Well, I think what Foles has that the other available QBs don’t have is an indefinite ceiling.

All the other guys out there have pretty much exhausted their “potential upside growth.” They are what they are. They are past the point of “hopefully he’ll be better next year.”

Foles may have peaked, too. We just don’t know for sure yet.

I don’t know how that is structured, but that looks like bad news for everybody. That is better than most QBs make.

nittany ram wrote:

Here’s a discussion that touches on that…

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3ASaddam_Hussein/naming

Well, that’s all cleared up.

I hope he has a forgettable time playing for the 49ers, and has a long, losing season.

I’ll only go this far on that: I think Raiders are a more likely candidate than the Raiders.
by jthomas 4:47 PM

Don’t know about that.

I’d rate that as a toss-up, myself.

InvaderRam wrote:

the raiders are worth 797 million. the rams are worth 750 million. i could see that happening. the rams staying in st. louis and kroenke moving the raiders to los angeles. he might actually prefer that as i think the raiders have a bigger following in los angeles. although that would majorly bum out los angeles rams fans.

Nobody cares about Los Angeles Rams fans except Los Angeles Rams fans. That sounds harsh, but it’s true.

Your scenario is possible, but I can make it worse.

Kroenke and Davis trade franchise NAMES. The Rams (newly christened the Raiders) move to Los Angeles as the Raiders, and the Raiders switch uniforms and move to St. Louis to be the Rams.

Cuz maybe they don’t want to trade their entire organizations that they have been building. Kroenke may very well want to hang onto his front office, Fisher and his crew, and his players. All of them become Los Angeles Raiders, but the “Rams” are still in St. Louis.

How’s that sound?

I’m not sure I could survive that.

I was surprised to discover I felt sadness when I heard the news. You know, celebrity humans come and go. It’s the way of the world.

Usually, I think, “Damn. I liked that guy.”

But there was a bit of sorrow with this one. Perhaps fondness developed in childhood is the most potent. I don’t know.

znhater wrote:

Just someone else’s opinion. And when was the last time they hosted a super bowl in a rams stadium? Oh yeah, never. Kroenke is building the stadium. It remains to be seen if the st. Louis proposal even gets off the ground. I just can’t see him letting another team play there whem he settles for a stadium he won’t own. Plus San Diego and Oakland don’t have any money. It’s all just a ploy to get a better deal where they are now.

Just my opinion like everyone else’s but none of the other makes sense to me. Build on toxic land lol. I just don’t see it happening.

Don’t be so sure. The St. Louis proposal looks good on paper, and apparently the NFL likes it because Grubman has flown to St. Louis twice to talk to Peacock since Kroenke’s plan was unveiled, and have said encouraging things publicly. I’d say it’s pretty clear that the NFL likes Peacock’s proposal enough to encourage its development as a future NFL home. And since that stadium is going to be built in St. Louis, that means a team in St. Louis, and the Rams are the logical tenant.

It is true that the money has not been worked out for the Carson site, but even though Spanos and Davis are not as wealthy as Kroenke, they are both billionaires, and there are two of them. The NFL can kick in money, public money could be used, and they could sell pieces of their teams to raise more capital. There are ways it can work. It is true, though, that the Carson proposal is much weaker at this point than Kroenke’s. But Kroenke’s project has everybody working intently to create viable alternatives.

zn wrote:

Zooey wrote:

nittany ram wrote:

Do you want to delete this, or did you just post it wrong? I can add-edit anything you want into the post. Up to you.

So, see…here’s the thing.

I wrote an absolutely scathing attack on Nittany. It was brilliant. Sure to reduce him to cinders. And tears. Only the whole thing hinged upon my assumption that the Rams actually CAN’T sign this guy right now because there is no signing of players for another 10 days.

Except that applies to free agents.

And I’m not sure about guys who got cut. They aren’t Free Agents in the same sense. I don’t know about the rules for signing these guys. And thinking that the pain of being exposed as ignorant myself right when I am arrogantly denouncing Nittany’s ignorance…well, I thought better of it.

Not because I was worried about MY reputation. I was just worried that everyone might lose sight of the fact that Nittany is an ignorant slut.

So I deleted it. Only I can’t delete the whole post. Something has to live in the box.

InvaderRam wrote:

he’s the only one of the three owners who just went forward with his plans and is making something happen.

This is the key to me.

For thirty years, there has been nothing but talk in LA about stadiums.

For 20 years, LA has been there for the taking.

Kroenke is the only guy who is making it happen. He owns the land. He has political clearance. He has the money. He needs No Help from anybody. The shovels are on site.

The other stuff matters. It matters a lot.

But the window of opportunity for alternatives is closing, and the competing groups have approximately a year to match, or there will be no showdown. Spanos can whine all day and night, but if he hasn’t got shovels on site, he’s toasted. Same with St. Louis.

I think there is enough time for those alternatives to match Kroenke and force a showdown, so it isn’t locked up, but those groups are going to have to show the committee a rock-solid plan, or they are going to be denied a seat at the table. Kroenke is already at the table.

By the way, I think the flaw in the St. Louis plan is that it asks Kroenke to pony up money. And I don’t think the NFL can tell a guy he HAS to spend his money on someone else’s business plan, regardless of how much they love that plan. They just cannot make him do it. The contract was to upgrade the dome, and they aren’t doing that, so no matter what, they are not meeting the terms of the agreement, and Kroenke is essentially a free agent. They can’t make him stay in the dome, and they can’t make him invest in the St. Louis stadium. So I don’t know where that leaves everything legally. The courts, I guess.

InvaderRam wrote:

i still don’t understand why the league would favor a raiders/chargers move over a rams move. in fact, i’d see every reason to favor the rams move. kroenke would seem to be the more qualified owner. and the other team can always move at a later date and play in kroenke’s stadium.

plus, the chargers/raiders move depends on BOTH teams actually moving which is far from certain while kroenke seems intent on pushing through with the stadium project. and this is the league’s best opportunity yet to finally have an nfl team back in la. what happens if one of oakland or san diego come up with a stadium plan? the carson site is nixed and los angeles is again without a team. and i’m fairly confident the league does not want that to happen.

i agree with you. kroenke is a guy who is used to getting what he wants. the league also wants a strong owner in los angeles. spanos and davis don’t strike me as strong owners. at least in the business sense. kroenke might be a sociopath. but he’s a sociopath who gets things done. and that’d be just fine with the league.

They would favor the Raiders/Chargers over the Rams simply because St. Louis has offered a new stadium and SD and Oak have not. It’s the public appearance of the thing. The Rams’ move looks like the groom ditching the bride at the altar. Now they can spin that, and WILL spin that if the Carson project does not become viable in time, but with both projects viable, the jilting of St. Louis looks bad. And IS bad. They want LA, and they will jilt St. Louis if that is necessary, but they won’t jilt St. Louis if they can move other teams to LA with worse situations, and SD and Oak currently have no solutions on the horizon.

I don’t know what you even mean by “qualified” owner.

I think that if Carson falls apart, the NFL will back Kroenke’s move and try to lure either SD or Oak to St. Louis. Second choice would probably be to broker a deal where Kroenke and Davis trade teams and Davis keeps the Rams in St. L while Kroenke moves the Raiders to LA, or some variation of that.

If Carson AND St. Louis fall apart, the Rams move cleanly into LA, end of story. Maybe the remaining team joins them there later.

Kroenke will file to move at the end of next season, and the league will have to give him an answer. They won’t tell him No unless there is another LA plan nailed into place. There is no way the NFL does not have a team in LA in 2016. It will be the Rams, or the Chargers.

I tend to agree with all of that, too, with the exception of Assumption #5, and I am not sold on #3 or #4. I am not so sure that neither Oakland nor San Diego will come up with a stadium plan. St. Louis pulled one out when nobody expected them to.

I think it is less likely that Oakland will come up with anything because Oakland is working on a new stadium for the A’s right now. I think I read that, anyway. But I would not be surprised by a San Diego solution that is the equivalent to the St. Louis solution.

While I think the NFL would prefer the Rams to stay put, I think the likelihood of the Carson project unraveling at some point is greater than the Inglewood project unraveling. There are more variables, more ways the Carson project can go wrong. Kroenke’s stadium construction plan stops ONLY if he gets some other opportunity he likes as well i.e. the Broncos. While I have a hard time picturing Kroenke pulling an Al Davis and moving regardless, I also have an equally hard time seeing him settle for less than the vision of the Los Angeles Rams that he has created, drawn up, and planned for. Neither action seems in character for him. He has no history of going rogue, and he has no history of being denied. So either way, we are going to see something new from Kroenke. Remember how he got the Rams? There was Khan coming strong, and talk about cross-ownership impediments, and Kroenke can’t do it, and…BOOM.

I just think the St. Louis stadium is “settling for less,” and I’m not sure he’s going to be happy with the runner-up proposal when there isn’t anything to stop him from taking first place in the beauty pageant except his own conscience. That biography of Kroenke I posted a few weeks ago portrays a man whose business approach is to make a business goal, and treat it like a fence post. You just keep banging on it, again and again, until you get what you want. He is steady, he is patient, and he is relentless. In the mean time, his stadium project is in the lead in the timeline. We’re at the quarter post, and Kroenke is in the lead by two lengths. Stopping Kroenke, I think, will require a firm and united NFL (if LA is what he truly wants, and all indications are that it is). I am not making a prediction on how this will end, but I will say that if Kroenke gets more than half of the owners – including some rich and powerful ones (and it appears he has Jerry Jones) – I’d be surprised if he takes No for an answer.

I don’t think they are going to persuade Kroenke. They are going to have to compel Kroenke.

He is not going to accept the Spanos/Davis LA “solution” as being more appropriate. What? They’re entitled to it cuz their daddies were pioneers, and they have family legacies, and they live closer anyway, and besides, they couldn’t get anything done in their hometowns, so they should get LA.

Yeah, I don’t think so. The man is a sociopath, and he isn’t going to feel sorry for Dean and Mark, especially now that they are gunking up his business plan. The NFL is either going to have to forcefully stop him by making it too painful for him to move, or bribe him somehow, maybe by some ownership transfers that leave the Rams in St. Louis and Kroenke in LA with a different team.

Any opponents of the Inglewood plan, dubbed the City of Champions Revitalization Project, now have 30 days to file a referendum to force a public vote.

Per LA Times