refs pick on them for some reason. They were all openly saying that after Tavon’s PI penalty. I tend to believe them. The NFL is so crooked. Quick was saying how one ref was going to call defense holding on a play where he got held but the head ref said no because “we need to keep the game moving”…I can’t make this stuff up. I was flabbergasted.

    #29594
    Avatar photoInvaderRam
    Moderator

    My counter-opinion: I don’t think Robinson is a bust and I don’t think their drafting this year is bust drafting. I think that’s a pretty negative view from early in the process. They drafted well with Brown and Rhaney, who are getting praise, and Jones is slowly rising to the challenge. I don’t see why Robinson won’t come around
I think whatever malaise he was in for one pre-season game is just not a “reveal” on who he is. Not if you look into him and his background and what he’s like.

    No line is going to look good at first when they’re fielding 2 rookies, 2 2nd year guys only one of whom has played even a little before, and an inexperienced 3rd year center.

    But they can develop together, which is IMO precisely what will happen. And if Hav isn’t ready they play Reynolds.

    In terms of free agency, as I said, as I see it they could spend money on a free agent OL or on extending Foles, not both.

    This of course is just another guy’s view of it.

    from what i’ve read about robinson. he was academic honor roll sec. seems to be hard worker. boudreau has been very positive about him and his ability. i’d be surprised if he was a bust. havenstein? it’s just too early at this point.

    having said that. i’m really worried about this offensive line. this season already sounds like a disaster. i’m gonna have to see something more before i believe otherwise.

    #29597
    Avatar photoAgamemnon
    Participant

    I am on the side that is not worried about the OL. Maybe I am by myself, but so be it. 😉

    Things are rough getting started, but who thought it was going to be easy? These guys won’t hit their stride until 2016 and there will be some bumps along the way. It is going to take Robinson an extra year to get ready. He is just too raw. It appears we have enough depth to live without Saffold. imo

    Agamemnon

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