The Trump Thread: Pro? Con? Who cares?

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Billy_T wrote:

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Tom Nichols@RadioFreeTom
Trump explaining the danger of stock prices, saying everyone owns stocks. The amazing thing about this is that a big chunk of his base, which does not own stocks, is probably nodding along as if they do,

Was thinking the same thing. Last time I checked — but haven’t rechecked this recently — the richest 1% holds more than half the stocks. And, of course, the richest three Americans hold more wealth than the bottom 50% of the country combined . . . (Bezos, Gates and Buffet until recently. I think Zuckerberg has taken Buffet’s place).

Trump’s voters likely don’t know these things — or they don’t care, cuz they’re certain they’ll be in that 1% soon enough.

Yeah they’ve “heard” these things but it doesn’t matter. To them its who talks the “toughest” and to them its Trump by a long shot.

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NEW: In upcoming book, Michael Cohen writes Donald Trump's disdain for Obama was so extreme he hired a "Faux-Bama" to participate in a video in which he "ritualistically belittled the first black president and then fired him." He includes this photo: https://t.co/LGrqsUUrY2 pic.twitter.com/otwYW8VSmQ

— Pervaiz Shallwani (@Pervaizistan) September 6, 2020

[wv]

The “Trump said fallen soldiers were losers” thing sounds like a Dem-Smear tactic to me. Cut into Trump’s military following. Part of his base.

Wait a second….is it even possible to ‘smear’ Trump?

Surreal times.

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wv wrote:

The “Trump said fallen soldiers were losers” thing sounds like a Dem-Smear tactic to me. Cut into Trump’s military following. Part of his base.

The timing of it is. The timing of it is politics.

But it’s a real thing. His disdain is just remarkable. And it stretches all the way back to WW 1 and WW 2 vets too.

You would think that just ordinary common sense would tell him, keep your mouth shut about that. If nothing else put on a fake patriot face. He can’t even pull that off.

[Billy_T]

It fits a pattern going back decades for him. He’s on tape calling McCain a loser for being captured, in a Dan Rather (2000) interview. He repeated this when he ran for president. Kelly’s silence after the latest accusation speaks volumes too.

I’d bet 99% of the story is spot on.

Also, his approval/disapproval ratings were already underwater with vets, before this came out, and a plurality of vets favored Biden over Trump. He’s not nearly as popular among military rank and file as he wants the nation to believe. Endless stunts using the military as political props have taken their toll, and vets tend not to like it when a president trashes their brethren in public. Vindman, Gold Star families, etc. etc.

I doubt they think much of Trump’s choices to head the military branches, either. Especially when he tried to install billionaire CEOs.

Again, I think his overall support is paper thin. Most of it comes from diehard Republicans, who vote Red no matter what. Of course, Biden’s is thin as well.

Diehard Red and Blue voters. It’s gonna be all about the clash between voter turnout and voter suppression.

[Billy_T]

So far, the Atlantic article has been backed up by reports from the AP, the NYT, the WaPo and now Fox News.

Trump called for the firing of the Fox reporter for . . . for . . . doing her job:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/media/2020/09/05/jennifer-griffin-defended-by-fox-news-colleagues-after-trump-twitter-attack-over-her-confirmation-atlantic-reporting/

Jennifer Griffin defended by Fox News colleagues after Trump Twitter attack over confirmation of Atlantic reporting

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September 5, 2020 at 2:44 p.m. EDT
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Jennifer Griffin caused an unexpected media firestorm Friday when she did something fairly routine for a reporter: A competitor had broken a story on her beat, so she set out to see whether she could match it.

In this case, it was the Atlantic’s blockbuster report that President Trump had made disparaging remarks about veterans. Griffin, a national security correspondent for Fox News, found sources to validate key aspects of the story, sharing her reporting on Twitter and on anchor Bret Baier’s news show.

Other beat reporters had confirmed aspects of the Atlantic story, too. But the fact that Griffin works for Fox, whose opinion hosts and corporate owners are seen as reliable supporters and defenders of the president, turned her revelations into a watershed development. It led to Trump’s call for her firing late Friday on Twitter — and an impassioned pushback from Fox News colleagues defending her journalistic honor.
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In a nine-tweet thread Friday afternoon, Griffin cited two unnamed former senior administration officials who she said confirmed for her many key aspects of Atlantic Editor in Chief Jeffrey Goldberg’s story about Trump’s cancellation of a trip to Aisne-Marne American Cemetery while visiting Paris in 2018.

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Billy_T wrote:

So far, the Atlantic article has been backed up by reports from the AP, the NYT, the WaPo and now Fox News

More on this.

From Facebook.

(I don’t know who the original poster was, it was re-posted anonymously).

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This has all been fact checked. Below please find a laundry list of things the POTUS has done that disgraces our country.

• ⁠In May 2020, the White House ended National Guard deployments one day before they could claim benefits
• ⁠The Trump admin seized 5 million masks intended for VA hospitals. Kushner distributes these masks to private entities for a fee, who then sells the masks to the government
• ⁠Trump fired the captain of the USS Theodore Roosevelt after he warned superiors that COVID19 was spreading among his crew. The virus subsequently spread amongst the crew.
• ⁠After Iran’s retaliatory strike, 109 US troops suffered brain injuries. Trump dismissed these as “headaches”
• ⁠On July 20, 2017, in room 2E924 of the Pentagon, Trump told a room full of Generals, “You’re a bunch of dopes and babies”
• ⁠Pardoned multiple war criminals, which stomped on long standing military values, discipline, and command. Trump has no military experience (May&Nov, 2019)
• ⁠Trump mocked Lt. Col. Vindman for his rank and uniform. He threatened said purple heart officer, resulting in the Army providing him protection
• ⁠Trump’s Chief of Staff worked—in secret—to deny comprehensive health coverage to Vietnam Vets who suffered from Agent Orange.
• ⁠There is a facility in Tijuana for US veterans that Trump deported. Wounded war vet, Sen Duckworth (D) marked Veterans Day 2019 by visiting this facility
• ⁠Russia took control of the main U.S. military facility in Syria abandoned on Trump’s orders. Russia now owns the airstrip we built
• ⁠On Oct 7, 2019, Trump abruptly withdrew support from America’s allies in Syria after a phone call with Turkey’s president (Erdogan). Turkey subsequently bombed US Special Forces.
• ⁠Trump sent thousands of American troops to defend the oil assets of the country that perpetrated 9/11
• ⁠In Sept 2019, he made an Air Force cargo crew, flying from the U.S. to Kuwait stop in Scotland (where there’s no U.S. base) to refuel at a commercial airport (where it costs more), so they could stay overnight at a Trump property (which isn’t close to the airport). Trump’s golf courses are losing money, so he’s forcing the military to pay for 5-star nights there.
• ⁠In Sept, 2019, Pentagon pulled funds for military schools, military housing funds, and daycare to pay for Trump’s border wall.
• ⁠In Aug, 2019, emails revealed that three of Trump’s Mar-a-Lago pals, who are now running Veterans Affairs, are rampant with meddling. “They had no experience in veterans affairs (none of them even served in the military) nor underwent any kind of approval process to serve as de facto managers. Yet, with Trump’s approval, they directed actions and criticized operations without any oversight. They wasted valuable staff time in hundreds of pages of communications and meetings, emails show. Emails reveal disdainful attitudes within the department to the trio’s meddling.”
• ⁠Veterans graves will be “dug up” for the border wall, after Trump instructed aides to seize private property. Trump told officials he would pardon them if they break the law by illegally seizing property
• ⁠Children of deployed US troops are no longer guaranteed citizenship. This includes US troops posted abroad for years at a time (August 28, 2019)
• ⁠On Aug 2, 2019, Trump requisitioned military retirement funds towards border wall
• ⁠On July 31, 2019, Trump ordered the Navy rescind medals to prosecutors who were prosecuted war criminals
• ⁠Trump denied a U.S. Marine of 6 years entry into the United States for his citizenship interview (Reported July 17, 2019)
• ⁠Trump made the U.S. Navy Blue Angels violate ethics rules by having them fly at his July 4th political campaign event (July 4, 2019)
• ⁠Trump demanded US military chiefs stand next to him at 4th of July parade (reported July 2, 2019)
• ⁠In June, 2019, Trump sent troops to the border to paint the fence for a better “aesthetic appearance”
• ⁠Trump used his D-Day interview at a cemetery commemorating fallen US soldiers to attack a Vietnam veteran (June 6, 2019)
• ⁠Trump started his D-Day commemoration speech by attacking a private citizen (Bette Midler, of all people) (reported on June 4th, 2019)
• ⁠Trump made his 2nd wife, Marla Maples, sign a prenup that would have cut off all child support if Tiffany joined the military (reported June 4th, 2019)
• ⁠On May 27, 2019, Trump turned away US military from his Memorial Day speech because they were from the destroyer USS John S. McCain
• ⁠Trump ordered the USS John McCain out of sight during his visit to Japan (May 15, 2019). The ship’s name was subsequently covered. (May 27, 2019)
• ⁠Trump purged 200,000 vets’ healthcare applications (due to known administrative errors within VA’s enrollment system) (reported on May 13, 2019)
• ⁠Trump deported a spouse of fallen Army soldier killed in Afghanistan, leaving their daughter parentless (April 16, 2019)
• ⁠On March 20, 2019, Trump complained that a deceased war hero didn’t thank him for his funeral
• ⁠Between 12/22/2018, and 1/25/2019, Trump refused to sign his party’s funding bill, which shut down the government, forcing the Coast Guard to go without pay, which made service members rely on food pantries. However, his appointees got a $10,000 pay raise
• ⁠He banned service members from serving based on gender identity (1/22/2019)
• ⁠He denied female troops access to birth control to limit sexual activity (on-going. Published Jan 18, 2019)
• ⁠He tried to deport a marine vet who is a U.S.-born citizen (Jan 16, 2019)
• ⁠When a man was caught swindling veterans pensions for high-interest “cash advances,” Trump’s Consumer Financial Protection Bureau fined him $1 (Jan 26, 2019)
• ⁠He called a retired general a ‘dog’ with a ‘big, dumb mouth’ (Jan 1, 2019)
• ⁠He increased privatization of the VA, leading to longer waits and higher taxpayer cost (2018)
• ⁠He finally visited troops 2 years after taking office, but only after 154 vacation days at his properties (Dec 26, 2018)
• ⁠He revealed a covert Seal Team 5 deployment, including names and faces, on Twitter during his visit to Iraq (Dec 26, 2018)
• ⁠Trump lied to deployed troops that he gave them a 10% raise (12/26/2018). He tried giving the military a raise that was lower than the standard living adjustment. Congress told him that idea wasn’t going to work. Then after giving them the raise that Congress made him, he lied about it pretending that it was larger than Obama’s. It wasn’t.
• ⁠He fired service members living with HIV just before the 2018 holidays
• ⁠He tried to slash disability and unemployment benefits for Veterans to $0, and eliminate the unemployability extrascheduler rating (Dec 17, 2018)
• ⁠He called troops on Thanksgiving and told them he’s most thankful for himself (Thanksgiving, 2018)
• ⁠He urged Florida to not count deployed military votes (Nov 12, 2018)
• ⁠He canceled an Arlington Cemetery visit on Veterans Day due to light rain (Nov 12, 2018)
• ⁠While in Europe commemorating the end of WWI, he didn’t attend the ceremony at a US cemetery due to the rain — other world leaders went anyway (Nov 10, 2018)
• ⁠He used troops as a political prop by sending them on a phantom mission to the border and made them miss Thanksgiving with their families (Oct-Dec, 2018)
• ⁠He stopped using troops as a political prop immediately after the election. However, the troops remained in muddy camps on the border (Nov 7, 2018)
• ⁠Trump changed the GI Bill through his Forever GI Act, causing the VA to miss veteran benefits, including housing allowances. This caused many vets to run out of food and rent. (reported October 7, 2018)
• ⁠Trump doubled the rejection rate for veterans requesting family deportation protections (July 5, 2018)
• ⁠Trump deported active-duty spouses (11,800 military families face this problem as of April 2018)
• ⁠He forgot a fallen soldier’s name (below) during a call to his pregnant widow, then attacked her the next day (Oct 23-24, 2017)
• ⁠He sent commandos into an ambush due to a lack of intel, and sends contractors to pick them up, resulting in a commando being left behind, tortured, and executed. (Trump approved the mission because Bannon told him Obama didn’t have the guts to do it) (Oct 4, 2017)
• ⁠He blocked a veteran group on Twitter (June 2017)
• ⁠He ordered the discharge of active-duty immigrant troops with good records (2017-present)
• ⁠He deported veterans (2017-present)
• ⁠He said he knows more about ISIS than American generals (Oct 2016)
• ⁠On Oct 3, 2016, Trump said vets get PTSD because they aren’t strong (note: yes, he said it’s ‘because they aren’t strong.’ He didn’t say it’s ‘because they’re weak.’ This distinction is important because of Snopes)
• ⁠Trump accepted a Purple Heart from a fan at one of his rallies and said: “I always wanted to get the Purple Heart. This was much easier.” (Aug 2, 2016)
• ⁠Trump attacks Gold Star families: Myeshia Johnson (gold star widow), Khan family (gold star parents) etc. (2016-present)
• ⁠Trump sent funds raised from a Jan 2016 veterans benefit to the Donald J Trump Foundation instead of veterans charities (the foundation has since been ordered shut because of fraud) (Jan, 2016)
• ⁠Trump said he has “more training militarily than a lot of the guys that go into the military” because he went to a military-style academy (2015 biography)
• ⁠Trump said he doesn’t consider POWs heroes because they were caught. He said he prefers people who were not caught (July 18, 2015)
• ⁠Trump said having unprotected sex was his own personal Vietnam (1998)
• ⁠For a decade, Trump sought to kick veterans off of Fifth Avenue because he found them unsightly nuisances outside of Trump Tower. 1991
• ⁠Trump dodged the draft 5 times by having a doctor diagnose him with bone spurs.
• ⁠No Trump in America has ever served in the military; this spans 5 generations, and every branch of the family tree. In fact, the reason his grandfather immigrated to America was to avoid military service.

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[zn]

Even more hilarious in context pic.twitter.com/io7Af5qkuo

— Benjamin Dixon (@BenjaminPDixon) September 7, 2020

[wv]

Believe it or not, i tend to agree with Sagaar on a lot of this. And yall know what i think of Trump. But the Atlantic piece struck me as mainly a political-hit-piece by the Dem-CIA-War-Machine.

And like Sagaar, I think its more than likely Trump did indeed say something along the lines of whats been reported. I’m SURE he’s said a LOT worse in the last four years. But the Timing of the story AND the agenda of The Atlantic/NYT/Wash-Post/MSNBC etc has NEVER been simply to ‘tell the truth.’ Its the Thomas Friedman agenda. I often call it the deep-state, but its basically just the Imperialism-Agenda if that term is less problematic.

Am i the onliest one who agrees with Sagaar?
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[wv]

Polls have Biden winning the Old-people vote. This is why i never thot Biden’s brain-disintigration would hurt Biden. I think Old people give candidates a break on the brain-thing. They dont care.

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[wv]

Biden Ads. Fwiw.

I think they are ‘ok.’ Kinda bland but effective, maybe.
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[zn]

Quietly contemplating the fact that a woman who accuses the president of rape says she has DNA evidence to corroborate the allegation, and the president, who denies it, has enlisted DOJ to help him avoid providing the DNA evidence that, if he weren’t lying, would exonerate him.

— Brian Beutler (@brianbeutler) September 13, 2020

[wv]

anti-trump republican guy selling a book:

[wv]

…that rep-guy in the vid, said that the Rep party is now Third in California. Not even 2nd. What Party is 2nd?

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[Zooey]

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• This reply was modified 3 years, 8 months ago by Zooey.

[Zooey]

If that’s not enough maybe the President talking frequently about serving more than 4 more years? Or endorsing extra judicial murders by US marshals? Or vigilante murders? Or letting 200,000 die? Or calling immigrants animals? Or sending goons to snatch people in unmarked vans? O

— Joshua Potash (@JoshuaPotash) September 14, 2020

[JackPMiller]

[TSRF]

I saw a great bumper sticker in my travels yesterday:

ELECT A CLOWN
EXPECT A CIRCUS

[zn]

Congratulations to this Australian Broadcasting Corp. reporter for asking a great question. https://t.co/ZC1GyQsB9R

— George Conway (@gtconway3d) September 26, 2020

[JackPMiller]

Go to to the 4:37 Mark

[wv]

Polls still looking good.
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[zn]

"Trump basically said to go f**k them up," a prominent Proud Boy said. "This makes me so happy." https://t.co/hnxP2RGfeH

— HuffPost (@HuffPost) September 30, 2020

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