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znModeratorWe’re about the same! On the chart. If not exactly the same.
Interesting evolution, Mack.
Yet I also have this feeling that your core principles are the same. Do you think that’s accurate? They’re moral, and grounded. WV has talked about how he used to identify with the thoughtful and philosophical right of the old generation stellar conservatives.
znModeratorDayton Police Killed Shooter Within 30 Seconds Of 1st Shot, Police Chief Says
It took about 30 seconds to bring down the gunman who killed nine people and injured 27 others in a crowded section of downtown Dayton, Ohio, early on Sunday morning — just hours after another scene of violence in the Texas city of El Paso.
But figuring out why the alleged shooter, Connor Betts, who lived with his family in a sleepy suburban Midwestern community, descended on scores of innocent people — including his younger sister and a friend — is a question that will take much longer to solve, said Dayton Police Chief Richard Biehl in a news conference Sunday afternoon.
What officials have offered is a timeline of the deadly events that ended in dozens of lives upended almost instantly. On-duty officers first heard shots at 1:05 a.m. as they patrolled what is normally a safe and lively part of the city just before local bars shut down. Within approximately 20 seconds, six officers were running toward the hail of bullets pouring from the shooter’s .223-caliber high capacity rifle with 100-round drum magazines.
Ten seconds later, the shooter, who was wearing a mask, a bulletproof vest and hearing protection, was dead. Lying beside the body was a shotgun that had not been discharged.
“The threat was neutralized at approximately 30 seconds of the suspect firing his first shots,” Biehl said.
He added that the 24-year-old shooter had a minimal criminal history as an adult — only a pair of traffic violations are included in his record. Biehl noted that both weapons were purchased legally, explaining the more destructive rifle was ordered online from Texas and “transferred to the suspect from a local firearms dealer.” The shotgun was purchased in Ohio.
“There’s nothing in this individual’s history or record that would have precluded him from purchasing that firearm,” the police chief explained.
Biehl released surveillance footage showing panicked crowds running down the street to escape bursts of rapid gunfire, as well as a 911 call made moments after the shooting began.
Dissecting Betts’ movements before the attack have proved more complicated. Biehl said the shooter arrived at the nightlife spot in the same car as his sister Megan Betts, 22, and a friend, “but they were separated at some point later in the evening.”
It is unclear whether he intended to fire on her, but Megan Betts was the youngest of her brother’s victims — who ranged in age from 22 to 57. The other person in the car was also shot but survived. Police have not released his name.
Biehl said the man has been questioned by police and they are attempting to glean information that will help them piece together the shooter’s whereabouts after the group parted ways.
The city identified the nine people killed in the shooting: Megan K. Betts; Nicholas P. Cumer, 25; Thomas J. McNichols, 25; Lois L. Oglesby, 27; Logan M. Turner, 30; Beatrice N. Warren-Curtis, 36; Saeed Saleh, 38; Monica E. Brickhouse, 39; and Derrick R. Fudge, 57.
Local and federal law enforcement agencies served a search warrant on Betts’ family home in nearby Bellbrook, Ohio, early Sunday morning.
Bellbrook Police Chief Doug Doherty, whose department helped execute the warrant, said the FBI removed a vehicle from the property.
Authorities said that as of Sunday afternoon, 12 of the 27 people injured in the shooting were still in the hospital. One was in critical condition.
znModeratorWasn’t sure where to put this.
Actually that sounds like its own topic. Could you make it a separate thread? After you do that I will delete this one.
You can make it about your self-discovery, which is interesting and could generate discussion. I think it would be good that way.
znModerator10 Observations from the Rams first joint practice with the Raiders
Myles Simmons
https://www.therams.com/news/10-observations-from-the-rams-first-joint-practice-with-the-raiders
NAPA, Calif. — In the lead up to the first preseason game of the summer, the Rams and Raiders are having a pair of joint practices. With action on two separate fields, here are 10 notes from the session, focusing specifically on the Rams’ offense.
1) After going through individual drills on separate fields, the Rams and Raiders came together for 7-on-7 work. Los Angeles’ offense mainly stuck with short to intermediate routes, with the ball barely hitting the ground from quarterback Jared Goff to the wide receivers, tight ends, and running backs.
2) The offense looked sharp throughout the day, starting with 11-on-11. After head coach Sean McVay said the Rams looked sluggish to begin Saturday’s session with the Chargers, L.A. got things going with a few completions — including an intermediate, play-action pass from Goff to wide receiver Brandin Cooks on the left side. No. 16 threw a strike to No. 12 for what would’ve been a first down on 2nd-and-short.
3) After the second-team offense got a series, the ones were back and executed a strong play. Goff faked a handoff to both a wide receiver on a jet sweep, then the running back in the backfield, had time, and fired to a wide open Cooper Kupp down the left sideline. Goff hit Kupp in stride, allowing the wide receiver to run for what likely would’ve been a long touchdown.
4) In punt return drills, wide receiver JoJo Natson found himself with good blocking for a return up the right seam. The return specialist likely would’ve gotten up the field for 15 to 20 yards given the way everything was set up well.
5) Back in 11-on-11 drills, Los Angeles’ offense set up in the red zone for some more plays. On one, the Rams ran a reverse with Goff handing off to Kupp, who then surreptitiously gave it to fellow WR Robert Woods. The USC product then went down a wide open path on the left side of the field for about a 15-yard touchdown. It was a particularly nice play for the offense.
6) In the same 11-on-11 period, Goff hit Woods in the front-right corner of the end zone with an out-cutting route for a touchdown. Goff’s ball placement was solid, leading Woods to the sideline. And the wideout dragged his feet in bounds to ensure the catch was good — capping a strong segment of practice for the first-team offense.
7) In a later period, Goff kept a play alive by keeping his feet active in the pocket, then rolled to his right and found tight end Gerald Everett in the back of the end zone for an off-schedule touchdown. The connection between Goff and Everett continues to build as the club readies for the 2019 season.
8) During another 11-on-11 segment with the offense closer to midfield, center Brian Allen pulled around to the right on a lead block for running back Todd Gurley. Allen popped Raiders safety Karl Joseph, proving Gurley the needed space to get up the field.
9) Safety Lamarcus Joyner spent his first five years in the league with the Rams, and the now-Raiders nickel corner batted down a pass to wide receiver Brandin Cooks on the right side. After, the former teammates embraced and exchanged “good stuff” pleasantries before heading back to their respective huddles.
10) Finally, on a 3rd-and-10 play, the Rams’ offensive line along with running back Todd Gurley picked up a blitz well, giving Goff time to find Woods past the sticks with an intermediate route on the left side. Head coach Sean McVay was fired up about the play, giving low fives to Gurley and members of the OL for the protection.
August 7, 2019 at 11:09 pm in reply to: Goff … praise, questions… w/ MUST SEE vid: Peyton Manning on Goff #103733znModeratorWideouts bringing the heat. 🔥 pic.twitter.com/VvaLP9KkFF
— Los Angeles Rams (@RamsNFL) August 8, 2019
znModeratorRams ball security drill that skills players warm up with.
1. Bags
2. Weave through sticks with 3 coaches with punching gloves
3. Stiff arm standing bag
4. Finish through cones pic.twitter.com/nG0N3ohKrb— Ted Nguyen (@FB_FilmAnalysis) August 7, 2019
znModeratorTed Nguyen@FB_FilmAnalysis
Focused on the Raiders defense today. Overall, the SB contenders look like a well oiled machine in their third year. Even on plays that the Raiders defended well, they knew exactly what do in the second/third phases of plays. They have a chance to respond tomorrowGoff hitting longer crossing routes that is taking time to develop.
znModeratorFile this in the, “Wait, Cooper Kupp had reconstructive knee surgery almost 9 months ago, seriously?” category. Kupp has looked sharp. pic.twitter.com/SRpmnTkeWM
— Lindsey Thiry (@LindseyThiry) August 7, 2019
znModeratorLindsey Thiry@LindseyThiry
The Rams and Raiders held their first of two combined practices on Wednesday. The joint workout (About 90 minutes of combined work) appeared much more physical than the Rams recent combined practices against the Chargers. Among notable plays: Aqib Talib intercepted a deep pass from Derek Carr to open 7-on-7 play… In 11-on-11, Jared Goff looked sharp… Goff completed a few paces into tight windows, including one to WR Robert Woods, who had several DBs draped on him throughout the workout… Goff also completed touchdown pass to TE Gerald Everett between two defenders… WR Cooper Kupp continued to standout… On one play, Kupp found himself wide open to haul in a deep pass down the sideline from Goff… Goff took some chances down field to TE Tyler Higbee, but the connection was a few inches off, a couple passes fell incomplete off Higbee’s fingertips.
znModeratorThe dynamic duo is together til 2023. We wanted to see how well they know each other.
Let's just say we're glad they're on the same page on the field. 😂 pic.twitter.com/Zybe7tyTP4
— Los Angeles Rams (@RamsNFL) August 7, 2019
August 7, 2019 at 4:28 pm in reply to: the one-shot tweets thread (diff'rent stuff, funny angry interesting) #103721znModeratorDiabetic groom-to-be dies after taking cheaper insulin to pay for wedding https://t.co/kg3HqvKIGI pic.twitter.com/NE1PRRXb0j
— New York Post (@nypost) August 6, 2019
znModeratorWhat else would you expect from @robertwoods? 😈 pic.twitter.com/L2ZAKcuUmY
— Los Angeles Rams (@RamsNFL) August 7, 2019
znModeratorCameron DaSilva@camdasilva
Todd Gurley on whether he ran into Lamarcus Joyner at practice: “Nah, I didn’t even see his little short ass.” 😂Derek Carr has been held to a lot of short passes and scrambles in 7 on 7. Good coverage from the Rams.
Lindsey Thiry@LindseyThiry
Derek Carr’s first pass during combined practice, deep and intercepted by Aqib Talib.Vincent Bonsignore@VinnyBonsignore
#Rams have worked a lot on zone beating passing concepts all camp. It continued today#Rams Jared Goff must like the familiar NoCal air. He’s having himself a day today. Including sticking a perfect throw on Gerald Everett – who was double covered – for TD in a Red Zone drill
We’re hitting the final stretch here in Nappa. And boy did #Rams Jared Goff put on a show
Nice run by #Rams John Kelly on last play of an 11 on 11 session. He camp to camp ready to compete and it shows
Work in progress: #Rams rookie tackle David Edwards, playing LT, got worked by #Raiders rush end Arden Key during 11 on 11’s.
Funny exchange between Sean McVay and #Raiders CB Gareon Conley after Robert Woods got called for pushing off – McVay gave the ref an earful, and Conley yelled: “I knew that route.” McVay screamed back: “You don’t know that route!!”
J.B. Long@JB_Long
Raiders send a blitz, #LARams pick it up nicely. Gave Goff time to deal to a wide open Robert Woods for a first down conversion (aren’t all Woods catches?). McVay fired up about it, slapping hands with Goff and OL.Asked what advice he’d have for the Raiders as they’re featured on Hard Knocks, Jared Goff says with a laugh, “Don’t talk to anybody… Keep you mouth shut.” #LARams
znModerator‘I don’t want to hear the question ‘is this president racist?’ anymore. He is.’ — @AOC held nothing back while condemning Trump for using the language of white supremacy pic.twitter.com/3rWCkdYq6n
— NowThis (@nowthisnews) August 6, 2019
znModeratorCameron DaSilva@camdasilva
Sean McVay announced Justin Lawler is undergoing foot surgery today. Tough blow for the young pass rusherDowntown Rams [DTR]@DowntownRams
This is the nature of the beast. Justin Lawler was going to make this roster. This now opens up a spot on the 53. Look for guys like Josh Carraway and Landis Durham to try and take advantage of this opportunity.Vincent Bonsignore@VinnyBonsignore
Tough news for #Rams DE Justin Lawler on having foot surgery. Rams value the multiple ways he helps. Not spectacular in any one area but solid across the board.ProFootballTalk@ProFootballTalk
In a clip from tonight’s debut of Hard Knocks, Antonio Brown is at practice with his sons. One of them says, “Where’s Roethlisberger?”==
Transaction: #LARams have signed P Brock Miller. pic.twitter.com/7edKnvBKwB
— Los Angeles Rams (@RamsNFL) August 6, 2019
znModerator😳
Aaron Donald with the footwork clinic!
(Via @210ths)
— PFF (@PFF) August 6, 2019
August 6, 2019 at 7:06 pm in reply to: the one-shot tweets thread (diff'rent stuff, funny angry interesting) #103700znModeratorI’m not sure what offends me most about this Trump supporter: Is it his level of hate, his overt racism or is it the fucking shirt he’s wearing that spells “Islam Suck’s” incorrectly in possessive form. pic.twitter.com/zBkEi3t2KO
— cαηα∂α нαтεs тя☭мρ (@POzzur) August 6, 2019
znModeratorThe Rams screwed everything up for other teams with good running backs https://t.co/D4M9PfXhA6
— Cameron DaSilva (@camdasilva) August 6, 2019
znModeratorIn “former Ram” news:
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Tavon the ankle breaker #cowboyswire pic.twitter.com/R9UfXRERsm
— David Helman (@HelmanDC) August 1, 2019
znModeratorSteven Jackson gets random drug test from NFL after signing 1-day contract https://t.co/rJa45qFNRM
— Rams Wire (@TheRamsWire) August 1, 2019
znModeratorJosh Reynolds 'has been outstanding' in camp thus far https://t.co/d3ssEIaN4D
— Rams Wire (@TheRamsWire) August 2, 2019
znModeratorRams' rough travel schedule begins with trips to Napa and Hawaii https://t.co/aRCZZGZTdT
— Rams Wire (@TheRamsWire) August 6, 2019
znModeratorfrom NFL’s 100 greatest teams of all time. By Nate Davis: https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2019/08/05/nfl-best-teams-history-all-time-patriots-bears-dolphins/1886459001/
[85 Bears come in 1st]
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9. 1999 Rams (won Super Bowl XXXIV): Though many sophisticated passing attacks had shined previously, the “Greatest Show on Turf” was in some ways the vanguard of today’s pass-oriented game. QB Kurt Warner, RB Marshall Faulk and WRs Isaac Bruce and Torry Holt truly resembled a game of “Madden” come to life, St. Louis’ 13 regular-season wins coming by an average of nearly 23 points. Remarkably consistent, the Rams were held to fewer than 20 points just once (in the NFC title round by Tampa Bay) and eclipsed 30 points 13 times. And Warner’s ascension from complete unknown to league MVP and, ultimately, a Hall of Famer is a quintessential rags-to-riches tale. If there’s a blemish, it would be a labored playoff run that included a semi-controversial win in the aforementioned 11-6 defeat of the Bucs.
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74. 2001 Rams (lost Super Bowl XXXVI): The only team in franchise history to win 14 games, they were on the cusp of dynasty status — and heavily favored —before getting ambushed by New England’s nascent juggernaut.
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88. 1973 Rams (lost divisional round): They outscored the opposition by 210 points in the regular season, the highest differential by any of 52 L.A. Rams teams.
znModeratorDid you read the Alamo thing? It fits with this. http://theramshuddle.com/topic/slavery-and-the-myth-of-the-alamo/
August 5, 2019 at 10:15 pm in reply to: training camp reports (starting w/ a pre-camp report) #103684znModeratorThe last day
49RH8R
First of all, this was night and day from when I visited the first year the Rams were back. Like, not even close. There were tents for games, merchandise, alumni autographs, and a tent where you could wear virtual reality goggles and see what the new stadium will look like from the inside. And that was even before you went to watch the practice. The first year I went there was like one hot dog stand and now there was a whole food court area in the lower parking lot. Next to that was the kids area with about 6-8 huge inflatable bounce houses and stuff. Frankly I was a little bummed it has gotten so big. I talked to a lot of people and this was their first year visiting.
I was in line for parking and the cars were at a dead stop when Eric Weddle pulled up next to me and went in the side gate. He’s got a pretty badass white F-150 with black detailing. He could be driving anything, and he drives a Ford truck which I thought was cool.
Dennis Smith and LeRoy Irvin were in the alumni tent signing autographs and taking pictures.
This was the last practice at Irvine, so it was just a walkthrough, no contact at all. Whitworth, Gurley, and Kupp were all out there.
*Kupp was getting more reps and special attention from Goff it seemed. McVay had Goff pointing out reads and his checkdowns instead of throwing the ball but sometimes Goff would finish by just offloading it to Kupp. It was like they were trying to knock the rust off even if it meant just tossing him the ball.
*Higbee came out first as the #1 TE but I’m not sure what that means. Everett got a lot of reps but it seemed Higs got more.
*There were some pretty sweet screen plays to Gurley and Kupp that I didn’t recognize from any game last year. It was almost a long, frozen rope lateral behind the line of scrimmage.
*There was some talk of Demby making noise but there is no doubt Allen and Noteboom are the starters. Allen looks kind of short but rock solid.
*Clay Matthews was mostly lined up as rusher outside the RT. I did not see him much at ILB at all.
*Weddle showed blitz a few times.
*It was interesting watching the defense because they had so many substitutions. Most of the DB’s like Troy Hill, Hatfield, Marqui Christian were out with the 1’s. Interestingly, rookie David Long was not with the 1’s but on the other side of the field with the backups.
*SJD is a big boy and seems like he has the inside track to start at NT. Gaines was not out there much but was on the other side of the field with the backups like Long.
*Rapp got a lot of reps with the 1’s and even played FS with Weddle moving to SS. There were some packages where JJ, Weddle, and Rapp were all on the field at the same time.
*Troy Hill looks like the 3rd CB and was in for Peters a lot. I think Peters might be a little banged up but he did play.
*Morgan fox surprisingly played a lot with the starters.
*Gurley and J.J. were hamming it up big time on one play. In fact, JJ hit the ground rolling and laughing because Gurley must have said something pretty funny. It was a very lose walkthrough all throughout.
*Malcom Brown clearly #2 and I didn’t see much of Henderson
*These guys were definitely having fun out there and I think they know they are good.
*During red zone drills, Gurley ran a fly pattern as a WR from the 20 for a TD.
*Some loud fan started the “Who’s House? RAMS HOUSE!” chant and got some of the players fired up.
*I’ve been back and forth on Serena Morales being hot or not but after seeing her in person I’ll go with hot.
*Hekker was leaving the field after signing autographs but people started chanting “Johnny Johnny” and he came back out for more.
*Johnny Mundt was signing autographs near me and I gave him a shout out being as he’s from my hometown. We talked for a second because my buddy coached his brother who is a stud baseball player.
znModeratorhmmm
david long fourth string.
i was hoping to hear more positive things about him in training camp.
I think all the rookies are listed pretty low. Including Henderson (I doubt he is really behind Kelly and Davis.) So I think listing a rookie low is just something the Rams do automatically. Well except for Rapp. But then he’s ahead of a 2018 practice squad guy and a UDFA, which isn;t all that transcendent.
Interesting that according to this, the back-up LOT is Edwards.
Also interesting is the fact that Ebukam is behind Fowler, not Matthews. I don’t think that will stay like that.
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znModeratorInteresting detail. Looking at all the Rams centers who started a superbowl. Doug Smith and then later Gruttadauria were UDFAs. So was Andy McCollum. John Sullivan (who had good years before he wore out last year) was originally a 6th rounder. That means not one of the 4 different starting superbowl centers for the Rams was drafted higher than round 6. Actually he was the only one who was drafted at all.
If Brian Allen starts, and plays well, and is on a superbowl squad, he will become the highest drafted Rams center to do so (round 4).
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znModeratorPotential starting offensive line for Preseason One at OAK on Saturday:
LT David Edwards (rookie)
LG Jamil Demby (0 appearances)
C Aaron Neary (1 NFL game)
RG Jeremiah Kolone (0 appearances)
RT Bobby Evans (rookie)— J.B. Long (@JB_Long) August 5, 2019
August 5, 2019 at 5:51 pm in reply to: the one-shot tweets thread (diff'rent stuff, funny angry interesting) #103673znModeratorEl Paso shooter: “This attack is a response to the Hispanic invasion of Texas.”
Tomi Lahren today: We shouldn't assign blame or point fingers about this
Lahren 3 months ago: This isn't just a migrant caravan, this is an invasion. Every American watching should be infuriated
🤔 pic.twitter.com/xoLDYp8YdE— Lis Power (@LisPower1) August 5, 2019
znModeratorGary Klein@LATimesklein
Goff on why he prefers joint practices over preseason games: “Our O line got…40-50 reps against Joey (Bosa) and Melvin (Ingram) and that defensive line, whereas in a preseason game they might get five to 10.”Rich Hammond@Rich_Hammond
And in a more controlled situation with a lower risk of injury. Soon there will be two preseason games, max, and no players or fans will complain.Gary Klein@LATimesklein
McVay on Goff’s even-keeled demeanor: “In the midst of things not going great he finds a way to settle in in a situation where we got to have a two-minute drive to score a touchdown. Made some great throws, recognized coverage, got the ball where it should have gone.”Rams Cooper Kupp: “First time really getting knocked to the ground and having to pop back up. There wasn’t any kind of hesitation for me. I felt like free to do whatever I wanted to do and really was kind of excited about that aspect of the day.”
J.B. Long@JB_Long
Mike Thomas continues to make contested catches. Critical month ahead, battling for WR depth and SPTMs role. #LARamsLindsey Thiry@LindseyThiry
The Rams wrapped up the UC Irvine portion of training camp on Sunday with a walk-thru. On Tuesday they will travel to Napa to practice against the Raiders for two days before they play each other in a preseason game Saturday. Sean McVay said Sunday that despite breaking from UC Irvine, that he emphasized to players that camp was not over. “We are still in camp mode for the next, really, week and a half or so,” McVay said. “We got to continue to get great work day-in and day-out.”🚨Cooper Kupp alert 🚨 If you didn’t know Kupp had ACL surgery just over eight months ago, you wouldn’t be able to tell by watching him.
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