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    Easley went out of the game too.

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    Jimmy Garoppolo likely tore ACL in 49ers’ 38-27 at Kansas City

    Eric Branch

    https://www.sfchronicle.com/49ers/article/Jimmy-Garoppolo-sustains-knee-injury-in-49ers-13251683.php

    KANSAS CITY, Mo. — The 49ers have endured more humiliating losses in Kansas City than the one they endured Sunday, but none more devastating.

    In a September defeat that felt, in some ways, like the end of their season, they fear they lost franchise quarterback Jimmy Garoppolo for the season with a torn ACL in a 38-27 loss to the Chiefs at Arrowhead Stadium.

    Garoppolo was injured late in the fourth quarter when his left knee buckled before he absorbed a huge hit from cornerback Steven Nelson along the left sideline at the end of a 13-yard run. Garoppolo immediately grabbed for his left knee and was carted to the locker room after spending several minutes in the medical tent on the sideline.

    After the game, teammates wandered from the locker room into an adjacent training room to check on Garoppolo. At one point, he sat shirtless on a table with several members of the medical staff around him. He later exited the training room on crutches and asked members of the team staff where he could find his family members who had attended the game.

    Inside linebacker Reuben Foster was among the players who checked on Garoppolo, and he immediately knew his injury was serious based on his expression.

    “I just see in his face, and he was just like,” Foster said, shaking his head. “I was like, ‘Hey, brother, we’ve got you. … We’re going to fight for you no matter what.’ He was down. With an injury like that, you have no choice but to be down.”

    Before Garoppolo’s injury, the 49ers already had dealt with another nightmare at Arrowhead. After losing their previous three games in Kansas City by a combined score of 116-19, they trailed 35-10 at halftime. In the first half, the Chiefs’ five possessions featured touchdown drives of 57, 84, 75, 72 and 68 yards.

    Still, if not for Garoppolo’s injury, the loss wouldn’t have beencrushing: The 49ers entered as underdogs to an unbeaten team and are now 1-2 with 13 games left to play.

    The postgame scene made it clear more than a game had been lost.

    Wide receiver Marquise Goodwin exited the locker room and quietly embraced CEO Jed York’s twin sisters, Jenna and Mara, who looked emotional.

    Goodwin said the loss of Garoppolo was a “downer,” tight end George Kittle said it “sucks,” left tackle Joe Staley termed it a “bummer.”

    Foster, who said it was “heartbreaking,” succinctly summed up what it meant to lose the quarterback who last year led a 1-10 team to a 5-0 finish. “We had big hopes for Jimmy,” Foster said. “He made us who we are.”

    In the aftermath, head coach Kyle Shanahan and various players uttered variations on the NFL maxim of “next man up.”

    CB Ahkello Witherspoon: After a rugged performance in Week 2, he was benched and replaced by Jimmie Ward, before entering when Richard Sherman was hurt. In the second half, he committed two more penalties (holding, pass interference), bringing his total to four in the past two games.

    RB Matt Breida: After entering as the NFL’s rushing leader, he survived a first-half injury scare and had 90 yards on 10 carries.

    And for the 49ers, it will be C.J. Beathard. Last year, as a rookie, Beathard started five games after Brian Hoyer was benched. Beathard had a 1-4 record and 69.2 passer rating while earning high marks for his grit and toughness.

    On Sunday, on the first play after Garoppolo was injured, Beathard tossed an apparent 7-yard touchdown to Kittle on 4th-and-goal, but the score was negated by a pass-interference penalty.

    The 49ers settled for a field goal to trim the deficit to 38-27 with 5:12 left, but the Chiefs responded with three first downs to run out the clock.

    Minutes later, Shanahan opened his news conference with the biggest news.

    “With Jimmy, it’s a knee,” he said. “We fear an ACL.”

    Later, Shanahan was asked about looking ahead to the rest of the season without Garoppolo, who signed a $137.5 million contract in the offseason based on last year’s perfect finish.

    “We will show up tomorrow and we will be men about it,” Shanahan said. “… It is part of the NFL season and that is what you have to do. We all feel for Jimmy, there’s no doubt about it.”

    When Garoppolo went down, left guard Laken Tomlinson said fear began to “creep in” and Staley hoped Garoppolo had sustained a concussion.

    At the time of his injury, Garoppolo had thrown for 251 yards and two touchdowns and had the 49ers just 7 yards away from trimming a 28-point hole to a touchdown.

    In reviewing the game, Staley noted the 49ers’ inability to play consistently well for four quarters this season.

    “We’re really trying to take that next step,” he said. “We’re trying so effing hard to take that next step.”

    Now, because of one disastrous step by Garoppolo, it’s appears quite possible the 49ers won’t be taking that next step in a season that just began.

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    Lindsey Thiry@LindseyThiry
    Quarterback Jared Goff took command of the Rams’ offense in a 35-23 victory over the Chargers, completing passes to six playmakers and even scrambling for 16 yards of his own. The Rams’ offense has now posted 30-plus points in each of their three games, but as they prepare for a quick turnaround on Thursday night against the Minnesota Vikings, the biggest question is whether their star-studded defense will be ready after cornerbacks Marcus Peters and Aqib Talib left the game Sunday because of injuries.

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    Joe Curley@vcsjoecurley
    Sean McVay on Goff’s performance: “With the exception of the one great play by Derwin Jones down in the red zone, I thought Goff was excellent today. He demonstrated excellent command, responded series after series.”

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    Rich Hammond@Rich_Hammond
    Rams receiver Robert Woods, on Chargers fans and the “rivalry” feel of the game: “Coming out, they were kind of loud, but I think we quieted them up. At the end of the game, you knew whose house it was, who is L.A.’s team.”

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    Rich Hammond@Rich_Hammond
    Rams’ JoJo Natson broke his hand today, so the search for a returner will be reopened.

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    in reply to: reporters on the Chargers game (articles, tweets, vids) #91260
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    Vincent Bonsignore@VinnyBonsignore
    #Rams QB Jared Goff said he sensed a rivalry atmosphere on Sunday against the #Chargers in how the fans of both teams made their presence felt and heard at the Coliseum. (And I agree. It was a cool environment today. A good day for L.A. football)

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    Marcus Peters diagnosed with calf strain, will get MRI

    Marcus Peters diagnosed with calf strain, will get MRI

    When Rams cornerbac Marcus Peters was injured in the first half of Sunday’s victory over the Chargers, word on the CBS broadcast was that he was being tested for an Achilles injury.

    An Achilles tear would have ended Peters’ season, but that’s not the diagnosis. PFT has learned, via a league source, that tests on Peters’ Achilles were negative.

    Peters has been diagnosed with a calf strain and will have an MRI to determine the extent of the injury.

    The Rams also saw cornerback Aqib Talib depart with an ankle injury during the 35-23 win. PFT has learned that he has a sprain and will undergo further evaluation on Monday.

    The Rams are on a short week as they face the

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    Joe Curley@vcsjoecurley
    Director of Strength and Performance Ted Rath marching around the Rams locker room managing the recovery process for Thursday, “Let’s go. Minnesota starts now.”

    Rams have more than 10 massage tables in locker room as players begin recovery process for TNF

    Sean McVay’s postgame presser halted by a fire alarm. How’s that for a metaphor for today at the Coliseum.

    Ryan Kartje@Ryan_Kartje
    Chargers cornerback Casey Hayward on Rams QB Jared Goff: “He’s the engine that makes it go.”

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    J.B. Long@JB_Long
    Jared Goff with another red zone pick in Week Three, but otherwise sensational.

    29/36 for 354 yds, 3TD

    #LARams improve to 7-0 when QB1 throws for 300+.

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    Gary Klein@LATimesklein
    Ndamukong Suh with his first sack for the Rams.

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    J.B. Long@JB_Long
    The #LARams have three double-digit wins, a +66 scoring differential.

    First time scoring 30+ points in first 3 games since 2000.

    in reply to: Chargers game, injuries #91252
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    Gary Klein@LATimesklein
    Talib has a crutch in his locker

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    ProFootballTalk@ProFootballTalk
    Per source tests on CB Marcus Peters Achilles were negative. Calf strain. MRI coming.

    Rich Hammond@Rich_Hammond
    I can confirm this. Still likely to be some time missed.Rich Hammond added,
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    Rams put up 521 yards in 35-23 win

    Rams put up 521 yards in 35-23 win
    https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/09/23/rams-put-up-523-yards-in-35-23-win/

    The Rams offense impressed in the first two weeks of the regular season and they outdid themselves in Week Three against the Chargers.

    Jared Goff threw for 354 yards, Todd Gurley ran for 105 and the team piled up 521 yards while beating the Chargers 35-23 in the NFL’s first Battle of Los Angeles since 1994. That moves the Rams to 3-0 ahead of Thursday night’s game against the Vikings, who will be coming to L.A. off the back of getting their teeth kicked in by the previously winless Bills.

    Goff and Gurley both had turnovers in the first half and it looked for a time like the game might develop into a shootout, but the Chargers opted to kick a field goal down 15 points in the fourth quarter and then failed to convert a fourth down after forcing the first Johnny Hekker punt of the game on the ensuing drive.

    That made the result academic, but all the feelings won’t be ecstatic in the locker room after the game. Cornerbacks Marcus Peters and Aqib Talib both left the win with injuries and any extended absences would leave the Chargers vulnerable at a particularly important spot on their defense.

    Word on the severity of those injuries will come in time. Answers to the Rams offense may be harder to find for opposing teams in the weeks and months to come.

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    in reply to: highlights, Chargers game #91243
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    in reply to: Reactions to LA Chargers @ LA Rams #91237
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    Costly win, but the offense looked so good.

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    All well reasoned.

    in reply to: Will the Rams somehow squeak by the 1-1 Chargers? #91218
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    With a name like Johnsonville, you know those Italian sausages have to be great.

    Z and I are playing around but for anyone who might not know, his pic above and our discussion of it all allude to an old line we used to use about the GSOT Rams–that they would (quote) “smoke the league like sausage in a refinery fire.”

    I take that as a line as immortal in its own, different way as things like “from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion” and “We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills” and “all work and no play make Jack a dull boy.”

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    According to two talent evaluators, the Rams have the clear advantage over the Chargers for now

    Sam Farmer

    https://pilotonline.com/sports/football/professional/article_f97e4103-e7d5-5dfc-bcd5-78d4955826ca.html

    LOS ANGELES—In a couple of years, they’ll share a stadium.

    For now, they’ll share the stage.

    The Los Angeles Rams and Los Angeles Chargers will play each other at the Coliseum on Sunday, meeting for the first time since their relocation to Los Angeles in a game that actually means something. Both are talented teams widely favored to win their respective divisions, and potentially make deep postseason runs.

    So which team has the better roster?

    For that, the Los Angeles Times turned to two personnel executives who work for uninvolved NFL teams to weigh in anonymously, position group by position group, on which players they would prefer. Each is a seasoned evaluator and, in the interest of clarity, we refer to them as Scouts 1 and 2.

    On to the breakdown:

    Quarterback

    Both evaluators give the Chargers’ Philip Rivers the nod here, based on his years of experience. That’s not to suggest they don’t like Jared Goff, because they do, but the Rams’ quarterback has turned in one impressive season whereas the 36-year-old Rivers has been consistently good for more than a decade.

    As Scout 1 said: “If you’re building a team and you’re a young team like the Rams, you obviously want Goff. But if you take the play caller out of it, take (Rams coach) Sean McVay out of it, and Goff has to call the game on the field by himself? I’m taking Philip Rivers. If the communication headset goes down, and you’re in a two-minute offense and everything’s going really fast, I’m taking Philip Rivers. But that’s not a knock on Goff. He might be that guy in a couple years.”

    Scout 2: “Goff is going to be good. I don’t know if he’ll ever be as good as Rivers. Goff is in the perfect scheme with the perfect coach.”

    Advantage: Chargers

    Running back

    No question here: It’s the Rams’ Todd Gurley over Melvin Gordon. That’s not surprising, considering Gurley is the defending NFL offensive player of the year, and the darling of every fantasy league.

    “To me this one’s not close,” Scout 1 said. “I would take Gurley every day. I think Gordon’s good, but I think Gurley is special. From his explosiveness to his vision, he runs with power, he can catch the ball. He’s got breakaway speed in the open field. He’s the perfect back. He’s in the top three or four in the league.”

    Advantage: Rams

    Receivers

    The Rams were the pick in this category, although each scout lavished praise on the receivers of both teams.

    Scout 1 sees the Chargers’ Keenan Allen as a cut above the rest, an elite receiver, with Mike Williams as a rising star, but still feels the Rams’ combination of Robert Woods, Brandin Cooks and Cooper Kupp is more effective.

    Scout 2 agrees: “They have one of everything. They have the deep vertical guy in Cooks, a good run-after-catch guy in Woods, and Kupp is a really quick possession guy in the slot.”

    Neither scout is wowed by the tight ends: Virgil Green of the Chargers and Tyler Higbee of the Rams. Good but not great.

    Advantage: Rams

    Offensive line

    Once again, the evaluators are on opposite sides of the fence, with Scout 1 giving the edge to the Rams and Scout 2 taking the Chargers. The scouts made positive mention of both Chargers tackles, Russell Okung and Joe Barksdale. Both lines got respectable but not phenomenal grades.

    Scout 1 praised Rams left tackle Andrew Whitworth: “He’s the ultimate pro, a leader who has toughness. He’s the epitome of what an offensive lineman should be.”

    Scout 2, who sees improvement in the Chargers line, said he’s waiting to see more from the Rams: “They have played some bad teams that haven’t gotten near Goff.”

    Advantage: Split decision

    Defensive line

    Both are on the same page: Combine the Chargers edge rushers of Joey Bosa and Melvin Ingram with the Rams interior linemen of Aaron Donald and Ndamukong Suh, and you’d have the new-age Fearsome Foursome and then some.

    There’s no debate between the evaluators that Donald, the 2017 defensive player of the year, is the brightest star of the group.

    “He’s in the top three defensive players right now, with maybe (Denver’s) Von Miller and (Chicago’s) Khalil Mack,” Scout 2 said of Donald. “You just can’t block him one-on-one.”

    Said Scout 1 of Donald: “It’s his leverage, his power, his quickness, his hand use. He can get skinny in the hole, he can play the power game. His whole pass-rush repertoire is unbelievable. If he continues at this level, he’s a Hall of Famer.”

    When healthy, Bosa is a dominant force too.

    “He’s strong, physical, gets upfield as a rusher. Bosa is a difference-maker,” Scout 1 said. “Ingram is quick off the ball, he can bend, good hand use, closing speed.”

    Advantage: Rams interior linemen, Chargers edge rushers

    Linebackers

    This isn’t an apples-to-apples comparison, because when Wade Phillips was changing the Rams from a 4-3 scheme to a 3-4, the Chargers were transitioning the other way, from a 3-4 to a 4-3, under Gus Bradley. So the assignments are different.

    “The one thing I’ve noticed about the Chargers is they’ve gotten a lot faster at the position,” Scout 1 said. “That’s something that Gus Bradley has really pushed. He loves speed at linebacker.”

    Seeing as Bosa (currently injured) and Ingram line up as defensive ends for the Chargers, Scout 2 favored the Rams linebacking group that includes Mark Barron, Cory Littleton, Samson Ebukam, Dominique Easley and Matt Longacre by the slightest of margins.

    Scout 1 likes the Chargers’ group that includes Denzel Perryman, Kyle Emanuel, Jatavis Brown and rookie Uchenna Nwosu.

    Advantage: Split decision

    Cornerbacks

    This one was easy. The evaluators took the Rams’ combination of Aqib Talib and Marcus Peters over the Chargers’ Casey Hayward and Trevor Williams.

    Scout 1: “I really like the playmaking ability of Marcus Peters, his ability to jump routes, his aggressiveness, lot of swagger and emotion on the field. He sees it quickly and is a big-time gambler but he knows when to take his shots. He and Aqib are very aggressive and similar, even though Peters is a lot younger.”

    Advantage: Rams

    Safeties

    The scouts praised the Rams’ combination of John Johnson and Lamarcus Joyner, but give the edge to the Chargers in this department with Jahleel Addae, Rayshawn Jenkins and, in particular, rookie first-round pick Derwin James.

    Advantage: Chargers

    Special teams

    Even with injuries to Rams kicker Greg Zuerlein and returner Pharoh Cooper, the scouts give the Rams the upper hand, largely because of the outstanding punting of Johnny Hekker and coaching of John Fassel.

    Advantage: Rams

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    in reply to: tweets … 9/22 #91203
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    Steve Wyche@wyche89
    what should be the most entertaining game of the NFL Weekend @RamsNFL @Chargers

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    J.B. Long@JB_Long
    The last 16 drives by #LARams opponents have resulted in punts (11), turnovers (3), or game overs (2).

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    Keys to the Game: Chargers vs. Rams

    Ricky Henne

    https://www.chargers.com/news/keys-to-the-game-chargers-vs-rams

    1. Trust the Passing Game – Marcus Peters and Aqib Talib are two of the best cornerbacks in the game. Philip Rivers is well aware of that fact, having gone up against both Pro Bowlers twice a year for the past several seasons when they were with the Chiefs and Broncos, respectively. Nonetheless, the Chargers must stay true to who they are, and that’s the league’s third-ranked passing offense. Rivers has been on fire to start the season, ranking third in the league in touchdowns (six), fourth in passing yards (680) and completion percentage (73.1 percent) and sixth in completions (57). Thus, while he’s mindful of the Rams’ talented secondary, he knows he has to trust his weapons to come through and make plays:

    “We’re not going in overconfident by any means, saying this is the corner we want to attack. We have great respect for those corners, but at the same time, I feel like our receivers and Keenan and all of our guys will have some opportunities…. (Those are) two really, really good corners, obviously. Peters has had his share of interceptions the last handful of times we’ve gone against him. Talib is a heck of a corner. I’ve always thought going against him twice a year now for however long it’s been, that I’d put him up there as one of the top corners in the league. Both those guys (actually).”

    2. Gang Up on Gurley – Week 1 brought the NFL’s reigning rushing king into town in Kareem Hunt. Last week, the Chargers had to face LeSean McCoy, who has the most total yards from scrimmage of any running back from the moment he entered the league. Well, it doesn’t get any easier this week as the Bolts match wits with Todd Gurley. The Rams running back leads the NFL in carries thus far with 39 totes for 150 yards (3.8 ypc) and three rushing touchdowns. He also has six receptions for 70 yards and one score. The Rams have a bunch of weapons, and Gurley is as dangerous as any. Just ask Defensive Coordinator Gus Bradley:

    “What I think makes him special is that he can play very physical and he also has the ability to jump-cut. With that, it’s not just one cut. In the zone-scheme, that makes him really effective. He has a really good feel for it. They play with the quarterback under center quite a bit, so he’s in the dot, and it allows him to use his vision. He can make explosive plays at any time — not only in the running game, but in the passing game.”

    3. Establish a Ground Attack – The Rams barely give up an inch on the ground as the 74.5 yards per game they are allowing is the fifth-lowest mark in the NFL. However, they are allowing 3.9 yards per carry. Basically, the Rams have rushed out to such early leads that teams have been forced to abandon the ground game and attack them through the air. Thus, it’s imperative for the Bolts to establish themselves on the ground. Melvin Gordon and Austin Ekeler lead a potent rushing attack that is averaging 4.8 yards per carry. Offensive Coordinator Ken Whisenhunt explained what’s made the pair such an effective duo:

    “Obviously, they’ve been very effective. So it’s been a tremendous help for us because it opens up other things and other parts of your game. [For] the play-action game, it helps. We had some plays in that game because of the play to [TE] Virgil [Green]. A couple of those plays to Virgil earlier were because of play action, because we’ve been effective running the football. You’ve got a guy like Austin that can do a couple of different things and he’s a great complement to Melvin [Gordon]; it helps you. The biggest challenge you face with that situation is how do you get them enough carries?”

    4. Interior Protection – Pressure up the middle is a quarterback’s nightmare. Teams covet having just one defensive tackle able to wreak havoc in the middle, let alone have two like the Rams boast in Aaron Donald and Ndamukong Suh. If the Bolts want to get rolling on offense, they have to not only protect Philip from that two-headed monster, but also assert their will against them in the run game. You better believe the team will be mindful of where Donald and Suh are each time they’re on the field. When it comes to Suh, the Bolts at least have a center in Mike Pouncey who is awfully familiar with him as the two went toe-to-toe each day at practice while with the Miami Dolphins. However, as Head Coach Anthony Lynn noted, it’s not reasonable to think one man can stop either one of them alone:

    “I don’t think there’s a blueprint for stopping Suh, man. He’s a heck of a player. One of the most powerful interior linemen in this league. We just have to stay in front of him and protect our quarterback.”

    5. Ignore the Eye Candy – The Bolts stressed all week how the Rams distract and disrupt a defense with all they do before they snap the ball. It’s aimed to confuse and disrupt the defense, and it’s something Bradley admitted his defense struggled with against the Chiefs. Thus, as much as the Chargers must prepare for what’s to come once the ball is snapped, they also have to weed through all the distractions the Rams will throw their way. With the success Kansas City had with it in Week 1, Bradley fully expects to see a ton of pre-snap eye candy come Sunday:

    “We didn’t play really well against Kansas City (with what they did pre-snap), so we have to play it better (against the Rams). I think you go back and you look at what you didn’t do well in the season during the previous games. You have to get that corrected because it is a copycat league. If teams see that you have a weakness and you don’t get it corrected, you’re going to see it again.”

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    the rams are the only defense that hasn’t allowed a pass td through week 2 – they currently rank:

    1st in offensive points allowed
    1st in tds per pass attempt allowed
    1st in 1st downs per pass attempt allowed
    2nd in qb rating allowed
    4th in picks per pass attempt
    7th in yards per pass attempt allowed

    qb rating and ypa are among the strongest correlators to offensive points

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    in reply to: Goff, the september thread #91191
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    This is the best thread on Goff in the entire known universe, and beyond.

    More.

    The “just 2 games” thing don’t apply here since it’s last year combined with this.

    aeneas1

    2017-2018, goff’s rankings among the top 40 qbs with the most pass attempts:

    yards per completed pass – 4th highest
    yards per pass attempt – 4th highest
    interception rate – 5th lowest
    td rate – 6th highest
    qb rating – 6th highest
    3rd down dropbacks converted into 1st downs – 6th highest

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    ME: Here’s how I rate Goff at the start of his 3rd year and how I handle the system qb thing. Ask yerself, how many qbs in the league would do as well or better with the same offense. And Goff is at least as good as most of them. How many qbs would not do as well. And Goff is better than them.

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