I haven't warmed up to Foles…that's not criticism, I am still mostly neutral

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  • #29517
    Avatar photozn
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    With a qb, I tend to wait until something hits me at the instinctive level. I see something or some things that get me on his side. What then happens is that I believe his strengths can, do, or will overbalance his flaws. Usually for me the “hook” is something from the realm of intangibles.

    Green? He immediately seemed to connect with the offense and lift it. You could see his limitations, but he was just effective enough in a lot of areas that the overbalance kicked in on his side.

    Warner? I was sold and “in” because of the first drive in the Atlanta game…the drive called “the drive.” I just thought, you know they look like they have a real genuine effective offense. Smooth, productive, confident. For me, the SF game that came a couple of weeks later was just gravy.

    Bulger? It took a bit longer. I always liked his smarts and quick release. He threw very sweet lasers and could make the most of Bruce and Holt with those digs and deep outs. But what nailed it were the comeback wins in 2004. A qb who can produce effectively in a comeback situation always gets my vote.

    Bradford? I was impressed by him in 2010 and 2011, but the real “buy in” moments were the comebacks in 2012.

    Foles? Nothing yet. I think I see a lot of his strengths and flaws, though right now it’s not from real games but from reading and looking back at older stuff. I still don’t have anything that compels a “buy in” at the instinctive level. Not because I am cautious, or skeptical, or any of that, but just because that’s how I operate. I need a hook. I might not even realize it till later. So I watch a game, and win or lose he does something good, and later I see it again in another game, and then after that I am driving to work and I find myself thinking “hey I like what this guy does, his strengths promise to overbalance his flaws, if this is who he is then I am in.”

    That’s all intuition and instincts. No amount of pure analysis gets you there. Either the epiphany moment kicks in, or it doesn’t.

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    #29518
    Avatar photoAgamemnon
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    Foles isn’t a finished product. I am not sure Foles is anything more than a bridge QB, but he is good enought to get us to the playoffs. We might have to wait to see what he does in 2016.

    Agamemnon

    #29520
    Avatar photonittany ram
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    Yeah, it’s hard to know what they have in Foles. I think he has enough ability but who knows? Last week he made a boneheaded rookie mistake with that pick six but then came back and made a cagey veteran play on the next series. Maybe tonight will start to tell us something but I’m going to reserve judgement until the games count and he’s working with a complete game plan. Fisher seems to be high on him but that doesn’t carry as much weight with me as it once did.

    #29554
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    In the wake of the game I think I am starting to see what I will like in Foles, but it hasn’t put down roots yet. Still too soon.

    It;s like house hunting. Hey I think I will like this one. Let’s go look at it again. Maybe all the dead weasels in the basement is something we can fix. That kind of thing.

    I;ve said it before—IMO Bradford would be a better fit in Phil than Foles was. At the same time Foles would be a better fit in St, Louis than he was in Phil. That means potentially it’s win/win. A rare thing in NFL history—a win/win qb trade. Interesting.

    I think Foles is a “win ugly” kind of qb, but then, that’s fine. Nothing wrong with that.

    #29560
    Avatar photonittany ram
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    I think Foles is a “win ugly” kind of qb, but then, that’s fine. Nothing wrong with that.

    A Joe Kapp or Billy Kilmer? I’ll take it.

    #29562
    Avatar photoAgamemnon
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    At this point, I will call Foles a competitor.

    Agamemnon

    #29563
    waterfield
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    I remember watching Warner in his first regular season game. I can’t recall who they were playing but I was impressed with his ability to drive the team and his seemingly deadly accuracy and no mistakes. I saw the game in a sport’s bar in Sacramento and said to fan next to me: Well this guy might not be so bad after all.

    On Bradford: I saw only the highlights last night but wow did he look good. He threw zingers and deadly accurate. 10 for 10 and 3 TDs. I hope he remains healthy.

    #29564
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    . I can’t recall who they were playing

    If you mean first game in 99, that was the Ravens.

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