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ZooeyModeratorI dunno about the law, but it wouldn’t surprise me if it just got tossed out as “frivolous,” and never saw a courtroom.
January 14, 2016 at 3:23 pm in reply to: Players on moving – Farr, Warner, Bruce x2, Slater, Hekker, Holt, Gurley, Proehl #37282ZooeyModeratorIf this is the same bit I heard live on the radio the other day, Farr said he thought Los Angeles would draw more interest from free agents.
ZooeyModeratorI had season tickets in the coliseum in the 80s.
i don’t really have anything else to add to that.
ZooeyModeratorI liked it, but…damn. It’s the same story.
Yeah. Exactly. Same story,
but i kinda liked it.Friend of mine said he was disappointed
that there weren’t more “Aliens.”
I think i agree. I would have liked to see
some more creativity.w
vDang, it even had a reprise of the famous cantina scene.
ZooeyModeratorWell, unfortunately that comes as no surprise.
Sad end to a sad, wasted life.
Yeah.
And how many stories are there like this that we never hear because they don’t play football.
ZooeyModeratorYep, vote went 30-2, per Sam Farmer of the LA Times as well as on NFL Network.
Super sorry for St. Louisans.
How this impacts Free Agency for the Rams, I dunno.
I do think it may help retain Janoris Jenkins. That’s a real thing. Beyond that, I dunno.
I can’t imagine how St. Louis must feel. I understand once. But to go through the Bidwell stuff, then get a new team that wins the Super Bowl, and then get dumped again in such a brutal way. Man, that is tough.
Yeah, Jenkins made it clear he would love to play in LA.
ZooeyModeratorSaw Star Wars.
I also didnt like the climactic battle plan
near the end — its prettymuch a duplicate
of Star Wars I. I mean, could they not have
written something new?w
vFinally saw it.
Yeah, an orphan kid on a desert planet gets caught up in the rebellion, allies with Han Solo, Leia, a droid with a holographic piece of information, and helps blow up a bigger version of the impossibly big Death Star while discovering the force. While on the mission, her mentor is slain by Darth Vader’s grandson in front of her eyes. It’s not just the ending that is the same. The stories have more in common than they do apart.
I liked it, but…damn. It’s the same story.
ZooeyModeratorWhile Kroenke shat all over St. Louis, I don’t think it damages St. Louis’s chances of hosting an NFL team. It probably damages the chances of them keeping the Rams because everybody can see that relationship is shot. Like a couple where one person really, really wants to break up, there isn’t much point after a while for the partner to keep trying to mend the relationship.
But even of the owners kind of buy into the “St. Louis isn’t fit” argument, the offer just needs to be reshuffled a bit for everyone to look at it afresh. In any event, the question will be “Is St. Louis better than the alternative?” In Kroenke’s case, the answer is No. In someone else’s situation, the answer may be yes.
Not that that should cheer up St. Louis fans. But. Just saying.
January 12, 2016 at 1:04 pm in reply to: Peter King reviews the last playoff games and previews the next set #37032ZooeyModeratorHis foot struck the ball underneath the laces anyway.
He shanked it.
And then later, he and the Vikings
announcers cried.Dont forget the crying
part.w
vOh, I won’t forget the crying part. Unlike baseball, there IS crying in football, and it’s wonderful.
January 12, 2016 at 1:02 pm in reply to: Prisco: Bengals' implosion straight out of the handbook on football stupidity #37031ZooeyModeratorI didn’t get to see the Hawks-Vikings game. That missed FG, hoo boy, that was just awful. How does a pro kicker miss that?
Ask Scott Norwood.
ZooeyModeratorThe thing is, the NFL doesn’t want the Raiders in LA.
No matter what else happens, they are pretty deeply committed to that.
So that just leaves the Rams and the Chargers, and how that is going to work.
Maybe I’m wrong. But we shall see.
January 11, 2016 at 11:02 pm in reply to: Peter King reviews the last playoff games and previews the next set #37003ZooeyModeratorI don’t buy the ‘Laces Theory’, unless the kick is longer than 40 yards. I will buy the choke theory on a gimme.
His foot struck the ball underneath the laces anyway.
He shanked it.
January 11, 2016 at 4:54 pm in reply to: Prisco: Bengals' implosion straight out of the handbook on football stupidity #36981ZooeyModeratorIf the Rams can’t be involved in the playoffs, then I just want to see lots of disgrace and humiliation
Yes, yes a million times yes.
What if it ends like last season with the Patriots winning the super bowl?
People have been banned for saying things less offensive than that, bnw.
January 11, 2016 at 1:11 pm in reply to: From the archives: Kroenke's pledge to keep the Rams in St. Louis #36975ZooeyModeratorStan’s getting excoriated in the press here, by everybody. Business leaders, government leaders, fans, media … it’s what you’d expect, I guess. There is some very strong vitriol, and most of it comes from that scathing attack on STL as a viable market. I don’t see how Stan can show his face in Missouri again, not that he plans to.
Well, in a diabolical way that works ‘for’ him.
I mean, he can argue to the NFL that relations
are so poisoned and hostile now in St.Louis that
he cant possibly be expected to stay.w
vWorse than that he does it at the expense of St. Louis getting another team. StanK salted the field. St. Louis is the Carthage of the NFL.
Nah, he is just making the public cough up another $100 million.
January 11, 2016 at 12:36 pm in reply to: Prisco: Bengals' implosion straight out of the handbook on football stupidity #36971ZooeyModeratorI loved it.
A great weekend.
If the Rams can’t be involved in the playoffs, then I just want to see lots of disgrace and humiliation. And I got all that this weekend. The first game is a blowout. The Steelers-Bengals game is now infamous for the complete boneheaded meltdown. No way Pittsburgh wins that game after that interception. Pittsburgh LOST that game, and Cincy gave it back to them. A thing of beauty.
Then the Seahawks lose. That’s a game I want BOTH teams to lose, and they both complied with my wishes, something I didn’t even know was technically possible. But the Seahawks disgracefully gag that game up, only to have Minnesota regurgitate it right back. Again, I give that game 10 stars out of 5 possible.
And how can you not love watching Washington get pummeled, and RGIII saying sad goodbyes to the ball-wipers and chalk dispensers.
I had a BEEyoutiful weekend.
ZooeyModeratorBoth Washington AND Minnesota losing in the playoffs on the same day?
Beautiful.
Could not have scripted a better ending.
Seattle gags up the game. Just totally has the game won, and they gag it up.
Only to have Minnesota gag up even worse, and puke the game right back in their lap.
Both teams lost through ineptitude.
Classic. Thing of beauty.
ZooeyModeratorBetter than Giunta, I think.
ZooeyModeratorlooks like they got at least 4 starters out of this class? possibly the foundation of a brand new offense?
shoot. if mannion pans out…
If Mannion pans out….
I dunno what that means. Steve Young played in the USFL for a couple of years, then went to Tampa for a couple of years, then sat behind Montana for a couple of years. Then he panned out.
Rodgers sat behind Favre I dunno how long. Brady sat behind Bledsoe for a couple years.
I dunno.
Go Mannion! Cuz it fer shur ain’t Foles, and it ain’t Keenum.
January 9, 2016 at 3:11 pm in reply to: Bucs fire Lovie, Coughlin resigns, which naturally leads to Fisher discussion #36889ZooeyModeratorYeah, draft another QB. I hope the Answer is Mannion, but draft a QB.
As for Foles, he is a nice guy. Good luck, Nick, in whatever you do next.
January 8, 2016 at 4:51 pm in reply to: Kroenke Building Stadium No Matter What (relocation thread) #36849ZooeyModeratorpdf: STATEMENT OF REASONS IN SUPPORT OF THE RAMS’ APPLICATION TO RELOCATE TO LOS ANGELES
http://media.trb.com/media/acrobat/2016-01/23763808665200-05180540.pdf
Out of curiosity.
Where did you obtain that link/document?
Because the link is now dead.
I find that interesting. I don’t know what it means. But I find it interesting.
ZooeyModeratorYeah, I don’t know how anyone can complain about Snead. Just go back and look at the Martz and Linehan era drafts. This team was historically empty of talent. They had 50 players to acquire.
January 8, 2016 at 1:01 am in reply to: 101, 1/7 … Mike Mayock (on playoffs & Foles), & Martz (on relocation & Rams O) #36798ZooeyModeratorJanuary 7, 2016 at 2:01 pm in reply to: Bucs fire Lovie, Coughlin resigns, which naturally leads to Fisher discussion #36758ZooeyModeratorThe Bucs are an embarrassment. Lovie should have gotten a third year. Even worse, Jeff Fisher, who should be fired, is still the Head Coach.
My bet is that Fisher works out just fine this year.
Unless of course he once more has to deal with both a qb problem and OL issues (including youth and injuries). Cause those were the real cause of the record. IMO scapegoating the coach for that isn’t good football business.
Furthermore, I think there is value in continuity. Teams that constantly start over win less than teams that have continuity. And it’s Kroneke’s style to keep his team stable, so I never thought he WOULD fire Fisher. Whether he should or not is a fair question, but I’m still in favor of keeping Fisher and Snead. They have put together a lot of talent, and it hasn’t produced a winner because of the QBs. And even if you want to blame Snisher for the Foles disaster, I think that’s the only thing that they’ve really screwed up in four years.
ZooeyModeratorYeah, well, I don’t think he has any fans. I hope they don’t think that getting a new receivers coach is the answer. Pretty sure most of us just want the guy off the roster.
January 7, 2016 at 1:40 pm in reply to: From the archives: Kroenke's pledge to keep the Rams in St. Louis #36756ZooeyModeratorSure, he’ll say that.
I would say that he attempted much harder to find a way to get to L.A. than he has to find a way to stay in St. Louis. He stopped taking phone calls from the STL Mayor and MO Governor. At the same time, he was working with Inglewood’s Mayor. I mean, people aren’t stupid. It’s easy to see through.
Pretty easy to see through the argument that he has done his damnedest to build a team, spending to the cap every year, and STILL no fans come to the games. As if, you know, fans buy tickets to watch owners spend to the cap. I mean…I don’t even know how he could include that argument without being ashamed of himself. Not even his friends are going to fail to notice that his team hasn’t been worth buying tickets for in ten years.
ZooeyModeratorNOT THE STRENGTH AND CONDITIONING COACH!
Here we go again….
January 6, 2016 at 8:07 pm in reply to: Kroenke Building Stadium No Matter What (relocation thread) #36731ZooeyModeratorNice responses, guys.
On Mr. KroenkeCo, yeah, he might not take anything personally. But, I’ve seen some corporate whackos make irrational decisions based on being dissed. “Cross me? OK, now you pay.” They never think they do it to their own detriment. But, I think it happens. In this case, SK is turning the Asshole Owner up to 11. How many owners flat-out refuse to talk to local media? How many would refuse to take calls from the Mayor and the Governor?
Really.
The tenor changed suddendly at some point. It may have just been the exact time that he realized L.A. was doable, and nothing else. That, I could see as well. But, man, the way he’s crapping on the city on the way out … smells personal.
But Kroenke doesn’t talk to the media in Denver. Or about Arsenal FC. Kroenke doesn’t talk to the media about anything, anywhere.
January 6, 2016 at 3:16 pm in reply to: Kroenke Building Stadium No Matter What (relocation thread) #36706ZooeyModeratorI’m wondering if somewhere along the way that SK felt disrespected in this process …
I really don’t know how L.A. fans like Joe could go through this type of thing and still follow the Rams so closely. If there’s anything that will keep me following, it could be this bunch of fans on this board right here. I can’t say that for sure, because honestly I get busy and I’m very stingy with my time.
And, really, as I get older, sports becomes less and less important to me. .. There are much worse things that can happen to you than to lose an NFL franchise (a second time).
I don’t think it’s a matter of disrespect with Stan. I don’t think anything is personal with him. It is all business. The man’s entire life has been business deals, making money. That’s what he does. He is one of those guys who is simply a Borg of Business. He is literally a Multi-national Corporation in human form. Corporations aren’t sentimental. St. Louis is simply a market. Los Angeles is a market. For Kroenkeco, Los Angeles is a better place to build Empire than St. Louis is. It is that simple.
And I agree with WV in the sense that his argument is entirely “legal” rather than emotional. There’s no name-calling or anything personal. It is “scorched earth” in the sense that he argues that St. Louis is entirely deficient as a marketplace. He doesn’t stop with just saying, “The dome isn’t 1st tier.” He wants to move. So he pulled out all the stops, and presented the most damning argument he could against St. Louis, and the most favorable argument he could towards his Inglewood project. If he pulled punches anywhere, it was on Carson.
And I fully agree with you on “time,” and on priorities. I have other things to do, too, things that matter. And sports…as much fun as they are…the longer I live, the more I am disappointed. My heart got broken on the scoreboard many times when I was a kid. And I saw my favorite players leave as free agents, and I saw rule changes I didn’t like, and traditions discarded, and the commodification of everything, and the price of paraphernalia and tickets skyrocket, and games get harder to watch on TV, and teams move away from loyal fans, and strikes, and lockouts, and replacement players, and it all just takes a toll. There are far, far more ways to be disappointed in sports than there are ways to find happiness. Only one team wins each year. Everyone else experiences some level of disappointment.
Bu you are certainly right when you say there are worse things that can happen to you.
I follow the Rams even when they are down, but if not for this band of brothers posting here, I wouldn’t spend as much time on them as I do.
You know, I think a lot of fans treat their fandom like a religion, and they cast disdain on “bandwagon” fans, and all that. I just am not wired that way. And I think all the disappointment in my teams, the owners, the management, the league, has just taught me that I should treat my loyalty the same way the owners treat their teams. I mean…Stan (and hosts of other owners before him) has shown he doesn’t care about the fans per se. Owners believe they don’t owe us anything. So I don’t see why we owe them anything. I don’t understand sports as religion. It’s a business arrangement. And if they provide a crappy product, I don’t have to give it my money. I’m NOT paying to watch the games, and I’m not paying $185 for a shirt that cost them $4 to make in China.
When the Rams left LA, I had to decide if I was dropping them as a fan or not. I, like other nomads, decided the zip code of their stadium wasn’t as important to me as the team and the history of it that I grew up with, and internalized. It was important, but not THAT important. To me. But “home” team was never a thing for me, since none of the teams I root for are local. Anyway, I just realized that the Rams are part of me. And I wasn’t going to let them take that from me. That was my decision. I just decided – as much as I didn’t want them to move – that geography was less important to me than other things.
January 6, 2016 at 10:44 am in reply to: Kroenke Building Stadium No Matter What (relocation thread) #36697ZooeyModeratorStan has taken a scorched earth policy.
Yeah, he completely set fire to St. Louis, not just for the Rams, but he argues that it is a losing business proposition for any team.
I don’t know, of course, what the counterarguments are on the economic issues surrounding the stadium and the city, but he clearly burned every bridge behind him. Wow.
I don’t know what his Plan B is, but it isn’t St. Louis.
January 6, 2016 at 12:14 am in reply to: Kroenke Building Stadium No Matter What (relocation thread) #36674ZooeyModeratorWell, well, well. The Rams did their homework in preparing that argument. And they pretty thoroughly blast the riverfront stadium proposal. Their argument that the stadium proposal in St. Louis is a terrible deal surprised me, but if what they say is true…. Man. That was quite a read.
“The RSA Task Force’s post-arbitration proposal now is that the Rams can have a non-First Tier stadium if, but only if, the Rams and other private parties fund more than 70 percent of the
costs and assume all project risk, operating expenses and provide a venue for a
professional soccer team to compete with the Rams for corporate revenue
opportunities.
The NFL and its Member Clubs should not relieve municipal stadium
authorities of their contractual commitments to the detriment of a Member Club.
This is bad business, and an interference with a Member Club’s contract rights.” -
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