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    Jourdan Rodrigue@JourdanRodrigue
    Oh my lord…kickers out for a 43-yard try…and this time McVay has them up on the screen and gets the sound system booming. MacGinnis had Queen, I think Sloman had Twilight Zone and now Haj has really ominous music lmaooooo omg

    Second attempt – MacGinnis gets Darth Vader, Sloman gets Chewbacca and Haj gets Chewbacca and Twilight Zone.

    Sloman’s Chewbacca attempt the only miss of the period.

    Cam Akers with a goal line touchdown carry during red zone work against the first team defense – Kiser furious with himself, it would appear, on the play because he initially had Akers wrapped. (Context: This is sort of, but not fully, live)

    Nsimba Webster, Earnest Edwards IV and Trishton Jackson are all working in KR/PR.

    If the Rams do keep a sixth WR, I’d bet that battle is currently happening between the latter two of those guys.

    If they decide to keep four TEs, they may only keep five WRs.

    Plot: Thickening.

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    Jourdan Rodrigue@JourdanRodrigue
    really don’t expect many OLs around the league to be “there” by the opener considering truncated onboard time, let alone one that returned guys from major injury and months on the couch/in rehab. A little salt in your cereal this afternoon, sorry

    Kevin Modesti@KevinModesti
    The #Rams’ first-string offense is finishing drives well against the first-string defense early in the scrimmage. Jared Goff hits Robert Woods for a 15-yard catch-and-run TD, and later hits Tyler Higbee at the goal line for a 10-yard TD. Goff is 10 for 12, John Wolford 2 for 2.

    Stu Jackson@StuJRams
    Second drive of 1st team offense vs. 1st team defense ends with Goff connecting with TE Tyler Higbee for a 7-yard TD pass.

    J.B. Long@JB_Long
    feels like an important scrimmage for Kenny Young. Projected starter Travin Howard (not dressed today) left Thursday’s practice, Young was next man up alongside Micah Kiser at ILB. Is again today.

    While the Rams No.1 offense has produced TDs on first two drives (Woods, Higbee receptions)… I’d argue both possessions would’ve been derailed by Leonard Floyd sacks from the left edge had the QB been live.

    Lindsey Thiry@LindseyThiry
    Van Jefferson, the rookie second-round pick from Florida, with the standout catch of the day over CB David Long. Jefferson hauled in a deep pass from Goff down the sideline with Long draped on him.

    Stu Jackson@StuJRams
    Rookie WR Van Jefferson just caught a beautiful deep ball down the left sideline from QB Jared Goff. 30 yards.

    Jourdan Rodrigue@JourdanRodrigue
    Must have gotten those headsets fixed. Offense cookin’ this week.

    Eric Williams@eric_d_williams
    Jared Goff 11-of-13 for 125 yards and 2 TDs. Second TD was 7-yard slant route to Tyler Higbee. Goff in a much better rhythm today.

    Stu Jackson@StuJRams
    Each of the Rams’ three kickers got two attempts at extra point attempts at the end of this drive:

    Lirim Hajrullahu: 2/2

    Sam Sloman: 2/2

    Austin MacGinnis: 1/2

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    Mike Smith@MJSmitty625
    Them: “it’s their business, if they do not want to make a cake for a same sex couple it’s their choice.”

    Also them: how dare this business tell me I need to put a mask on to enter it, it’s my constitutional right not to wear a mask, even if it’s inside a business.”

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    in reply to: Black man shot multiple times by Wisconsin police #120143
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    Jacob Blake and Kyle Rittenhouse: Should police have used different tactics?

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53954181?SThisFB&fbclid=IwAR3n0DJxQWGVQe88ORMlv3N5T7I8XF9FxibSQi_8PJlY8tvGqFWvI6imdY8

    Two incidents have turned Wisconsin into the latest epicentre of America’s police protests. What can the footage from two different shootings tell us about US policing?

    The first saw Jacob Blake, a 29-year-old black father, shot several times by a white officer, leaving him paralysed in hospital. The second followed in the unrest sparked by Mr Blake’s shooting, where white 17-year-old Kyle Rittenhouse allegedly shot and killed two protesters.

    We asked two law enforcement experts for their take on the viral footage: New York Law School criminal law Professor Kirk Burkhalter, who served 20 years in the New York City Police Department, and Brennan Center national security fellow Michael German, who was an FBI agent for 16 years.

    First, let’s break down the two videos.

    What do we see in the Blake video?

    In a bystander-filmed clip of the police shooting, Mr Blake is seen walking around to the front of his vehicle. One of the two officers following him at this point has a weapon drawn. It is unclear what the police officers said before the shooting.

    What do we know about Jacob Blake’s shooting?

    Blake opens the door and leans into the car. The officer grabs his shirt and opens fire. The other officer also draws his gun.

    Seven shots can be heard in the video, as witnesses scream.

    Just before the first video that was released begins, police reportedly wrestled and tased Mr Blake. Investigators said a knife was later uncovered from the floor on the driver’s side of Mr Blake’s car.

    What can we see in the Rittenhouse videos?

    Mr Rittenhouse has appeared in a number of different videos from Tuesday night’s Kenosha protest. In one, he speaks to police, who offer him water.

    Later, he is seen in footage running from a group of people, one of whom appears to fire into the air.

    Who is US teen accused of Wisconsin protest murders?

    Mr Rittenhouse appears to shoot a man who tries to assail him. As he flees and is chased again, he falls to the ground and shoots again. A man falls to the ground, and many shots can be heard.

    Following this incident, Mr Rittenhouse approaches police vehicles with his arms in the air, his weapon slung across his chest.

    A bystander calls out that the teenager “just shot” people, but the police vehicles pass by to attend to the injured protesters.

    Should police have responded differently?
    With Jacob Blake…

    While there is no specific rule for every single scenario, both experts note that as far as we know, Mr Blake was not being arrested or wanted for any heinous crime (like mass murder).

    The whole encounter played out in around seven seconds.

    “The effort to prevent him from getting into his car and driving away is what led to the violence,” says Mr German. “They had his licence plate number, if they needed to go arrest him later, he would be easy to find.”

    Prof Burkhalter adds that in the moments leading up to the shots, officers “passed through several decision points where, arguably, they could have made more effective decisions”, like tackling him or tasing him again.

    “When someone resists arrest and they attempt to walk away, which happens often…that in and of itself is not carte blanche to use deadly physical force, period.”

    The retired detective adds that if Mr Blake threatened deadly force, drawing weapons could be justified. But he says it’s “particularly disturbing” that an officer grabbed his shirt with one hand and fired with the other.

    “It didn’t appear to be life threatening at that particular point and holding someone in place so you can shoot them, unless they are actually armed at that time, seems wildly problematic.”

    There’s also a lack of situational awareness, Prof Burkhalter points out, calling it “an absolute miracle” that none of the seven shots ricocheted to strike the children in the car.

    …and Kyle Rittenhouse?

    Prof Burkhalter begins: “It is absolutely ridiculous that, confronted with this person, the police would not take action.”

    Rendering aid, he says, is of course the number one priority.

    “However, there were a significant number of police officers on this street. I would guess that some of those officers could have rendered aid and others could have pursued this man.”

    And as Mr German notes: a rifle shot is loud. For officers to respond and see anyone walking towards them with a rifle is a “serious violation of police safety protocol”.

    “To let that person go behind the police line is astonishing,” he says.

    How do the responses compare?

    There are clear differences for Prof Burkhalter. One man who may or may not have been reaching for a knife was “corralled, [an officer] holding his shirt like he’s some type of animal” and shot multiple times, he says, while the other was walking down the street with an assault weapon.

    But while a lot of emphasis is placed on the actions of a single officer, Prof Burkhalter says “there’s often a lot of blame to go around”. In both incidents, he asks: “Where is the supervisor who was responsible for these actions?”

    Letting an armed individual walk behind the line of cars “is astonishingly dangerous for the police officers themselves,” Mr German points out.

    These two incidents highlight the ways “police are trained to be afraid of certain situations and not others,” he says.

    The first shooting took place in broad daylight on a residential street. The second, in the middle of the night in a chaotic civil unrest environment.

    “The situations are just so opposite in how the police should have responded compared to how they did.”

    So how should police training change?

    Mr German criticises the development of a “warrior cop mentality” in the last two decades – the idea “that police officers in their daily work are at extreme threat from the communities they serve and…treat very incident as one that could end their lives”.

    He says research shows that fear of death creates a mind-set that “demonises out-groups”. Acknowledging the existence of conscious biases and racism will be key to reforming US law enforcement, he says.

    And there’s another problem Mr German – who did undercover work with far-right groups – has seen play out in recent years.

    White supremacist groups and armed militias have been seen interacting with police at protests. “It’s astonishing that even at the leadership level, they don’t recognise the danger they’re putting their officers in by suggesting those far-right militants aren’t the bigger threat,” he says.

    US white supremacist propaganda ‘rose in 2019’

    For Prof Burkhalter, it’s time to throw out the book on policing altogether, and pen a new one for the 21st century.

    In lieu of six-month academies, he suggests officers have a more undergraduate-style training: two years where trainees learn from department personnel and civilian academics about history, psychology, immigration law, sociology, and participate in on-the-street training with guided reflections.

    Policing standards should also be set at the national level, and there should be a national registry. Pay increases could also help attract a wider range of prospective candidates, he adds.

    With this dream in mind, Prof Burkhalter thinks the movement to defund the police – that is, to cut police funding and redistribute money to social programmes – “would only compound the problem”.

    “Revising departments and the training, the education that I’m talking about – that requires funding.”

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    Barbara Malmet@B52Malmet
    Speaking with my friend, an anesthesiologist at a major hospital in #NYC today he said “You know, the CDC, the FDA, they were the gold standard in the WORLD. Every country turned to us for public health facts. We had the data. We had the science. Trump has wrecked all of it.”

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    Kyle Rittenhouse was armed with an AR-15 when cops gave him water and waved him along after he shot three people. I wonder if you can explain the difference, Megyn.

    And Blake was not armed with a knife during the altercation. There was a knife in the car but no one can say that Blake was retrieving it and the cops at the time did not know he had a knife in the car (in spite of them saying “drop the knife” which was bs).

    As for what the Wisconsin AG says, actually he refuses to comment.

    Wisconsin attorney general won’t say whether Kenosha police knew Jacob Blake had a knife before shooting him
    “We are not commenting on facts that may be disputed.”
    https://abcnews.go.com/US/wisconsin-attorney-general-kenosha-police-knew-jacob-blake/story?id=72676725&fbclid=IwAR1dqHAjpODcTtGUX9SOFnYLJhX6Cq3Jqf6HtzLp0zgfvMCWQ4BvD_eB_N0

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    Jourdan Rodrigue@JourdanRodrigue
    One notable football-related bit from RBs coach Brown: While the RBBC carry allocation will in a lot of ways depend on performance and scheme, some guys will have specific role. Describes Malcom Brown as a “one-cut, downhill” guy who will be huge in power run/short yard/3D

    situations. Coach Brown does expect there to at some point be a “lead back” within the committee, but adds that he believes this competition will be ongoing through the season.

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    from https://www.turfshowtimes.com/2020/8/28/21403950/rams-news-nfl-espn-cooper-kupp

    One of ESPN’s summer projects was to figure out the top-10 players at every position with the help of various NFL executives, former players, and analysts.

    Now that every position has been thoroughly vetted, the same people, including author Jeremy Fowler, got together once more to discuss the most-underrated players in the league.

    Among them were players who were consistently considered to be in that next tier, or that 11-15 range of these rankings. In terms of wide receivers, one of those players was the Rams’ Cooper Kupp, who broke out in a career-year following his torn ACL in 2018.

    “Show me a matchup that’s been unfavorable for him,” an NFL head coach said. “I know DBs are always concerned about him. He rarely goes down on first contact, makes the most of his speed. He’ll show a lot this year.”

    “Kupp and Robert Woods are one of the league’s most underrated receiver combos,” Fowler states. “Jared Goff took a step back in 2019 with an 86.5 QB rating after back-to-back years above 100. But a nucleus of Kupp, Woods, Tyler Higbee, Gerald Everett and Day 2 draft steal Van Jefferson should have no problems moving the ball. Kupp will be a catalyst for that attack.”

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    STL Woody

    I am black and a federal law enforcement and I get pulled over quite often. Unfortunately I have had horrible experiences only to be identified as a senior special agent. What baffles me is officers never seem to have a legitimate answer for stopping me. Every time I call my field office so that everything on my end is recorded, and I ask for the officers sergeant to respond to our location. 15 years of this. What if I didn’t have the badge. This is so real. This is not something people of color make up.

    The problem is people that are not minorities don’t understand black peoples reaction to cops because the experience isn’t the same. I had my first negative experience with the police at 12 years old. I was on my way to football practice. My dad and grandfather were both cops so I knew the guy was wrong, and I had someone to talk to about it.

    Imagine being harassed all of the time. You get sick and tired of being pushed around for just living. Criminals are criminals and they deserve to be treated as such. But not everyone is. And even if criminal deserves the proper use of force.

    My favorite instructor told us on day one. Your job is not to teach some one a lesson, nor make a example of some one. You are held to a higher standard take pride in that. In short it’s up to Leos to hold each other accountable, and understanding that the relationship is already fractured. Prove the stereotype wrong.

    In Jefferson City MO the officers took a knee to protestors and passed out bottled water. In Baltimore a group of black men were protesting. When a few jerks got out of hand the men turned towards the crowd to protect the police line and handled the jerks themselves. For a few reasons. First so that a cop wouldn’t over react to that small group, second so that they didn’t take away from the weight of the peaceful protest, number three so that criminals who ruin peaceful protest are sent a quick message that it won’t be tolerated.

    Too many officers have NO business with a badge and firearm. That is the issue. Because you wear a uniform does NOT give you the right to pick on, disrespect nor mistreat people.

    You don’t hear about federal agents/officers nor state troopers/ highway patrol displaying this behavior. There are two reasons for this. Number one Federal and state agencies hold their people accountable. They simply don’t put up with misconduct. Number two the local police unions have way to much political power. Feds have to be A political so that is not a option.

    If federal law enforcement can do it why can’t local?]

    Personally I don’t think it’s a training issue, but a selection process issue. Every academy from Security Guards to Federal agents have a use of force model. The problem is use of force is a judgement called based on a officers perception, training, and experience. Every officer gets the same training. My issue is the only officers that continue to misuse, miscalculate, and over react are white males to black males. Not one female of any race has used deadly force that way within the scope of her employment. No other race is a victim nor violator to the same extent.

    In my humble opinion it’s not a training issue it’s a perception issue that is deeper then training. It’s thought process and personal perception. Some townships make their recruits do a period of time in jails or court before they can hit the street. This does two things. Scares off cowards who can’t handle tough situations, and helps recruits learn conflict resolution without the ability to got to a gun first (no guns in jail or prison).

    Being in Law Enforcement means have thick skin and showing the highest level of restraint. You have to trust your ability and training. Cops who over react make it more dangerous for those of us who know how to do things.

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    from Hurricane Laura topples Confederate monument town had voted to keep
    A Louisiana city voted this month to keep the controversial statue standing. Hurricane Laura had other plans.

    https://thehill.com/changing-america/respect/diversity-inclusion/513973-hurricane-laura-topples-confederate-monument?fbclid=IwAR21xTBpN_D-q8Brv9ZVCODqkFIPXgz7cQA7xwWW4OTh6oEY0MlThG2WSeU

    Just two weeks after the city of Lake Charles, La., voted to keep a Confederate monument standing, Hurricane Laura brought it down on Thursday with 150 mph winds as it made landfall along the state’s coast.

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    oldnotdead

    Ramsey has been a dominant force in camp, as expected. But even he has had some difficulty in covering rookie Jefferson who is more than holding his own against one of the top CBs in the NFL.

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    WR Robert Woods – 8/27

    (On his reaction to what has been happening recently with the boycotts by other teams and sports)
    “I think it’s very critical. Everybody has been aware; I’ve been saying that. Now, I feel like it’s just trying to actually affect people. I think NBA, WNBA, Major League Baseball, they’re affecting people’s pockets, where it hurts. Right now, we’re still in training. Right now, we’re just trying to use our voices, use our platform to actually affect change. Like I said, everybody is aware and now it’s time to action. You see what the NBA is doing, they’re stopping what they’re doing just to go out and get in the field. That was kind of like my take on it – if we cancel practice, we need to take action – take a bus and go somewhere and get some changes done. Not just to cancel practice and have a moment of silence or just sit at home. I think it’s time to actually get involved, that’s what we were discussing this morning. We had a leadership meeting. Getting in some of our players’ pockets, going out and trying to change stuff in our actual community. Try to challenge teams around the whole league to just – it’s time to get involved. The politics are all ran by money. It’s time to encourage these politicians to make the right changes, the right laws and make these right adjustments.”

    (On why he feels it’s so important to vote and if he’s been able to rally teammates to also get behind the message)
    “You’ve got to be able to vote. It’s so political now, this game, first you get into it, you want to stay away from race, politics and religion. But now, that’s all that we’re talking about. You’ve got to be involved. It’s not just speaking, it’s actually changing, changing laws, getting things implemented. You see what happened with Breonna Taylor – the cops, I feel like they’re murders and they’re still out on the street. Change needs to happen. It comes down to laws and policies that are allowing these people to still be free. I think if we actually vote and make these changes, get these things implemented, I think justice will be served; people will be held accountable. The punishment will be a lot more serious and a lot more people will be thinking about their actions and being able to do correct and do right.”

    (On how he describes the general feeling of the team and his teammates surrounding these issues)
    “I think it’s everybody. You kind of felt the vibe this morning. You see what’s going on with a lot of other teams, our team is rallying behind each other. We’re all asking questions to each other – what are we going to do? We had some players mad because they weren’t involved in that meeting. We were saying we were gathering information; we were going to have a team meeting later. Some players want to be involved right now. Everybody is feeling like it’s time for action, we need to get involved. We need to go down and sit with the mayor, sit with LAPD, sit with our school boards, all of these things. I feel like it’s time for action. Like I said, we have got to actually go down and speak to these people. We have leaders on this team, leaders in all communities around the United States. I think people were just fed up. You felt it today, people were hurt. You just felt that vibe that people are wanting to do something, wanting to do something else. This game is bigger than just football. This is life, we’re saying this is a human rights issue, not just Black lives, you see a lot of things going on, a lot of injustice going on between black races, Latino races, really everything. It’s a human rights issue.”

    (On reaching out to other players on other teams to come together as a group in the NFL)
    “Not as of yet. That’s exactly what we were talking on this morning. Right now, the LA-based teams – reaching out to the Chargers. We’re trying to create our own fund, we know the NFL will match it, but even if they do not, we want to decide where our money goes specifically, to what social injustice, what system we want to affect – whether it’s the school board, whether it’s the politician and his policy making. We want to be involved. Our goal right now is getting everybody that makes this team to commit to a certain amount then we are going to challenge other teams to match it. I think it will grow from there. There’s NFL teams all around the states, we definitely have a huge impact. Right now, we’ve just got to use our platform, use our voice. I saw (former NBA MVP) Bill Russell, he held out from a game, 59 or 60 years ago. We still see players doing that today. Slight changes, but we’re still protesting the same thing. Still asking for justice. Still asking for equality. The fight is never going to stop. We’ve got to keep pushing for equality and until we get it, we will still keep voicing our opinions.”

    (On balancing emotions around social injustice and doing his job and preparing for the season)
    “It’s tough. You want to compete. You want to get ready for the season. You definitely want to be playing football. I feel like even the basketball players, the Lakers, the Clippers, they definitely want to compete for a championship. It’s bigger issues and that’s kind of how it felt today. Coming to practice, our mind is kind of elsewhere. You want to be involved, but yet at the same time, you’ve still got to work. In between the lines, you’re definitely able to focus on football. Right now, outside of the lines, it’s definitely on our minds.

    (On his feelings towards teams that did boycott practice and games)
    “I feel like it’s good if you’re doing something. Like I said, I was for practicing. I was for cancelling practice if we were going to go out and do an action. If we cancelled practice, we needed buses here and we need to go down somewhere and implement change. The teams who did cancel practice, NBA players who did forgo the rest of their season, I would like to see action and not just go home and sit about it and say, ‘I raised awareness.’ It’s time for getting action. If you’re canceling something, where’s your time being dedicated to?”

    (On his evolution to a role where he’s comfortable speaking on these issues and the personal journey to get to this point in his career)
    “Yeah. I feel like honestly, (former 49ers QB) Colin Kaepernick paved the way for a lot of players to speak up on their mind. Everybody has opinions, he was kind of punished for his. Now just being able to speak out and voice our opinions how we feel. We have a coach who backs us, supports us and who’s really willing to fight with us. It’s all about equality. He said he grew up being taught to love all people, to love people. That’s really how it goes. We love a coach who is family based and family oriented. We’re able to speak on that. We are one big Rams family. We hope to encourage that for the whole city of Los Angeles – be a family, love everybody. That’s what we’re voicing out here. Go out and vote. Voice your opinion. Speak up. If you want to protest, protest. We always speak about unity and being a united group. Just being here, just growing up, developing, being able to speak, knowing my opinions as a man – as a black man – being able to speak my points and be involved in my city, L.A., I think it’s huge to be able to speak up.”

    (On his progress on efforts to encourage voting)
    “We’ve been posting, getting them involved. I want to personally go out, like I said, get people registered to vote if they’re not. Making sure people are out voting. People’s voices are heard. I think this a big, big political year. You see this is bigger than sports, it’s bigger than football. This is all about being a human being and being respectful to everybody.”

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