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  • in reply to: Keenum– concussion #34675
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    If you watch the video it’s easy to see that Keenum was knocked silly. He couldn’t even get up on his own. Although they don’t show it in the video I think he staggered a bit even after he was on his feet. I don’t know how this got missed. Many people are at fault for allowing Keenum to continue to play but certainly Fisher bears some responsibility.

    This is all simple. They saw a qb hit. We on tv can see more than the sideline but coaches can’t see it all. Foles knew he went down so he warms up. The trainer goes out and Keenum says he’s fine. The league official in the booth did apparently see his head hit but he sees the Rams trainer is out there and thinks it’s covered.

    IMO? There’s no story here. I don’t think anyone with the Rams “bears some responsibility.” I think this is a non-story that has gotten kind of quasi-sensationalized by the tv view. The tv view includes close-ups and is not related in the least to what the sideline sees.

    in reply to: unfolding news, Bailey shot, not life threatening #34673
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    Jim Thomas ‏@jthom1 ·
    Team source confirms that Bailey has been shot. Team thinks he’s OK, but again, team is still collecting info.

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    Rams receiver Stedman Bailey was shot in the head Tuesday, FS1 NFL Insider Mike Garafolo confirmed through a team source. Garafolo reported the team would have an official statement on the incident later in the evening.
    Garafolo also reported that Bailey is conscious, though he will need extensive surgery.While much of the details surrounding the shooting and Bailey’s injury remain unknown, multiple reports indicated Bailey was shot in South Florida (he is from Miami), and that he was also shot in the hip.

    The Houston Chronicle’s Aaron Wilson reported that the surgery is scheduled for Wednesday.

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/rams-receiver-bailey-shot-in-head/ar-BBnpBtm?li=BBnbfcL&ocid=UP97DHP

    in reply to: unfolding news, Bailey shot, not life threatening #34669
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    Michael Silver ‏@MikeSilver

    A Rams source confirmed to me that Stedman Bailey was involved in shooting incident & suffered a head wound. Not considered life-threatening

    Source said Bailey will undergo surgery in the morning. Again, head wound not believed to be life-threatening. Rams gathering more info

    Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet

    #Rams WR Stedman Bailey was shot twice in the head while sitting in a car with 2 young relatives & his cousin. He is stable in a Miami ICU

    Stedman Bailey will have surgery tomorrow. The driver was shot many times, shielding the kids from bullets. His wounds are life threatening

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    Source: Stedman Bailey has been shot

    Mike Florio

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/11/25/source-stedman-bailey-has-been-shot/

    Rams receiver Stedman Bailey was shot Tuesday evening in Miami. A league source with knowledge of the situation has confirmed to PFT that rampant rumors of the incident are indeed true.

    Per the source, a statement from the Rams is expected within the next hour or so. The source was unable to confirm at this point any specific details regarding Bailey’s condition.

    Bailey played college football at West Virginia. He was a third-round pick of the Rams in 2013.

    UPDATE 12:28 a.m. ET: Mike Silver of NFL.com reports that Bailey suffered a head wound that is not considered to be life threatening. Per Silver, Bailey is scheduled to undergo surgery in the morning.

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    Jim Thomas @jthom1
    Checking on Twitter rumors that Rams wide receiver Stedman Bailey has been shot.

    Matt Miller ‏@nfldraftscout
    I’ve heard the Stedman Bailey rumors and I’m waiting to hear back from Rams. May be tough to get this late at night. Hoping they’re false.

    ATL Sports Scoop ‏@atlsportsscoop
    Prayers up to Rams WR Stedman Bailey, reports say he was shot in the head tonight. Very tragic situation

    Chris Long @JOEL9ONE
    Keep our brother @iamSB3 in your thoughts, prayers tonight. I don’t wanna believe it….

    in reply to: questions of the week questions #34642
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    I just find it very hard to believe that Fisher was so unaware of Keenum’s concussion–but who knows.

    (not personal but) I find it hard to believe people actually think that.

    What is there to gain from ignoring a concussion to the qb in the final minute of a game?

    This particular accusation has me baffled. Think about what that is saying. I wouldn’t accuse a coach I personally hated with all my heart of that.

    in reply to: Saffold and Robinson #34641
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    Greg Robinson is a beast but he’s struggling at LT.

    IMO?

    GR will work out fine at LOT in spite of struggling this year.

    in reply to: questions of the week questions #34633
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    This is one of the strangest periods of recent Rams history.

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    Case Keenum, offensive line don’t offer much in latest loss

    Nick Wagoner

    http://espn.go.com/blog/st-louis-rams/post/_/id/23981/case-keenum-offensive-line-dont-offer-much-in-latest-loss

    BALTIMORE — Looking back at three things to watch in the St. Louis Rams’ 16-13 loss to the Baltimore Ravens on Sunday:

    1. Making a Case: Case Keenum made his first start at quarterback for the Rams, who hoped that he could provide a spark for an offense in need of one. He didn’t. Keenum struggled his way to 12-of-26 for 136 yards with a touchdown and no interceptions. He also was charged with three fumbles, including two that were lost. One of those was changed from being credited to running back Todd Gurley to Keenum on Sunday night.

    Nobody expected Keenum to be the savior for the offense but the Rams believed his mobility could lead to more production. He did have a few plays in which he ran around and made some things happen but he also had some bad moments such as a brutal under throw to an open Kenny Britt on a deep ball. True to his word, Rams coach Jeff Fisher didn’t have a short leash on Keenum and said he didn’t consider taking Keenum out of the game. Perhaps he should have, though, as Keenum was evaluated for a concussion after the game.

    2. Keeping it close: As has often been the case this season, the Rams defense did enough to keep it close despite a nearly six-minute difference in time of possession. In close games, there are a few things that always make the difference: things like turnovers, penalties and kickers. Well, all three played a role in the latest Rams’ loss.

    St. Louis had four turnovers, all fumbles, while the Ravens actually had four more penalties for 102 more yards. Those two didn’t quite even each other out but it was close. Tipping the scales in Baltimore’s favor? The kicking game.

    Rams kicker Greg Zuerlein had an extra point blocked and missed a late 52-yard field goal wide to the right. Baltimore’s Justin Tucker missed a 51-yard field goal of his own but rebounded nicely with the game-winning 47-yard kick as time expired. It’s the second road game in a row in which the Rams lost on a walk-off field goal.

    3. What’s my line?: The Rams offensive line started the day with two rookies on the right side, a common occurrence this season except these were two different rookies. Fourth-round pick Andrew Donnal started at tackle with Cody Wichmann at guard. Even that arrangement didn’t last long as Donnal left with a knee injury that Fisher said “didn’t look good.”

    After that, the Rams moved veteran Garrett Reynolds from left guard to right tackle, Wichmann to left guard and installed Demetrius Rhaney at right guard. None of it mattered much as the Rams couldn’t get much push in the run game (29 carries for 82 yards) and though they only allowed one sack, Keenum was under pressure for most of the day.

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    I wonder if there is variation based on blocking schemes? For example, is reach zone blocking associated with a higher injury rate than power blocking?

    They weren’t a zone team in the first half of 2012 when they had 8 different players at OC, LOG, and LOT in the first 8 games (Wells, Turner, Watkins, Ojinakka, Saffold, Hunter, Barksdale, and Smith).

    So far this OL has also had 8 different players at LOG, ROG, and ROT (Saffold, Brown, Havenstein, Reynolds, Williams, Donnal, Wichman, and Rhaney).

    Same numbers so far, but completely different types of offenses. Very little if any zone in 2012.

    In 2007 they started 12 different linemen total. (Pace, Barron, Setterstrom, McCollum, Romberg, Milford Brown, Terrel, Steussie, Lecky, Goldberg, Gorin, and Petitti.) That’s not counting in-game injury subs. That included replacements at all 5 positions. The only guy who played the entire season was Barron, and he switched from right to left OT. They started 5 different ROTs that year.

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    in reply to: Tweets 11/23 #34619
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    NFL & NFLPA will conduct mandatory conference call Tues w all 32 head athletic trainers to discuss concussion protocol after Keenum incident

    Interesting.

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    in reply to: PFF on how Patz beat Miami with injured OL #34618
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    http://itiswhatitis.weei.com/sports/newengland/football/patriots/2015/11/12/stopwatch-tom-brady-ultra-quick-release-offsets-depleted-offensive-line-in-win-over-redskins/

    By our count, Brady took an average of 1.86 seconds from snap-to-throw on his 40 pass attempts, which was his second-lowest mark of the season and lowest since Week 1 against the Steelers when he took an average of 1.85 seconds.

    It’s worth noting this number could have been even lower if it weren’t for a completion to Brandon LaFell in the first half that took 4.13 seconds from snap-to-release.

    “I’d say we learned a lot last week in the second half of the game about kind of where we’re at as an offense and things we’re going to need to continue to improve on,” Brady said Wednesday. “And like I said, you don’t plan for certain scenarios and all of a sudden they happen. You’ve got to figure out what to do when you’re under fire, and that’s part of the challenging thing about football. I’m glad we came out of it ahead.”

    Of Brady’s 40 pass attempts, 24 of them (60 percent) took less than two seconds from snap-to-throw. On those plays, Brady was 17-for-24. Furthermore, on 12 plays Brady took less than 1.5 seconds from snap-to-throw — an insane number.

    A major reason for this was the increased number of quick screens to receivers. This could have been because of two reasons: the loss of running back Dion Lewis and the depleted offensive line.

    With the offensive line still battling injuries heading into Sunday’s matchup against the Giants, Brady’s quick release will likely be key to the offensive once again.

    http://suffolkvoice.net/2015/11/19/new-england-dealing-with-injuries/

    The common reaction from the Patriots fan, when asked about the state of the offensive line is, “Well Brady gets rid of the ball so quickly, it won’t effect them.”

    Of late that has changed.

    Of course they are scoring quite often, it just is not coming as easily and it is a direct result of the injuries. Against the Redskins the offense was rolling until both Dion Lewis and Sebastian Vollmer went down. After that the playbook was essentially thrown out and they just wanted to get out of that game in one piece.

    In this past Sunday’s thrilling victory over the Giants, the Patriots offense looked awkward and desperate at times. Forcing big plays down field to Brandon LaFell and Aaron Dobson. Again a direct result of the offensive line injuries and Julian Edelman going down.

    in reply to: Fisher may be coaching for his job #34612
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    I should have pointed out that I was just interested in that they said Fisher was the one that really pushed for the trade. I was for the trade.

    Yeah I know.

    I’m not venting at anyone here.

    in reply to: Fisher may be coaching for his job #34601
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    And before anyone gives Fisher an out by saying he hasn’t had a decent quarterback, sources said he was the one who pushed the Nick Foles trade to completion back in the spring. When he got back from a competition-committee meeting and learned the trade has stalled, he leaned on his staff to get it done.

    And once missing there is this.

    Foles was fine until he melted down.

    I agree with Nittany, that is bad analysis.

    And on top of it, it’s like this repeat of the 2007 nightmare, and I mean this one. The OL loses 10 players to injuries, and what do a lot of people do? Blame Bulger.

    This is a young and inexperienced OL that got injured on top of it.

    What happens? I see people complaining that they benched Foles for Keenum.

    A: “Why aren’t you serving lunch on time.”
    B: “The restaurant is on fire.”
    A: “Well hire a decent cook for a change, jeeesh.”

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    I dunno. I know the injuries to Q
    and Long have hurt the D,
    and the OLine has once again
    been decimated, so maybe the
    team would have come on, had
    there not been injuries. Sigh.
    Maybe.

    To me there’s no doubt. Had Foles not melted down and the OL not been so injury wracked, they would have been fine.

    in reply to: reporters on the Ravens game #34575
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    Rams lose another offensive lineman to injury

    Jim Thomas

    http://www.stltoday.com/sports/football/professional/rams-lose-another-offensive-lineman-to-injury/article_bebb199b-22f0-5248-a5da-29f67967560b.html

    BALTIMORE • For the third time in two games, it looks like the Rams have lost a rookie offensive lineman to a season-ending injury.

    Andrew Donnal, who started at right tackle in place of the injured Rob Havenstein, suffered a knee injury on a second-quarter passing play in Sunday’s 16-13 loss to Baltimore.

    “We’ll know (Monday), but it’s the knee,” coach Jeff Fisher said. “I’ll just say it doesn’t look good, unfortunately for him. He was playing well.”

    Donnal, a fourth-round pick from Iowa, was making his second NFL start, having started at left guard two weeks ago in Minnesota.

    Last week, the Rams lost starting guard Jamon Brown (fractured leg) and backup tackle Darrell Williams (wrist) for the season, with both injuries occurring chasing Chicago linebacker Willie Young on an interception return.

    Yet another rookie, sixth-round pick Cody Wichmann of Fresno State, made his first NFL start Sunday — at right guard.

    When Donnal went out, the Rams switched starting left guard Garrett Reynolds to right tackle, moved Wichmann to left guard and brought Demetrius Rhaney off the bench to play right guard.

    “It made it a little more difficult for us, just because we were throwing guys in there — guys that hadn’t practiced that position all week,” center Tim Barnes said. “We just had to do the best we could.

    “We know that’s why the guys are on the team — because they can do it. It just made it a little more adverse for us. We just gotta make sure we finish.”

    MASON BENCHED

    Running back Tre Mason, the team’s leading rusher as a rookie last season, was benched for Sunday’s contest. Mason was a surprise member on the team’s pregame inactive list.

    “He violated team rules (Saturday),” Fisher confirmed in his postgame news conference.

    He did not elaborate. After leading the Rams in rushing with 765 yards as a rookie last season, Mason has become nearly a forgotten man this season. He had a chance to establish a foothold in the backfield early in the season, before rookie Todd Gurley was fully recovered from last season’s knee surgery while at the University of Georgia.

    But Mason was slowed by a preseason hamstring injury, missed the opener entirely because of that injury, and hasn’t been a factor so far this season. He has 44 carries for 129 yards, averaging 2.9 yards a carry, getting much of that work in mop-up time against Chicago and San Francisco.

    Minus Mason, the Rams went with just three running backs against the Ravens: Gurley, third-down specialist Benny Cunningham, and special teams core player Chase Reynolds.

    QUINN SITS

    For the second time in three games, the Rams were without two-time Pro Bowler Robert Quinn at defensive end. Quinn was ruled out on Saturday because of a hip injury, and thus was among the Rams’ pregame inactives for Baltimore.

    “He’s dealing with a hip and a knee,” Fisher said. “The knee is OK. I think the knee’s good enough for him to play, but he’s dealing with some other things now.”

    Eugene Sims started once again in Quinn’s place, and undrafted rookie Matt Longacre of Northwest Missouri State provided depth, playing in his second NFL game.

    Other Rams inactives were QB Sean Mannion, S Christian Bryant, TE Justice Cunningham (finger), OT Isaiah Battle, and Havenstein (calf). There were unconfirmed reports that Battle also was benched for disciplinary reasons, but he may have been a pregame inactive anyway.

    LONG PLAYS

    After missing four games with a bone fracture following a knee-to-knee collision in Green Bay, defensive end Chris Long returned to action. William Hayes got the start at left defensive end, but Long was part of the defensive line rotation.

    Long was frustrated with the loss and frustrated with his play.

    “I just wish I could’ve helped us more,” Long said. “I felt OK, I just played like a (bleep). I can’t wait to hopefully play up to my standards, and next week help us win more.”

    RAM-BLINGS

    With Sunday’s loss, the Rams are 14-23-1 under Fisher in non-division games. They are 10-10-1 against NFC West foes.

    • All 10 Baltimore games this season have been decided by eight points or less, the longest such streak to begin a season in NFL history.

    • Gurley didn’t have his best game, but with 775 yards in just eight contests, he has the fourth-most rushing yards by a Rams rookie in franchise history.

    • To combat Baltimore punter Sam Koch’s directional skills, the Rams deployed both Tavon Austin and Wes Welker as returners on most punts.

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    What a horrible display by the Rams

    Benjamin Hochman

    http://www.stltoday.com/sports/columns/benjamin-hochman/hochman-what-a-horrible-display-by-the-rams/article_3377e423-456d-547f-a7c8-35c95d28e4c0.html

    BALTIMORE • Hey, obnoxious Los Angeles Rams fans who take shots at St. Louis and vociferously advocate a move … be careful what you wish for.

    We want the Rams to stay in St. Louis. We are an NFL city, unequivocally. Shoot, we’ll buy the Rams a couple stadiums to prove it.

    But that means St. Louis will continue to embrace the suffering. Which it does. Annually. Because the St. Louis football team is an embarrassment.

    The loss Sunday was disgusting.

    This was a fulcrum game, and with the Bengals and Cardinals next on the schedule, the season is now on life support.

    The unbalance is unfathomable — how can the defense be this good and the offense be this bad?

    “We’re asking a lot out of our defense right now, and we’re not getting anything out of our offense,” said coach Jeff Fisher after the 4-6 Rams lost to the Ravens 16-13 in Sunday’s offensively offensive game featuring stupendously stupid penalties (and that was just by the winning team!).

    What a waste of a stalwart defense (yet again). In that regard, the Rams are like their college counterparts in Columbia, Mo.

    “It’s definitely hard putting all that pressure on the defense,” running back Todd Gurley said, “knowing that they’re doing (well) and fighting, and we keep putting them in those situations.”

    Now, before we go any further with the Rams offense, here’s the obligatory line about the line: They’ve had many injuries and are frighteningly young and inexperienced.

    OK.

    But as I was told multiple times in the losing locker room — they’re still NFL players. And, hey, the Rams could’ve signed another veteran lineman at some point. And on Sunday, the Rams quarterback played uphill (or even “Shaun Hill”) most of the day. And the Rams were three for 13 on third downs. And to quote the manager in the movie “Major League” – Hey, Greg Robinson, don’t give me this ol’ (stuff)!

    NFL analyst Brian Billick, who of course won a Super Bowl coaching the Ravens, tweeted in the first half: “I wonder how good Todd Gurley could be if the #Rams OL could actually block somebody?” (I must say, there is something weird about a tough-nosed ball coach going out of his way to put a hashtag in a tweet.)

    The reality is — Gurley wasn’t that good overall. He’ll be fine, he’ll be fine. Maybe it was just the offensive line. Maybe it was the run-stuffing Ravens. Maybe it was the less-talked-about Sports Illustrated regional cover jinx. But Gurley fumbled the football, averaged 2.6 yards a carry and, for the first time, was part of the reason the Rams lost — as opposed to when the Rams have lost in spite of his successful play.

    Sure enough, the man who forced the fourth-quarter fumble was from the St. Louis area. Brandon Williams plays nose tackle for the Ravens, and he looks like he ate Festus. After the two-win Ravens held the Rams to 82 ground yards, Williams said: “I take it personally every time I step on the field to stop the run. … We respect (Gurley) as a back, but we were ready for him.”

    The Rams’ offense looks hopeless. Nick Foles was a lemon. Case Keenum is more mobile and can make some plays, but he clearly wasn’t in command. It’s mid-November, and the offense is somehow regressing, which, come to think of it, is an amazing accomplishment for a unit that scored six points at home against Pittsburgh.

    Lance Kendricks, who caught Keenum’s lone touchdown pass, was asked if he was surprised the offense is taking this long to get it together.

    “I think we all are,” he said. “I don’t know if to call it waiting, but we’re all just looking for an opening looking for somebody to make a play. We need to make it happen ourselves, we can’t really point fingers.”

    It’s all so depressing.

    James Laurinaitis, the proud linebacker, stood at his locker and tried to sell us on his mindset: it doesn’t matter how few points your offense scores, the defense must allow fewer points.

    It’s a noble mentality.

    But at some point, to hold a team to 16 points … on the road … even though your team turned the ball over four times … is impressive, regardless of the game’s outcome.

    “This one might be one of the hardest over the last seven (years), maybe the hardest,” Laurinaitis said. “Just the fashion of it, the fact that it was a real pivotal game in the season from an overall outlook, a chance to get back to .500 and make a push. Being 4-6 …”

    He then took a long, pensive breath and said: “… you have zero room for error. You always take it week to week, but when you’re around seven years you kind of look at the overall picture, and this stings on multiple levels. This might be the hardest one to swallow.”

    When it was over, Aaron Donald wore a hoodie over his head.

    He walked toward the locker room door, and all one could think is – what a waste. This specimen is special. He doesn’t tackle; he assaults. A week before, the defensive tackle accumulated five quarterback pressures in, according to Pro Football Focus, his best graded game of the season. And then on Sunday, he tallied a sack and a team-high 10 total tackles, including a play in the first quarter, when he pulverized Justin Forsett to the ground, breaking the running back’s arm.

    Donald talked about the defense and disappointment in the locker room.

    It’s got to be such a tough feeling, I said.

    “Yeah, it suck.”

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    Another bitter Rams loss puts season on brink

    Jim Thomas

    http://www.stltoday.com/sports/football/professional/another-bitter-rams-loss-puts-season-on-brink/article_76afdc46-65fa-58e6-ae60-5822f501bf60.html

    BALTIMORE • In a rapidly crumbling season, the Rams couldn’t move the football with any consistency, couldn’t hold on to the football and couldn’t hold a late 10-point lead.

    The result was another numbing defeat, a 16-13 loss to a 2-7 Baltimore team on a game-ending 47-yard field goal by Justin Tucker.

    For the second time in three games, the Rams have lost on a last-play field goal. Sandwiched between a 21-18 overtime loss to Minnesota two weeks ago and Sunday’s bitter setback was that 37-13 humiliation to Chicago.

    So what was once a promising 4-3 season now sits at 4-6, casting doubt on the ability of coach Jeff Fisher, general manager Les Snead and executive vice president Kevin Demoff to get an organization that hasn’t had a winning season since 2003 over the hump.

    Under normal circumstances, Sunday’s loss at M&T Bank Stadium is the kind of defeat that helps get coaches and GMs fired. But with Rams owner Stan Kroenke preoccupied with trying to move the team to Los Angeles, these are far from normal circumstances.

    The organizational signals at the outset of the season were that only a disastrous 2015 campaign would lead to a coaching and/or GM change. After squandering a 10-point fourth-quarter lead Sunday, and with a road game next week against a formidable Cincinnati squad, this may rapidly become a matter of semantics. Namely, what constitutes a disaster?

    “Well, that one was a hard one,” Fisher said after the Rams lost for the sixth time in seven games this season against a non-NFC West foe. “Probably one of the hardest I’ve been around since I’ve been here. It’s difficult when you lose that way, in a game that we somewhat controlled or dictated. Gave up the lead.

    “But nonetheless, it’s hard to overcome four (turnovers) against a Super Bowl-winning quarterback.”

    The Rams lost four fumbles on a chilly, windy afternoon at M&T Bank Stadium — leading to 13 Baltimore points.

    The last fumble, on a sack of quarterback Case Keenum, gave the Ravens the opening they needed to pull out the victory. On third-and-5 from the St. Louis 36, Baltimore linebacker Courtney Upshaw got around Rams left tackle Greg Robinson, knocking the ball loose from Keenum.

    Ravens defensive end Lawrence Guy recovered at the St. Louis 41 in a 13-13 game with 54 seconds left to play. The Ravens were out of timeouts but didn’t need any. After an incomplete pass, two runs by Javorius Allen produced 12 yards and a first down.

    Quarterback Joe Flacco, the one-time Super Bowl MVP, finished out the game despite what was a season-ending knee injury. He spiked the ball with two seconds left and out came Tucker to kick the game-winner.

    He had missed a 51-yarder with 1:13 to play, wide right. Rams counterpart Greg Zuerlein had missed a 52-yarder just 28 seconds earlier, wide right.

    “I don’t think I hit it as well as I could have,” Zuerlein said. “I could feel my foot scrape the ground a little bit before I hit it. And then I should’ve picked a better target, really; little bit more inside (to adjust for the wind).”

    Keenum apparently suffered a concussion two plays before his sack fumble, on a play where he was sacked by defensive tackle Timmy Jernigan. That sack didn’t count because of an offside penalty on Ravens linebacker Elvis Dumervil, but Keenum was clearly shaken up on the play — the second-to-last Rams offensive play of the game.

    Fisher didn’t mention the concussion during his postgame news conference and sounded as if he were unaware of the injury.

    Because when asked what else could be done to address the Rams’ offensive struggles, Fisher replied: “I’m gonna give Case a good week of practice. I expect him to do better than he did today. You can see he’s mobile, he can move around, he can do things.”

    It was more than 25 minutes after the game that Rams officials said Keenum would not be available to reporters because he had been diagnosed with a concussion. The league had no comment Sunday night, but it’s standard policy for the league to look into all procedures when a player suffers an apparent concussion.

    Keenum struggled for most of the day, completing 12 of 26 passes for 136 yards on a day when the Rams lost another offensive line starter — rookie right tackle Andrew Donnal — to what looks like a season-ending knee injury. More often than not, Keenum was under pressure as the Rams’ patchwork and inexperienced line struggled to protect him.

    The Rams managed only 213 yards against the league’s 20th-rated defense. Running back Todd Gurley scored a touchdown for the fifth consecutive game but was held to 66 yards rushing on 25 carries. In addition, he lost one fumble and was part of another on a botched exchange with Keenum.

    “At the end of the day, we put the ball on the ground four times,” Gurley said. “That’s never a good sign.”

    (The other Rams fumble came on a muffed punt by Tavon Austin late in the second quarter — a turnover that set up the first of three Tucker field goals.)

    “The fumble wasn’t Todd’s fault,” Fisher said. “That was defensive penetration; that was a problem up front. He hadn’t got his hand on the ball. It’s penetration that created the exchange problem, too, inside (on the botched exchange).”

    Keenum tripped and lost his balance on the botched handoff.

    “That’s what I said — it’s penetration,” Fisher said. “The (Baltimore) defensive line got penetration and pushed our guys back, and that’s where he tripped.”

    Keenum’s 30-yard touchdown pass to wide-open tight end Lance Kendricks with 6:14 to go in the third quarter seemingly put the Rams in control. Even when Zuerlein’s extra point was blocked, the Rams led 13-3. The Baltimore offense, which lost running back Justin Forsett to a broken arm in the first quarter, was having trouble stringing together first downs.

    But the Ravens started nibbling at that lead. A Gurley fumble on the second play of the fourth quarter resulted in Baltimore’s only TD of the day. Two Tucker field goals followed, and that 13-3 lead became a 16-13 defeat.

    “It stings. It hurts,” safety T.J. McDonald said. “You never want to lose in this type of fashion. The fact that we did, it sucks.”

    “It just really hurts the way we gave it up in the fourth quarter like that defensively,” linebacker James Laurinaitis said.

    In seven seasons with the Rams, Laurinaitis has played for teams that are 34-71-1. So he’s endured plenty of losses, but this one may have stung the worst.

    “Just the way it happened, and the fact that the whole game you feel like they can’t move the ball on you a lot,” Laurinaitis said. “And then the fourth quarter. … Yeah, this one hurts like none I can remember.”

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    Rams fumble one away to Ravens

    Jim Thomas

    http://www.stltoday.com/sports/football/professional/rams-fumble-one-away-to-ravens/article_447e1bc6-dde1-5482-a50f-8521e08689b0.html

    BALTIMORE • In a rapidly crumbling season, the Rams couldn’t move the football with any kind of consistency, couldn’t hold onto the football, and couldn’t hold a late 10-point lead.

    It all added up to another bitter defeat, a 16-13 loss to a 2-7 Baltimore team on a game-ending 47-yard field goal by the Ravens’ Justin Tucker.

    The Rams’ third consecutive loss dropped the team’s record to 4-6, casting doubt on the ability of coach Jeff Fisher and general manager Les Snead to get an organization that hasn’t had a winning season since 2003 over-the-hump.

    “Well, that one was a hard one,” Fisher said afterwards. “Probably one of the hardest I’ve been around since I’ve been here. It’s difficult when you lose that way in a game that we somewhat controlled or dictated. Gave up the lead.

    “But nonetheless, it’s hard to overcome four (turnovers) against a Super Bowl-winning quarterback.”

    The Rams lost four fumbles Sunday on a chilly, windy day at M&T Bank Stadium _ leading to 13 Baltimore points. For the Ravens, it tied a franchise record for most fumbles recovered in a game.

    The last fumble, on a sack of quarterback Case Keenum, gave the Ravens the opening they needed to pull out the victory. On third-and-5 from the St. Louis 36, Baltimore outside linebacker Courtney Upshaw got around Rams left tackle Greg Robinson for a sack, knocking the ball loose from Keenum.

    Ravens defensive end Lawrence Guy recovered at the St. Louis 41 in a 13-13 game with 54 seconds left to play. The Ravens were out of timeouts, but didn’t need any. After an incomplete pass, two runs by Javorius Allen produced 12 yards and a first down.

    Quarterback Joe Flacco, finishing out the game despite suffering what was a season-ending knee injury, spiked the ball with two seconds left. And out came Tucker to kick the game winner.

    Tucker had missed a 51-yarder with 1:13 to play, wide right. Rams counterpart Greg Zuerlein had missed a 52-yarder with 1:41 to play, wide right.

    • REPORT CARD: Gordo grades the Rams

    Keenum apparently suffered a concussion two plays before that sack-fumble, on a play where he was sacked by defensive tackle Timmy Jernigan. That sack didn’t count because of an offside penalty on Ravens outside linebacker Elvis Dumervil, but Keenum was clearly shaken up on the play.

    Fisher didn’t mention the concussion during his postgame news conference. It was more than 25 minutes after the game that Rams officials said Keenum would not be available to the media because he had been diagnosed with a concussion.

    Keenum struggled for most of the day, completing 12 of 26 passes for 136 yards on a day when the Rams lost another offensive line starter _ right tackle Andrew Donnal _ to what looks like a season-ending knee injury.

    But Keenum’s 30-yard touchdown pass to wide-open tight end Lance Kendricks with 6:14 to go in the third quarter seemingly put the Rams in control. Even when Zuerlein’s extra point was blocked, the Rams led 13-3 and the Baltimore offense, which lost running back Justin Forsett to a broken arm in the first quarter, was having trouble stringing together first downs.

    “This one might be one of the hardest (losses), just the fashion of it, and the fact that it was a real pivotal game in the season from an overall outlook,” linebacker James Laurinatis said. “It was a chance to get back to .500, and make a push. And now being 4-6, you have zero room for error.”

    The Rams have never won more than three in a row under Fisher, and have done that only once _ in 2012. So to think they could string together six consecutive victories to finish 10-6, or even win five of six to finish 9-7, would be the height of optimism.

    “I’ll get ’em back,” Fisher said. “But really disappointed for them because of the way they played. They’re playing hard.”

    The Ram’s best friend in the first half was the penalty flag by referee Tony Corrente’s crew. On the Rams’ third possession of the day, Keenum’s deep ball to tight end Jared Cook resulted in a 49-yard pass interference call against Baltimore cornerback Jimmy Smith.

    That penalty gave the Rams a first down at the Baltimore 10, and three running plays later Todd Gurley was in the end zone, giving the rookie from Georgia at least one touchdown in five consecutive games.

    Gurley’s one-yard run with 2:05 to play in the opening quarter marked the only scoring of the half until Tucker kicked a 25-yard field goal as time expired in the second quarter.

    The first half was no thing of beauty. Neither team was able to do much offensively, and penalty flags halted any semblance of momentum. The Ravens alone had 107 yards in penalties at the half, on six flags.

    The Rams had some opportunities to pad their lead, starting second-quarter possessions at their 43 and the Baltimore 42 (after a Rodney McLeod interception). But Keenum, under pressure frequently behind a tattered offensive line, completed only three of 10 passes in the half.

    A Tavon Austin fumble on a punt return gave the Ravens a first down at the St. Louis 31 following C.J. Mosley’s recovery, setting up the Tucker field goal.

    The Rams had another chance to score when a 31-yard Keenum pass to Bradley Marquez over the middle carried to the Baltimore 18 early in the second quarter. But offsetting penalties negated the play, and the Rams ended up punting.

    The Rams lost Donnal, starting in place of the injured Rob Havenstein, to a knee injury on the second play of the second quarter.

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    Handling of Keenum’s concussion raises questions about NFL policy

    Sean Wagner-McGough

    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/25385972/handling-of-case-keenums-concussion-raises-questions-about-nfls-policy

    At the tail-end of the Rams’ 16-13 loss to the Ravens on Sunday, quarterback Case Keenum was concussed. With just over a minute remaining in a tied game, Keenum was thrown to the turf by a Ravens’ defender.

    In what was completely clear to anyone with a TV and a set of eyes, Keenum’s head bounced violently off the turf.

    Keenum’s pain was also clear. He immediately grabbed his head. He squirmed on the ground. Eventually, he got up with the help of his teammates.

    But the game didn’t stop. While the officials sorted out a flag, Keenum spoke to a member of the Rams’ staff on the field. Thirty seconds later, he was back in the huddle and dropping back to pass. Two plays after the sack, Keenum fumbled and the Ravens won the game on a last-second field goal.

    After the game, reporters discovered that Keenum was diagnosed with a concussion, which raises questions: Why wasn’t the game stopped? Why didn’t Keenum come out of the game? Even if the Rams official spoke with Keenum and thought that he was fine, why didn’t an NFL concussion spotter stop the game so Keenum could be examined off the field? Could a concussion test really be administered in 30 seconds? Did the Rams even give Keenum a concussion test?

    Earlier this month, Eagles defensive back Malcolm Jenkins revealed that he played during a game with a concussion and hid it from the medical staff. Because the hit that caused Jenkins’ concussion was inconspicuous, nobody knew that Jenkins was concussed. The onus was on Jenkins to tell a trainer, but he didn’t. Like Keenum’s concussion, it’s scary to consider that Jenkins played football with a brain injury.

    But in this case, Keenum’s head injury wasn’t hidden, it was clear as day. As Keenum withered around in pain, someone — a Rams’ trainer, an official, a concussion spotter, a teammate — had to have spotted that something could be wrong with player who just had his helmet slammed off the turf.

    Nobody stopped the game. The game continued. And just moments later, Keenum took a snap and fired an incomplete pass toward Wes Welker.

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    Aaron Donald up, offensive line down for Rams in loss

    Nick Wagoner

    http://espn.go.com/blog/st-louis-rams/post/_/id/23944/aaron-donald-up-offensive-line-tre-mason-down-for-rams-in-loss

    BALTIMORE — A look at St. Louis Rams players who were “up” and those who were “down” in Sunday’s 16-13 loss to the Baltimore Ravens.

    UP

    DT Aaron Donald: Once again, Donald was one of the few Rams providing any sort of positive highlights. He finished with 10 tackles, a sack, two tackles for loss and two quarterback hits. There’s not much fun about watching the Rams these days, but Donald still is.

    DE Matt Longacre: With Robert Quinn out because of a hip and back injury and Chris Long still easing back into action, Longacre was again a pleasant surprise. He only had three tackles and a quarterback hit, but he set the edge well and at least looks like he could be a nice developmental piece moving forward.

    DOWN

    The offensive line: This group was already one of the worst in the league but injuries have depleted it even further, and Sunday was the latest example of why the Rams messed up in the offseason by not bringing in another veteran or two for this group. Running room was scarce except for when quarterback Case Keenum was running away from Ravens defenders.

    RB Todd Gurley: There’s no doubt that Gurley isn’t getting much help, as the aforementioned line was brutal and offered little running room, but he also had a pair of fumbles in a game in which costly mistakes counted extra. Baltimore’s run defense is one of the best in the league, but Gurley’s 66 yards on 25 carries was one of his worst outings of the season.

    RB Tre Mason: Mason was something of a surprise pre-game inactive but apparently had nobody to blame but himself. Rams coach Jeff Fisher said Mason violated team rules and the television broadcast indicated that Mason was late for the team bus on Saturday. Hence the deactivation. He’s already fallen well behind Gurley in the running back rotation, but he’s not doing much to help his cause moving forward, either.

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    Ravens Top Rams on Last-Second Field Goal

    Myles Simmons

    http://www.stlouisrams.com/news-and-events/article-1/Ravens-Top-Rams-on-Last-Second-Field-Goal/864b936f-93cb-411a-901d-f869f1cd419d

    BALTIMORE, Md. — The offensive woes continued for the Rams on Sunday, as the club totaled only 213 yards and lost four fumbles en route to a 16-13 loss to the Ravens.

    “That one was a hard one — probably one of the hardest I’ve been around since I’ve been here,” head coach Jeff Fisher said. “It’s difficult when you lose that way in a game that you somewhat controlled, dictated — gave up a lead. But none the less, it’s hard to overcome four [fumbles] against a Super Bowl winning quarterback.”

    The Rams took a 13-3 lead into the fourth quarter, but could not hold it as the Ravens capitalized on late turnovers. After the two teams traded missed field goals with under two minutes in the final period, Baltimore’s Justin Tucker hit a 47 yarder as time expired to give the home team the victory.

    “We’ve got to find a way defensively to hold on,” linebacker James Laurinaitis said. “That’s what really burns right now, is that we had a 10-point lead there and had every opportunity to go ahead and seal it. I don’t care how many times we’re put out there. We’ve just got to find a way.”

    Still, St. Louis continues to be hampered by a lack of offensive production. It was tough sledding for running back Todd Gurley throughout the contest, as he finished with 25 carries for just 66 yards and a touchdown. Gurley also had a late fumble that proved costly — a rarity for the sure-handed running back. The rookie was hit in the backfield just after receiving a handoff and the ball ended up on the ground.

    “There really isn’t an excuse,” Gurley said. “Whether it’s someone hitting me as soon as I get the ball — at the end of the day, I’m a running back. Hold onto the ball.”

    Quarterback Case Keenum also had a tough day in his first contest as the Rams’ starting signal-caller. He completed just 12 of his 26 passes for 136 yards with a touchdown and no interceptions. Keenum did, however, tally three fumbles — one of which was a backwards pass into the flat that went out of bounds for a 7-yard loss. After the game, Keenum was diagnosed with a concussion.

    “I feel like Case did a good job of battling his butt off in there,” tight end Jared Cook said.

    Keenum’s other fumbles were in a botched exchange with Gurley and a late sack/fumble. The Ravens recovered both, with the latter setting the club up for its game-winning field goal.

    “There was penetration that created the exchange problem, too, inside,” Fisher said.

    Injuries were the catalyst for some of the issues up front, as the Rams started rookies Cody Wichmann at right guard and Andrew Donnal at right tackle. Donnal then suffered a knee injury during the contest, forcing more shifts. Garrett Reynolds went to right tackle, Demetrius Rhaney came in at right guard, and Whichmann moved over to left guard.

    After the game, Fisher said the team would have more information later on Donnal, but the head coach did not sound optimistic.

    “I’ll just say, it doesn’t look good,” Fisher said. “Unfortunate for him. He was playing well.”

    The Rams were the first to score in the game’s opening period with the help of a key penalty. Baltimore missed a 51-yard field goal, giving St. Louis the ball at its own 41-yard line. On the first play of the drive, Keenum dropped back and looked like he was trying to throw into the flat. But with his receiver covered, the quarterback proceeded to run toward the line of scrimmage.

    That’s when Keenum saw Cook with a step on his man deep down the middle of the field. The signal-caller lofted the ball up, and Cook was able to draw a 49-yard defensive pass interference penalty from cornerback Jimmy Smith. The flag put the Rams at the Baltimore 10-yard line.

    After that, Gurley did the rest. The running back gained 9 yards on two carries, bulldozing his way in from a yard out on a third to put the Rams up, 7-0.

    The two clubs traded punts for a while until St. Louis came up with a turnover midway through the second quarter.

    Safety Rodney McLeod made his first interception of the season in Baltimore territory. Quarterback Joe Flacco overthrew his intended target, tight end Crockett Gillmore, and McLeod got in position, made the catch, and returned the pick four yards to the home team’s 42.

    But St. Louis could not capitalize on the field position, going three and out.

    After the defense forced a three and out of its own, it looked like the Rams would have a chance to increase its lead with a four-minute drive before halftime. But wide receiver Tavon Austin muffed the return, with the Ravens picking up the fumble at the visitors’ 30-yard line. It was an uncharacteristic mistake for the punt returner.

    Baltimore would advance deep into Rams’ territory, but defensive tackle Aaron Donald helped limit the yardage. On 2nd-and-7 from the St. Louis 11, Donald broke through a double team to sack Flacco for a 7-yard loss. The defensive tackle had six total tackles — two for loss — a sack, and a QB hit in the first half alone. He’d finish with 10 tackles on the day, a mark that led the team.

    Nevertheless, Tucker would hit a field goal as time expired in the first half, cutting the visitors’ lead to 7-3.

    The two teams then traded turnovers in the early going of the third quarter. Keenum began a drive with a 7-yard pass to Cook, giving the Rams 2nd-and-3. But on the next play, Keenum would mishandle a handoff to Gurley, causing a fumble. Baltimore recovered the loose ball on the St. Louis 42.

    “It was penetration, yes,” Fisher said. “The defensive line got penetration and pushed our guys back. That’s where [Keenum] tripped.”

    But it wouldn’t be long until the Rams got the ball back. On the third play of Baltimore’s possession, Flacco overthrew his intended target — tight end Maxx Williams — and Trumaine Johnson was there to make the pick. The cornerback returned the interception 25 yards, before sliding down. At that point, Johnson left the game with a thigh injury and did not return.

    St. Louis was able to capitalize on the turnover in just a few plays. Austin moved the chains with a 16-yard end around, bringing St. Louis to the Baltimore 30-yard line. Then Keenum made his best pass of the contest, hitting tight end Lance Kendricks on the backside of a play action pass for a 30-yard touchdown. The extra point, however, was blocked, meaning the Rams extended their lead to 13-3.

    Fisher said one of the reasons for the block was all the changes up front.

    “We had penetration moving people around in there,” Fisher said. “And we’ve been working on it, working extra in practice, and they’ve got to do a better job.”

    In the fourth quarter, the Rams turned the ball over in their own territory, giving the Ravens another opportunity. Baltimore defensive tackle Brandon Williams got into the backfield and popped the ball out of Gurley’s hands. Linebacker Courtney Upshaw recovered the fumble, giving the home team the ball at the St. Louis 42.

    “I put the ball on the ground twice,” Gurley said. “There’s no excuse for that.”

    The Ravens would take advantage of their opportunity, driving seven plays to cut the visitors’ lead. Flacco hit an open Gillmore over the middle for 16 yards to give Baltimore 1st-and-goal from the Rams’ 3. A play later, Flacco found wide receiver Kamar Aiken open in the end zone for a touchdown. With the extra point, the Rams led 13-10.

    Following another St. Louis punt, Baltimore would continue its string of points with a big play to Gillmore leading the charge. Flacco hit the tight end on a short pass to the left, and Gillmore rumbled down the field for a 46-yard gain to the St. Louis 8-yard line. The Rams would clamp down in the red zone, leading to a Tucker 20-yard field goal to tie the game at 13.

    On the ensuing possession, Benny Cunningham came up with a big play on 3rd-and-3 to move the chains. The Rams had moved the pocket to the right, but Keenum had no one open to throw to. Cunningham stayed on the backside of the play, and the quarterback hit him with a pass, giving the running back an opportunity to make a play in the open field. Cunningham shook off a couple defenders, gaining 20 yards and a first down.

    But that’s about all the Rams would get. Keenum couldn’t connect with Austin on 3rd-and-5 from the Baltimore 34. And then Greg Zuerlein missed a 52-yard field goal wide right, giving the home team the ball back at its own 42.

    It wasn’t over, though, as Tucker would miss his own 51-yard field goal wide right, giving the visitors the ball back at their own 41. But Upshaw forced another St. Louis turnover with a sack/fumble on Keenum, providing the home team the opportunity to win.

    “Give them credit — they created the turnovers,” Fisher said. “We created some turnovers. But they created the turnovers when they needed them.”

    This time, Tucker drilled a 47-yard field goal as time expired, winning the game.

    With the loss, the Rams are not 4-6 on the season.

    “This one might be one of the hardest over the last seven [years] — maybe the hardest,” Laurinaitis said of the loss. “Just the fashion of it. The fact that it was a real pivotal game in the season from an overall outlook. A chance to get back to .500 and make a push. And now, being 4-6, it’s like you have zero room for error [when] you look at the big picture of everything. So you always take it week-to-week, but when you’re around seven years, you kind of look at the overall picture. So this stings on multiple levels. Might be the hardest one to swallow.”

    St. Louis will be on the road once again next week against Cincinnati.

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    They played a team that was 2 – 7. A team that likely will not get many other wins.

    Baltimore has the closest point differential of any team. Most of their losses actually avg. out to be less than a 3 point difference.

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    Got word in locker room Rams QB Case Keenum has been diagnosed with a concussion.

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    ATC spotter failed to call medical timeout to remove Case Keenum

    Mike Florio

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/11/22/atc-spotter-failed-to-call-medical-timeout-to-remove-case-keenum/

    This year, the NFL for the first time gave ATC spotters the power to stop play in order to remove from the field players potentially suffering from concussions. It’s a great idea in theory; in practice, it requires the spotter to be willing to slam on the brakes at a key moment in the action.

    Late in Sunday’s game between the Rams and Ravens, the back of St. Louis quarterback Case Keenum’s head slammed against the ground during a late drive in a tie game. Keen immediately was in clear distress, struggling to get up.

    But the game continued with Keenum at quarterback, without the Rams or the officials or the ATC spotter doing anything to get him off the field.

    It’s possible that ATC spotter wasn’t paying attention. It’s more possible that the ATC spotter was reluctant to yank Keenum off the field during crunch time.

    Regardless, the ATC spotter failed to protect a player who needed to be protected from himself. Keenum was never going to tap out voluntarily. In moments like that, the ATC spotter is there for one purpose: To tap out the player involuntarily.

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    The Rams might as well resign themselves to the fact that they will need a new LT.

    I don’t agree with that. And he IS having a rough time, but I don’t think he is going to bust.

    It’s frustrating in the meanwhile but to me he’s not even the worst issue on the OL.

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    I am surprised at the emotions over this game.

    They had Keenum at qb after Foles melted down, and a young OL that was made even LESS experienced by having to replace (at this point) 5 different starters…Saffold, Brown, Havenstein, then add Williams (last game) and now Donnal to that.

    Frankly I didn’t expect them to be IN the game and yet somehow, ugly as it was, they were.

    Yet to me the frustration sounds like people who were expecting much more and got disappointed.

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    a total of 8 new young rookie linemen joined the Rams in 2 years. Robinson, Rhaney, Havenstein, Brown, Donnal, Wichman, Battle, and Williams.

    None of them had a previous injury history.

    And at this point, since becoming Rams, 6 have been injured: Robinson, Rhaney, Wichman, Havenstein, Brown, and Williams.

    75%.

    With Donnal hurt it’s now 7 of 8, or 87.5%

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    I heard that Mason and Battle were inactive because they missed the bus to the plane?

    Yes.

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    Well. That could have gone better than it did.

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