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    Rams to meet with Todd Gurley to discuss 2020 status

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001101410/article/rams-to-meet-with-todd-gurley-to-discuss-2020-status

    We begin another offseason the way the last one finished, with questions about Todd Gurley.

    The Los Angeles Rams running back is coming off career-lows in rushing yards (857) and attempts (223) and offered much less in the passing game than we’d been accustomed to under Sean McVay.

    The year did little to wipe away questions about the long-term health of the 25-year-old’s lingering left knee injury.

    Two years into his new contract that included a $21 million signing bonus and $45 million in guarantees, the Rams have some questions to deal with on what now looks like an albatross deal.

    NFL Network Insider Ian Rapoport reported Thursday on NFL NOW that the L.A. brass plans to meet with Gurley before the next set of guarantees are locked in.

    “From what I am told, what the Rams want to do — and what coach Sean McVay specifically wants to do — is sit down with Gurley before any decision was made,” Rapoport said. “So that’s probably going to happen before they decide how are they going to proceed with someone who at times has been the best running back in the NFL.

    “Obviously this is not a simple decision. Cutting him just to save cash would be something that, while theoretically possible, cap-wise would be extremely difficult, more than $10M in a salary-cap hit just for releasing him and if they did it before June 1 it would be astronomical. Trading him would be more possible, obviously they would still be stuck with some of the cap hit but it would alleviate some of the cash issues. Either way whatever decision they make on Todd Gurley would probably have to be before the middle of March. That’s when more than a $7 million roster bonus is due for him. A very expensive decision they have but considering what he played through, how much pain in the knee and how much of a focus has been on him, you can certainly understand why at least all options are on the table here.”

    According to Over The Cap, Gurley would count $25.65 million in dead money if cut outright now. Even next offseason, the Rams would save just $4.8 million with $8.4 million in dead money.

    Perhaps they could find a trade partner with excess cap space willing to take a flier on a great player who has dealt with injury issues (and the Rams would probably have to pay a pick to unload the deal). But, as NFL Network’s Tom Pelissero pointed out, any trade would likely need to be made before the March roster bonus kicks in.

    “That roster bonus is really a big factor here, $7.55 million that is fully guaranteed and due to Todd Gurley on March 20 if he’s still on the roster at that point,” Pelissero said. “That is a hindrance in any potential trade talks because the new team presumably on paper would have to absorb that or the Rams would have to work out a deal to pay a portion of it. … It’s complicated because of where they are at in this Gurley contract the fact that there are still additional guarantees. And if he’s still on the roster on Day 3 of the new league year (March 20) another $5 million roster bonus in 2021 becomes fully guaranteed, though that is subject to offset language.”

    Given Gurley’s contract, his knee status and the Rams’ seeming reluctance to use him as a workhorse this season, it’s likely that L.A. will have to ride it out with the running back, and hope he returns to his 2018 form.

    Quickly, the Gurley deal has become a warning to other teams looking to pay running backs. Surely, the issue the Rams are dealing with won’t help the likes of Derrick Henry hitting the open market this offseason.

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    No-one is trading for him. He’s got arthritic knees. He’ll be a Ram next year, and it’ll look a lot like it did this year. Which aint good.

    And as for this: “…A very expensive decision they have but considering what he played through, how much pain in the knee and how much of a focus has been on him, you can certainly understand why at least all options are on the table here…”

    Um….what reporter ever actually wrote ‘anything’ about how much knee-pain he was ‘playing through.’ ?

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    No-one is trading for him. He’s got arthritic knees. He’ll be a Ram next year, and it’ll look a lot like it did this year. Which aint good.

    And as for this: “…A very expensive decision they have but considering what he played through, how much pain in the knee and how much of a focus has been on him, you can certainly understand why at least all options are on the table here…”

    Um….what reporter ever actually wrote ‘anything’ about how much knee-pain he was ‘playing through.’ ?

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    The reporter assumes an arthritic knee is painful. He’s also assuming the pain was “strong” given the lack of carries this year compared to the previous years and the fact that he most certainly didn’t look like the same player as before. Neither of these assumptions are invalid. Ask any person who has arthritis following a serious surgery.

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    No one is ever forced into a “pay cut” in the NFL.

    A played can agree to reduce a contract, but that is rare.

    Either way you cannot FORCE a player to take less than the contract.

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    No one is ever forced into a “pay cut” in the NFL.

    A played can agree to reduce a contract, but that is rare.

    Either way you cannot FORCE a player to take less than the contract.

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    But you can tell him, we are going to trade or cut your ass if you don’t take this pay cut…

    I’m thinking that is where they are at, and the Rams know they can’t trade him…

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    No-one is trading for him. He’s got arthritic knees. He’ll be a Ram next year, and it’ll look a lot like it did this year. Which aint good.

    And as for this: “…A very expensive decision they have but considering what he played through, how much pain in the knee and how much of a focus has been on him, you can certainly understand why at least all options are on the table here…”

    Um….what reporter ever actually wrote ‘anything’ about how much knee-pain he was ‘playing through.’ ?

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    The reporter assumes an arthritic knee is painful. He’s also assuming the pain was “strong” given the lack of carries this year compared to the previous years and the fact that he most certainly didn’t look like the same player as before. Neither of these assumptions are invalid. Ask any person who has arthritis following a serious surgery.

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    Well, i wasnt really clear with what i was expressing. I have no doubt he was playing in pain and was going thru a lot, etc. But what annoys me is no-one was WRITING about it AT THE TIME. Where was the press AT THE TIME? They were all blaming McVay for not using him more, or they were all acting like it was this great MYSTERY as to what was goin on with Gurley, etc.

    NOW, the press comes along and lo and behold they wanna talk about how Gurley should take a pay cut or whatever because he HAS A BAD KNEE. Where were they all season? Yeah. Duh. He played in pain, with a bad knee. No big Mystery.

    I’m annoyed at the PRESS, not at Gurley.

    ….although….i HAVE wondered if Gurley knew about his knee BEFORE he signed that big contract. Did he have an obligation to be open about it, IF he knew?
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    Interesting words by ED

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    But you can tell him, we are going to trade or cut your ass if you don’t take this pay cut…

    I’m thinking that is where they are at, and the Rams know they can’t trade him…

    They can’t cut him either. If they cut TG it would subtract 8.4 M from the Rams cap (and at present they have 20 M in cap space).

    I don’t think trying to be tough with the guy would accomplish anything. Besides I don’t think he’s done.

    Backs have been productive before on arthritic knees. Heck Faulk was productive his final year with the Rams and at that point his knee was far worse than TG’s is now. TG has already showed both that he’s not his old self AND that he can still be productive, especially in the redzone, where he is instinctive and fierce. It won’t be the old Gurley but he can still produce.

    Is the OL an issue in the running game? Probably–looks that way. Can it improve? Sure, if they play their cards right. Will that mean we see the old Gurley? No–but as I said he can still be productive and an improved OL could only help with that.

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    They can’t cut him either. If they cut TG it would subtract 8.4 M from the Rams cap (and at present they have 20 M in cap space).

    I don’t think trying to be tough with the guy would accomplish anything. Besides I don’t think he’s done.

    Backs have been productive before on arthritic knees. Heck Faulk was productive his final year with the Rams and at that point his knee was far worse than TG’s is now. TG has already showed both that he’s not his old self AND that he can still be productive, especially in the redzone, where he is instinctive and fierce. It won’t be the old Gurley but he can still produce.

    Is the OL an issue in the running game? Probably–looks that way. Can it improve? Sure, if they play their cards right. Will that mean we see the old Gurley? No–but as I said he can still be productive and an improved OL could only help with that.

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    Yeah, i agree with all that…but I’d just add, I’m a bit skeptical that they can run the gauntlet and win a ring with a merely ‘productive’ RB. I suspect they’d need an outstanding running/receiving threat to go all the way.

    Therefore I say they should just forfeit the whole season next year.

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