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ZooeyModerator— Cooper Kupp (@CooperKupp) March 22, 2022
ZooeyModeratorSo that’s about the same as what the Rams got for Robert Woods, except for the 1st, the 2nd, and two 4ths.
March 23, 2022 at 12:10 pm in reply to: Just a thread for different kindsa interesting things #137860
ZooeyModeratorThe most Texas thing you will see in 2022. This guy gets tossed around in a tornado and then drives off like nothing ever happened. (Round Rock, TX) pic.twitter.com/JaPaoMUjFG
— Infinite Error (@infiniteerrorx) March 22, 2022
ZooeyModeratorWell, that would be like getting Hacksaw Reynolds back.
It’s about time that balanced out.
Take a quality LB from a division rival.
ZooeyModeratorwhen they added Miller to Donald and Floyd and what that did for Donald to personally reach an extra level.
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I think this is an important point. There is a lot of talk about how Donald makes everybody else better – Fowler, Lloyd, Gaines, Miller – but it’s not pointed out as often how much better Miller made Donald.
Miller created the tipping point in the front 7. His play also loosened up what Donald faced.
And I mean…that synergy affected the Bengals’ game plan. They abandoned the 7-step drop (which is the strength of their offense) before the game even started. They knew they couldn’t do it.
Donald’s devastating run through the playoffs was certainly about how great AD is. But it’s also a credit to Miller. And the Rams are wise to try to find a guy for that role.
Side note: personally, I’m not convinced Wagner is that guy. I lack the imagination to see how Wagner might help. He’s a great player, and he would probably contribute in some way, but I don’t know if he would create the overload in the pass rush that Miller did. I wonder if Clowney might be a better fit. I hasten to add that I have no knowledge of Clowney or Wagner outside of their reputations. I’ve seen Wagner play a few times, and Clowney once or twice, maybe, but I don’t know anything about them, not really. But I saw what another quality Edge rusher did for the Rams, so that’s what I’m hoping for.
ZooeyModeratorI liked Madden cause he was… Madden, but I liked Clayton cause he was Clayton. w v
Neither one would have netted more than a 6th.
March 22, 2022 at 1:38 pm in reply to: Rams sign Allen Robinson… & the trade talk this sets off (Woods?) #137841
ZooeyModeratorSo…not similar to Van Jefferson, then?
Allen Robinson is a different kind of WR that the Rams have had in the Sean McVay era.
In 2020, he led the NFL in contest catches with 23. The year before, he again led the NFL with 26 contested catches and ranked 5th in contested catch rate (59.1%).
— Blaine Grisak (@bgrisakDTR) March 22, 2022
ZooeyModeratorLooking at the compensation for the Wentz and Ryan trades — two 3rds, and one 3rd, respectively — it makes the 6th rounder for Woods all the more absurd. Wentz is basically a bust. Ryan is the better player, but he’s 37. Woods deserves at least similar returns. Worst case scenario: a 4th this year. At worst. If we’re comparing his overall game, and his intangibles, to Davante Adams . . . I’m thinking the Rams should have gotten at least a 2nd. Woods is actually a 1st round receiver, and proven many times over. But, yeah, the age and injury thing kick in too. So I get that.
I was thinking a along those lines. I mean…a 6th round pick has, like, 50/50 chance of being with the team for Year 3. Probably less than that. And that would be spot duty and special teams, maybe. Woods will still be starting and contributing 3 years from now, without a doubt. And he’s a known quantity. He’s GOOD.
But…there are a lot of good WRs. Only a few teams have nobody. Most teams have serviceable WRs, or even really, really good WRs.
QBs just aren’t a good comparison. Wentz may be a “bust,” but he’s a still better than other starting QBs in this league. That’s the reality.
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ZooeyModeratorIt only took until the Jaguars second offensive play of the game for Aaron Donald to do this. I’m sure Urban Meyer knew who he was then. https://t.co/higOkVRGjT pic.twitter.com/4OXlR37tXD
— 𝕋𝕠𝕞 (@TL_LARams) March 21, 2022
ZooeyModeratorThis is the thing. This right here.
Yep.
We are looking at the most effective front office in Rams history.
ZooeyModeratorThe media seems to have morphed from pipeline of BS to generator of BS. The media itself is doctoring photos and videos, and so on.
According to the press accounts I have seen about this issue, that’s not true.
I think I have a better way of expressing this now.
I think the media has now fully come to terms with the fact that they are the propaganda department.
Media used to see itself as independent investigators, reporting the Truth. From time-to-time, they collaborated with Power to shape an “important” narrative, but still saw themselves as basically independent.
That has eroded over time so much that I think now that no longer lie to themselves about that. They know their function is to spin stories, and it’s openly accepted. They don’t fool themselves into thinking they report objective reality. They weave it, and they know that’s what they do.
ZooeyModeratoramari cooper netted a fifth and a move up the sixth round this year.
I did not know that. I saw he was traded, but did not notice the details.
That does change my thinking on it. That’s kind of mind-blowing to me. There are a lot of good WR, but…wow.
ZooeyModeratorIt was neither. It was because they gave Woods the final say in choosing which team he wanted to be traded to. He chose the team he wanted most, and the Rams, out of respect to him, just accepted the Titan’s low bid. They weren’t out for the highest bidder, they were honoring Woods’s choice of teams, out of deference to what he meant to the Rams and how he conducted himself as a player and leader.
I believe the Rams wanted to “do right” by Woods.
But I’d sure like to know how these negotiations went. Did the Rams contact TN? What did the Eagles, Browns, and Bears offer? I can’t wrap my head around a 6th rounder.
I have often wondered about the Rams getting poor return value on players they part with, but I’ve always thought that there is a possibility that I overvalue Rams players. But this is nonsense. A 6th rounder is probably out of the league before Woods retires. Woods is not just a proven starter, he is very, very good. It just seems like terrible poker playing on the part of the Rams.
Robinson better be very, very good.
Because they didn’t have to sign him. This whole roster change comes out of the oven as Robinson + 6th round pick in exchange for Woods.
Now…why would you do that?
It must be scheme. We know that Woods was down in production this year, and was actually unhappy after the first month of the season. Maybe the Rams decided that Woods wasn’t a real good match with Stafford’s style of play, and Robinson is a better fit. Let’s hope so.
But…a sixth? Is that what TN thought Woods is worth? Did the Rams just lay al their cards on the table? Did they make no effort to leverage the other teams’ offers against TN to make them pay more?
Anyway. So be it.
ZooeyModeratorI would have liked to be in on the conversations because there is no way, from my couch, that this trade makes sense.
Well as was said in the thread, it’s a 6th rounder because the Rams let Woods choose the team he went to, and he chose the Titans…and that’s all they were offering.
Okay, but sending Woods where he wants to go could be a consideration, but surely if another team offered something better – a 4th, say – business is business. They might give him the courtesy of 10-12 slots difference, but…a SIXTH?
ZooeyModeratorFor the Vikings fella, I woulda understood. A position of depth for a position of need. Would not have loved it, but would have understood.
A 6th rounder?
I would have liked to be in on the conversations because there is no way, from my couch, that this trade makes sense. I mean…if 5 teams were interested, how the F### is a 6th rounder not a laughable bid? Would you trade a 6th rounder to acquire Woods? In a nanosecond.
Why do the Rams trade a 2nd and a 3rd for Miller for half a season, and get only a 6th for Robert Woods for 3 years, or whatever he has left?
This just derails my brain.
March 19, 2022 at 11:19 am in reply to: Rams sign Allen Robinson… & the trade talk this sets off (Woods?) #137720
ZooeyModeratorI do not consent to a Robert Woods trade.
They can deal Jefferson if they want, though I can’t see what that would accomplish. He’s cheap, and without much trade value.
But I want the Rams to get an edge rusher the easy way. Maybe the NFL can rig it for the Rams to win two years in a row.
ZooeyModeratorHe seemed like a decent human being, and his insight was clear and professional.
ZooeyModeratorFIRST LOOK: Deshaun Watson in a Cleveland Browns uniform pic.twitter.com/3s24X9skcM
— NFL Memes (@NFL_Memes) March 18, 2022
ZooeyModeratorMarch 18, 2022 at 2:58 pm in reply to: Rams sign Allen Robinson… & the trade talk this sets off (Woods?) #137710
ZooeyModeratorLet’s put this in context, OBJ out till December his 2nd ACL tear, Bobby trees coming off an ACL tear, Tutu coming off a season ending injury, Jacob Harris coming off a season ending injury. But yea we’re okay at WR did we forget Benny skow out there dropping tuddys? Cmon lol
— x – mike (@LAmyke6) March 17, 2022
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ZooeyModeratorI’m surprised it doesn’t happen more often.
The sense of entitlement many of these guys have been developing since high school….
March 18, 2022 at 11:01 am in reply to: Rams sign Allen Robinson… & the trade talk this sets off (Woods?) #137698
ZooeyModeratorI would prefer that the Rams keep Woods and draft a premier pass rusher in the sixth round.
March 17, 2022 at 11:30 pm in reply to: Rams sign Allen Robinson… & the trade talk this sets off (Woods?) #137682
ZooeyModeratorI’m not shedding tears for Van Jefferson, if he gets left out. Nice guy, whatever, made some plays, okay. But he hasn’t exactly created a legacy. I want more from that guy, and he can either give it to me, or go play for the Jets, or something.
And Atwell can go join the Hall of Shame along with Trung Canidate, Mike Schad, Greg Robinson, Lawrence Phillips, Wayne Gandy, Jimmy Kennedy, and Bill Hawkins.
ZooeyModeratorI can’t believe we have to wait until September to watch Allen Robinson catch touchdowns from Matthew Stafford 🙃 pic.twitter.com/F1tG7TdKbF
— JAKE ELLENBOGEN (@JKBOGEN) March 18, 2022
ZooeyModeratorThis isn’t a Rams tweet, exactly. More like a whiney-crying-49er tweet.
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— Falcon “Lombardi” Rainwater (@BirdmanRainH2o) March 17, 2022
ZooeyModeratorHere is what Jim Everett feels.
Getting the feeling that the @RamsNFL value the forward pass more than any team in the #nfl! And are willing to acquire anyone involved with helping that aspect of their game. #PassFirstPlease
— 𝒥𝒾𝓂 𝐸𝓋𝑒𝓇𝑒𝓉𝓉 (@Jim_Everett) March 18, 2022
ZooeyModeratorDante Fowler, Jalen Ramsey, Blake Bortles and now Allen Robinson. The Rams have gotten more out of the 2017 Jacksonville Jaguars roster than the Jags did.
— Greg Beacham (@gregbeacham) March 17, 2022
March 17, 2022 at 8:54 pm in reply to: Rams sign Allen Robinson… & the trade talk this sets off (Woods?) #137671
ZooeyModeratorI never heard of him, either, but he looked good in that highlight video. Goes over the middle, makes tough catches. I don’t know about YAC or making people miss, but he’s big, and catches the ball. He’s a good player. There’s a part of me waiting for the other shoe to drop, though. And I hope it ain’t Woods.
Kupp, Woods, OBJ, and Robinson is lethal, imo.
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