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August 15, 2015 at 8:41 am #28711
PA RamParticipantLol! Jeff Fisher from his press conference: “As is the case in most early pre-season games, you don’t want to play real good.You need to correct mistakes. You gotta learn from mistakes over again so we have our work cut out for us here with the travel tonight, grading the tape and presenting it to them on Sunday and then working against the Cowboys.”
This was my main concern–that the Rams would be able to make enough mistakes so that they could work on them against the Cowboys.
God forbid they should show up and play perfect or damn near perfect football. THAT would be a team I could not watch.
Anyway–Fisher looked very tired to me. Jet lag.
Just saw the first quarter. It’ll get better.
"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick
August 15, 2015 at 9:10 am #28712
wvParticipantYeah, I’m not sure they were bad enough.
I dunno. They need to fix that
in the next game.w
vAugust 15, 2015 at 9:36 am #28716
AgamemnonParticipantIt was hard to tell a lot from the game. The Raiders looked the better team. I liked Havenstein, Brown, and Mannion. The rest seemed up and down.
AgamemnonAugust 15, 2015 at 10:03 am #28719wvParticipant<span class=”d4pbbc-font-color” style=”color: blue”>It was hard to tell a lot from the game. The Raiders looked the better team. I liked Havenstein, Brown, and Mannion. The rest seemed up and down.</span>
I dunno. I just never draw many conclusions from game one.
Its always a ridiculous game. Just a lot of chaos as far
as the ‘team’ aspect.We ‘do’ know that the Rams are not the Patriots
and Foles is not Brady. But can they win ten games
and be a playoff team? Nothing in preseason-game-one
helps answer that. And i would say that if they
had won the game 18-3.w
vAugust 15, 2015 at 10:08 am #28721AgamemnonParticipantI dunno. I just never draw many conclusions from game one.
Its always a ridiculous game. Just a lot of chaos as far
as the ‘team’ aspect.We ‘do’ know that the Rams are not the Patriots
and Foles is not Brady. But can they win ten games
and be a playoff team? Nothing in preseason-game-one
helps answer that. And i would say that if they
had won the game 18-3.w
vYeah, I am not saying that is reality, but that is what reality looked like last night. Today it might look different.
If you were from Mars and last night was your first football game, who is the better team?
AgamemnonAugust 15, 2015 at 10:20 am #28724wvParticipantI dunno. I just never draw many conclusions from game one.
Its always a ridiculous game. Just a lot of chaos as far
as the ‘team’ aspect.We ‘do’ know that the Rams are not the Patriots
and Foles is not Brady. But can they win ten games
and be a playoff team? Nothing in preseason-game-one
helps answer that. And i would say that if they
had won the game 18-3.w
vYeah, I am not saying that is reality, but that is what reality looked like last night. Today it might look different.
If you were from Mars and last night was your first football game, who is the better team?
If I were from Mars I’d say Oakland was the better team.
If I were from Venus, I’d say somethin else.w
vAugust 15, 2015 at 10:29 am #28726
znModeratorIt was hard to tell a lot from the game. The Raiders looked the better team. I liked Havenstein, Brown, and Mannion. The rest seemed up and down.
Just speculating but it is entirely possible that Oakland game-planned the Rams whereas the Rams were just in normal pre-season mode.
Why would Oakland do that? It’s a good motivator for Del Rio to remind them about 52-0 and go get some payback.
Now of course as I said this is pure speculation. Meaning, anyone who dares disagree with this true insight of mine is not a real Rams fan.
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August 15, 2015 at 10:40 am #28727AgamemnonParticipantJust speculating but it is entirely possible that Oakland game-planned the Rams whereas the Rams were just in normal pre-season mode.
Why would Oakland do that? It’s a good motivator for Del Rio to remind them about 52-0 and go get some payback.
Now of course as I said this is pure speculation. Meaning, anyone who dares disagree with this true insight of mine is not a real Rams fan.
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Oakland’s OL surprised me. I didn’t think it was that good.
AgamemnonAugust 15, 2015 at 11:00 am #28728znModeratorJust speculating but it is entirely possible that Oakland game-planned the Rams whereas the Rams were just in normal pre-season mode.
Why would Oakland do that? It’s a good motivator for Del Rio to remind them about 52-0 and go get some payback.
Now of course as I said this is pure speculation. Meaning, anyone who dares disagree with this true insight of mine is not a real Rams fan.
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Oakland’s OL surprised me. I didn’t think it was that good.
Hudson. Gabe Jackson. They got Donald Penn (LOT) up and going again. Another line built with free agents mixed in with draft picks.
August 15, 2015 at 11:06 am #28729AgamemnonParticipantAugust 15, 2015 at 2:53 pm #28734wvParticipant========================================
LaRamOne thing among many that I am absolutely sick of hearing from Rams players is “we’re just ready to hit somebody else”
Really? I couldn’t tell because they seemed totally uninspired last night. Flat, sloppy, undisciplined and just not sharp at all.
I know most will say its the first preseason game, okay that’s fine then alter your views and expectations.
Look for things that can be discerned early on. Enthusiasm, continuity, a team that has the look of a group ready to advance.
That CAN be evident from the first game.
The Rams don’t have that look. They look very much like the penalty plagued, undisciplined bunch they’ve been under Fisher
Totally uninspiring play last night.
– Foles confirmed somethings for me. He’ll be widely inconsistent. Another qb that needs everything around him to be optimum. Problem is his o-line is not going to give him that luxury. Holding the ball to long means one of two things for ME. One, you’re not sure of what you’re seeing from the defense, or two, nobody is getting open. I think its the former.
– Keenum – Can’t see the field. Pressure up the middle will always force him to go outside the hashes. Between Keenum and Davis, its going to be a coin toss IMO. They both have significant limitations.
– Mason – Gamer. Tough little SOB who ran hard despite not much room, and hustled.
– Benny – A great guy to have on your team. Does a little bit of everything for you
– #39 Malcolm Brown – This kid was the most impressive Ram for me last night. He ran hard with power, always going forward when hit. Avg 9 ypc last night.
– Pead – Meh, if he were cut he would not be missed IMO
– Watts – OK, but looked a lil slow to me.
Offensive line – Depth? What depth?
– Washington – Reminds me to much of Davin Joseph. Cut him, or cut his hair!
– Barrett Jones – Maybe the most nonathletic nfl football player I can recall in recent memory. If he makes the team, its a favor to someone. Doesn’t belong.
– Saffold – Ugh, this guy really needs to take sometime and consider if he’s in the right line of work. His body can’t hold up.
– GRob – Up and down. Some good and bad against no real stellar competition. I expected him to dominate his man. He didn’t
– Barnes – Held his own, played the best of a pretty weak group at the position. So not saying much
– Britt – Looked sharp and competed
– Bailey – Steady Eddie. The guy just catches everything thrown his way
– Austin – Best decisive traffic running I’ve seen from him. As a route runner, he still has a long way to go
– Givens – Acquitted himself pretty well. Made a couple of tough catches on poorly thrown balls from Keenum, and ran well on reverses. He’s competing for a job
– Cook – Got away with an OPI but only chance he had trying to make a catch on poor ball placement.
Defense
Vanilla soft coverages so not much to takeaway there. The INT by Tru was not a great play by Tru, it was a bad route by the receiver and Carr threw the ball flat. But give Tru credit for making the catch I guess.
Obvious to me that the Raiders watched some tape and learned somethings from their meeting last year.
In the run game, influence Donald up the field, stone Brockers and run in behind him. The Raiders avg 14ypc doing just that. Lb’s??
In the pass, short quick hitting stuff, and misdirection to slow down the aggression. NFL teams aren’t stupid, they copy schemes that have been effective.
The Rams lb’s and backend better button up their chin straps, because teams are going to be running a lot of stuff to counter that front..
Bad miss tackle on what should have been a sack by Bates, I believe other than that not much from that group.
Chris Long didn’t play huh? Long having some back issues this camp huh?
I offered the opinion that the Rams should have traded Long while he still had value, and was accused of never liking Chris Long.
It has absolutely nothing to do with that, its just being smart. Knowing when a player is declining and letting somebody else pay for it.
I only looked for a few positive things in the first preseason game. I didn’t see them.
One thing that I am absolutely sure of however is Jeff Fisher would never be confused for Bill Walsh.
August 15, 2015 at 9:25 pm #28752PA RamParticipantMy positives:
Havenstein and Brown. I thought they did very well for it being their first time out.
The receivers. Nice job making plays and also not bad blocking.
Foles. No problem with his performance.
On defense:
Claiborne. That kid may be a keeper.
Trumaine Johnson.
Negatives:
Left side of O-line. Robinson looked a bit slow–maybe that’s cause he was up against Mack but on the play where Mack got G-Rob off balance I slowed down the replay and the other linemen were already in their stance before G-Rob’s head lifted. I wonder if he isn’t caught daydreaming sometimes.
The linebackers. Did they play?
I didn’t think Jenkins had a particularly inspiring night–but that was all pro compared to my disappointment of the night:
Lamarcus Joyner. He needs to get a LOT better.
"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick
August 15, 2015 at 9:34 pm #28753PA RamParticipantOne other thing: I believe that LA is correct about how teams are going to attack the Rams–they will Judo them to death. Use their strength against them. Let the speed guys come up and hit something quick behind them. Or mix in the occasional run against the blitz. Donald will be past the play.
If this is going to be an elite defense the linebackers will HAVE to make teams stop that attack. They will have to make them pay for that.
"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick
August 15, 2015 at 9:37 pm #28755znModeratorfrom off the net
RamzFanz
No one wants to watch a loss or a team that can’t get in the endzone, but what we watched wasn’t really the Rams we will see in season.
I thought Foles played great. He was in for 11 minutes and hit 3/5 for 69 yards. Cook was interfered with and should have caught that ball anyways. That extrapolates out to a 60% completion percentage and 376 yards with 16 completions. Not bad.
I liked the play calling and design for the most part but not too much exciting. I didn’t agree with the fade to Cook on 3rd down. Hit him in the seam and go for the first down.
For a supposedly run first team, Mason was only run twice. Not a sample size that will tell us what he or the line are capable of or how the defense would act if he is successful and have to play the run more.
Out of the skill positions that started, I was expecting to be impressed with Britt, TA, Bailey, and Cook. Another small sample size, but if they do that all season, we’re going to be moving balls. Cook didn’t show anything but his camp performance has been outstanding.
Givens and Kendricks surprised me in a good way. I’m a Kendricks fan and he was having a rough TC.
Pead didn’t surprise me. He played as well as in camp. Nice one handed catch too!
Keenum played pretty good too. Better than I expected. A lot of dropped passes and unflagged muggings.
Bam Bam did what Bam Bam needs to do, 3 yards and a cloud of dust.
The starting line was pretty good. Washington was terrible. Robinson did get pushed around too but he bent and didn’t break. He needs something to get him over the hump.
Mannion has future starter written all over him.
LOTS of penalties but, ZERO turnovers! That’s great!
I think the Rams proved again what we mostly already expect. Protect Foles and he’ll get the job done. Don’t protect him and it’s going to stay ugly.
I don’t care if the players they are cutting are better than the players we are cutting, I saw a lot to like from our starters and the right side of the o-line, my biggest worry, was a brick wall.
August 15, 2015 at 9:40 pm #28756znModeratorfrom off the net
flv
Helping themselves:
LT Darrell Wiiliams. Played against back-ups but looked like a starter. #6 OL on this form.
CB Imoan Claiborne. Needed to make a play…and did.
RB Trey Watts. Elusive and awkward to bring down.
RB Isaiah Pead. Decisive, pacy, versatile.
WR Chris Givens. Solid. Caught pass in traffic – No really!!!
C Tim Barnes. By default.Not helping themselves:
OL Brandon Washington. Struggled when it mattered.
LT Isaiah Battle. Struggled when it didn’t matter.
K/P Michael Palardy. 0/1 wide right. (bubble is generous).
C David Wang. 3-way battle. Didn’t make it 4.
LB Bryce Hager. All LBs struggled shedding blockers. Big missed tackle to boot.
C Barrett Jones. More issues than Barnes vs lesser opposition.
RB Malcolm Brown. Flat. No spark.
CB Lamarcus Joyner. Thankful for Draft status and guaranteed salary. Not a top 4 CB yet.August 15, 2015 at 9:51 pm #28757znModeratorfrom off the net
RockRam
I watched the first couple of offensive series in slo mo and focused on Brown and Havenstein.
Both did well run and pass blocking.
Brown is quick off the ball and mobile. In Slo mo he’s usually the first OL to fire out…..and that dude is BIG! One time he pulled to his left so fast he almost ran over Foles who was dropping back to hand off.
Havenstein washed down the entire side to his left on one play. He is very good at maintaining his balance and staying in front of his guy. Has a real sense for shielding his guy away from a play.
B.Jones did not do well. He gets pushed back too easy, even in double teams.
Barnes held the point much better.
Rhaney did a good job (had a couple of poor snaps). His short stature and lightening fast get off gets him into his man before the guy can get into him. Being shorter seems to give him a leverage advantage (ala Donald).
I’d have to say after this first preseason game that it is Barnes 1, Rhaney 2, Jones 3, at least from the blocking standpoint
It was pretty clear that once the entire starting offense and defense was benched after 2 series, that the goal for Fisher was to test the youngsters.
Among the 2nd and 3rd teamers, the guys who impressed were Rhaney at Center and Claiborne at CB. Westbrooks was active and disruptive, and D. Williams at LT wasn’t bad either.ON 2 WRITTEN-OFF PLAYERS:
Givens played hard, caught everything catchable.
Pead looked better than I’ve seen him as a Ram. Hit the hole hard, fought for yards. I think he and Watts are in a real battle for the 4th RB/STs slot.
August 15, 2015 at 11:05 pm #28761znModeratorLaRam
I had to read it again but that’s a good review IMO.
A bit harsh in spots, but there’s a lot of good stuff there.
BTW it’s starting to look like we can count on Barnes to be solid at center.
That’s better than Wells was after he got whittled down. So who knows.
The surprise for me was Givens. I had pretty much just written him off.
August 16, 2015 at 10:21 pm #28805znModeratorfrom off the net
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alyoshamucci Part One
I haven’t done my formal review yet but I gave [Foles] a great grade. The team seemed different. It was palpable. I look for body language and focus, and across every player there was a good mixture of “focused” and “loose”.
There is a really good chance that Bradford was just simply never one of the guys, and was either off putting, intimidating, or pressurizing.
Either way we looked different as an offense. He made a couple great throws and a couple he could have thrown a tad better.
He also took the sacks when Washington came in and blew back to back protections instead of throwing a bad ball.
I was more pleased with how the team looked around him than any one thing he did.
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Tru looked really ready, I’m not too bummed [about Gaines] as a result. That’s why you keep a stable of CBs and RBs. Too easily dinged.
Roberson had a nice tackle, and that was his issue IMO. Not physical enough. Seems to have worked on it.
Claiborne is smart. Right place at the right time isn’t chance over a long enough period. He’s got length too. That combo is a good thing.
August 17, 2015 at 9:43 pm #28845wvParticipant===========================
alyoshamucci – first preseason gameI have time for this one, so even though I’d normally not do a preseason game, I’m going to take a shot at this one.
The Good
1) The body language and demeanor of the offense under Foles. This is what I was waiting to see, and I was really happy to see the guys playing loose, they never did that with Sam.
2) Jamon and Hav are both gonna be serious players. They look professional. They look strong enough.
3) Tru looked ready to go, his INT was athletic, aware, and aggressive.
4) Bryce Hager is sideline to sideline, so Im not worried About JL going down.
5) Marcus Forston is going to be the 4th (or 3rd) DT. He has good hand play and can move.
6) Roberson had some effective tackles after being a tad soft last year.
7) Foles took the sack rather than throw up a crap ball. Good.
8) Our RB depth is excellent. Our WR depth is excellent.
9) Givens has made a decent case to make the 53, so we’ll see how that works out.
10) Low penalties.
11) Donnal looked better than I;d have thought.
ADJUSTMENTS.
12) Rhaney needs to start at OC. See if he can do it.
13) Joyner and Mo need to settle themselves down.
14) Claiborne and Roberson need more snaps.
15) Malcolm Brown needs more snaps.
the Bad
16) Washington looked terrible. Ouch. Bond was better, so was Reynolds.
17) Battle is not ready yet.
18) I am about ready to give up on Barrett Jones. I was a HUGE fan too.
19) Seriously Saffold, one series?
20) Catch the ball Ferguson. You have a shot at a career. Same with you Slavin.
I was more than pleased with the offense. There was a sense of rhythm. I was really pleased with the young right side.
That’s all for this one. I didn’t see what many saw, so, here’s to hoping I’m right.
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