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znModeratorSeahawks’ practice methods have turned heads and created one of most opportunistic defenses in NFL
SEATTLE — Assigned to Stefon Diggs at the start of the fourth quarter, Seattle cornerback Tre Flowers broke on the route and blanketed himself around the Minnesota receiver as Kirk Cousins’ pass arrived. Diggs bobbled it for a moment and, as it hung in the air between the men, Flowers snatched it, rolled onto his side while staying in bounds upon impact and secured his third interception of the season.
It was an improbable play, one where ball skills and concentration marry at the exact moment needed for a game-shifting play in Vikings territory. After the game, Flowers won’t say it was luck but instead a collection of factors.
“Trying to catch my daughter with little sudden movements,” Flowers, the father of an almost-3-year-old, says. “Russ throwing the ball to me [in practice]. Concentrating. I give everybody credit on that.”
Blink and you’ll miss it, but this Seahawks defense is as opportunistic as any in the league. The 27 takeaways, including three in Monday night’s 37-30 victory against the Vikings, are good for third in the league and just three off the pace of the top-ranked Patriots. In the past three games, Seattle has produced 11 takeaways.
For Flowers and many men in the room I spoke with after the game, the emphasis placed on taking the ball away by the coaching staff has been there all season. It’s turned the heads of newcomers to this team and gotten the offense involved in some healthy competitions on specific days in practice.
A little more than a month ago, Seattle’s defensive backs began warming up with the Seahawk quarterbacks. That’s what Flowers is referring to when he says Russell Wilson’s practice balls have him better prepared for intercepting the ball in Year 2.
“They’re getting their hands right,” backup quarterback Geno Smith tells me. “Tre and those guys I think it’s helping out a lot because rarely do they ever catch passes from the actual quarterback. Usually they’re getting it from the coach or the JUGS (machine), but when you actually get to feel the ball coming from the quarterback I think it helps them out a bunch. Whatever we can do to help, that’s what we try to do.”
But that’s the only time the quarterbacks want the ball in the DBs hands. Smith says the team has Turnover Thursdays (or No Turnover Thursdays depending on how the day goes) that establish bragging rights for either side of the ball that week.
“Around here I would say the biggest difference from any team I’ve been on is the competition factor,” says Smith, who’s played on the Jets, Giants and Chargers since entering the league in 2013. “They really preach competition week in and week out. We’re competing in practice each week like it’s training camp. It keeps guys motivated and keeps morale high and spirits high. Every day is like a game. When you practice like that you usually play like that.”
Gone and never coming back are the Legion of Boom days. But outside of the 2013 season where the legendary Seahawks defense finished first in the league in takeaways, this is the only Seattle defense that has been in the top-three in turnovers in the league. In fact, Seattle hadn’t cracked the top 10 since that 2013 season.
In fact, the bulk of Seattle’s takeaways this season have been via forced fumble. Seattle has recovered 16 fumbles this season, including two recoveries on three Vikings fumbles Monday night.
Defensive tackle Rasheem Green forced his third fumble of the season (and second in consecutive games) when he dislodged the ball from Dalvin Cook’s grasp that Bradley McDougald recovered. That ultimately led to a field goal in the third quarter to give Seattle its first lead of the game.
“The ball is really our main focus around here,” Green says. “We always emphasize on offense protecting the ball and on defense getting the ball. On defense we always emphasize if there’s a way of getting the ball out and not compromising your tackle… you don’t have to miss a tackle to get the ball. You can get the guy down and get the ball out.”
Jadeveon Clowney forced Cook’s first fumble that was recovered by the Vikings, but the defensive end has been on a tear in Seattle despite missing time with (and playing through) a core muscle injury. Clowney has four forced fumbles in 11 games this season after having four forced fumbles in his previous five years with the Houston Texans.
It’s not by coincidence.
“They coach taking the ball away here. I got here and I’m like, ‘What in the world?’ In practice, this whole team in my first week, I’ve never seen so many guys punching at the ball. ‘Damn, that’s just something that ya’ll do?’ They were like yeah. So it started rubbing off on me.
“Every time I get a chance to see that ball carrier, the first thing I want to do is punch at that ball, and it’s from doing it so much at practice and it becomes second (nature). That’s what we do.”
To be sure, this isn’t an all-around great defense by any means. The defense still ranks in the bottom-third of the league in total yards, points, first downs, passing yards and rushing touchdowns. However, the addition of hard-hitting safety Quandre Diggs in the backend has been the team’s “missing piece,” according to McDougald, and talk of any team running the ball on the league’s eighth-best run defense is “over with,” per Clowney.
But it all comes back to takeaways with this group. And with the constants of Wilson’s MVP-caliber play and this rushing attack, the defense’s continued ability to force turnovers will be keep in staying atop its perch in the NFC West and getting past the divisional round of the playoffs for the first time in five years.
“We’re hawking the ball, and it’s coming out and we’re getting some shots at it,” head coach Pete Carroll said. “We need to keep riding that.”
znModeratorThis might have been Goff’s best throw of the day. Fakes right to Gurley, Chandler Jones doesn’t bite and comes right after him. Goff quickly resets his feet and hits Woods (who mad a fantastic catch) for 15 yards, just as he’s drilled.
More of this Jared Goff, please pic.twitter.com/22RkBYW2p2
— SeattleRams (@seattlerams_nfl) December 5, 2019
znModeratorWhether or not they were saving him from the stretch run (they claim they weren't), the Rams are using RB Todd Gurley more heavily https://t.co/0NNb9yzvRP
— ProFootballTalk (@ProFootballTalk) December 5, 2019
znModeratorJoel Corry@corryjoel
There aren’t any post-June 1 designations or delayed bonus acceleration with trades & cuts after June 1 in 2020 since it is the final year of the CBA.Lindsey Thiry@LindseyThiry
Rams injury report Wednesday:RT Rob Havenstein (Knee) Limited
DB Darious Williams (Ankle) Limited
TE Gerald Everett (Knee) DNP
LT Andrew Whitworth (Not Injury Related) DNP==
ICYMI: #LARams Taylor Rapp comes in as #PFF's 8th highest-graded rookie this season!
📰: https://t.co/O9MQ02iASf pic.twitter.com/9JJelb8BXv
— PFF LA Rams (@PFF_Rams) December 5, 2019
znModeratorTurfShowTimes@TurfShowTimes
#LARams QB Jared Goff named NFC Offensive Player of the Week for Week 13LMU93
At this point in the season you start looking at Points Differential as one of the ways to tell who’s who in the league. Clearly the Ravens, 49ers and Patriots are the top 3 by that measure. Seattle is 10th (+36). The Rams are 12th (+33).
znModeratorNorCal RF
Rewatched game tonight. Evans played damn well against AZ. A physical mauler run blocking and way better then what he showed during preseason in regards to pass blocking. Didn’t rewatch Baltimore game but did against Chicago and he has played very well in those two games. Rams may have something with him.
Edwards and Corbett also played well against AZ in regards to their run blocking. Both got a bit pushed back when pass blocking but that being said they are both playing a lot better than Noteboom and Blythe played at guard. Blythe for whatever reason is a hell of a lot better at center than guard. Still early but it hard not to like what these 3 young players are showing right now.
One more thing on Evans. On the screen to Gurley in the first quarter Evans de-cleated one of the Cards D-Lineman. Hard to teach the brute strength and size this kid has.
znModeratorRemember the instant spark Mark Clayton gave the Rams offense? It was short lived because of injury unfortunately, yet ceremoniously this game from 2010 marked the first Rams victory over Seattle in 5 years! A 10 game losing streak snapped. It was a joyous moment at the time! pic.twitter.com/OyjKpZNrJg
— RAMS ON FILM (@RamsOnFilm) December 3, 2019
znModeratorRamPower
Other than Wilson (and their overall record obviously), SEA hasn’t been very impressive this year. Up here in the Pacific NW, I’m force-fed their games (I always watch until a SEA win is obvious), and they could have lost 8 or 9 games with very little help (again Wilson is hard to kill off as I’ve always said). They’ve had problems putting pressure on opposing QB’s all year, and beyond great LB’s, not much special going on with their defense.
Was their impressive win over the whiners fools gold, or have they turned a corner? Based on the MINN game last night, I say they still look like an average NFL team = very beatabl. Again their season record is awfully misleading…SEA favored by one point should tell us how “intimidating” their record is.
Btw, Saints favored over whiners by a couple. It’s getting very interesting…
znModeratorSuh-weet!
I think someone said the Rams now have a 26% chance of making the playoffs. I looked up NYT and it says 29%. 538 says 25%. Football Outsiders puts it at 16%. They’re obviously making different assumptions.
Teams that go 10-6 made the playoffs 56% of the time from 1990 to 2013. But the Rams picked a bad year to go 10-6 (if that’s in fact what happens). The division is too tough for that.
December 3, 2019 at 10:19 pm in reply to: the one-shot tweets thread (diff'rent stuff, funny angry interesting) #108954
znModeratorShe’s a dropout? Arrest her parents https://t.co/dUjLmj2BrS
— Shuja Haider (@shujaxhaider) December 3, 2019
znModeratorPFF LA Rams@PFF_Rams
#LARams Todd Gurley hasn’t had the season most are used to him having, but that doesn’t mean he isn’t producing in 2019Among all RB’s with at least 100 rush attempts, Gurley has the 6th highest Run Grade in the league this season
znModeratorIT'S A TRAPP! @trapp07 x #TouchdownTuesday x #ProBowlVote pic.twitter.com/atxbsNeMef
— Los Angeles Rams (@RamsNFL) December 3, 2019
znModeratoredwards and evans are far from a sure thing.
Well, I am beginning to think of them as sure things, myself.
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znModeratorEdwards has the 4th most pass-block snaps per pressure allowed this season among OT’s with at least 200 pass-blocking snaps!
Which is wonderful.
Except. He plays guard not OT.
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znModeratorPFF LA Rams@PFF_Rams
#LARams rookie David Edwards has the 4th most pass-block snaps per pressure allowed this season among OT’s with at least 200 pass-blocking snaps!==

znModeratorUsing the NYTimes site (which is fantastic), and without plugging in any other outcomes (not even MIN games), here are the #LARams odds of reaching the playoffs if they…
Win out: 98%
Finish 3-1 with the loss vs…
SEA: 60%
DAL: 61%
SF: 55%
ARI: 61%https://t.co/g4RptrZA1w— J.B. Long (@JB_Long) December 3, 2019
znModeratorWatch: Michael Brockers was mic'd up and dying for a sack vs. Cards https://t.co/0GxadSFjkS
— Rams Wire (@TheRamsWire) December 3, 2019
December 3, 2019 at 3:17 pm in reply to: NRR around the NFL tweets … 12/3 … including, Rivera fired #108938
znModeratorAdam Schefter@AdamSchefter
Panthers fired Ron Rivera.==
Ron Rivera’s run with the Panthers has come to an end.https://t.co/wO8q5W2zpX
— SNF on NBC (@SNFonNBC) December 3, 2019
December 3, 2019 at 2:40 pm in reply to: NRR around the NFL tweets … 12/3 … including, Rivera fired #108937
znModeratorNever insult Carson Wentz in front of @danorlovsky7 👀 pic.twitter.com/jQMnKqgEZN
— Get Up (@GetUpESPN) December 3, 2019
December 3, 2019 at 2:35 pm in reply to: NRR around the NFL tweets … 12/3 … including, Rivera fired #108936
znModeratorOne thing a QB needs is to have his WR’see things the same way as they do…to trust that they do. Buzzword for sure… @Patriots don’t have that right now. @MikeGiardi @PATRIOTSdotCOM @RochieWBZ #NFLGAmepass pic.twitter.com/lUH49iGGeb
— Dan Orlovsky (@danorlovsky7) December 3, 2019
znModeratorramsfaninmd
Goff ended up picking them apart earlier this year. He was 29/49/395 yards with 1 TD and 1 INT and the INT was a PERFECT pass Gerald Everett tipped to a SEA defender. He has thrown 5 INT’s in five career games vs SEA however, so they do create turnovers.
The SEA D is not that good. The Rams D must somehow keep Wilson from completing 3rd and 38’s for first downs and TD’s or wiggling out of sacks and somehow contain Carson/Penny, but the Rams run D (besides the Ravens debacle) has been very good.
znModeratorRobert Woods faced off-coverage (5+ yds of cushion) on 30 of 41 routes (73%), finishing with 10 receptions for 139 yards against off-coverage.@robertwoods gained 137 of 172 yards after the catch (80%), the most YAC in a game by any player this season.#LARvsAZ | #LARams pic.twitter.com/Dzb0f91I2s
— Next Gen Stats (@NextGenStats) December 2, 2019
znModeratorSeattle defense.
23rd in points
24th in yards
31st against the pass
18th in yards per pass attempt allowed
30th in qb pressures
30th in sack percentage
8th in rushing yards, but 23rd in yards per rush (teams pass on them)
20th in scoring percentage (percentage of drives ending in a score)Where are they good? Turnovers.
The thing about this game is the Rams defense–can it contain their offense?
Even with a young “a year early” 2020 OL, the Rams offense can handle this defense.
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znModeratortoast49
Brockers quietly having a nice season
3 sacks, 4th overall on the team in tackles. Pretty good for a 3-4 DE. Good solid season for him.
znModeratorThis spin by Obo Okoronkwo against D.J. Humphries is one of the best you'll see pic.twitter.com/t0p0tm4B7H
— Cameron DaSilva (@camdasilva) December 2, 2019
znModeratorPFF Week 13 Team of the Week: https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-week-13-team-of-the-week-2019?utm_source=cj&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_campaign=cjaff&cjevent=7b15428c15da11ea828e013c0a24060c
RB TODD GURLEY II, LOS ANGELES RAMS
It’s been a quiet year for Gurley, but Week 13 did wonders for his season-long outlook. Tasked with 19 carries against the Arizona Cardinals, Gurley racked up 95 rushing yards, 61 rushing yards after contact, one touchdown, four additional first downs and three forced missed tackles. As if that wasn’t enough, he also took his lone pass target of the day 22 yards after the catch for a touchdown.CB DAVID LONG JR., LOS ANGELES RAMS
One of PFF’s pre-draft favorites, Rams cornerback David Long did a great job against the Cardinals’ passing attack in Week 13, forcing an incompletion on his single target of the game. He ended the game having allowed a passer rating of just 39.6.
znModeratoralyoshamucci
Game 12, Cards blowout,
Definitely a different team than Ive seen all year. Made me pretty happy.
The Great
1) Feeding Gurley. Let him get up to speed. The 28 yard scamper (BS holding) was a happy reminder.
2) Woods going off.
3) The TD pass to Kupp.
4) Goff’s sense of urgency and body language.
5) Higbee with a game to justify his salary.
6) 5 sacks on Kyler.
7) Rapp pick 6.
The Good
8)Keeping Goff clean … 2 rookies 2 backups … so Whit +4 and we’re still managing to hang.
9) Pride showing. Especially on D.
10) Obo’s hit that was stupidly a penalty.
11) Long’s PD.
12) Howard with meaningful snaps.
13) Gaines getting more push it seems.
The Bad
14) Hey, if it’s 3rd and 8 and you call another WR screen I think Im going to send the puke I puke to the Rams offices. 2nd and 14? Fine. 3rd and 4? Fine.
15) I don’t know who #21 is, and I feel like that’s a failing on my part.
16) Edwards had 4 penalties, 2 were reallllly iffy (especially since he comes from the Big 10, no way that gets called at Wisconsin). But he has to know he has to be careful once he gets one. He doesn’t want a rep.
17) Intentional Grounding? Seriously?
18) I sat Goff and the Rams D … and it looks like it’s going to cost me in fantasy. I’m ashamed of myself. I had seductive options I started in their place … but I deserve to lose … I know.
znModeratorKurt Warner@kurt13warner
As a QB when the ball is popped up in the air go and spike it down to the turf… Wilson tried to do that but couldn’t get above it and tipped up in air for a Pick 6! Funny bounces of the funny ball!!==
One of the craziest Pick-6s you’ll ever see.
Anthony Harris to the 🏠 for 6️⃣! @HOOSDatDude #SKOL
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znModeratorJoJo Natson is out 4-6 weeks with a hamstring injury.
"There's a good chance" Darrell Henderson will return kicks, and Nsimba is next up on punt returns. https://t.co/Gb97HahFZx
— Cameron DaSilva (@camdasilva) December 3, 2019
znModeratoroldnotdead
All QB’s have times where they struggle. It’s how they handle those moments. Last Sunday was a statement game for Goff. He came off two difficult games to hand in a gem. This game showed what he’s capable of. All I can say is that those who want another QB because they think Goff is subpar don’t know the NFL.
The solution at this point is put a good o-line in front of Goff. He needs time to learn how to dissect defenses before the snap. To know what he sees, and what to expect. He’s learning, how to be the elite QB he’s capable of being. McVay is totally correct when he values accuracy above all else.
Arm strength is something that can be developed. I saw it in Brees as a Charger. His arm strength was “good enough” but it definitely needed to be improved upon. In his third year you began to see the improvement in his arm strength. Accuracy however is a different animal. You can improve accuracy only to a point. Goff can be extremely accurate if his mechanics are good. He’s really dropped some dimes at times. That is true talent.
I’ve always liked Philip Rivers and he’s put up a HOF type career. I’ve watched him since he was a rookie. I can say with all certainty that Goff is better at this stage of his career than Rivers was. Goff is a work in progress, but right now he’s better than most. He’s easily in the top 10 of QB’s starting in the NFL. That is nothing to take for granted. That is good enough to win a Super Bowl with.
I for one will simply enjoy watching Goff grow into his position and develop into one of the true elite talents at his position.
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