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  • in reply to: What happened to the Rams Buzz board ? #995
    zn
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    “My frustration came from a long drawn out process where I couldn’t do my job”

    Really one day was a long drawn out process when I told you the next day I was out of town?

    “Now if you had said calm down, let’s figure it out, and I still went off? Then you might have a point.”

    You didnt give me but ONE DAY to respond to you.

    “Heck even if you went nuke it should have just been to me. The board never did anything. I was just frustrated cause I couldn’t work on it.”

    We both know how this would have played out. You would have gone around claiming that yet once again you have been wronged by yet another message board and you were misunderstood.

    Out of curiousity how many message boards have you been banned from?

    I was just trying to figure things out. All you had to do was go okay I haven’t been around calm down, give me time. Or if you went nuke go–I can’t work with this guy, our temperaments don’t mesh, I’ll ban him and notify the site it’s going down. Either way.

    And as for your continual sliding into insults…that was all personal. (Notice I am not doing that.) No, I what I said was, Bob had a right to take down the board and no complaint. I was happy to leave it at that and preferred to leave it at that. I don’t know what stirred THIS up. It should have stayed there, where I had left it.

    In fact, what did I ever say about the old huddle wars? Only that they should not be brought up, that they were over, that posters from other sites should not be attacked, that anyone was free to post on the buzz if they followed the rules, that bringing up old wars served no purpose. (All that’s true of the new huddle too btw).

    Meanwhile, it’s really over here. You’re just repeating yourself…you’re incensed that I name-called you, and apologize for taking it out on the community. I’m just repeating myself…I had every reason to think I was blocked, was just asking you to communicate why, and have since said more than once that no I shouldn’t have name-called.

    That’s an impasse. Let’s agree to disagree and drop it.

    Any particular reason why X has his post being held in moderation?

    Cause all first posts are held in moderation. If it’s held for a while, it;s invariably because a mod hasn’t spotted it yet. I write about that here: http://theramshuddle.com/forum/rams-huddle/

    And now that I realize I am the only mod on duty I will look for pending posts.

    in reply to: What happened to the Rams Buzz board ? #990
    zn
    Moderator

    So I am supposed to temper my frustration while your frustration goes unchecked.. Am I reading that right?

    No lol you;re not reading that right. You got frustrated at one word. I got frustrated at an hours long process where I was blocked from the 2 sites you own…AND had been blocked before.

    Now if you had said calm down, let’s figure it out, and I still went off? Then you might have a point.

    My frustration came from a long drawn out process where I couldn’t do my job. And that’s with a guy who had not communicated for a long time, and once when I asked about minor issues with the board, openly threatened to take it offline. (Whereupon for the sake of the community I just went okay nevermind.) Plus of course I had been blocked at ROD before (and still don’t know why and for that matter still don’t know why I was UNblocked.)

    Yours came from a word you thought was loaded with all this disrespect (it wasn’t) and you blew up an entire site over it.

    The simpler thing, if you hadn’t blocked me, was just to go “calm down we’ll fix it.” You didn’t have to go nuclear on it.

    Heck even if you went nuke it should have just been to me. The board never did anything. I was just frustrated cause I couldn’t work on it.

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    in reply to: What happened to the Rams Buzz board ? #989
    zn
    Moderator

    ; Maybe you were blocked or maybe your OS updated itself and blocked you or your anti-virus software or a million other things on the high tech end. You got frustrated and called Bob a dick. We don’t know what he was going through at the time might have been a straw/camel’s back thing or it might all be bullshit but at this point It don’t really matter. There’s a reason boards are offered FREE and that is no one would pay for it. Could’ve been someone didn’t like your comments on board wars going on around that time but as you said lets move on.

    Well, first, I thought of those things ER. Except why would I be blocked only at those 2 sites. And why am I still blocked at ROD. (Actually in effect I am still blocked at the buzz, cause it still times out when I try that URL and actually I have never seen the 404 notice personally).

    And of course maybe I was going through things at the time and being blocked seemed weird and got to me.

    BUT in essence, this is the crux.

    I was blocked at 2 sites. Both owned by the same guy. I spend all day asking why that was going on.

    How important is any of that NOW? Not very. Remember, I didn’t want to discuss any of this. I said Bob has the right to take the site down and that’s that. I think other parties upped the ante on it a bit. It happens that way sometimes.

    Should I have called Bob a dick, even if I thought he blocked me over some issues he wasn’t talking abut and was ignoring questions about it? No. I already said that a couple of times. Should he have nuked a whole site without notice over it? No.

    Is that our agree to disagree impasse point?

    Next time I am blocked from a site I moderate I will be more polite in how I ask about it? Sure.

    Next time Bob gets pissed off at a frustrated guy who has good reason to think he’s blocked will he refrain from nuking an entire site without notice? Hopefully.

    Meanwhile, ROD goes on, the huddle goes on, it’s over.

    in reply to: What happened to the Rams Buzz board ? #986
    zn
    Moderator

    You just dont get it.. It is not always about YOU. YOU keep telling me if it was YOU, but guess what it wasnt YOU. What YOU would have done is irrelevant to what I did.

    No Bob saying what I would have done is just one way of saying you didn’t have to take it the way you did and act the way you did. It’s just a way of saying that. And that’s simply true. You over-reacted to someone who was frustrated, and if you thought about it, that someone (me) was not leaping to wild conclusions. Who else could block me at both sites? And I wasn’t telling you off or attacking you…I assumed (naturally) I was blocked, I thought it was because of some issue you had I didn’t know about, and I asked you to communicate. I assumed you blocked me for some unstated reason so I said what is is, communicate, I don’t get it, what’s the issue, I’m not your enemy.

    You don’t get the frustration at being blocked all day? Plus I checked it out and left the house to use another network, and sure enough I could access the site and even edit a post. So I am blocked not only at the buzz but at ROD…what else am I going to assume?

    And so yeah you did not have to over-react to any of that. All you had to do was think about it. Here’s this guy, he’s blocked, he doesn’t know why, he thinks I am doing it cause I have an issue, he says why not just communicate….AND he’s all frustrated and strung out about it.

    I already said that in principle it was wrong to call you names. But I also said the frustration was completely understandable if you had thought about it for even half a sec.

    in reply to: What happened to the Rams Buzz board ? #982
    zn
    Moderator

    you give me the time to look into the matter and not go on like a raving lunatic when I dont respond fast enough.

    I actually would have given 5 minutes of my time to see what the problem was if you didnt come out of the gate making accusations.

    See, if it were me, and you said I’ve been blocked all day, and I HADN’T blocked you, I would have just said calm down let’s figure it out. No matter how you put it. I would get the frustration.

    I would also see that you believed I was blocking you because of some issue I had I wasn’t communicating about. If that were true I would have raised the issue. If it weren’t true I would have said no there’s no issue, just calm down and give me time to work on it.

    And if you can’t handle frustrations like that then you should just stick to being a tech, frankly. I mean for goodness sake, what is someone who is blocked at the 2 sites you own GOING to think?

    Or if I DID lose my temper at “accusations,” and thought you were messing up as a mod anyway, I would have banned you and then given the rest of the site notice it was going down. But then I probably wouldn’t have lost my temper. I would have no reason to take the insults personally…here was this guy who thought I had blocked him, I could have ended the whole situation just by saying yeah yeah calm down let’s fix it.

    Again, there is no hypothetical opposite situation where I WOULD HAVE blocked you. If I had issues I would have raised them. I would have hoped that would have gone well but I would give it a chance, anyway.

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    in reply to: What happened to the Rams Buzz board ? #981
    zn
    Moderator

    I provided a FREE service to everyone but for one particular individual it wasnt enough.

    that response was not to you.. Please dont muddy the waters and get involved with my communication to other members.

    Well, sorry, it’s about me on my own board. And it’s true what I say…I have no idea what it means. I never acted like “it wasn’t enough.” I just didn’t get why I was blocked on both your sites.

    in reply to: What happened to the Rams Buzz board ? #978
    zn
    Moderator

    I provided a FREE service to everyone but for one particular individual it wasnt enough.

    I have no idea what that means. Not being contentious…I honestly have no idea what that means. I asked you why I was blocked at 2 sites. I still have no idea why I was blocked at 2 sites. Why is asking not to be blocked at the site I moderate and help keep active asking for more than what was there? I just wanted what was already there…not to be blocked and to do my job.

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    in reply to: What happened to the Rams Buzz board ? #976
    zn
    Moderator

    and yet again you play the role of a martyr and lead these guys on another parade around the internet.

    I wish for once you would take responsibility for your actions. Your actions led to a direct result of thebuzz being deleted.

    Not only did you call me a dick but now you are calling me a liar.

    Any mod on thebuzz board could have checked if you were being “blocked” and yet you never asked them to look like I asked.

    Try to avoid insults Bob. They serve no purpose and no one is above the rules.

    And as I keep saying, if our positions were opposite, and you said you were blocked and I HADN’T done it, I would have just said calm down we’ll fix it. I would not blow up an entire site (not the wrong part) with no notice (that is the wrong part) because I was pissed at one guy. That’s on top of the fact that I would get why someone would be frustrated at being blocked.

    I have no idea if you are telling the truth about the block or not. I DO know I was blocked at 2 sites, I do know I had been blocked at ROD before, and I had no communication from you. And I mean none long before the 28th. I do know that I have nothing to gain from saying I was blocked if I wasn’t, and I also know that even if you are pissed for whatever reasons you want to come up with, that had nothing to do with the rest of the posters…you could have done anything from help me figure out why or how I was blocked (at 2 sites no less), to just go with your worst impulses and ban me and tell the site it was going to go down.

    It was/is an honest supposition on my part that I was blocked by you. Why in god’s name WOULDN’T I think that? And for that matter what other explanation is there.

    I did say I shouldn’t have used that language, because in principle I can admit it was wrong to do it. But here I was blocked on TWO sites, one of which I manage, and meanwhile I am asking a third party “why is this happening”? and it goes on for hours.

    I also wouldn’t have lost my temper at being called a dick. If you thought I blocked you with no explanation because I had issues I wasn’t discussing, I would figure yeah he’s frustrated…and if I had NOT blocked you, I would have gotten the frustration.

    There is no hypothetical reverse scenario in which I WOULD HAVE blocked you, because if I had issues regarding you or your management of the site, I would have just raised them.

    I don’t know what to say. I was blocked at the 2 sites you owned. What else was I supposed to conclude.

    in reply to: What happened to the Rams Buzz board ? #972
    zn
    Moderator

    and for the third time..

    I have agreed to your terms..

    Is EVERYTHING fair game here?

    Making demands is not in the spirit of a civil exchange.

    I said I have no idea what you’re talking about. Your actions were on the 28th. If you had issues before that you should have raised them…that would have been the right thing to do.

    I can’t tell you what to post.

    I WILL tell you that if all you reveal is that you had issues from long before the 28th, I am just going to repeat that it was wrong to not raise them long before the 28th.

    There was a whole community at stake, not just your concept of me (whatever that was).

    in reply to: What happened to the Rams Buzz board ? #971
    zn
    Moderator

    Out of curiousity.. would you make false allegations and call the person that feeds you a dick without some repercussion? Mind you this is coming from someone who just admitted he needed help posting a youtube video. Now he is a internet guru and throws around a few buzz words like Ip address?

    They’re not false. I was blocked. From both ROD and the buzz. I am still blocked from ROD. And as I said if I were in your position and I HADN’T blocked you, I would at least have gotten your frustration at being blocked from a site you manage all day without any explanation. I would have just gone “calm down, we’ll fix it.”

    But then I don’t know why I was blocked and if you can’t see it’s natural to assume you’re the one who did it…then I don’t know what to tell you. Who else could have blocked me from both sites?

    Plus I was blocked from ROD before…weeks ago. I have no idea why I was blocked then and no idea why I was subsequently unblocked…but I let it go. I just thought it was you and you had some issue but I wasn’t going to ask (being blocked from ROD was not high on my list of problems).

    And yeah I am low-tech…that always comes out from you as an insult. (In fact a couple of times at the buzz I asked you to tone that kind of thing down on the board.) But I don’t take it as one. I am happy to scratch around and figure things out on the tech side.

    Oh and you are edging toward the line with personal insults. This is a civi exchange, or there was no point in us posting rules here. Fair enough?

    And do you think someone who gets blocked from a site they manage for no apparent reason takes it lightly? I wanted to know why you blocked me. I figured you had some issue you weren’t talking about. That’s a natural supposition…who else had the power to block me from 2 sites?

    And, again, you being pissed at me, for whatever reason you name, should not have led to you blowing up a whole community’s site WITHOUT NOTICE. They had nothing to do with our issues, whatever they are (and I still don’t know).

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    in reply to: What happened to the Rams Buzz board ? #966
    zn
    Moderator

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>zn wrote:</div>

    SO YOU AGREE EVERYTHING IS FAIR GAME?

    What I posted are the only exchanges on the 28th.

    If you had issues that went to long before that, why in the heck didn’t you say anything? (?)

    The last time we had a PM exchange was months ago, in which I thanked you for removing my name from negative exchanges on ROD, and also asked you if those guys lobby you against the buzz board. That led to no answer which was fine. I let it go. I just figured you were an absentee owner and carried on business as usual.

    The site went down another time when you changed aspects of it (without notice), and you failed to finish it, and at the time I got upset because it was incomplete. You said my bad so I said everything was fine.

    Before that, the site went down after you bought ROD, and you rebuilt it (minus many features, which is fine), but with some things missing…I asked about them and you basically said you could just take the site down. So I just said alright let it go.

    Those exchanges taught me that I shouldn’t ask you for things but that mostly we were just going to be allowed to exist. Thats’ what I thought.

    Though you did block me from ROD months ago (or weeks ago?) and I never figured out why. I let that go.

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    I am asking you to address the original question. Your other questions/concerns will be answered in due time.

    So you agree everything is fair game?

    I am going to give you ONE opportunity to let everyone here know that you are partially to blame for the demise of the buzz board

    To be honest, I have no idea what you’re talking about.

    As I said, if you had issues with me, you should have raised them long before the 28th. Communicated.

    Because the issue is NOT taking the board down. You had a right to do that and I never said otherwise. The issue is HOW you took it down–which is without notice, without a legit re-direct, and by basically depriving an entire community when (apparently?) you had an issue with one poster (which I knew nothing about).

    And you are not in charge in this discussion. This is an exchange. Be fair and treat as such. I put up an agreement to be civil cause it’s the right thing to do.

    in reply to: What happened to the Rams Buzz board ? #963
    zn
    Moderator

    SO YOU AGREE EVERYTHING IS FAIR GAME?

    What I posted are the only exchanges on the 28th.

    If you had issues that went to long before that, why in the heck didn’t you say anything? (?)

    The last time we had a PM exchange was months ago, in which I thanked you for removing my name from negative exchanges on ROD, and also asked you if those guys lobby you against the buzz board. That led to no answer which was fine. I let it go. I just figured you were an absentee owner and carried on business as usual.

    The site went down another time when you changed aspects of it (without notice), and you failed to finish it, and at the time I got upset because it was incomplete. You said my bad so I said everything was fine.

    Before those, the site went down after you bought ROD, and you rebuilt it minus many features…I asked about some of them (not all) and you basically said you could just take the site down. So I just said alright let it go. I figured things would just run the way they were, but not to ask for anything.

    Those exchanges taught me that I shouldn’t ask you for things but that mostly we were just going to be allowed to exist. Thats’ what I thought.

    Though you did block me from ROD months ago (or weeks ago?) and I never figured out why. I let that go.

    You;re here presumably because there’s disputes about the way in which you took down ROD on the 28th. If you had issues before the 28th you should have said something. But I don’t see how those are pertinent to taking down an entire community’s board (remember this is not just me) without prior notice.

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    in reply to: What happened to the Rams Buzz board ? #960
    zn
    Moderator

    once again I like how you set the terms and make an agreement when I am not around to respond to them.

    I am here now and I accept whatever terms you want.

    I forewarn you that I AM going to post PMs and emails. If you dont want a part of those terms let me know now. (in your time 5 minutes)

    I already posted them.

    http://theramshuddle.com/topic/temporary-post-some-history/
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    in reply to: What happened to the Rams Buzz board ? #955
    zn
    Moderator

    PhxRam wrote:
    here I am lets do this.

    I am PhxRam (Bob) sole owner of the ramsbuzz.com website. You got questions or concerns ask them now.

    Okay but we follow all board rules or there’s no point in having them. We keep it civil.

    That means we stick to the topic, which is–why did the buzz board get shut down suddenly with no prior notice. And then we either agree or agree to disagree and move on. I also don’t want people piling on just to pile on–that’s not fair and it’s never right when it happens.

    We have a simple dispute and my hope is it can either be resolved or end in an eternal warless stalemate (like a benign divorce). Either way.

    Agreed?

    Okay, I will take agreement as being implicit and act accordingly. I don’t like board wars on good sites and have had my fill of them. But it is possible to air differences and either agree to move on or come to a better resolution.

    My stance on this has been that you had a right to take the board down and that’s all I was going to say about it in public. I was content with that. But things obviously spilled over, and so it’s time to just move toward the agree or agree to disagree endgame then drop it.

    First history, then questions.

    History.

    This linked post contains the entirety of the exchanges between us on he 28th which if memory serves is when you took the buzz board down: http://theramshuddle.com/topic/temporary-post-some-history/

    That history will show this. I was blocked from both the buzz and ROD. By all appearances I was IP blocked. I even went to another network (by leaving home with my laptop) and had full access to the site from there.

    I emailed you to find out why I was blocked.

    I also went to another board and PMed a third party to ask if that third party knew anything.

    The history post contains all of that.

    Your response to my email was to deny you knew anything about me being blocked (you called it banned but I wasn’t banned). You reacted angrily to my 2nd, more impatient email which said: Come on man……if you have an issue just raise it, whatever it is, person to person. You don’t have to act like a dick and then expect me to guess what it’s about. That’s what ex-wives do. -:) Heck I never figured out why you blocked me from ROD the first time.

    You then apparently took the site down. (I didn’t even know you had until the third party I mentioned said you did…I couldn’t access the site at all).

    The Questions

    If you were pissed at me, why not just ban ME…why blow up an entire site? These guys loved that site.

    Also, think…why would I “make up” being blocked? I had nothing to gain from doing that, and it was frustrating as hell. Here I was managing a site I didn’t even have access to…with the very natural supposition I was blocked for reasons unknown.

    If the situation had been reversed AND I HADN’T BLOCKED YOU, I would have just gone “calm down, we’ll figure it out.”

    So you either blocked me and deny it OR you did not think about what it would mean for me to BE blocked…and how that NATURALLY led to frustration.

    (Though in retrospect, regardless what you did or what I thought, I shouldn’t have called you a dick…that was just the frustration of being blocked from the site. You did build the site in the first place and give it an honest chance at first, even though you became very absentee after buying ROD.)

    I think you know regardless what reason you think you had, blowing up a site without prior notice is not the best way to do things.

    And remember–regardless what you say, I was blocked (still am at ROD). Now imagine the frustration of that. So either you blocked me OR you are not thinking very hard about how that would bother someone.

    Then. I find out accidently and indirectly that one former buzz poster is at the ROD site asking where the buzz community was, and when I saw that–again, having to leave home to access it through another network because I was still blocked at ROD–no one would tell him. So I just urged people here to tell him somehow, so he would at least have a choice.

    A lot of people wonder why the buzz URL re-directs to ROD now but I don’t care about that, myself.

    I will wait for a response before saying more.

    My goal is resolution and endgame. I hate board wars. They make the net ugly.

    in reply to: What happened to the Rams Buzz board ? #952
    zn
    Moderator

    here I am lets do this.

    I am PhxRam (Bob) sole owner of the ramsbuzz.com website. You got questions or concerns ask them now.

    Okay but we follow all board rules or there’s no point in having them. We keep it civil.

    That means we stick to the topic, which is–why did the buzz board get shut down suddenly with no prior notice. And then we either agree or agree to disagree and move on. I also don’t want people piling on just to pile on–that’s not fair and it’s never right when it happens.

    We have a simple dispute and my hope is it can either be resolved or end in an eternal warless stalemate (like a benign divorce). Either way.

    Agreed?

    in reply to: Are Hybrid Defenses the Future #946
    zn
    Moderator

    Are Hybrid Defensive Fronts the Future of NFL Defenses?

    By Ty Schalter

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2117320-are-hybrid-defensive-fronts-the-future-of-nfl-defenses?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=nfl

    Atlanta Falcons fans everywhere want to know the answer to one simple question: Will they be running a 3-4 or 4-3 base defense in 2014? Head coach Mike Smith is being obtuse about it.

    “We’re going to play with 11 players on the field,” Smith told Vaughn McClure of ESPN.com.

    Thanks for clearing that up, Coach.

    Falcons defensive coordinator Mike Nolan has an extensive history with the 3-4 defense, and the Falcons acquired several 3-4 players this offseason, but Smith refused to admit such a switch was in the works. Instead, he argued the difference is much smaller than most football watchers realize.

    “When you start talking about 3-4, 4-3, they’re very similar in principles,” Smith said. “You line up on a 4-3 in a base down, you slide your tackle in and under and over defense. You line up in a 3-4 and slide your tackle over, you’re in an over defense. You slide him under, you’re in an under defense.”

    This runs counter to almost everything today’s fans know about defensive football.

    The dominant defenses of the late 1990s and early 2000s relied on specialized schemes with defined roles and prototypes. Football fans who grew up watching Dick LeBeau’s 3-4 zone blitz and Monte Kiffin’s blitzless 4-3 Tampa 2 struggle to imagine the two base alignments as different names for similar things.

    Even so, we’ve seen some of this flexibility elsewhere in the NFL; the New England Patriots have flexed between 3-4 and 4-3 fronts based on personnel throughout much of Bill Belichick’s tenure. Rob Ryan’s extremely multiple defense worked wonders in New Orleans last season—and the struggles of Ryan’s replacement in Dallas, Kiffin himself, had some Cowboys fans missing Ryan more than they might have expected.

    What’s happening to defensive football? How are base alignments converging, and what does it mean going forward?

    ‘Base’ Alignment

    When we talk about the differences between the 3-4 and 4-3 alignments, we need to know what those things are. There’s no better primer than Bleacher Report NFL Lead Writer Matt Bowen’s Football 101 articles on the topic.

    Here’s Bowen’s “The Basics of the 4-3 Defensive Front” (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1999358-nfl-101-the-basics-of-the-4-3-defensive-front), which walks us through the way 4-3 linemen and linebackers lineup and their relative responsibilities against the run and pass.

    There are “Over” and “Under” 4-3 alignments. They’re “one-gap” systems, where each defender is responsible for defending one running lane. All of it is keyed off which side is “open” or “closed,” i.e. on which side the tight end is lined up.

    This optimizes the run fits for the defense’s best run-stoppers. The nose tackle, strong-side linebacker and strong safety are all put into the best position to collapse the prime running lanes, and the defense’s best athletes (weak-side linebacker, pass-rushing defensive end, free safety) are free to chase down the play from the backside or guard against a counter.

    Now, check out Bowen’s “The Basics of the 3-4 Defensive Front,” and scroll down to the 3-4 Under. Like a traditional 4-3, it’s a one-gap scheme keyed off the alignment of the tight end:

    hybrid1

    Just like Smith said, a one-gap 3-4 Under and a one-gap 4-3 Under are practically indistinguishable, as are a 3-4 Over and 4-3 Over:

    hybrid2

    Defensive coordinators running these alignments are asking similar athletes to do similar things—note that this open-side 4-3 “defensive end” isn’t even playing with his hand down.

    Asymmetrical alignments, though, assume the offense is trying to run to the strong side—or even run at all. As New Orleans Saints tight end Jimmy Graham argued in his (unsuccessful) bid to be franchise-tagged as a wide receiver, today’s NFL tight ends function more like overgrown slot wideouts than hole-opening run-blockers.

    In 2009, now-Buffalo Bills defensive coordinator Jim Schwartz told Detroit media members, quoted here via The Lions in Winter, why he prefers symmetrical linebackers and safeties:

    We sort of got away (from WILL and SAM linebackers) because we saw so many shifting teams and teams get out of shifting real quick if they’re moving four people and you got all these guys on defense going, are you ready yet? But if they’re moving one guy and you’re flipping four, they’ll just do it 60 snaps a game.

    That’s why you start getting a little less compartmentalized with SAM and WILL, strong safety and free safety. If you’re a strong safety and you line up to the tight-end side and that tight end motions across, you can’t flip because you don’t know if he’s going to stop and come back and if he does you’re looking bad. Guess what, if you have a 230-pound strong safety that’s an in-the-box strong safety you can turn him into the free safety just motioning one guy across the formation. So it puts more (emphasis) on having multidimensional (guys).

    Old School, New School

    As I recently wrote in a piece about the disappearance of the traditional between-the-tackles run-stuffing middle linebacker, NFL teams no longer run to establish the pass.

    Leaguewide, NFL teams averaged 35.4 passing attempts and 2.5 sacks per game, compared to 27.1 rushing attempts. That means NFL teams averaged a 41.7/58.3 percent run/pass balance in 2014, per Pro-Football-Reference.com—and, of course, average means many teams are passing even more often. Even when teams run, it’s often out of passing formations.

    That’s why when we talk about “base alignments” and “two-down linebackers,” we’re using outdated terms. Weak-side linebackers who are too small to cover tight ends like Jimmy Graham and strong-side defensive ends who are too slow to rush the passer will struggle to find work in today’s NFL.

    Pure run-stuffing middle linebackers and strong safeties who play like linebackers aren’t useful when teams are running three- and four-receiver sets and passing almost two-thirds of the time.

    That’s why teams are using nickel and dime packages at unheard-of rates.

    “The thing that I think people don’t realize,” Smith said, via McClure’s report, “is that the game has become substitutional defense. About 65 to 75 percent of large snaps have been in sub defense where you’re playing with five defensive backs. There are more snaps with five defensive backs than four. That nickelback is more of a starter than your fourth linebacker or your third linebacker. The multiplicity and the complexity of the game have changed.”

    As Bowen wrote, the traditional 3-4 Okie front uses a symmetrical defensive alignment: Three big, strong defensive linemen each responsible for two running lanes, leaving the outside linebackers responsible for edge containment. The power of old-school, aggressive 3-4 defenses like LeBeau’s is that they disguise where the pass rush is coming from.

    The power of new-school 3-4 hybrids is that they disguise what the coverage is.

    Ryan’s “base” defense is theoretically a two-gap 3-4, but as the author of the blog Code and Football wrote, he’ll use four, two, one or even zero defensive linemen to keep opposing quarterbacks confused. Ryan doesn’t need to overload the defense with six or seven pass-rushers to get a sack; he can do it by rushing an unexpected set of four or five and constantly changing which four or five come.

    The limitation on 3-4 Okie front defenses has always been that two-gap nose tackle up front. There just aren’t enough athletic, 350-plus pound men who can handle two running lanes by themselves. When so few offenses rely on a traditional power run game, though, that’s not nearly the problem it used to be.

    The door is open for coordinators like Nolan to go find talented, versatile players and start swapping them around.

    Defender Taxonomy

    The shift toward indistinguishable one-gap 3-4 and 4-3 fronts and wildly multiple “amoeba” defenses like Ryan’s is causing just as much confusion in football scouting and analysis.

    When scouting, grading, ranking and giving awards to defenders, we break them down into categories that no longer make sense.

    A 4-3 3-technique tackle such as Ndamukong Suh is similar to a 3-4 defensive end such as J.J. Watt, not a 3-4 tackle such as Vince Wilfork. A 4-3 defensive end such as Robert Quinn is similar to a 3-4 outside linebacker such as Brian Orakpo—not a 3-4 end such as Watt. A 4-3 outside linebacker such as Lavonte David doesn’t play anything like Orakpo.

    Going forward, the football-watching world needs to consider classifying defenders in an alignment-agnostic way. These old descriptors (“tackles,” “ends,” “outside linebackers”winking smiley just don’t mean the same thing anymore.

    Just like offensive coordinators are aggressively spreading the field, eliminating some positions (like fullback) and de-emphasizing the roles of others (like tight end), it makes sense that defensive coordinators are responding in kind.

    Already, defensive coordinators are moving toward complex, hybridized, symmetrical alignments that give them maximum flexibility in coverage (and create maximum confusion). As the 2014 season approaches, don’t be surprised to hear more teams like the Falcons eschewing the idea of a “base alignment” altogether.

    in reply to: Are Hybrid Defenses the Future #945
    zn
    Moderator

    I’m gonna put in the whole article pictures and all if you don’t mind.

    in reply to: Boldness and Contrast #944
    zn
    Moderator

    Does anyone else think the letters on this board are
    a little hard to read? They seem smaller and paler
    than on other boards.

    w
    v

    Do you like that better? Bolded?

    It’s all I’ve got…. smiley6

    in reply to: What happened to the Rams Buzz board ? #943
    zn
    Moderator

    The most important is getting everyone home having said that the fact is we were given zero warning there is no arguing that and that is the only fact wv states as such . There is a reason this board has stayed together across 3 decades (90′s 2000′s and 2010′s) while while other boards rise and fall.wv’s whole point was we shouldn’t have to go join another board and ask why they blew up ours.Linking the old url to ROD where there is no mention of the buzz well it’s not defendable

    ER…wv made his point, and I think it’s time to move on. Fair enough?

    I don’t think there’s anything to be gained from keeping this alive.

    If Bob wants to compare histories, he can. Right here, as I said. Short of that, I say let sleeping dogs lie. The same applies to Alan/Albe.

    I hate doing this. Being a “move on” cop. But, we should be enjoying the community and its multiple views of the Rams (among many other things!). I want to urge people to do that. People naturally have passions but we need to move on I think.

    in reply to: What happened to the Rams Buzz board ? #938
    zn
    Moderator

    That would be a gross misrepresentation of the the facts wv. Anybody who would like the real story should ask PhxRam at the ROD. I know the real story but it’s not my place to tell it.

    Alan?

    That’s the sole reason you posted here, Albe? To get a dig in like that? I sincerely hope not.

    Meanwhile what did WV say? He said that it was wrong to take a board down without giving prior notice to its posters. Are you disagreeing with that? That doesn’t “misrepresent” anything. In fact I don’t regard it as history. It’s just true…if you want to dump a site, you should tell the posters. My guess is that even Bob agrees with that, now that it is all said and done and over.

    And btw I know both sides of that story. You know one.

    The difference is, I am not going to post on it. In fact I don’t think it’s RIGHT to post on it. Not unless Bob wants to debate the rights and wrongs with me…in which case he can come here and do it in this thread. Other than that, my own feeling is this. We here got what we wanted…a site. The rest is history. So unless Bob comes over here and discusses it, I won’t. Things have to go on into a new world…or, if people want the history, Bob can come here and we can compare versions. I can’t go there…I can’t even read the site from home because I am IP blocked (ie. I have to go to log in through another network like my workplace to even read it).

    My own main concern right here and now is this. TRSF directly asked where we went. Did anyone tell him? He should have a choice. Right now I don’t know that he does. That’s all I care about.

    If you are going to be a member here, try to be a constructive one who joins in the good spirit on the Rams board. Anything else is worse than board wars…it’s INTER-board wars, which is just useless stuff. So I am asking you to move on. Jump into the new world, which now includes a reconstituted huddle board. Enjoy that…talk football.

    .

    in reply to: What happened to the Rams Buzz board ? #921
    zn
    Moderator

    All I care about is someone getting word to TSRF. The rest is ancient history, IMO.

    .

    in reply to: The REAL Joker? #919
    zn
    Moderator

    Well, there you have it–copied and pasted on two of the examples and removed asterisks on another and tied my thumbs in knots on another but no luck. It either shows up large or not at all. Seems whatever I tried did not work. Can we just get a button? I like buttons. I can do buttons.

    I edited it so it works now. The asteriks and lines ( _ ) weren’t part of it. My apologies, I screwed up the instructions. (They were too complicated.) I cleared them up in the instructions post plus include them below.

    We don’t have a full-time tech, PA. We can’t request buttons. We just have to learn things. smiley5 It’s more up to us now. (For example I have to learn to write better instructions.)

    Here are the commands without brackets [ ]…you just have to remember to add brackets.

    youtube width=”640″ height=”360″
    /youtube

    in reply to: Coach O on Safeties #907
    zn
    Moderator

    Several things here are True. Though we don’t know yet how they will add up.

    It’s true that McLeod played both safety and nickel. Now he plays safety only. Maybe getting rid of Stewart and Giodorno and putting McLeod at safety only will help, as CoachO suggests.

    It’s true that he’s the most likely starter for 2014.

    It’s true that this is an absurdly young secondary. These are the years on J, J & the Macs:

    Jenkins: 3rd year in 2014
    Johnson: 3rd year in 2014
    McDonald: 2nd year in 2014
    McLeod: 3rd year in 2014, 2nd as a starter

    Keeping with the Rams tradition of starting either a J or a Mac in the secondary, the candidates for the nickel are either McGee (2nd year) or Joyner (rookie).

    Personally I don’t see Davis supplanting McLeod.

    So anyway it’s true they are young.

    It’s also true that Williams is often credited with improving secondaries.

    So maybe some coaching and some experience combined will make them a better unit. Scheme too.

    It’s not an impossible hope.

    hope1

    .

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    zn
    Moderator

    This topic was modified 21 minutes ago by franz kafka.

    For those who don’t know, you can elect to have an invisible edit.

    At the bottom left of the page when you edit, there’s a checked box that says “Keep a log of this edit.” Just uncheck that box.

    Matter of choice. Some care, some don’t.

    zn
    Moderator

    For some reason the Tucker podcast changed the way they post their podcast urls. I have edited my original post and all of them should be working again.

    Thanks ag.

    .

    in reply to: Wagoner: get to know rookie Ethan Westbrooks #891
    zn
    Moderator

    Ethan Westbrooks, DE
    School: West Texas A&M | Conference: LSC
    College Experience: Senior | Hometown: San Leandro, CA
    Height/Weight: 6-4 / 267 lbs.
    Proj. Rnd. 4-5

    Player Overview

    Every scout dreams of discovering a diamond in the rough talent; a player whose gifts are undeniable and yet either the player, himself, needs polishing or he simply hasn’t caught the attention yet of other talent evaluators.

    Westbrooks…lacks polish but is undeniably gifted.

    The Oakland, Ca. native signed with the Buffs after a successful JUCO stop at Sacramento City College, where he was named the 2011 MVP of the Mid-Empire Conference. Westbrooks thoroughly dominated the D-II level in his first season, registering 60 tackles, including an unbelievable 29.5 tackles for loss and 19.5 sacks, the most QB-takedowns at any amateur level in 2012. Among the accolades Westbrooks won for his efforts was the Ron Lenz Daktronics Division II National Defensive Player of the Year and Super Region Four Defensive Player of the Year.

    With opponents keying in on him, Westbrooks numbers dropped significantly in 2013 (43/19.5/seven), though he again showed his ability to dominate at the East-West Shrine Game, earning Defensive MVP honors during the game, with two sacks and two more tackles for loss.

    Westbrooks talents are legitimate. His size and athleticism will intrigue every team in the league. Character red-flags, however, will make him one of the more popular interviews for teams at the Combine.

    STRENGTHS:

    Looks and plays bigger than his size. Possesses broad shoulders, long arms and the frame to handle an additional 10 pounds of muscle without a significant loss of quickness. Moved around the defensive line to create mismatches for the Buffs, logging time on the nose, three tech DT and as a traditional 7-tech defensive end. Physical and highly aggressive. Good initial quickness. Surprises opponents with his burst to split gaps and flashes upper body explosiveness to rock them on their heels, as well as effective (if rudimentary technique). Good balance and lateral agility to break down and stalk mobile quarterbacks. Flashes impressive acceleration for a man of his size while in pursuit. Could just be scratching the surface of his potential.

    WEAKNESSES:

    Has been able to get by with just his athletic tools to this point and remains quite raw in his technique. Sells out to attack the quarterback, getting fooled by play-action and draws. Doesn’t always pursue hard once the ball gets past him. Probably projects best as a RDE in the 4-3 alignment but must learn to use his hands better to rip through would-be blocks, or his speed/power will be controlled. Likely is at least a year or more from significant playing time and there are concerns about his commitment. Plays with a degree of ferocity that too often results in foolish penalties. Sports a heavily tattooed frame (including on his face) and that some will take as a character red-flag.

    COMPARES TO: Armonty Bryant, Cleveland Browns – The team that invests in Westbrooks is going to want to have a plan in place for him, just as the Browns did with Bryant, who was off some teams’ boards a year ago but flashed as a rookie with 12 tackles and two sacks in limited duty. There is no denying his physical gifts but he comes with red-flags and may need a strong locker room to support him.

    –Rob Rang

    zn
    Moderator

    aeneas1

    well if you believe the folks at football outsiders, the rams defensive line was already one of the bad boys in the league, one of the best in the business, for both the 2012 and 2013 seasons. football outsiders ranked the 2012 rams defensive line 2nd and the 2013 rams defensive line 5th.

    if gw’s history is any indication, the rams secondary should improve enormously against the pass, at least in terms of completions allowed.

    in reply to: Manziel update #883
    zn
    Moderator

    My reaction to Johnny Manziel:

    My feelings about JM not being a Ram:

    in reply to: The REAL Joker? #866
    zn
    Moderator

    I changed the size on your vid.

    You can see how I did it here:

    http://theramshuddle.com/topic/how-to-post-youttube-vids/

    in reply to: What happened to the Rams Buzz board ? #847
    zn
    Moderator

    Could someone do something about this though? I wouldn’t be too direct about it though. (The owner of ROD and the owner of the former Buzz are the same person).

    TSRF

    http://www.ramsondemand.com/threads/im-a-board-orphan.27146/#post-341759

    What does “404 site not found” mean??

    I’m a board orphan!

    … my link to Ramsbuzz just took me here.

    No offense, I think you have a great board here, but I kind of liked the old backwater board. What happened?

    That’s at ROD. I’m not registered there and in fact I am IP blocked from reading it (I’m not on my normal network at the moment so I was able to skirt around the IP block).

    This is no big deal…just trying to make sure the scattered folk at least know we’re here.

    I found that post accidently this way…ie as I say in my last post this thread, I did a google search to see what would come up, and if you look, TSRF is in the list of items that came up:
    https://www.google.com/#q=Where+is+the+Ramsbuzz+board

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