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znModeratornick Wagoner@nwagoner
The #49ers did not punt in today’s win against the Giants. The last time they played a game without punting was Week 16 of 1993, a 55-17 win against the Detroit Lions.Field Yates@FieldYates
A complete list of players to throw for at least 4 or more TD in each of his team’s first three games in NFL history:
* Russell Wilson.
znModeratorfrom https://theramswire.usatoday.com/lists/rams-bills-week-3-takeaways-reaction/
Jared Goff looks more like his 2018 self
One of the most encouraging parts of the season thus far has been the play of Jared Goff. once again, he was sharp on Sunday, throwing for 321 yards and two touchdowns, completing 23 of his 32 pass attempts. His lone mistake was an ugly interception intended for Van Jefferson, forcing the ball into tight coverage on third down.
He made several great throws down the field, hitting four different receivers for gains of at least 20 yards – and Gerald Everett twice for gains of 18 and 16 yards. He looked sharp, more like the player we saw two seasons ago than the one that struggled mightily last year.
The improved protection certainly helps, but he’s making great decisions, throwing accurately to all levels of the field and has really found a rhythm on the field.
Ramatic@randy_mcmillon
Rams fans FYI Jared Goff was 23 of 32 for 321 yards 2 touchdowns 111.8 passer ratingRich Hammond@Rich_Hammond
Rams did not record a sack, a tackle for loss or a QB hit in the first half.
znModeratorD.K. Metcalf fantasy owners 👀 pic.twitter.com/dmnS1xQdBP
— Marc Sessler (@MarcSessler) September 27, 2020
znModeratorSuh-weet!
Rams lose without punting once all game
How many times has *that* happened?
I’m not going to run thru everything, but the Rams:
– Passed for more yds than the Bills
– Ran for more yds w/a higher YPC than the Bills
– Never punted (Bills punted twice)
– Had fewer turnovers (2-to-1)
– Had more sacks
– Didn’t give up a special team score
– Held the ball 5 min longer… and lost.
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Cameron DaSilva@camdasilva
Jared Goff hit four different receivers for gains of at least 20 yards each. And that doesn’t include 16- and 18-yard passes to Gerald Everett.He was good today.
Stu Jackson@StuJRams
Rams WR Robert Woods: “I’ve been saying it to these guys every single day I’m around them, really. We’re a great team, the best team in the league, believe it, go out there and play like it. We were down 28-3 but that still didn’t put any fear, any doubts in our head.”Rams QB Jared Goff on team’s resiliency facing a 25-point deficit: “I think that’s the main thing you take away from this… At the end of the day, I think you learn that we’re never out of it, no matter what the situation is, what the game is, who we’re playing.”
Sarina@sarina
Sean McVay after losing to the Bills 35-32:
“I saw a lot of individual efforts that were outstanding. I saw resilient group. I saw a team that stayed connected when you go down 28 to three against a really good football team, and they just kept battling. They kept swinging.”Greg Beacham@gregbeacham
Rams coach Sean McVay was clearly agitated in his postgame interview, but also upbeat: “I was really proud of this group. I think I learned a lot about this team, things I already knew and thought. I’m excited for the future with these guys.”Sosa K@QBsMVP
There’s maybe one area of genuine concern for me as it pertains to the Rams – the pass rush. Outside of Aaron Donald, they’re just bad. They made some big plays down the line today (mostly #99) but they have barely gotten any pressure over 3 games now.Very concerning.
Alec Z@alec_zamora
Goff cooked a top 5 d today btw. You’ll still hear slander tomorrow though.
znModeratorRams fall just short of franchise-best comeback, lose to Bills late https://t.co/MkWbdCLs9W
— RamsNewsNow (@RamsNewsNow) September 27, 2020
znModeratorHow Sean McVay views timeouts pic.twitter.com/c6hGx8Fjey
— SeattleRams (@seattlerams_nfl) September 27, 2020
znModeratorJourdan Rodrigue@JourdanRodrigue
Robert Woods: “We’re a great team. We just have to play like it for all four quarters.”Los Angeles Rams UK@LARams_UK
I feel better about this years 2-1 team than I did about last years 3-0 team at this stage.BTHRams@BTH_Rams
So many positives from that game. Weird to have that from a loss.Stu Jackson@StuJRams
Rams HC Sean McVay: “I love this football team. We’re not going to make any excuses. We’re going to use this as an opportunity to move forward.”McVay on adjustments made at halftime: “I saw a lot of individual efforts that were outstanding. I saw a resilient group, I saw a team that stayed connected when you go down 28 to three, against a really good football team. And they just kept battling, they kept swinging.”
McVay also took responsibility for how the first half unfolded: “I did a terrible job of putting us in some really poor situations early in that game. I make no excuses about it. Our guys ended up responding. We made some better adjustments. And the guys made the plays.”
Lindsey Thiry@LindseyThiry
“No, obviously not,” Rams WR Robert Woods said when asked if it appeared teammate Darious Williams committed pass interference. “The receiver initiates the contact and the quarterback is literally just throwing the ball in the area and it wasn’t even a catchable ball…”
znModeratorBills blow 28-3 second-half lead but score with 15 seconds left to win 35-32 https://t.co/KGQxIWzWOE
— ProFootballTalk (@ProFootballTalk) September 27, 2020
znModeratorRams' miraculous comeback falls short in 35-32 loss to Bills: Everything we know https://t.co/EDwrxX34ZB
— Rams Wire (@TheRamsWire) September 27, 2020
znModeratorGame Recap: Rams fall to Bills 35-32 despite late rally
— Los Angeles Rams (@RamsNFL) September 27, 2020
znModeratorTurfShowTimes@TurfShowTimes
Rams RB Raymond Calais active for first time — had a 100-yard kickoff return at Collegiate Bowl, ran 3rd fastest RB time at combine, 7th rd pick by TB, Bucs sign Fournette, Akers hurt, here we go
znModeratorfrom https://ramblinfan.com/2020/09/25/fox-sports-speak-for-yourself-bucky-brooks/
Bucky Brooks made me sit up and take notice of his observations about the LA Rams starting quarterback Jared Goff.
What did he say? Well, it went something like this:
“So Acho (Emanuel)< just last week we had an opportunity to see number one and number two square off in Philadelphia. Jared Goff lit the Eagles up, and so now if I’m (Eagles GM) Howie Roseman if I’m (Eagles head coach) Doug Pederson, I am over there looking across the sideline with envy because I’ve seen Jared Goff not only get my team into the playoffs, and take my team to a Super Bowl. But I’ve actually seen him run out and play in the game. And then, when my guy Jared Goff had a bad year? (Do) you know what he did? He fixed it and rectified it. And now I’m looking at the Rams and they are undefeated. And (Rams head coach) Sean McVay has somehow found a way to unleash the number one overall pick (of the 2016 NFL Draft). And so, maybe just maybe, the Rams got it right when they made the decision to take Jared Goff over Carson Wentz? Because they knew there was only one franchise quarterback in that draft, and his name was Jared Goff – Bucky Brooks
znModeratorStu Jackson@StuJRams
RB Raymond Calais active for the first time this season. DB Darious Williams (ankle) is also active after being listed as questionable, but HC Sean McVay said Friday he expected Williams would be ready to go today.
znModeratorHighest passer rating when targeted (TEs):
1. Noah Fant – 158.3
2. T.J. Hockenson – 155.8
3. Tyler Higbee – 149.8 pic.twitter.com/aODDIYmU25— PFF Fantasy Football (@PFF_Fantasy) September 27, 2020
znModeratorCameron DaSilva@camdasilva
Rams gonna start 3-0 for the third straight year? Or 2-1 for the second time in four years?J.B. Long@JB_Long
A friend sent this “blind resume” comparison for Jared Goff. Thought it would be a fun way to start game day. Let me know if you can identify Player X (hint: retired).
Goff after 56 games:
62.6%
14,761yds
90TD
43 INT
35-21 recordPlayer X:
63.5%
13,067yds
84TD
44 INT
34-22J.B. Long@JB_Long
Player X is Joe Montana.Rams Brothers@RamsBrothers
Nothing better than #GAMEDAY!#Bills still locked in as a 2-point favorite. O/u point total is set at 47. Some enticing player prop bets for the #Rams…
• Kupp: over 54.5 receiving yards
• Goff: over 264.5 yards passing (Fitzpatrick just threw for 328 against them)
znModeratorIan Rapoport@RapSheet
Sources: The #Falcons-#Bears game is officially on, despite ATL CB AJ Terrell being placed on the COVID-19 reserve list and contact tracing over the last more than 24 hours. All ATL players and personnel are cleared for today’s game. No positives from testing conducted yesterday.Two notes on this:
— When checking contact tracing for #Falcons CB AJ Terrell, the tracers found no players registered as being a close contact for Terrell.
— The rest of the teams and players were clear for today’s games, source said. No issues.
znModerator49ers and Rams create an interesting apples-to-apples comparison on the question of whether West Coast teams should travel home between consecutive East Coast games https://t.co/48giZ80DCA
— ProFootballTalk (@ProFootballTalk) September 27, 2020
znModeratorIs Josh Allen Actually Good Now?
link https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/is-josh-allen-actually-good-now/
Josh Allen has had his share of doubters since entering the league. Perhaps his most outspoken critic — Jalen Ramsey — will be playing across the line of scrimmage from him this Sunday.
Ramsey, a starting cornerback for the Los Angeles Rams, infamously described Allen as “trash” after the Bills selected him with the seventh overall pick in the 2018 draft. At the end of Allen’s 2018 rookie season, there weren’t many who would argue with Ramsey’s assessment; in its annual QB Index, the NFL network ranked him 32nd among the 33 NFL quarterbacks with at least 500 snaps. The next year, in 2019, Allen improved to 18th despite completing just 58.8 percent of his passes and averaging 6.7 yards per attempt, numbers that didn’t do much to quell his skeptics.
This year — at least so far — things have been quite different. During his first two years in the league, Allen never threw for more than 266 yards in a game. In his first two games this season, Allen has already eclipsed 300 yards passing twice, the first Bills quarterback to have back-to-back 300-yard-plus games since Drew Bledsoe in 2002. Allen is just the fourth QB in NFL history to start the season with 700-plus passing yards, six-plus touchdowns and no interceptions.
Allen’s Total Quarterback Rating (QBR) is fourth-best in the NFL, behind only Aaron Rodgers, Russell Wilson and Patrick Mahomes. That’s heady company for a guy who ranked 24th in ESPN’s signature metric both of the past two seasons. His top-line season-to-date stats are just as impressive: Allen completed 70.4 percent of his passes for 727 yards against the New York Jets and Miami Dolphins. He passed for six touchdowns and zero interceptions despite facing the fourth-most blitzes of any quarterback through Week 2. And he’s been particularly good when forced to operate on the fly: On passes outside the pocket, Allen has the third-best QBR in the league (97.3).
Allen has also made strides in the small things coaches expect from a franchise QB. In Week 1 against the Jets, facing a third-and-5 early in the second quarter, Allen coaxed an offside penalty from the Jets defensive line with his hard count. The flag was enough to give the Bills the first down, but Allen wisely wanted more. He used the free play to take a deep shot downfield to John Brown, who narrowly missed catching the ball for a 30-yard gain.
The Bills have an analytically inclined front office1 and have surrounded Allen with talent. They traded four draft picks — including a 2020 first-rounder2 — to Minnesota for wide receiver Stefon Diggs in the offseason. Diggs already has 16 catches for 239 receiving yards on the year. The offensive line has done a good job of protecting its QB, posting the sixth-best Pass Block Win Rate in the league. And Bills offensive coordinator Brian Daboll has also done his part to give Allen the best chance for success, dialing up play-action — the most efficient play type in all of football — 34.8 percent of the time, good for fourth-most frequent in the league. It’s paid off: 54.4 percent of the Bills’ passing yards have come from those play-action calls, tops in the NFL.
There’s been a lot to like in Allen’s game this year. But how confident should we be that this season is the new normal, and not just a mirage? After all, we have two seasons of Allen playing below average and just two games of him playing close to elite. One way to make sense of the numbers is to divide them into two groups: stats we know are predictive of future performance and stats that are not.
For quarterbacks, the stats that tend to be stable over time include passing efficiency from a clean pocket, passing efficiency with no play-action, completion percentage over expected and the share of throws that are off target or negatively graded. Each of these aspects of a QB’s performance is indicative of their true skill and is less affected by circumstances and luck. Stats that aren’t predictive of future performance — and that tend to be highly affected by circumstances and luck — include passing under pressure, passing outside the pocket and passing efficiency with play-action.
Allen’s numbers are great in the unstable, less predictive metrics and middle of the road in their stable, more predictive counterparts. Allen’s QBR when not under pressure (79) is good for just 19th in the league. His off-target throw percentage (16.3) has improved from previous years3 but is still good for just 16th in the NFL. And his completion percentage over expected, an NFL Next Gen Stats metric that compares the difficulty of each pass to that of a league-average quarterback in a similar situation, is just 2.1, 16th in the league.
Given the Bills’ opponents so far, this should probably give us pause. Both the Jets and the Dolphins are rated as bottom-10 teams by our Elo rating system, while the Rams, the Bills’ upcoming Week 3 opponent, are a top-10 team.
Allen has raised his ceiling this year, performing at a level many would have considered improbable before this season. But if the math holds up, and Jalen Ramsey has anything to say about the outcome of this Sunday’s game, we should probably expect Allen to begin looking a little less like Mahomes and Wilson and a bit more like the player we’ve seen take the field the past two years.
znModeratorWeapon of Choice (song)
The lines “Walk without rhythm/and it won’t attract the worm” quote the science fiction novel Dune
znModeratorWeek 3 Game Preview: Early undefeated showdown as Rams look to slow down Josh Allen and Bills
J.B. Long
https://www.therams.com/news/week-3-game-preview-rams-bills-2020
Game Trailer: Rams vs. Bills | Robert Woods back in Buffalo to face the franchise that drafted him
This is the Rams least important game in the first two months of the season.Folks, that is not how journalism school would want you to lead a column. “Thanks for stopping by; see you next week!”
Of course, this is a meaningful showdown between a pair of 2-0 teams, and there are mesmerizing matchups throughout. My point is only that if you were to rank the Rams schedule in the first half of the season in terms of playoff implications, this trip to Buffalo would be last or second-to-last.
Tier One: San Francisco (no explanation necessary)
Tier Two: Chicago, Philadelphia, Dallas (NFC contenders)
Tier Three: New York, Washington (NFC pretenders)
Tier Four: Miami, Buffalo (AFC)
Now, how can the Rams convince themselves its Super Bowl LV in September?
Dead Heat Division
One way might be to remember there is no margin for error in the division.
Of the five unbeatens left in the conference, three of them are in the NFC West. It’s the only division in the NFL where all four teams are .500 or better, leading to some speculation that under the new postseason format, the entire West might reach the NFC postseason.
And looking at the out-of-town scoreboard, there’s a solid chance the 49ers, Cardinals, and Seahawks are all winning again this week.
Dual-Threat and Doubters
For the third consecutive week, the Rams defense will face a quarterback capable of doing damage on the ground.
Dak Prescott picked up 30 yards rushing; Carson Wentz only seven.
So far, so good for Brandon Staley.
However, this side of Lamar Jackson, you won’t find many signal-callers more dynamic than Josh Allen, who has more yards than 22 teams this season and has authored 18 rushing scores in 30 career contests.
Which might be why, for the third consecutive week, Jared Goff has to hear pundits prefer the opposition’s signal caller.
A chip on a shoulder is never a bad way to stay sharp and motivated, either.
Jekyll and Josh
One of two things has happened for Allen in 2020:
Either he remedied his major deficiencies or he’s due for a regression.
After two seasons, the book on Buffalo’s 2018 first-round pick was too many turnover-worthy plays (last out of 38 qualifiers last year, per Pro Football Focus) and inaccuracy beyond 20 yards (lowest downfield completion percentage in the NFL in 2019).
After back-to-back career-best performances to begin this season, it’s been a total 180 for Allen. And everyone thinks they know the reason why.
Digging This Matchup
Stefon Diggs — one of the best deep targets in football – shares the NFL receiving lead and will collide with Jalen Ramsey for only the second time in their careers on Sunday.
With Minnesota and Jacksonville, respectively, in 2016 the star wideout went for three catches and 55 yards receiving against Ramsey, who was playing his rookie season for the Jaguars.
After a bumper-crop of draft picks exchanged hands, they’re playing for different franchises this time around.
Cornering the Market
The undercard has to be Robert Woods versus the second-highest paid corner in the league, Tre’Davious White. Last year’s NFL interception leader helped set the market for Ramsey and Los Angeles back in April.
Meantime, it will be the first trip back to Orchard Park for Bobby Trees, who was drafted 41st overall by the Bills in 2013.
“He’s one of the few back-to-back 1,200-yard fullbacks in the NFL,” McVay quipped this week, referencing his receiver’s tenacity. “If you don’t like Robert Woods, then something’s wrong with you.”
znModeratorAndrew Whitworth: “You’ve seen what we talked about last year has come to fruition”
https://www.therams.com/news/andrew-whitworth-what-we-talked-about-last-year-has-come-to-fruition
THOUSAND OAKS, Calif. – The Rams’ run game is back, which in turn is helping the passing attack and opening up the entire offense as a whole.
For any of that to happen, though, it requires a strong effort up front. Coincidentally, early returns on the 2020 version of Los Angeles’ offensive line are promising.
“You’ve seen what we talked about last year has come to fruition,” Andrew Whitworth, the most experienced member of the group, told reporters during a video conference Friday afternoon.
Statistically, the Rams are fifth in the NFL in total offense – ninth in passing and third in rushing.
From an analytics standpoint, the 38-year-old Whitworth’s 97 percent pass block win rate is good for sixth among all offensive tackles in the league, according to ESPN. As a team, the Rams have the seventh-best run block win rate, helped by two of those young players who gained experience last year: Austin Corbett, whose 77 percent run block win rate is fourth-highest among all NFL offensive guards, and Austin Blythe, whose 73 percent run block win rate is sixth among centers.
Amid all the injuries the Rams’ offensive line endured last year, Corbett and Blythe were bright spots. Blythe started at right guard, moved to left, then took over for Brian Allen at center after Allen’s season-ending knee injury in Week 10. That shuffling led to Corbett plugging the hole at left guard, and he showed enough there to retain a starting role, though at right guard instead. Blythe also retained his starting job at center.
“I mean, a lot of these guys that we believed in that were young, just had no experience, and you get out there and play in real games and get a little bit of trial by fire, and get out there and experience things, it started to come together the last part of the season last year,” Whitworth said. “The play got better and better.”
Whitworth sees that same toughness and physicality in second-year pro Edwards, who is now stepping in for Joe Noteboom (calf) following Noteboom’s placement on injured reserve. Like Corbett and Blythe, Edwards gained valuable experience as a rookie last year (six starts in 10 games) and is well-positioned to step into a starting role.
“Dave, that’s how he’s wired,” Whitworth said. “He’ll fit right in because that’s the style of football he’s used to playing at Wisconsin, that’s kind of the player he’s been when he’s stepped in for us, because that’s really the style he plays and what he’s best at. I expect him to step in and do well.”
Sunday presents perhaps the biggest challenge to date for Los Angeles’ offensive line, going up against a Buffalo defensive line that has contributed to the NFL’s No. 3 run defense and No. 5 total defense.
Pass this test, and it only further solidifies the progress that has been made.
“They really have,” McVay said, when asked how well the offensive line has been doing in the run game and limiting sacks through the first two weeks. “They’ve done an excellent job.”
znModeratorThat’s right only progressives know what causes poverty. BTW: I resent being put in the same group as “racists”.
Okay that’s fair, that list with 3 groups including racist, that didn’t help the discussion.
Anyway. I do stand by what I said: the KEY data is the fact that blacks are disproportionately stopped, arrested, etc. And disproportionately by a huge amount. That alone erases any argument about poor whites getting hassled by police too. The disproportion is by a huge number.
So no I do not have much tolerance for the “whites get hassled too” argument.
And the reason those who believe centrists and conservatives tend to view poverty in the same way is because those who say that believe both of the 2 Cs have a stake in what causes it. Is that fair? It actually might be!
And yes there’s poverty all over the world, but most of that is not occurring in the world’s wealthiest nation, so those other places have a lesser chance of fixing it. We are one of the places that could end or at least reduce it (if we wanted). At the same time, there’s less poverty than here in advanced countries like those in Scandinavia, places that follow very different social and economic policies than we do. What’s the reason for the big resistance to those policies here?
znModeratorThe main problem I (as a leftist) have with them is this — Yes, they are right to point out that Race does not explain the Facts/Stats.
Plenty of POOR-whites are killed by police.
And yes, plenty of POOR-blacks kill other POOR-blacks. Many more than the Cops are killing.These are all excuses the racists use, so they can argue that there’s no racism.
If you are black you have a statistically greater chance of being stopped, searched, arrested, held, tried, and convicted. And you then get a longer sentence. That’s if you don’t get killed in the first place.
A very good example is drugs. The percentage of whites and the percentage of blacks who do any kind of illegal drugs is about equal. But you are far more likely to be pulled over and searched for drugs if you are black.
And poor whites kill poor whites. Killing tends to happen in the neighborhood.
What stats don’t say about the so-called black on black crime thing is that the percentage of violent crime in areas economically defined by poverty are always high, regardless of race.
Which gets us back to WV’s point about why is there poverty. The centrist, conservative, and racist answers are all the same. They did it to themselves.
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znModeratorAmerican football@NFL_Journal
little known fact: According to Phil Olsen who shared agents/lawyers with Gabriel, all players were traded (as assets). As such Gabe had no-trade clause & so demanded payment from the Rams-which he gotthe lawyer? Edward L. Masry of Erin Brockovich fame
znModeratorBills vs. Rams: Behind enemy lines with Rams Wire
Nick Wojton
The Bills are a mere couple of hours away from facing their first NFC opponent of the 2020 season, the Los Angeles Rams. It’s not a team Buffalo is known for facing, so perhaps you’re a little behind on your Rams knowledge. That’s fair.
In order to truly get some insight on all-things Rams related, Bills Wire linked up with our friend Cam DaSilva, managing editor of Rams Wire, to pick his brain ahead of Sunday’s Week 3 Bills-Rams meeting. Intel from behind enemy lines right here:
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Entering 2020, Tyler Higbee was one of the most slept on tight ends in the NFL… exactly how good is he? The Bills might be without their best coverage linebacker Matt Milano in this one.
CD: He’s really developed into a well-rounded tight end in the NFL. His route running has improved in the last year or so, as have his hands – which were a trouble spot for him previously. Some of his production comes from Sean McVay’s play calling, which gets him open on drags, checkdowns and simple out routes, but Higbee is a big possession receiver who can also attack the seams.
What’s your general thoughts on the extension for Robert Woods? Deserving? He never really took off in Buffalo, but he always was liked by Bills Mafia.
CD: Definitely deserving. He was one of the most underrated and underpaid receivers in the league before signing this extension, and had he not gotten hurt in 2017, he’d like be coming off three straight 1,000-yard seasons. He’s as reliable and consistent as they come, almost always proving to be good for five catches and 70 yards each week. He doesn’t get enough credit for being such a good blocker, either, which is a strength of his game – as I’m sure you know.
A bit better from Jared Goff this season? What’s different?
CD: He’s taking what the defense gives him and getting more time in the pocket. McVay is scheming receivers wide open for Goff, but it’s important that he’s taking those throws rather than trying to force passes into tight windows. It helps that he’s been given a heavy dose of play action, which was his bread and butter in 2017 and 2018. The biggest thing is that he’s getting good protection from his linemen, which has allowed him to see the field much better.
I’d be foolish not to ask about Aaron Donald. especially since the Bills’ interior O-line isn’t the best. As someone who watches him weekly, what will stand out about him?
CD: His quickness. A man that size should not be able to move as quickly as he can. Oh, and it helps that he can toss aside 300-pound linemen like they’re the size of you and I. He just does everything well. He can turn speed to power, he can bull rush right off the snap, he can use his hands to knock a blocker away, and he can win from anywhere on the line. There’s not an offensive lineman in the league that will win a majority of one-on-one matchups with Donald.
What’s your prediction for this one? Who wins and why?
CD: I think the Rams are going to win a close one. Hopefully it doesn’t come down to special teams because they’ve been bad in that area through two weeks, but I just think their offense is in such a rhythm right now that it might be hard for the Bills to stop them completely. This will also be the Rams’ toughest test, going up against the Bills’ defense, but McVay is outstanding at game planning and should be able to exploit any weaknesses in Buffalo’s defense. I’ll take the Rams, 26-24.
znModerator— 𝐏𝐫𝐨 𝐅𝐨𝐨𝐭𝐛𝐚𝐥𝐥 𝐉𝐨𝐮𝐫𝐧𝐚𝐥🏈 (@NFL_Journal) September 26, 2020
September 26, 2020 at 1:51 am in reply to: Rightwing violent-fringe, rightwing conspiracy theories, etc. #121721
znModeratorPatriot Coalition: Leaked Messages Show Far-Right Group’s Plans for Portland Violence
The summer of 2020 has seen the city of Portland, Oregon, become a symbol and a venue for the further, dramatic polarization of the United States. More than a hundred nights of intense protests against police violence by left-wing activists have led to further police violence in response, and to President Donald Trump declaring the city a “beehive of terrorists” and an “anarchist jurisdiction.” A great deal of reporting has been dedicated to the city’s leftist protesters. Less national attention has been focused on those who perceive the protesters as their enemies: a network of “Patriot” militias and extremist groups, who have in recent weeks been staging violent confrontations in Portland’s downtown streets.
Bellingcat has acquired several months of chat logs from the Patriot Coalition of Oregon, a network of pro-Trump, pro-police activists. These chat logs were provided by an infiltrator affiliated with the antifascist collective Eugene Antifa. We were also given login information for the infiltrator’s account on GroupMe, a secure messaging app owned by Microsoft. This allowed us to directly observe the group’s communications, to verify the information provided to us and to export a log of those chats directly from the application. (Many posts contain spelling and grammatical errors, which we have not altered.)
These logs provide an intimate look inside a growing insurgent network, and shed new light on episodes of armed conflict which are already on the public record. Topics of conversation include plans for violence in the streets of Portland, celebration of acts of thuggery and even discussions about harming elected leaders and journalists. More than anything, the chats catalog the rapid radicalization of Patriot Coalition’s membership, many of whom express a willingness to kill their perceived left-wing enemies.
Who Are These People?
The Patriot Coalition of Oregon (often just referred to as Patriot Coalition) was founded in the summer of 2020 by a person who posted under the GroupMe username “Patriot Coalition.” Most other members called her “Momma Bear.” She appears to have been largely motivated by her love of the police and military, as well as her support for President Trump. On August 20th she wrote: “I am the founder of the group- I founded it months ago and it was because I was sick and F’ing tired of watching what was happening… we have men and women fighting for us to keep us safe- they deserve to come home to peace- NOT continue to fight! We owe that to them…”
The leaked chat logs appear to reveal that some members of the Patriot Coalition have taken part in multiple violent rallies throughout the summer, and that they claim to have operated a series of vigilante patrols and checkpoints during the Oregon wildfires. While the chats appear to show they work and fight alongside members of extremist groups like the Proud Boys, American Wolf and 1776 2.0, the Patriot Coalition seems to have no coherent ideology beyond a desire to violently confront leftists in the name of the police and President Trump. A user identified as Paige summed up the general feelings of the group in a post made ahead of a what turned out to be a bloody ‘Back the Blue’ rally on August 22nd in Portland when she wrote: “I’m waiting for the presidential go to start open firing.”
Online, Patriot Coalition prides itself on an unusually strict vetting process, which they (wrongly, it turns out) believed would protect them from being infiltrated. The group’s most public face was its Facebook group. A first (now archived) page had more than 1,500 members.
Individuals interested in joining were subjected to a “security check” before being allowed into a private GroupMe room where more secretive conversations occurred and potential illegal and violent activity was discussed. Membership in this group tended to hover a little over 100.
In chats, ‘Momma Bear’ and other leaders of the group repeatedly expressed confidence in their vetting process. This probably explains why members of the group felt comfortable posting shocking and disturbing content. In one example from August 16th, a user identified as Shelly A suggested members of Patriot Coalition might kill antifascists with injected poisons.
Immediately after this she notes that she is, “…getting tired of hearing about them and the evil Democrats.” Patriot Coalition members regularly declare Democratic politicians to be “Antifa” and thus fair targets for violence.
Over the course of the summer, the group’s original founder stepped down amid dissension over the group’s response to Oregon’s wildfire emergency – her efforts to restrain members from a vigilante response to false information about Antifa arsonists cost her popularity among members.
A new leader, identified as “Trent,” was appointed in her place, heading a leadership team which was often challenged and berated in the chats. Trent soon decided he didn’t want to lead the group either, but eventually changed his mind and recommitted. Beyond this leadership turmoil, the chat logs show frequent conflicts between members over the wisdom of certain actions, including attacks in the city of Portland. Some of these arguments have led to members leaving. Those who remain have expressed a growing desire to train and prepare for further violence, up to and beyond November’s Presidential election.
As user Roger Charlie Bravo posted on September 15th: “What we are doing is not random. Patriots around the country are currently organizing and preparing. We know D day is coming after November. We know that what we are seeing now is a betrayal of trust of the people by our government. We know that this war has a long time to go. We are not alone. There are people all around us supporting us. There are people all around that would stand side by side with us.”
Planning for Violence
Discussions of violence in the Patriot Coalition group chat are not hypothetical. While some individuals are likely grandstanding, the chat logs show members gearing up for a number of events where very real violence occurred.
On August 22nd more than 300 heavily armed right-wing demonstrators rallied in downtown Portland for what was, nominally, a rally supporting the police. Yet the situation quickly degenerated into a mass brawl, with numerous injuries (including to one of the authors of this article).
Those events reflected the plans that Patriot Coalition had made. In the lead up, members discussed acquiring paintball guns and freezing their ammunition for maximum damage. During a discussion on August 18th, a member asked: “Is this for real? Paintballs?” The group founder, ‘Momma Bear,’ who at that point was still in a leadership position, responded: “Some people do not own anything else – or they can’t own anything else.” Though she didn’t clarify the comment, federal gun laws in the United States bar felons from owning powder firearms.
She went on to write: “Paintball markers can be amped up to push more power- trust me – they freakin hurt and leave nasty ass bruises…So for all of you paintball marker carriers- see if you can somehow get your hands on Dynasty’s Banana paint- it has a nasty chemical in it that causes cramping.”
One member of the group, David Willis, messaged the group on August 18th to ask: “Where do you get rubber balls for your paintball gun?” During the rally, Willis was apparently filmed and identified by antifascist activists as having fired indiscriminately into a crowd of left-wing protesters. He later bragged in the chat, after the August 22nd protest: “I was the one with the ar style paintballcgun yesterday i had 200 rubber rounds they worked great but i did have some jams it could have been the gun.”
Willis is currently being sued as the result of an assault on a Portland cider bar frequented by antifascists. During one discussion in the chats, he urged members not to freeze paintballs as “it makes them wildly inaccurate.” Instead, he suggested purchasing “glass breaker balls that are rubber coated metal.”
The authors of this article attempted to reach out to Willis but did not receive a response before press time.
Mark Melchi, a member of the chat group who also heads a militant anti-Antifa group named 1776 2.0, posted on August 17th: “My Group 1776 2.0. Has been fighting Antifa in Seattle, Portland, for months. They are all hit an run tactics from a few behind the main rows of people. When things get going. The Portland Ganges who also hide in Antifa will shoot you…Like they have done with a few of our guys. This won’t be a simple fist fight. People will get shot, stabbed and beat. We have fought with guys in Portland who are like giant Russians so, they’re not all soy boys. We must be ready to defend with lethal response. If we don’t get to enough of them they will just comeback when we leave, just like the Taliban did in Afghanistan. We need to make it dramatic enough for them not to want to return. Suggest wearing mask and nothing to identify you on Camera…to prevent any future prosecution.”
A pseudonymous user who identified as Dan-Medford, appeared to agree: “Always wear a mask at these events.” He added, “if its my time, then its my time. But I’m going out the same way I came in. Bloody and screaming. No more terrorists in my home.” Another user, Rex, said: “We need to tell the feds ‘we’re coming and Hells coming with us’ and if they’re not going to help… then stay the f..k out of our way.” This too met widespread agreement, with a user named Ken stating on the topic of antifascists: “They need to be shot down like rabid coyotes no questions asked.”
When contacted by the authors of this article by email, Melchi suggested screen grabs of comments could have been easily altered with Photoshop, without addressing the exported chat logs, or accounting for his comments. In response to questions about his comments, and his political beliefs, Melchi issued threats, writing “Communist/Domestic Terrorists/Marxis have zero place in America and will be removed from our land, with hugs, violence, snacks, however!”
The chat logs appear to show that the eventual use of less-than-lethal weapons on August 22nd was a grudging compromise, made between more aggressive and cautious members for the sake of public impressions, or “optics.” Prior to the afternoon rally user Ramon Blackwolf warned that the event would receive “nation wide attention.” He followed up by promising: “But our fun will be Saturday night.” On August 19th Melchi asked for clarification about what was planned for the night of the 22nd.
“Hey guys, I guess I miss understood something originally. All the groups we have coming is for the night clearing operation or for the back the blue event in the day? I thought the night operation was the real focus. Just trying to clarify so I can correct with my members as well.”
A user who identified as Nate D. responded to him; “Both are important in my opinion. I plan to be there all day and night until the streets are clear lol.” Another member identified as Jason followed up: “I think most are in favor of both. A huge show of presence in the day to let them know we are here and a night op to show that we are done fucking around.” This plan met with widespread approval, with Patriot Coalition founder ‘Momma Bear’ noting: “Daytime we are to be respectful, calm, quiet, only react if forced to… we must be perfect… night time- it all changes.”
This planned night time raid never occurred, The “Patriots” and their Proud Boy allies were forced out of downtown by a crowd of antifascists that substantially outnumbered them. While they would later claim victory, contemporaneous private chats suggest a disorderly rout.
znModeratorCongratulations to this Australian Broadcasting Corp. reporter for asking a great question. https://t.co/ZC1GyQsB9R
— George Conway (@gtconway3d) September 26, 2020
September 26, 2020 at 12:14 am in reply to: do the Bills stand even a fraction of a chance against the Rams? #121719
znModeratorAnd I put some Rodrigue in the “press sets up the Bills game” thread. That’s always a good read. http://theramshuddle.com/topic/press-sets-up-the-buffalo-game/#post-121718
znModeratorAgainst Bills quarterback Josh Allen…the Rams’ defense will need to be especially disciplined when plays break down. Allen can extend a play with his legs and is a big body who is hard to bring down. That will be the role of the defensive line and linebackers; when Allen takes off and runs, the secondary absolutely must maintain coverage and be sticky, because Allen will be looking downfield for players and has shown marked improvement in getting the ball to them after going on the run.
The Rams want to make Allen’s life miserable in many ways on Sunday, but the biggest one is introducing him to what defensive coordinator Brandon Staley calls “New York City rush hour traffic.” That means getting in his face, staying in his face when he runs, forcing him horizontally and keeping him off balance and off schedule, and locking down the back end so he can’t find an outlet. It seems like when Allen tries to force plays, things go wrong for him.
Safety John Johnson III said it much better: “Huge arm, huge body, and I just remember watching him take off and run like, ‘Wow you really gotta have a tackling plan for him.’ He’s not going to go down easy. He’s not going to run, he’s not going to slide. So you really gotta have plan. He just has a powerful arm, sometimes to a fault. So we just gotta make sure to stay deeper than the deepest, and go from there. We can’t let any balls go over our head.”
This is just me thinking out loud, but with the amount of trust the Rams are developing in their secondary and the overall range of the players within it, I wonder if they’ll try to activate more blitzers this week? They aren’t blitzing much — just 14 times so far, among the lowest in the league — but if they think flushing Allen can work for them and they know they’ll be OK sacrificing a defensive back on the other end, maybe…
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