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  • #133683
    Avatar photowv
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    This O’dell thing might be purty significant.

    If he goes to the Packers, Cardinals, 49ers, Seahawks, Cowboys, Bills, Bucs, or Chiefs, it might make them unbeatable. I dunno.

    #133685
    Avatar photoAgamemnon
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    That is OK. We got Ramsey.

    Agamemnon

    #133703
    JackPMiller
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    O’Dell is not the same player he was a few years ago.

    #133715
    TSRF
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    Let him go anywhere except to the Rams. The dude is a cancer. The Giants haven’t made many good decisions lately, but dumping him has turned out to be brilliant.

    #133718
    Avatar photoZooey
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    This is a pretty good piece from CBS.

    Looks like there is a good chance he will be in the NFC West. But I’d be very surprised if he makes it as far as the Rams. If he does, that may mean that nobody wants him. I think the Raiders make a LOT of sense. The Rams, otoh, make NO sense, imo.

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    After less than three seasons with the Browns, Odell Beckham Jr.’s time in Cleveland is officially over. The Browns announced on Friday that Beckham will be released, which means he’s soon going to be playing for another team.

    Unfortunately for Beckham, though, he probably isn’t going to get to pick his next team and that’s because he has to clear waivers before he can become a free agent and it seems unlikely that a player of his caliber will end up clearing waivers.

    If you’re not familiar with how the waiver process works, it’s pretty simple: Each team will have a chance to make a claim for Beckham and any team interested in adding him will have to make their claim by Monday.

    The waiver order is basically like the draft: The worst team picks first and you go from there. Right now, the Lions, Texans and Dolphins currently have the top three spots in waiver order, which means they’ll have the first crack at Beckham (If the Lions and Dolphins were to both put in a claim for Beckham, the Lions would get him since they have the higher waiver priority).

    Although those three teams are at the top, it’s hard to imagine any bad team wanting to add Beckham so if he gets claimed, it will probably be by a playoff contender.

    With that in mind, we’re going to rank the top 10 landing spots for Beckham based on where each team falls in the waiver order. In this ranking, the Seahawks are at the top because they have the highest waiver priority (If you want to see the full waiver order, be sure to click here).

    Seahawks (waiver order: Ninth): Over the past few years, the Seahawks have desperately been looking to add another receiver. Not only did the Seahawks once sign Josh Gordon, but Russell Wilson once made it clear that he also wanted them to sign Antonio Brown, so you can bet he would be thrilled to get Beckham on his team. Also, it should be noted that Wilson’s close friend Daniel Mogg, who is the co-host of Wilson’s podcast, posted an old picture this week of Wilson hanging out with Beckham.

    I’m guessing the timing of this picture isn’t a coincidence. At 3-5, the Seahawks could definitely stand to make a splashy move and adding Beckham would definitely qualify. Also, with Wilson expected to be returning in Week 10, it would be a nice welcome-back present for him.

    49ers (waiver order: 12th): The 49ers actually thought about trading for Odell back in 2019, but they weren’t willing to give up the draft compensation it was going to take to get him from the Giants. Two years later, Odell might not be quite the same player, but the 49ers might be able to overlook that considering that they’ll be getting him for free because they won’t have to trade for him. Adding Odell to the 49ers’ offense with Deebo Samuel would probably open things up for the run game, which is something Kyle Shanahan would probably like.

    Colts (waiver order: 14th): Beckham might not be a good match for an emotional quarterback like Carson Wentz, but the Colts could definitely stand to add a receiving weapon right now. Michael Pittman currently leads the team with 658 receiving yards, but after that, no other player on the team even has 325 yards. If the Colts were to claim Beckham, that would give their air attack a much-needed boost.

    Patriots (waiver order: 15th): If Bill Belichick has proven one thing in his coaching career, it’s that he’ll add any player if he thinks that player can help the team. Getting talented players on the cheap is Belichick’s specialty and that’s what he would be doing here with Beckham. Yes, the Patriots have plenty of receivers right now, but they don’t have a clear-cut No. 1 guy and that’s what Beckham would likely become.

    Chiefs (waiver order: 18th): The high-powered Chiefs offense hasn’t looked so high-powered this year. Patrick Mahomes has two big targets in Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce, but after that, things get kind of dicey. Adding Beckham to this offense might be exactly what Kansas City needs to turn things around this year. The Chiefs have been searching far and wide for a No. 2 receiver behind Hill and that search would presumably end with the addition of Beckham.

    Saints (waiver order: 23rd): If Beckham falls down this far on the waiver wire, it’s hard to imagine him dropping any farther. For one, the Saints actually tried to make a deal for him before Tuesday’s trade deadline, so we definitely know that they’re interested. Also, with Michael Thomas now out for the season, the Saints could use a big-play threat like Beckham.

    Raiders (waiver order: 26th): The Raiders have had to deal with a lot of drama over the past few weeks, so they might not want to add someone with Beckham’s personality to the locker room, but he would certainly add a boost to a team that lost its biggest deep threat this week when Henry Ruggs III was released after being charged with DUI resulting in a death.

    Packers (waiver order: 28th): When it comes to Green Bay’s offense, it seems like the only thing anyone has been talking about recently is the fact that Aaron Rodgers hasn’t had a true No. 2 receiver over the past few years. Adding Beckham would certainly fix that problem. The Packers aren’t exactly known for making splashy moves, but they’ve proven that they’ll listen to Rodgers — they traded for Randall Cobb — and if Rodgers asks them to claim Beckham, it will be interesting to see that they do.

    Ravens (waiver order: 29th): Fans in Baltimore are clamoring for the Ravens to add Odell and it appears Lamar Jackson is also on board. The Ravens quarterback told the team’s fans to let the organization know how much they want Odell.

    The Ravens have a pretty good set of receivers with Marquise Brown, Rashod Batemand and Sammy Watkins, but two of those three guys have had trouble staying healthy. Not only would Beckham add some serious depth, but he would give the Ravens a strong one-two punch at the position.

    Rams (waiver order: 30th): The only way the Rams are getting a crack at Beckham is if 29 other teams pass on him, which probably isn’t going to happen. However, if that does happen, don’t be surprised if they grab him. The Rams have already made it clear that they’re all-in on 2021 and this is a team that has proven that it will pay any price to get a talented player, so you have to think they’ll happily grab Beckham knowing they don’t have to give up any draft picks to do it.

    If a team does claim Beckham, they’ll also have to claim his current contract, which currently has $7.25 million remaining, according to a report from ESPN’s Adam Schefter. Schefter added the Browns worked out an agreement that will void Beckham’s final two seasons and make him a free agent in 2022.

    #133721
    Avatar photoBilly_T
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    I’d honestly rather have Kupp, Woods, and Jefferson than OBJ. However, if the Rams could sign him and then trade him for picks, I’d be ecstatic.

    It’s actually good chess to pick up a player with trade value, even though he may not be “needed” in any particular position room. The downside, of course, is that in order to sign players, it’s generally necessary to assure them they’ll play, and that they’re definitely a big part of the team’s plans. At least that’s my guess.

    So, how to do something like that without being cruel and rotten?

    Anyway, the Rams have raided the future of draft picks to such an extent, I’d give my blessing to such a “fib” in this case. It’s not as if Beckham wouldn’t land on his feet somewhere else, make millions, etc. etc. It’s not like shipping him out of the galaxy to mine dilithium.

    If he goes unclaimed, sign him, and trade him. If not this year, then next.

    #133725
    Avatar photoZooey
    Moderator

    That doesn’t make sense, Billy. He’s free right now. Why would any team pass by a free OBJ and then turn around and give picks to the Rams for him?

    #133730
    Avatar photoBilly_T
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    Good point, Zooey.

    So the Rams wouldn’t be able to turn right around and trade him. They could, however, audition him this season and then make the trade next year. This could work, because . . .

    His stock is low now. If it weren’t, the Browns wouldn’t have had any trouble finding a trade partner. And why did his stock drop? He was barely used. Which means the Rams could target him often, deep, especially, and they have the QB and coach to make him look a thousand times better.

    Then make the trade. And that would also eliminate the issue of the “fib.” It would be basic NFL business at that point.

    If memory serves, Antonio Brown went from persona non grata to a real asset for Tampa Bay.

    That’s basically the recipe.

    #133731
    Avatar photoZooey
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    I think that is likely to happen with OBJ. His value now is lower than it will be at the end of the season, I think.

    I also think there is good reason for that. We’re halfway through the season, and he would have to learn a new system, and an OC will have to adjust what they’re doing. I don’t think that makes sense for the Rams. They would have to divert resources and energy and chemistry to develop OBJ just to trade him. I don’t think that’s a distraction worth taking on when the goal is the Super Bowl. That might make sense for a team with lower season ambitions, but I think there is a greater chance of that blowing up the Rams than making them better. Just my opinion.

    I think it makes the most sense for a team that believes they are on the rise, and believe OBJ is a piece that they can build with into the future. Like the Raiders. Or 9ers.

    In any event, I don’t think he will clear waivers. I think he will get claimed for LA has a stab at him anyway, but I just can’t see the Rams making that move.

    #133733
    Avatar photoBilly_T
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    More good points, especially when it comes to team chemistry. It may be just too big a risk to take, with the Rams so close. It would take a serious change of attitude in OBJ to make it work — which could happen — but the Rams would have no guarantees going in.

    And, as you point out, to showcase OBJ might well demoralize other Rams. I’m thinking Woods and Jefferson, especially.

    To make a long story short, I won’t plant my flag on this hill. But I do want the Rams to think outside the box and try to get back some picks. I don’t think their current strategy is sustainable. Too many good players are missed along the way, snatched up by their competitors. But I like it in general, if they tweak it. Trade for a few elite players, surround them with the solid, but stagger those trades enough so you can at least keep a Number One each century or so.

    ;>)

    Hope all is well with you and yours.

    #133734
    Avatar photoAgamemnon
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    The more elite talent you have, the more you can affect the game in your favor. But, there is a limit and it is around 65% of the Cap. Because you need at least 35% of the Cap just to stock your team and cover your need for extra players beside just your 53 man roster.
    I think you just can’t pay 7 players 10%; of the Cap. The Rams are there, Donald, Ramsey, Floyd, Stafford, Kupp, Woods, they average about 59% of the Cap. Stafford is due for at about a 5% raise. Maybe you can squeeze Von Miller in there, but that gets really really tough. We already let talent walk. We are at the limit. imo

    Agamemnon

    #133741
    Avatar photoBilly_T
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    Ag,

    I don’t know the cap as well as you do, but it seems to me the Rams put themselves in another pickle. They’re almost at the point where they can’t even afford to sign First Rounders, which may be at least part of the reason why they’re so quick to dump them.

    Am I off on that one?

    If that’s the case, then some of their strategy is forced on them, which is never a good thing.

    I do get the concept of “win now,” while they have the window. Donald is 30. Stafford is mid-30s. Floyd will be 30 next year, I think. They were smart to trade for Ramsey when he was 25 or so, which is pretty much ideal. So he has a bit longer at his peak. But time, overall, is running out. So I get that. Still, I think the Rams could have talked and chewed gum at the same time. They could have used that strategy here and there, retained more picks, kept refreshing the roster, etc. And then they have to hit it on Second Rounders, always.

    Creed Humphreys sure looks like the better pick right now, for instance. He’s playing lights out as a rook. I’m happy that Allen seems to be playing good football, but if they had drafted Humphreys, they’d just have that much more flexibility along the line, and perhaps at least one more asset to trade for picks, etc.

    Anyway, the Rams may well win the Super Bowl this year. I think they have a great shot. But I also want them to have a future beyond this season. It will take some serious magic to keep things going, given their cap and the dearth of early picks. But if any team can do it, the Rams can. They may well be the best in the league at finding hidden gems after the Draft, etc. etc.

    #133745
    Avatar photoAgamemnon
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    They trade 1st rounders cause the return for a star vet is much better than a rookie, better talent return. But draft picks are cheap. It is just that the Rams have aquired so much star talent, they can’t afford to pay it all. You can only squeeze so much blood out of the roster. It isn’t that they can’t afford draft picks, it is that they can’t afford the star power in their lineup. That is how I look at it.
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    You could say forced, but I see it as a limit on how much they can do. There is a finite number of draft picks and a finite number of dollars for the Cap.
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    They have traded away 1st round picks since they got Goff, So far that has not kept them for being at the top of the pile. I think now we are reaching the limit. We have been outstanding at gaining comp picks and trading down and the coaching the lower round guys and picking guys off the waiver wire.
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    Atwell looks like a big MISS. lol
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    Money is the bit elephant in the room. You can only pay so much to keep your best players.

    Agamemnon

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