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    I don’t know if this belongs here, either. Is this devoted to news, or is analysis welcome? If this belongs in a different thread, then by all means, move it.

    The marvelous Jourdan Rodrigue on off-season priorities.

     

    Five Rams’ offseason priorities — OL investment, tough conversations — and one big question

    By Jourdan Rodrigue
    Jan 23, 2024

    The Rams are currently in the after-action review of a 2023 season during which they overachieved relative to the experience level of their roster, and outside expectations.

    Ten wins, a narrow wild-card loss, an offense that got back into the top 10 in the NFL and the emergence of a strong rookie class — not bad, right?

    They did it by going back to some of their fundamentals as coaches and executives. General manager Les Snead preached discipline from last offseason into the trade deadline, where the Rams had previously spent big capital (money and draft picks), and his scouting and personnel departments were patient and intentional about the players they selected in the draft and veteran free agency.

    The 2024 season, it seems, is set up to reward them for that discipline. They will have around $40 million in workable cap space (estimations vary up until the new league year) and will wipe most of their dead money off the books. They’ll have their first-round pick and a full slate underneath it. Some of their top players are heading into only the second or third years on their initial contracts. But success is not a given. How can the Rams avoid regression in 2024?

    “From this point forward, a lot of messaging will be, ‘OK, you got to this point and you’ll just move forward next year,’” Snead said. “What we do know is, we can reason that next year is gonna be different. We’ll be a different team. We’re not gonna be able to just show up and hop back on the train and be in rhythm. That took a lot of work. And I think the thing that we can do — what you can apply from this year — is, last year we really said ‘let’s come in every day and try to do something every day so that the collective can play quality football.’ We never talked about having more points than the other team, just quality football.

    “The lesson would be not to come in and think, ‘OK, now this is what we do, and now we’ll have 11 wins over 10 (wins).’”

    Setting the table in the offseason is all-important. Here are five priorities:

    1. Continued investment in the offensive line 

    The moves the Rams made along their offensive line in the draft and via trade — plus a scheme change in their run game — paid dividends. Rookie Steve Avila will start for them at left guard for a long time. Left tackle Alaric Jackson, an undrafted free agent, got better as the season progressed. Coleman Shelton was consistently solid at center. Right guard Kevin Dotson, whom the Rams traded for in August, was one of the top guards in the NFL in 2023 and paired very well with Avila. Right tackle Rob Havenstein is still the veteran and captain of the group. They also invested in a four-person coaching staff, from position coach Ryan Wendell to assistants Zak Kromer and Nick Jones, and consultant Mike Munchak.

    Jackson is a restricted free agent, so subject to a tender. Shelton is an unrestricted free agent, as is Dotson. Snead indicated that at least trying to re-sign Dotson is a goal of the Rams this spring, but he will have a competitive market.

    “I would bet that he’ll definitely have a marketplace, for sure, people are gonna want him to come play football for them — we’re one of those teams,” said Snead, adding that the process could take some time. “… But I can say, too, agents will call (and) we’ll start engineering and designing kind of a blueprint, more of a timeline of communication so that each step of the way they know where we stand.”

    The Rams may need a right guard, or a center, or both. Even if they are able to keep Dotson, continuing to add for the future along the offensive line is important and should be a priority for a team that learned the hard way in 2022 what could happen if multiple linemen got hurt at once.

    It’s important to remember that just because the Rams have resources again, it doesn’t mean they will burn through them all or over-extend their long-term financial plans in the case of a competitive contract discussion. Both Snead and coach Sean McVay have reiterated this point through the start of the offseason. Don’t be surprised if the Rams aren’t splashy in the early days and weeks of free agency.

    2. Re-invest resources into 2 premier positions and 1 ‘abnormal’ position

    The Rams historically have viewed a couple of positions as “premier,” meaning they are comfortable putting a lot of financial resources and/or draft capital there whether the player was developed in-house or acquired in a trade: outside linebacker/pass rush, quarterback, cornerback and, in very rare cases, receiver (Cooper Kupp, who was also a homegrown player).

    In 2023, they stayed young and/or financially disciplined at those spots, particularly pass rusher and cornerback. Rookie Byron Young emerged as a starting outside linebacker with a bright future. Elsewhere, there are clear holes to fill. The Rams badly need another pass rusher on the outside and this year could afford to go the “veteran at the end of first contract/free agent” route for the right player. It could be argued that they need two cornerbacks, too. They have had success with a “pay one, draft and develop the other” strategy with their outside corners.

    One position outside their typical team-building model that could merit a rare contract extension is inside linebacker. Ernest Jones has emerged as a team captain and core leader of the defense. Jones is entering the final year of his contract.

    “Obviously he’s someone who is a very important part of that defense for many reasons, definitely the leader of the defense,” Snead said of the 2021 third-round draft pick. “In the past, obviously we’ve been invested in some other positions. But I think as we evolve, and as teams evolve, there are times where you may be less invested at a certain position than you were in the past and one of your better players is an inside linebacker. So, he’s definitely someone we’ll discuss and definitely someone we’d like to have around.”

    3. Have the hard conversation about future at offensive skill positions 

    The Rams got great production from their three offensive skill spots in 2023 from a combination of veterans and young players (even if one, tight end, was more blocking-centric in a re-invented run scheme). Still, significant injuries at running back, receiver and tight end should give reason to deeply evaluate all of those positions, and continue to invest in them.

    At running back, second-team All Pro Kyren Williams missed four games to an ankle injury. Williams was a legitimate star for the Rams in 2023, should be again in 2024 and his presence on the field made a huge difference in their overall production:

    Rams offense: With and without Kyren Williams
    ACTIVE OFF THE FIELD/REST
    EPA/Play
    +0.159
    -0.153
    Success Rate
    47.8%
    38.4%

    Ronnie Rivers and Royce Freeman were capable backups to Williams but Rivers also missed time with an injury. The Rams have continuously supplemented this position via the middle to later rounds of the draft. Williams is deservedly their lead rusher, but because the position is not one they have financially invested in since 2018, continuing to draft and develop a year or two in advance may be important. This might mean picking up a young running back every offseason — that has certainly been their pattern over the last few years.

    Meanwhile, tight end is a question after veteran Tyler Higbee tore his ACL and MCL from a low hit by Detroit safety Kerby Joseph in the wild-card loss. Higbee will miss spring workouts and could potentially even miss a chunk of training camp. The only other healthy tight end with any game experience — who is not a free agent in 2024 — is Davis Allen, a rookie in 2023 who showed a lot of promise.

    Finally, after his Triple Crown season in 2021, Kupp has battled multi-week injuries in 2022 (ankle) and 2023 (hamstring, ankle). Rookie Puka Nacua emerged as the No. 1 receiver even when Kupp returned to the field after missing the first four games. Kupp and the Rams need a healthy 2024, and he still holds a crucial role for the offense on and off the field — but the Rams also have to keep filling out this room in light of his injury issues, Nacua’s physical style of play and No. 4 receiver Tutu Atwell entering a contract year.

    4. Continue draft momentum 

    This is obvious, sure — but if the Rams can bring in a second consecutive solid draft class in 2024, they’ll have even more financial flexibility over the next three to five years. A cheap, talented roster core compiled from strong drafts in succession means the freedom to take big swings at high-value positions, and even the potential to extend homegrown talent when the time comes. It also means critical depth even if the roster eventually gets top-heavy again!

    5. Patience in filling potential staff openings 

    Defensive coordinator Raheem Morris reportedly has second interviews this week with the Atlanta Falcons, Carolina Panthers, Washington Commanders and Seattle Seahawks for their head coaching positions. The Rams’ executives, many current and former players, McVay and even opposing coaches such as Kyle Shanahan have all made strong and public endorsements over the last several weeks for Morris to get one of those positions. McVay has noted that he would “hate” to lose Morris, one of his best friends as well as a colleague who often takes on a “co-head coach” role.

    Defensive line coach Eric Henderson accepted a position as the defensive line coach/co-defensive coordinator at USC shortly after the Rams’ season ended.

    Meanwhile, pass game coordinator/quarterbacks coach Zac Robinson will reportedly interview with the New England Patriots, Pittsburgh Steelers and Las Vegas Raiders for their open offensive coordinator jobs, while tight ends coach Nick Caley will also interview with the Patriots for the OC job.

    McVay took his time when filling his coaching staff last offseason, and said last week he hoped for continuity (though recognized some would have opportunities for advancement elsewhere). He’ll wait until he knows whether Morris is getting a head coaching job before filling the defensive line coach opening, though mentioned young assistant A.C. Carter as an in-house possibility. If Robinson gets a job, in-house candidates to replace him could include K.J. Black and/or Jake Peetz.

    The Rams’ staff played a crucial role in the sound development of their rookie class and even many of their second-year players. McVay remaining patient and casting a wide net if he has to replace anybody is important.

    One big question

    Do the Rams draft a quarterback this year?

    CALM DOWN, people. This is not a suggestion to replace Matthew Stafford in 2024, after a remarkable 2023 season and the expectation he’ll again have a clean bill of health heading into the offseason. The Rams seemed to study a successful blueprint — Seattle’s 2021 offseason — when embarking on their sprint-rebuild of 2023. It’s fair to wonder if they’ll study another (and very familiar) one in the Green Bay Packers, who identified quarterback Jordan Love as a late first-round pick in 2020, and sat him for a couple years behind a veteran star. Coaching, patience and quarterback skill level have all married together and Love is now the future at the position in Green Bay, and growing alongside a young team that won’t incur large cap space in the next couple of years.

    The Rams don’t have a clear backup quarterback, with Carson Wentz scheduled to be a free agent and uncertainty over whether Stetson Bennett will return from the non-football/illness list. Bennett was drafted in the fourth round last spring with solidifying the long-term backup spot in mind.

    The Rams are committed to Stafford in 2024, and he to them. As long as he’s feeling good, their offense is in great shape. If he’s this healthy for a consecutive season, it would even be logical to have the conversation about him playing into his very late 30s. But is this the year they start thinking about what happens after that?

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    in reply to: Question for zn/zooey #148977
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    Try an historical one. Ask about the Faulk trade or something like that.

    Okay, I will. I will fart around with this, but I don’t have a timeline for this project. When I read the line, “My knowledge is up to date only until January 2022,” I smelled bullshit. I’ll go back and ask, but I don’t think it could say anything intelligent about the OL scheme prior to Jan 2022, either. Sometimes AI just plain old makes shit up.

    In my first encounter, I fed it a prompt that I thought it simply couldn’t do, and it did okay with it, but it completely lied about the word count of the essay. Other people have reported that it has invented sources when required to provide them. So…it doesn’t appear to be above “making shit up.”

    I will play more with it later.

    in reply to: the division playoff games #148951
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    The #Bills attempted a fake punt with Damar Hamlin early in the 4th quarter while trailing by 3, and it failed. A momentum swing.

    Yeah, and the Chiefs fumbled out of the end zone, or else that game would have been over a lot sooner. That rule has to change. That’s a bad rule, imo. Take it back to the spot of the fumble, or the 3-yard line, or whatever, but a touchback makes no sense.

    in reply to: the division playoff games #148950
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    Baltimore slaughtered both teams in the regular season. Ravens over Lions at home, 38-6. Ravens over 9ers on the road, 33-19. Not predicting anything, just pointing out how the story looks so far.

    Welp, my final act in Las Vegas was to put a hundred bucks on the Ravens at +300.

    in reply to: Question for zn/zooey #148947
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    Well, this isn’t a good example, but here’s what I got on my first attempt:

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    Explain how the Los Angeles Rams changed their offensive line philosophy this season as opposed to 2022, and evaluate how well the change in their scheme worked.
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    I don’t have real-time information on specific changes made by the Los Angeles Rams to their offensive line philosophy for the current season or 2022. My knowledge is up to date only until January 2022. For the latest updates on the Rams’ offensive line changes and their performance in the current season, I recommend checking recent sports news, team announcements, or official statements from the Los Angeles Rams organization.

    If you have any other general questions or if there’s a specific aspect of the Rams’ history or performance that I can provide information on, feel free to ask!

    in reply to: Question for zn/zooey #148928
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    You know what might be fun in this thread to add to the discussion? Ask AI a question about the Rams that all of us know is nuanced and important, and then post what AI says. A question like how did Kyren Williams help the Rams improve their game in the second half of the season. People in the thread would see from such a post that no actual person would ever write that way.

    I’m on board. Start a thread, and I will contribute to it after I think about this for a few minutes.

    in reply to: Question for zn/zooey #148919
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    I don’t know what zn means by “invariably AI writing is going to do things I openly and clearly and very specifically don’t allow.”

    You basically summed it up. You cannot prove a paper is written by AI but you can tell it is. And virtually everything AI writing does that is bad, and doesn’t work as decent writing, is something you can grade down for being poor writing.

    At the beginning of each term, I hand out a rubric I developed that I use to assess all writing. Then I pass out a student essay for them to grade, using the rubric. Then I poll the class to see how everyone scored it, and we discuss it. I do that with 3 papers. The 3 papers are pretty bad. The best one is a C-, and the students often ask to see a good paper, and for the hell of it, I fed the prompt into ChatGPT, and passed out the results. I was very curious what they would make of it because the fluency and conventions were very strong. Well-written and mistake free. But it was full of lofty generalities, and it didn’t directly answer the prompt. One of my classes spotted right away that it had no ideas in it, but I had to point it out to my other class, and explain how the paper didn’t say anything, even if it said nothing pretty well.

    in reply to: the division playoff games #148918
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    Ah well. SF pulls it out. They dont look unbeatable anymore though, do they. w v

    Which only makes the Rams’ loss to the Lions more frustrating. The NFC is ripe for the taking.

    Yeah, the Rams should be in Tampa today, and then preparing to host the Packers in the title game. The blabbers would have liked to talk about the 6 seed hosting the 7 for the NFC championship.

    in reply to: setting up the Division Playoff games #148862
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    If the Ravens win, I recoup all the money I lost on everything else. Well…almost.

    Don’t gamble, children. It’s bad.

    in reply to: comics, jokes, one-shot memes, funny tweets, etc. #148853
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    Okay, I just watched that video on Normal Voices, and you know how youtube always prompts you to watch more videos after the one you are watching is over? Mine is usually populated with NFL videos and stuff about Fallacy and Socrates and so on.

    Today…it’s all about stripper stories, and “how to” hire escorts and not get scammed by prostitutes and stuff. All sex industry videos.

    I don’t use youtube much in the classroom, but I do occasionally. It’s embarrassing enough that NFL videos show up, but I can’t show a video and have this crap come on the screen.

    Weird that youtube not only knows where I’ve been, but makes assumptions about why I was there. Also interesting it didn’t make a correlation between my obvious interest in football and the fact that Las Vegas is a gambling city. It just changed the subject to naughty sex stuff.

    in reply to: Tom Tomorrow #148852
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    in reply to: if you read nothing else on this page #148845
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    If you read nothing else on this page, be sure and read the big article I just posted (1/15 6 PM et) in this thread: tweets & reporters & the big articles

    Sorry. I was in Las Vegas. Just got back. Did anything important happen while I was gone?

    in reply to: who wins? your prediction #148759
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    I’m heading over to the Mirage right now to collect my winnings on the Rams +3.

    Well done.

    Well, I lost on Williams scoring a TD, but I’m still up $40.

    I’m not ever betting on the Rams again, though. It affects how I watch the game. I remember now that’s why I quit playing fantasy football a couple of decades ago. I just don’t need the extra concerns. I just want to watch the game.

    in reply to: our reactions to the Lions game #148758
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    Moving forward I am excited to see upgrades in the secondary. It would also be nice to see Hoecht and Jonah Williams replaced. Another threat at wide receiver might be needed if Kupp has some sort of long term injury. Fun season.

    I can’t help but wonder how that game would have gone if the Rams had Ramsey.

    Hoecht improved in pass rush over the year, and hustled after plays, but seemed a liability in coverage. That’s all “live” opinion, as in, I haven’t watched any film on him. Just fast and furious live action where I’m watching the whole thing, not focused on any particular player.

    in reply to: Higbee hurt in the game (confirmed, and it’s bad) #148739
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    Yeah, I don’t know if we will see him next year. That looked bad.

    in reply to: our reactions to the Lions game #148711
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    The Lions “out-physicaled” the Rams. The

    through tackles throughout the entire first half, busted up Stafford, Nacua, Williams, and Higbee. Just beat them up.

    The Rams won the 2nd half, but fell short.

    Zero turnovers.

    Bummer. That was a winnable game, but that’s the end of it.

    Puka Nacua.  Good lord. I’d like to think, “Just wait until next year,” but I don’t see how he can improve on his game. Like… how?

    Hopefully Kupp comes back full strength.

    in reply to: who wins? your prediction #148708
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    I’m heading over to the Mirage right now to collect my winnings on the Rams +3.

    in reply to: who wins? your prediction #148690
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    Only to find out he’s a degenerate gambler.

    Okay, degenerate maybe.

    But not a gambler.

    Kyren Williams is going to score a TD today.

    And just to make you guys super jealous…here’s the view outside my hotel window.

    in reply to: around the league, wild card week #148679
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    Stroud made some THROWS.

    I’ve changed my mind on Stroud after coming across more information about him. He’s the ROY, in spite of Nacua’s epic season. My son told me last night, for instance, that Stroud led the league in TD/INT ratio AND in avg yards/game this season, and that’s only been done twice in NFL history by a QB: Montana in ’89, and Brady in ’07 (the 16-0 season).

    That’s ridiculous.

    in reply to: who wins? your prediction #148678
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    Well, since I arrived in Las Vegas yesterday morning, I am going to have to put some money where my mouth is. My wife is encouraging me to. She grew up in a family that would take a run up to Reno once or twice a year to play in some damn tournament, or other, and she has fond memories of taking buckets of her grandma’s nickles and dimes up to the cashier. I hate giving money away for nothing, so my usual approach is to take twenty bucks, and see if I can get 20 minutes or so out of it, and then walk away.

    But McVay’s first year… I KNEW the Rams were better than anybody thought. So I bet something on them and won, and my wife thinks I can just – you know – do that any time I feel like it.

    So the odds on Kyren Williams scoring a TD this game is, like, +140. And since the Lions don’t have a great defense, and the Rams offense is rolling, and Williams is the straw, I think that’s the money-maker for me.

    And I’m also going to take the 3 points, and probably give the money right back, but…maybe not. Maybe the Rams’ll win, and I will be rolling in dough by winning both bets.

    Turnovers. I think that’s going to be more important than Maher. If the Rams are + in turnovers, they win. It’s not their forte this year, unfortunately. But Goff can do it. I know he can. He can throw nutty INTs, and he can drop the ball. I’ve seen it with my own eyes.

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    Looks like some of the staff weren’t helping with the culture. Maybe he got rid of some dicks.

    was that the case though? i think at least in the example of gould i think more than anything it was the experience he brought. samples came in last year as a 28 year old i think. it sounded more like he was in over his head. maybe i’m wrong. maybe samples was more interested in moving up the ladder than being fully invested as a running backs coach. whereas gould – not that he isn’t necessarily trying to promote – but he brings years of experience as an assistant coach. he’s got like thirty years of experience on samples – at various positions. it was a rather abrupt change. i think samples left before the season even ended. i wonder what happened there.

    You are probably right. I went back through the articles where I thought I read that between the lines, and I couldn’t find anything to support that claim. It was mostly Xs and Os, and not attitude. Attitude came through elsewhere, but not in the coaching decisions.

    in reply to: around the league, wild card week #148636
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    Who is this drunk guy?

    in reply to: McVay best Rams coach ever? #148630
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    https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/top-10-nfl-coaches-of-all-time-bill-belichicks-place-among-the-greatest-in-league-history/

     

    10. Curly Lambeau

    9. Joe Gibbs

    8. Tom Landry

    7. Bill Walsh

    6. Chuck Noll

    5. Paul Brown

    4. George Halas

    3. Don Shula

    2. Vince Lombardi

    1. Tommy Prothro

    in reply to: Rams “reset” is ahead of schedule #148629
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    It’s not that the Rams don’t use play-action concepts anymore; there just has been a deemphasis on using them.

    One of the knocks on Stafford when the Rams acquired him was that he didn’t like play action.

    Maybe he knows what he is doing.

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    I think we can ALL agree that Belichick and Brady are both assholes.

    So let’s not lose sight of that when we evaluate their distant rankings below various Rams luminaries.

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    Jourdan Rodrigue@JourdanRodrigue Rams RB Kyren Williams had a good comment on position coach Ron Gould in his first year in the role in the NFL: “He cares a lot about his players … He gives as much to all of us as he does individually to us. He allows me to slow myself down and understand the game that is actually in front of me. … When he got here, he sat me down and (taught) me the game of football. His motto is, ‘understanding leads to control.’ If you understand what you’re doing, you can control the situation depending on you.”

    This ties in with the description of McVay’s revamping of the coaching staff. He deliberately hired guys with a positive attitude and an ability to teach. Looks like some of the staff weren’t helping with the culture. Maybe he got rid of some dicks.

    Looks like everyone is having fun now.

    in reply to: Goff v. Stafford “story lines” #148618
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    One thing you have to respect about Goff is the way he handled the 3-13 year. 2021. Rams win Super Bowl with Stafford. What a kick in the gut. And he just keeps working. w v

    Nobody: The sun never sets on the British Empire.

    Goff: Wait. I thought someone said it sets in the west.

    Yeah, he’s a good chap, old Goff. I hope he strongly rebounds from the most futile performance of his career this Sunday night.

    in reply to: Setting up Lions vs Rams playoff game #148605
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    I wonder what the odds in Vegas are that this will be a forgettable game.

    Seasons and games come and go, and some of them leave an indelible, Instant Recall impression, and the others mush together like a couple of donuts left on a summertime dashboard.

    I think I will have instant recall of this season and of this playoff game 10 years from now.

    in reply to: Setting up Lions vs Rams playoff game #148603
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    That place will be rockin’ and the crowd will be insane. Detroit hasn’t been this excited since Sparky Anderson and Kirk Gibson wore Tiger pinstripes, or when Bill Lambeer made Draymond Green look like a mild mannered basketball player.   Lion’s haven’t won in the playoffs since Plymouths and Pontiacs were rolling off the assembly lines. It’s been a long time. That city and team is starving.

    Yep.

    The Rams can’t afford any mistakes in the 1st quarter.

     

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