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  • #110981
    waterfield
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    Los Angeles Times ( according to Republicans a very, very liberal newspaper)

    Opinion: Iowa’s Democratic Party picked the worst possible time for an epic fail
    Iowa gets ready to caucus
    A man dressed as Uncle Sam walks near a costume shop in West Des Moines on Sunday, a day before the Iowa caucuses, which became an embarrassing failure for the Iowa Democratic Party.(Larry W. Smith / European Pressphoto Agency)
    By SCOTT MARTELLEEDITORIAL WRITER
    FEB. 4, 2020 8:36 AM
    Talk about stumbling out of the gate.

    This presidential election is among the most important in recent memory, one that is crucial to the Democratic Party. And it comes at a time when American voters remain worried about the integrity of the election system itself. Not the best time for an epic fail, but that’s what the Iowa Democratic Party delivered Monday night.

    Call them the gang that couldn’t count straight.

    Not having Iowa caucus results Monday night — or Tuesday morning, with no clear sign of when we’ll get them — is an annoyance for the candidates, who have already moved their campaign focus to New Hampshire (or in some cases are delaying announcements that they’re quitting).

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    The campaigns tend to have their own internal reporting system, so the candidates have a pretty good idea of how they did. But the lack of an official (or near-official) count deadens any bounce the top performers might have been able to use to both raise money and persuade New Hampshire Democrats that they have the best chance of beating President Trump in the fall.

    Unfortunately for the candidates, the spotlight that should be focused on them and on who has the momentum instead is on how badly the party screwed this up. And that could finally end Iowa’s run as the first-in-the-nation contest (my colleague Mariel Garza wrote about that on Monday).

    The bigger impact is on election credibility. Yes, the Iowa caucuses were a Democratic Party event and not a state-run election, but to not have results available because of an apparent technical problem invites even further skepticism from a public already concerned about election security and reliability.

    Russian meddling in the 2016 election was aimed in part at undermining public faith in the democratic process. The Iowa Democratic Party’s broad systemic failure Monday achieves a similar result, and will launch a a blizzard of conspiracy theories — especially among backers of Bernie Sanders who already believe the national Democratic Party was in the tank for Hillary Clinton four years ago (as, for that matter, does Sanders).

    Just what the process needs — more turbulence and disinformation.

    And of course this Iowa debacle gives the Republicans an opening to sow more distrust while mocking their rivals, as Trump campaign manager Brad Parscale did late Monday with an apples-and-oranges-mixing email.

    “It would be natural for people to doubt the fairness of the process,” Parscale said. “And these are the people who want to run our entire health care system?”

    Yeah, and the guy who couldn’t put Kansas City, Mo., in the right state wants to be commander in chief again?

    Still, the Democrats invited this.

    The Iowa stumble apparently arose from adoption of a new cellphone app for reporting results, and a volunteer staff of precinct captains who didn’t embrace what turned out to be balky technology and tried to call in results instead to a phone bank that apparently wasn’t designed for the volume. And the app itself apparently had some coding issues, further muddling things.

    In the end, collapse.

    But explanations like that don’t exactly restore confidence. And it’s not like this was a last-minute event. They had four years to prepare for this, to test the app, to train their people, to make sure there was a reliable backup system.

    Yet they botched the execution. That’s going to be hard to recover from.

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    #111004
    Avatar photoZooey
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    Enh.

    It is a Fail, and it’s embarrassing, but if nothing else happens the rest of the way, it will be forgotten.

    #111005
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    Enh.

    It is a Fail, and it’s embarrassing, but if nothing else happens the rest of the way, it will be forgotten.

    Yeah, if NH goes smoothly IA won’t matter.

    #111010
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    So with about 96 percent in, i saw Bernie had 11 delegates, Budda-butt had 11, and Biden had ZERO.

    Does it mean anything at all? What does Iowa mean?

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    #111012
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    A bit on Buddachex. I started it at the 16 min mark:

    #111014
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    Does it mean anything at all? What does Iowa mean?

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    It’s an Omaha-Ponca word that means “Grey Snow” and also “Drowsy Ones”.

    Not sure what that has to do with the election, but, you do you… 🙄

    #111021
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    So all of the left is ablaze in hand-wringing over this, and smelling conspiracies, and so on. I am taking the position that this isn’t that big of a deal. I mean…we shall see how it all comes out whenever they get around to it, but I don’t think this is a conspiracy, and here’s why. There are paper records. There are many, many witnesses. I mean…it’s a CAUCUS. Everybody is out in the open. This isn’t secret ballot. There are multiple eye witnesses in every single precinct to what happened. Right? If they were going to fake this thing, Iowa is NOT the place to do it. You can’t fake these numbers in any way and expect to get away with it. Everybody was THERE, watching it happen in front of their faces. You can’t fake that by one single vote without risk of getting exposed for cheating.

    What I think happened is the run-of-the-mill, corrupt bullshit the Dems have become known for. They are all in the business of getting rich, and making their friends rich, and this was a “make our friends rich” scheme by buying a $1.00 App for a million dollars, or whatever it was. And they fucked up the app. So now they have to go through all the paper that they did not plan to go through, and weren’t prepared for. And then they are comparing that to the app, and the Bernie people are there with their results, and the Biden people are there, and the On and On people are all there scrutinizing these numbers, and it’s taking time. And Pete…he’s a kid. He hoped for victory, and he declared it too early, and that’s what happened. Now…I don’t trust the DNC, and we all know they will do everything they can to prevent Sanders from winning…but i don’t think this is a Thing in Iowa.

    So now Perez has announced the count is starting over. And the left is all ablaze saying that this is motivated by the desire to keep it under the lid that Sanders won until after the debate tomorrow. I don’t think that’s likely, either. It’s pretty clear that Sanders got the most votes, and he is now declaring that openly anyway. I’m guessing they finally recognized that they have a “perception problem,” and they want to get this thing fucking right. There were a few problems with the numbers, all against Sanders…or so it seems.

    Anyway…all this does, in fact, deprive Sanders of a headline. I think everybody is overblowing the importance of the “momentum” coming from that, but whatever.

    The other thing it does is bury the bigger story that Biden got clobbered, and is coming out of Iowa empty-handed.

    #111027
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    Yeah, Zooey, I dont think there were any dark motives either. It smelled like yer basic clusterfuck based on incompetence to me. I’ve seen similar things locally.
    Like, here in WV, we have some old-timey-good-ole-boy-rednecks who run the political machines. A lot of times they know NOTHING about computers or hi-tech stuff. But they are in charge of elections. And they are constantly pressured to “join the computer age”. Or whatever age we are in now.

    So they decide to hire some hi-tech company to handle the elections. And often the blind are hiring the…corporate-weasel-hi-tech-election-company. And oftentimes its a disaster.

    The hi-tech companies dont lose money after the disasters. They make more money. Cuz they are the only ones who can fix the clusterfuck.
    Blah blah, blah, corporotacracy, not conspiracy.

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    #111028
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    Kyle sees some ‘foul play’ as well as incompetence. I dont see any foul play, but who knows.

    #111045
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    Tucker mentioned that Bernie would eliminate Fracking by exec order…..guess which voters would LOVE that….the deplorable WV COAL miners. The miners hate the frackers.

    #111044
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    #111054
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    #111057
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    Fox News:

    #111065
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    #111135
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    #111141
    Avatar photoZooey
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    Wow. Dore just ran over Carlson a mile a minute and didn’t let him say a thing. A lot of that stuff has to be counter to the message Carlson would like. Wow.

    #111153
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