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ZooeyModerator—————————————
LaramieYou can grind it out all day but it’s gonna take more plays which increases the odds for error.
If I have a superior pass game, I don’t need as many possessions.
We’ll see how it all plays out, but I’m usually pretty dialed in on the Rams.
=================For someone who claims to be dialed into the Rams he’s missed the main goal (besides winning) of Fisher’s system. That is he wants a ball control offense to keep the other teams defense on the field and wore down by the 4th quarter. The assumption is our defense will be better rested and able to keep our offense within 7 points of the lead starting their final game winning drive while running out the clock.
I think even Ray Charles can see what Fisher wants to do.
Again a superior pass offense doesn’t need as many possessions to score.
Who were the rb’s for the last 5 SB winners? Quick name them??
Exactly.
Okay. But there was no way they were going to get a superior pass offense in this draft.
Gurley was there at 10. Cooper and White were gone. And Foles…well…he isn’t Warner. Who also was unavailable at 10.
ZooeyModeratorAgain it doesn’t have to be an ACL. As serious an injury as an ACL. Any of those four enter the league as injured as Gurley? The Rams have such great need other places and RB wasn’t one. An injured one at that. Great expectations for TA which haven’t materialized is this deja vu? Is this what our draft board does for the offense? Will this extend the Rams streak of 11 years since a first round pick on offense has been worth it? This pick makes my stomach churn.
Whom would you have taken? Waynes? Peat? Parker?
I do not follow the draft unless our first pick is very early as to be reasonably predicted like Bradford first overall or Long at 2nd overall. RB was not an area of need. O-line immediately comes to mind.
Well, the next OL taken was Peat. And a lot of guys on this board don’t like Peat.
I don’t know, cuz I don’t watch college ball, and don’t watch film.
But my position is that criticizing the pick of Gurley is pointless if you don’t have a better idea.
I didn’t have Gurley on my radar AT ALL. He never occurred to me. But the only guys I liked the look of were already gone by the time the Rams picked.
So when they took Gurley, I looked around and saw nobody I could make a case for as a better choice. And the pick warmed on me.
May 18, 2015 at 7:48 pm in reply to: The Lawrence Philips mini-series (not literally, just a metaphor) #24805ZooeyModeratorThings are never easy, are they?
This right here is exactly why I would never want to have the job of a judge.
I will say this.
My compassion level for Phillips just went up. I find that’s what information often does to early judgement.
I don’t know, man. Tragedy. The whole story. Just tragedy.
May 18, 2015 at 7:13 pm in reply to: a surprise or 2 on the new official depth chart? (granted it's early n all…) #24804ZooeyModeratorYeah. An LT that struggled mightily last season, a rookie LG, an unknown commodity at center, an injury prone RG and a rookie RT.
The potential for disaster with this oline is staggering.
You know, the invitations I sent out to all my friends to come to the Rams Pep Rally BBQ this weekend? I think I got the date wrong on yours, so you should just stay home…until I figure out the right date.
Sorry for the inconvenience.
ZooeyModeratorAgain it doesn’t have to be an ACL. As serious an injury as an ACL. Any of those four enter the league as injured as Gurley? The Rams have such great need other places and RB wasn’t one. An injured one at that. Great expectations for TA which haven’t materialized is this deja vu? Is this what our draft board does for the offense? Will this extend the Rams streak of 11 years since a first round pick on offense has been worth it? This pick makes my stomach churn.
Whom would you have taken? Waynes? Peat? Parker?
May 18, 2015 at 1:58 pm in reply to: a surprise or 2 on the new official depth chart? (granted it's early n all…) #24773ZooeyModerator<span class=”d4pbbc-font-color” style=”color: blue”>You guys do realize that that isn’t an official depth chart?</span>
It claims to be official.
But even if it IS official, it doesn’t mean much. Just a snapshot in time.
ZooeyModeratorWe aren’t talking about how to get Benny Cunningham more involved in the offense. Austin is discussed this way because of our expectations of the guy.
I think Wagoner is right about the owners’ meetings. Moving the File to Move date up seems very likely to me to be the next move in this game which – I agree – ends with the Rams in LA next year, and the Chargers a year or two after that.
Interesting word choice: “macabre.”
ZooeyModeratorIt seems to me that going all in on the pass rush is a good idea, especially given the point LA makes later that the NFL has tilted everything towards passing, away from rushing anyway. And that doesn’t mean that the Rams are not trying to cover as well, in spite of the addition of Ayers (who – I will take his word for it – can’t cover). They invested heavily in secondary last year, both in the draft, and in UDFA, and a couple of those guys red-shirted. So the development of the secondary this year will be one aspect of the Rams that I will have an eye on. We have Gaines and Joyner up-and-coming, and this year we should see what Bryant and Roberson can do. I do think their LBs are limited, and probably the least imposing unit on the team. They are serviceable, but no wrecking crew.
I think Gurley was a great decision at 10. I’ve yet to see anybody offer another name that was on the board at that point who could arguably have made as big a difference. His presence will make Foles and the passing game better both by making the defense worry about more things, and by his own value as a receiver. Want a better passing game? Get Gurley. Nobody else on the board would have helped the passing game more at that point. And while running the ball may very well mean more plays to score, Gurley doesn’t fumble. And running with Gurley is a lower risk than throwing to anybody. I just don’t agree that the Gurley addition will make a drive more likely to make a mistake. On the contrary. I think he immediately becomes the guy on the Rams that defenses have to gameplan for.
ZooeyModeratorHe’s a punt returner.
I don’t agree.
He does catch passes, and does do a combo of things in the passing game. IMO he is only a “failure” in that regard if someone expected him to be a pure receiver.
He also can run the ball out of the backfield.
And he can also return punts.
He can do those things, yes. A few times a game.
I see him as a poor man’s Amp Lee.
ZooeyModeratorHe’s a punt returner.
ZooeyModeratorI liked him too, though I hardly have watched him. I’ve seen fewer than 100 shows, I would guess. But I saw enough to think more highly of him than any other late night host, including Carson, who was great.
Letterman had a knack for pointing out that the mundane and facile could be entertaining if you just had enough sense of humor yourself. That combined with the acerbic wit you point out…he covered the gamut. He was amused, and he amused us.
ZooeyModeratorGurley Men.
May 13, 2015 at 3:25 pm in reply to: Tom Brady Suspended Four Games + Patriots Docked 2 Draft Picks #24504ZooeyModeratorThe NFL has screwed up a lot of discipline.
That’s true.
And irrelevant.
ZooeyModeratorHoly crap.
I would expect that kind of expectation only from a Rams fan. I doubt even most of the Rams beat writers would rate them that highly.
I like them.
I think they have a young corps that is now hitting its stride. I could really see this team taking off. I thought they were ready to step up last year until Bradford was lost, and the OL got wiped out. Again.But now there is hope that with stability in schemes, and with some experience, this young, young team could elevate itself this year.
I like them better than the Cardinals and 9ers.Yeah, its an interesting ranking.
I think they got it right, btw. Thats about
right where I’d put them.
They certainly have the talent to be right
there in the 9 or 10 win range, fighting
for a playoff spot.w
vI agree with that. I think they are right, too. I am just very surprised anybody nationally thinks that. Given the usual level of ignorance we see nationally.
ZooeyModeratorHoly crap.
I would expect that kind of expectation only from a Rams fan. I doubt even most of the Rams beat writers would rate them that highly.
I like them.
I think they have a young corps that is now hitting its stride. I could really see this team taking off. I thought they were ready to step up last year until Bradford was lost, and the OL got wiped out. Again.
But now there is hope that with stability in schemes, and with some experience, this young, young team could elevate itself this year.
I like them better than the Cardinals and 9ers.
May 12, 2015 at 6:17 pm in reply to: Tom Brady Suspended Four Games + Patriots Docked 2 Draft Picks #24473ZooeyModerator4. NBC broadcaster Bob Costas
“I think [Brady] mishandled it with the league, and he also mishandled it in the court of public opinion,” Costas said on the Today show on Tuesday. “Think back, if he just said this: ‘Look, we all look for an edge. I like the football at the lowest possible end of what’s allowable. I communicated that to the equipment guys. If they went a bit overboard, I’m sorry, my bad,’ See you later.”
I think that’s about right.
At the time the story broke, everybody was saying that it didn’t affect the outcome. If Brady had said something like what Costas suggests, the punishment wouldn’t have been as severe, and he would have survived the court of public opinion. I would have still thought he was a liar because I don’t think those equipment guys would have done that without his blessing, but I think most people would have just let it go.
I don’t feel sorry for him. And Kraft can go blow himself. It’s just too bad Belichek isn’t dragged into this more.
But now they are busted TWICE for cheating. It taints their accomplishments. Boston fans can feel victimized all they want, but they will never hear the end of it.
May 11, 2015 at 11:44 am in reply to: Waufle Ball: The Ways and Means of a Defensive Line Coach #24430ZooeyModeratorSacks/Stuffs doesnt seem to have much
relationship to winning, if the top
of that chart is any indication.w
vOne also needs to score points.
ZooeyModeratorHeatin’ up a bit
Well, Brady got a fourth ring. I doubt
if he even cares that much about missing
some regular season games. He got his Ring,
and he’ll still be around for the Pats usual
playoff run. The money wont matter to him at this point.w
vThe reputation will.
He could potentially become a Barry Bonds.
Tom Brady Asterisk.
ZooeyModerator661 yards and 1 TD in two seasons.
I’d prefer a receiver who was kept less of a secret.
ZooeyModeratorI am guessing he wont be in the lineup till
mid-season or so. But what do i know.That means he’ll only get a thousand yards next year.
w
vWell, just so long as the Rams win the Super Bowl, I’m okay with that.
ZooeyModeratorVikings dumped some OL today, I saw.
ZooeyModeratorI hope for the best but I feel people are getting too far ahead with optimism considering he’s recovering from an ACL. If Mason ends up keeping the job what an expensive and waste of another first round pick.
Yes, it is said it takes 2 years to recover 100%. Since he was hurt in November, he would have to be well ahead of schedule to be 100% at the beginning of the 2016 season.
He doesn’t, however, have to be 100% to play or be effective. But you are right to remind us of caution. I don’t see how he can start the season, really.
ZooeyModeratorThe reports are saying Collins wants to play OT for a contender.
Wow. Collins want to play for a good team.
Bystanders are stunned.
Most people thought he would go for the team with the prettiest colors, or the most loyal fan base.
Collins wants to play for a contender?
Wow.
ZooeyModeratorWord around the campfire is that the Jets already had Gurley pegged @ #6. But when the Skins passed on L. Williams, they did a 180 and drafted the most talented player in the draft. Bowles just couldn’t help himself.
Well, if the Jets wanted him, that can’t be good.
ZooeyModeratorAnd it appears that every OL the Rams drafted this year has that “mauler” mentality. They all just keep going, and keep hitting people.
I tell you, that kind of mindset makes up for talent deficiencies. Obviously, you would like both in a player, but I think I’d rather sacrifice some size or length or technique for attitude, then get another Barron.
And Greg Robinson was described the same way. In the 4th quarter, if you have an OL that just keeps on hitting, they are just going to wear guys down.
May 5, 2015 at 8:19 pm in reply to: now that the dust has settled a bit, how do you feel about this draft? #24153ZooeyModeratorI think the “identity” aspect of this is overblown a little bit. While it is easy to draw a “run it down their throats” theme to this draft, I don’t think that was really the intent. It looks that way. But if this had been a typical draft with an LB here, and an OL there, it wouldn’t have been so easily categorized even though it would have been building a Fisher team in equally the same way. Just not one aspect of it all at once.
It fell out that way.
The Rams entered the off season with two primary needs: OL and a QB of the future. There are other things they could have used, but that’s what they NEEDED.
Then Gurley was there. And it looks like a “run it down their throats” draft.
ZooeyModeratorEveryone they drafted is a system fit. I don’t have any problem with anything they did. It’s clear what the strategy was behind this draft, and it’s clear they nailed that strategy. Whether the players turn out or not, of course, we shall see. But they got what several people are calling one of the 2-3 best players in the draft (and one of those other players is Williams, a DE), and they got a free QB out of it all. If those OL turn out to be players, this looks to me like a more talented version of the Titans (except at QB). The OL, though. That’s what we are waiting for now. If they play out, I expect a wild card berth, or an excruciatingly close miss of the wild card.
ZooeyModeratorRIP, Thordaddy.
May 5, 2015 at 3:13 pm in reply to: now that the dust has settled a bit, how do you feel about this draft? #24126ZooeyModeratorGreat post, Isiah58. That’s well said. Not only is that an accurate description of their philosophy, I endorse it fully. I agree that you always go BPA in the first. I did not understand the hand-wringing Thursday night/Friday morning about how they failed to address the line. I wanted a playmaker at #10, and while I didn’t have Gurley on my radar, it took me all of about a minute to get on board with it.
And for those who didn’t like the Gurley pick, I ask…who? Peat? Nobody ever offered a preferred alternative. With the draft thick in OL, the strategy made perfect sense to me.
We shall see. I like Dak’s assessment of the assessment. Gurley and Havenstein + one other starter = A draft. That’s the hope.
ZooeyModeratorWhat the hell is a “perpetual rebuilding process?” Doesn’t every team participate in the draft every year? What do they want, Trung Canidate type picks?
The Rams have to play rookies because they totally sucked when Fisher took over. They haven’t reached the point of the luxury of drafting for depth. They are drafting for starters still. And they are getting closer.
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