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znModeratorI wonder how much of this goes to the fact JL was “down” most of the summer with an ankle injury. Just not getting physical reps.
There are a heck of a lot of Rams who were just not full participants in camp or pre-season or both. But I am running on memory here. We know JL is one of them. Then there’s Long, Saffold, and Wells. Wasn’t Brockers down for a while too? Jones. Who else?
I think Wms btw asks LBs to do things Walton/Fisher had not been asking them to do. So maybe their responsibilities are different?
October 4, 2014 at 9:07 pm in reply to: journalists setting up the Eagles game…including Thomas & etc. #9082
znModeratorWeek Five “Three and Out”
by Mike Florio
October 4, 2014http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/10/04/week-five-three-and-out/
Rams at Eagles
1. Why are the Eagles dealing with so many injuries?
Last year, Chip Kelly’s revolutionary approach to training and nutrition and just about everything else kept the Eagles healthy for most of the season. This year, not.
While it’s safe to say that Kelly’s ways haven’t suddenly made guys more susceptible to injury, it’s also clear that personalized smoothies won’t make the consequences of a violent game any less severe. Ultimately, luck has a lot to do with it, and the teams that have bad luck had better have plenty of depth. For the Eagles, the depth simply hasn’t been there on the offensive line.
The good news is that right tackle Lane Johnson returns after a four-game suspension for ingesting something far more potent than a smoothie.
2. What’s wrong with the Rams’ pass rush?
The absence of defensive end Chris Long is a factor, but the team still has enough talent elsewhere on the line, with Robert Quinn leading the way. Still, the Rams have only one sack through three games.
In part, the lack of sacks arises from an inability to stop the run. But even with a 21-0 lead against the Cowboys and Dallas having to throw the ball to get back into it, the Rams weren’t able to get to Tony Romo.
It’s gotten so bad that the players are now calling it a “sack curse,” and they’re looking to the luck of the ladybug to end it.
3. What’s wrong with LeSean McCoy?
No one really knows. It’s easy to blame the offensive line, but McCoy simply isn’t running like he used to. He’ll need to get back to his old ways soon, or the Eagles will have a hard time carrying his future salaries.
Through four games, he has only 192 yards on 70 attempts. That’s an average of 2.7 yards per carry. And that’s not good.
znModeratorFormer Eagle Ike Reese tells why “were not full of confidence out (in Philly)” heading into Sunday
znModeratorThis really brings back my reservations about the Robinson pick. The people who loved the pick said we’d have a great starting LOT for years who’d make an immediate impact at guard. If he can’t beat out a guy grading as poorly as Joseph, why should we think he’s ever going to be a probowl LOT? Any research gurus know how often top 10 OL picks spend their rookie year on the bench?
I don’t share the same level of concern. I think this combination of coaches are just not all that into starting rookie linemen. Robinson was more green than we even expected, and they gave him more to learn too. All that suggests to me they are thinking longterm with him.
In terms of the overall OL performance, I thought it was slow to get going because they didn’t play much together in the pre-season. They were resting their injured and recovering. This, too, suggests a longterm approach.
Plus, someone like Wells could be under-performing because he not only missed time, he was so ill he lost 20 pounds in the hospital. He didn’t get the reps in August and had to recover physically.
This MAY all mean they weren’t going to cohere as a unit until a few games into the season.
I don’t worry about Joseph because Saffold and Joseph as a guard combo are still better than Wms and Smith were last year, yet they won some games with those 2 at guard in 2013 and Clemens at qb.
So for me it all begins with accepting their kind of radical approach to Robinson, which means being hyper slow about bringing him along. I’m okay with that.
If they can’t get it together as a coherent unit after 3 games and then a bye, then, they aren’t going to get it together. So we’ll see what level they’re playing at, tomorrow.
October 4, 2014 at 7:16 pm in reply to: detailed breakdown of Rams from Eagles perspectives (with pictures!!) (!) #9076
znModeratorWow very detailed, I like it! Two Qbs shown from vikes game.#14 was Hill.
Yeah I noticed that. Funny.

This is a good write-up. I thought it would interest more people.
znModeratorIf it holds up all year,
its the story of the year, in the NFL
i would think — 93 rating is only average now.In a way it makes run defense all the more
important, i think. I mean, nobody
is stopping the pass, apparently.w
vI wish I knew a quick and easy way to find out if holding calls on offensive linemen are down from last year.
znModeratorBased on what I have seen this year–4 PS and 3 season games–there is no reason to expect anything other than a fairly heavy loss tomorrow.
The defense has shown nothing like the kind of discipline it will need to significantly contain the Philly offense.
Our offense has shown promise, but I doubt they are ready to win a shootout.
All my perceptions and conditioned reflexes tell me to expect a dismal failure tomorrow.
And now for the but.
I think of the Indy game last year. I’m not asserting or overdoing any parallels. Except the fact that a Fisher team CAN suddenly assert itself. It’s been known to happen.
And there is the whole thing about him making adjustments part way into a season. The defense did tighten up some last year, though not I think as much as people assume.
So, I dunno … it COULD happen.
But I wouldn’t bet on it without damn good odds.
I will tell you what.
If they win?
I say…pie for everyone.




znModeratorHis total QB rating is 15th btw:
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vThat’s his espn QBR. (They call it “QBR,” as distinct from “qb rating.”) I tend not to follow that.
In terms of just the old-fashioned QB rating it’s 17th, which is not that different. It’s 93.1.
Man with rule changes? And making the qb sack illegal? A 93.1 qb rating now ranks 17th.
More than half the league has qb ratings in the 90s or higher.
znModeratorDid anyone listen to this?
Does it say stuff?
znModeratorWV.
Yes WV.
I am calling you out.

You liked Davis back in 2012. You even at some points liked him more than Bradford. Now we all thought it was over in 2013, but that aside–now that he IS the starter, is it like you hoped?
GRANTED that we really don’t know going forward if he can sustain it…so, no one is setting you up for a later blowback. BUT…
…among the people I know, you were his earliest enthusiast. So I would just like to hear about that.
znModeratorAustin ‘big hands’ Davis
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vWell you know…Seattle’s GM said that that was one of the reasons he drafted Wilson. Handsize.
Here’s what I have heard about the “hand size” issue–which is kind of new in terms of being a thing fans discuss (GMs apparently knew about it for a while).
One way I learned about it was listening to Gruden yap on about Manziel. Gruden kept extolling the advantages. I personally don’t like either Gruden or Manziel, but from what I can tell Gruden is right that it’s a positive attribute. It allows a guy to be more accurate than they would normally be when they don’t set up properly, like under pressure or on the move. So it gives you a little more room to be spontaneous and improvise. A firmer grip with more fingers than palm just allows more control of the ball. In that sense it can compensate some for not having a “drive the ball” level strong arm.
They say it would be MOST important in bad weather. That’s one of the reasons the Seattle GM wanted Wilson–and in fact he openly talked about that.
People who have written about this back it up with some numbers. QBs with bigger hands have a much better chance of making it and playing than ones who don’t have that. The percentages back this up, apparently.
It’s not THE ONLY THING of course and not everyone with big hands is a qb let alone a good one–you obviously need a whole package of skills. But it’s one more advantage if you have it.
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znModeratorfrom off the net
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laram
I had a conversation with somebody this morning and the Whiners were reading Nick Foles audible signals. I was told when he audibled and put his hand up over his head, it was a run.
When they went to 11 and 21 personnel the Whiners stayed in their base defense and focused on the run and gave Foles the pass. He had some guys open too and missed badly. Foles doesn’t have the wide open guys running as freely this season and his accuracy has been suspect.
I think he’s like 1-12 over 20 yards. (note from me: that was from memory so I looked it up…he’s actually 1 for 14 over 31 yards, and 4 of 31 over 21…in the 21-30 range, he’s 3 of 17)
There is a LOT for the Rams to pick up from the Whiner game. No D-Jax so now you can drop a safety down. But I suspect the Eagles will be looking in the middle of the field against the Rams.
znModeratorPeople can say what they want and there are different opinions but this is an interesting story.
In 2012 he was a college spread qb who barely even knew how to drop back from center let alone read defenses and sense the rush while doing it, let alone keep his eyes downfield when moving out of the pocket. Fisher all but handed him the #2 job before the 2013 training camp, and he got beat out by CLEMENS (!), and cut, and picked up by no one (except Miami for like a day or something). The Rams didn’t even put him on the practice squad. When Bradford went down, they signed him back…but also signed Brady Quinn. At that point, before they picked him back up, he was coaching high school.
Heck he wasn’t even a decent #2 qb 4 weeks ago. (Though he was good in the last 2 preseason games before that). When he came in off the bench in the Vikes game he himself said he had trouble making the calls. He stood there on broken plays and took sacks.
When he got time with the starters for Tampa, and could throw to an improved WR corps (which is MILES ahead of where it was this time last year), yeah he has blossomed…so far (there’s still stuff we don’t know about him yet though but so far so good.)
This is going to be interesting.
Some guys have already bought into him. Actually it took me a few games before I bought into it with Bulger. (Warner, I bought in cause of game #2 that year against Atlanta. The game of The Drive.) Bradford, I was not completely aboard until the comeback wins showed up. So I am actually kind of slow to “buy in.”
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znModeratorRamBill
Jim Thomas on 920 AM to talk Rams. He talked about the oddness of the stories regarding Los Angeles and the Rams this week…did not take Randy Karraker’s comments as a report…easy to talk about the team maybe moving with the bye week, the AEG land report unrelated to the Rams (or Stan Kroenke) from JT’s perspective, NFL VP Eric Grubman has been posted in Los Angeles for years but media did not find out until recently…wondering why Rams will not issue statement on their future, transparency would be nice, the long long process of developing a new stadium, using Atlanta as an example, Los Angeles being a tremendous leverage stop for the NFL, Jeff Fisher finally announcing that Austin Davis is the starting QB.
znModeratorNFL Rookie Rankings
October 3, 2014, 1:19 PM ETBy Mel Kiper
http://www.ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?5,519330,519330#msg-519330
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9. Aaron Donald, DT, St. Louis Rams
The only thing really holding Donald back is that he’s been on the field for less than half of the Rams’ defensive snaps. But when he’s out there you see why he’s going to be special. The guy has an incredible ability to disrupt plays and penetrate the backfield. Donald is a future star in the making here.
znModeratorI also like the fact that AD has demonstrated he knows the offense and the playbook and seems capable at reading defenses.
3 years in the same system. Good advantage.
znModeratorJust somethin i thot
was inter estinw
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austin_Davis
“…For 2008, Davis was named the starting quarterback by head coach Larry Fedora and became the first freshman to be named the starting quarterback at Southern Miss since 1991… ended the year with a combined total of 15 school records for both game and single-season marks,[5] which included most passing yards in a game (461) and most rushing touchdowns in a contest (5) as well as total offense for a season (3,323).[3] Davis was ranked 16th nationally in total offense (279.7) and 52nd in passing efficiency (128.6) in the Football Bowl Subdivision (FBS). His total offense average was the highest among freshmen quarterbacks in the country, ahead of … Robert Griffin of Baylor (244.5)…”
The problem with college production? It was a spread. Basically, Davis was a victim of that unstoppable college spread thing, which just amps up production against inherently overmatched defenses without preparing them to be pro qbs. In college, a spread qb is like a one-eyed man in the kingdom of the blind.
That’s not to dismiss him. It’s just to say that the college numbers are in a sense inflated–the spread does that. And in fact, he basically said that himself in a college interview I saw. When his numbers were compared to Favre, he said well we threw a lot more than in his day.
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znModeratorI don’t think Davis gets more than two consecutive games in which his performance is part of the storyline of a loss.
Maybe 3? Nah probably 2. Good post.
Interesting times.

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mfranke
August 24, 2014
Rams 33, Browns 14http://theramshuddle.com/topic/ramview-8232014-rams-33-browns-14-long/
Austin Davis (14-22-198, 2 TD, INT) was next, and where was this guy last season, as opposed to the guy who lost his job to Kellen Clemens? Give Davis some blocking, and he looks quite all right, even with some dumb mistakes like delays of game and a truly wretched interception in the 3rd. He found Chris Givens (!) to convert a 3rd-and-19 and followed with a harpoon to Quick at the goal line for the Rams’ first TD. Next drive, a great quick read of his options and going to Givens again, man-up on a drag route and exploiting Cleveland’s ten in the box to run away for a long TD. Davis atoned for his INT in the 3rd with a long TD drive that ended with a FG in the 4th. He stepped up from a blitz and hit Trey Watts (!) for 25. He scrambled for 19 on 3rd-and-9, pointing out a man for Tre Mason to block and key the big gain. Again, funny what a little blocking will do. Davis looked in command, like a QB who can run a team.
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mfrankeRamView, August 28, 2014
Dolphins 14, Rams 13http://theramshuddle.com/topic/ramview-8282014-dolphins-14-rams-13-long/
Austin Davis (12-19-162) didn’t get off to a fast start, but by the time he was done, looked like a QB who could run the offense in a pinch. He missed Stedman Bailey and Austin Pettis badly on the opening drive and missed Chris Givens on the next drive, but settled down and hit Givens on a drag route for 24 to help set up the Rams’ first FG. After settling down his early happy feet, Davis converted an interception into points for the Rams’ first TD by throwing a rope that Pettis snagged at the goal line. A strong and confident throw. He weathered one of many Dolphin blitzes at the goal line to hit Alex Bayer for 17 in the 2nd. The Rams’ 1st-half 2:00 drive looked promising early, as Davis got the Rams quickly across midfield with completions to Pettis and Brad Smelley, but once there, he failed to identify a blitz, which helped contribute to a sack and pushed Greg Zuerlein just barely out of FG range. It took Davis a while to adjust to what Miami had coming at him, and he tended to hold the ball too long, but he also moved well, threw well and looked confident in the pocket. He’s the Austin Davis we were all expecting to see last training camp.
znModeratorFrom off the net. Just a different perspective.
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RamzFanz
Last year I was calling for AD to start over KC so they could see what they have. Imagine if they HAD, what might have happened. This is what I said then:
I hope they start him or he comes in and tears it up just so we can return to this discussion. I remember another QB who was cut and no one ever heard of and ended up being one of the best to ever play the game. Hint: Mike Martz said he pay him $50 if he would learn to throw a spiral. Coaches aren’t always right.
But now, Fisher is making the same mistake. A year ago I said I can’t wait to revisit this discussion IF AD ever got to start. I’m saying it again. IF Hill gets to start, I’ll be back to finish the discussion.
I thought it was a mistake to not see what AD had last season and I think it’s a mistake to not see what Hill has this season. I don’t give a hoot about who’s going to be the backup or starter next season, I want to see a winning season THIS season.
I’ve got nothing against Davis. I’m an AD fan too, I’m just not sure how they can anoint him after it’s been bench, bench, fired, Bradford hurt, rehired, bench. bench, bench, Bradford hurt, bench, 2 1/2 games with 1 win, starter. AD is a long critisized QB, and fairly so, who had 1 good game against Dallas and 1 win on a 10 second runoff against Tampa. Neither of those are astounding feats. Davis has had ONE great game. That game came against a suspect defense. It wasn’t even a great game so much as a great half. He’s had ONE win against a horrible defense who gave up 56 points the very next week. I’m not con-Davis, I’m pro-Davis, but building a season around him as a starter without seeing what the vet on the team has to offer is a mistake IMHO.
I’m not convinced that AD is better than SH. I’m not naming any QB the starter with that record. I would see what I have, then decide. If I’m Fisher, I at least wait a game or two more before naming anyone the starter and, given the chance, see what Hill has.
Hill played very well in that half against Minnesota. His drives were killed by penalties time and again. Hill had the team humming and was driving the ball. His performance was very good. He didn’t create penalties like Davis has (he admitted it), he had drives killed by penalties.
AD being good in this system doesn’t mean Hill couldn’t be better. Hill has qualities that could make him a better QB and I would have at least taken a fair look at him. Is 34 especially old for a QB? Does experience mean nothing? We have no idea if Hill is the future here or not. He could easily have 5-6 more years in him or more.He looked much better than AD in OTAs, TC, and PS. The half a game he played, he played very well. His drives were all stopped by penalties. He has qualities you don’t find in young QBs. He reads defenses well. He is able to anticipate the open receiver. He moves in the pocket better than AD.
Me? I would have started Hill against the Eagles and seen where it went. If it went great, wonderful, just like he thought when he named him the starter. If he sucked, pull him.
I hope AD tears it up and there’s no question going forward. I’m all for it. We’ll see. The season will play out and we’ll see if AD is who many have anointed him to be. I hope so. I always have hoped so. But I also wish they hadn’t have acted so hastily.
znModeratorfrom off the net
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Speed_Kills
for me it’s what Austin is doing with his head that is so impressive. He knows what he is doing (knows the offense) but he’s knows what everyone else is doing too. Cosell has said a couple if times now that Davis understands why certain plays are called and down and distance. That is accurate. Watch him. If you gave gamerewind check him out and how he works the game. He is not just acting as an extension of Shotty, he also thinks beyond the play call and can react as thing are happening that can alter the original call
He has found Cook. That is his safety blanket. He is always looking down the field. Sure he will take check downs. The drive that got them within 3 of Dallas he checked his way down the field! He will take chances. Like the 3rd down throw against Tampa and yes the int to close the game against the Cowboys.
Davis makes things happen….and every time you turn around a player or coach references his leadership in the huddle. This team desperately needs that
I’m all in in Davis….and here’s to him continuing to grow and elevating players around him
znModeratorMakes total sense. It’s not like we are deciding between Montana and Young here. These are two lifetime backups. Davis has the hot hand, has proven himself, and shows those intangibles you don’t get through practice alone. No one really sees the Rams winning this division without SB now anyway. Lets run with the good feelings as long as we can.
I think they both played better than people are giving credit for. Hill for example did well under much worse conditions before getting injured. I thought he fit right in to this play action offense.
The secret with guys like this is how they look when they have played a couple of NFC west defenses that have film on them.
October 2, 2014 at 7:03 pm in reply to: journalists setting up the Eagles game…including Thomas & etc. #8910
znModeratorRams vs. Eagles preview
By Phil Sheridan and Nick Wagoner
http://espn.go.com/blog/philadelphia-eagles/post/_/id/8166/rams-vs-eagles-preview
The season hit the quarter mark for the Philadelphia Eagles, who are 3-1. Thanks to a bye week, the St. Louis Rams (1-2) will reach that mark Sunday in a game at Lincoln Financial Field.
Already missing quarterback Sam Bradford, who tore his ACL during the preseason, the Rams had backup quarterback Shaun Hill injure his calf. That opened the door for Austin Davis, who completed 30 of 42 passes for 327 yards, three touchdowns and two interceptions against the Dallas Cowboys before the bye week. He will start against the Eagles.
For the Eagles, the issues aren’t clear cut. Their offensive line has been plagued by injuries, and that has led to issues in the running game and with Nick Foles’ play. The Eagles didn’t score an offensive touchdown in Sunday’s 26-21 loss in San Francisco.
They are trying to get back to top form. The Rams are trying to find their top form. ESPN NFL Nation reporters Nick Wagoner, who covers the Rams, and Phil Sheridan, who covers the Eagles, talked it all over.
Phil Sheridan: The Rams have been uncharacteristically weak when it comes to rushing the passer. Robert Quinn had 19 sacks last season and has zero through three games. How much of that is the absence of injured defensive end Chris Long? Can the Rams get it going this week without him?
Nick Wagoner: The Rams certainly miss Long and when it comes to the pass rush, that’s where his absence is most felt. But there are bigger things at play than Long’s absence when it comes to rushing the passer. For one, the Rams haven’t been able to stop the run well enough to put themselves in a lot of pass-rush situations. Through three weeks, the Rams had been passed on the least in the league and by a good margin (Oakland was next and teams had tried 16 more passes against it). That’s because teams have had so much success running the ball that they haven’t had reason to abandon it. Also, when teams do throw it, they are getting the ball out quick and doing everything they can to negate the Rams’ pass rush. But to be clear, the Rams still have to be better when the opportunities arise. They’ve had some head-scratching defensive play calls where they’ve only rushed three on third-and-long, moments you’d think would be perfect for them to dial it up. I’m sure the hope is that they can right the ship against the Eagles’ run game this week and set up opportunities to get after the quarterback.
Philadelphia’s run game has disappointed recently but the Rams have struggled to stop the run as well. How much of the struggles the Eagles have had running the ball is related to injuries on the offensive line? If not, what are other issues that might need addressing?
Sheridan: Sometimes the obvious answer really is the truth. I’d say the offensive line problems are 90 percent of the issue in the Eagles’ running game. There is an element of defensive coordinators reacting to the Eagles’ 2013 success by stacking the box and daring Nick Foles to beat them. And there is something to the notion that LeSean McCoy sometimes turns what could be a 2-yard gain into a 4-yard loss by trying too hard to break every run. Sometimes it’s best just to hit the hole, get what’s there and move on to the next play. But ultimately, being without guard Evan Mathis, center Jason Kelce and tackle Lane Johnson has greatly affected the Eagles’ running game. Johnson will be back Sunday, but not the other two. Still, I expect Chip Kelly to try hard to get McCoy going this week.
Rams coach Jeff Fisher named Austin Davis his starting quarterback earlier this week. Was that the right move? Does he give them the best chance Sunday?
Wagoner: The answer to both questions is yes. Davis has played well enough to earn another start and Fisher said the Rams plan to stick with him for the rest of the season. He gives the Rams the best chance to win now while also providing hope that he could at least develop into a long-term backup and at best put together enough good performances to be in the mix as a starter long term. He leads the league in completion percentage and has showed a knack for coming through in big moments like the team’s win in Tampa Bay. He has made and will make mistakes, but Fisher doesn’t intend to have a quick hook if those mistakes pile up. Most important, the Rams seem to feed off his energy and enthusiasm, which should make him a welcome addition in the huddle moving forward.
Nick Foles burst on the scene last year but seems like he’s fallen back to the pack a bit this year. What are you seeing from him in his second season and has he regressed or is it more a function of other pieces around him not working as well?
Sheridan: It’s a combination of things. Before the San Francisco game, Foles was leading the NFL in passing yards. It’s just that expectations are really high for him now, and he has not quite been meeting them. The offensive line is involved in this aspect of things, too. Foles was able to set his feet and make his throws at his leisure most of the time last season. That luxury is no longer afforded him. The result is that he’s been just a little off, especially on deep throws. That’s enough to make them ineffective, which means Foles isn’t making defenses pay for the attention they’re paying to the run game. If Foles can do what he did against Washington, for example, it will help all facets of the Eagles’ offense.
The Rams’ defense has had trouble stopping passes in the middle of the field, an area the Eagles like to exploit. Would an improved pass rush fix that or is it more about the state of the Rams’ secondary?
Wagoner: I don’t necessarily think the pass rush is the main reason for it, though a better pass rush should help against any and all pass attempts. There have been times when the Rams haven’t gotten to the quarterback and it’s opened passes up over the middle of the field. But to me, the Rams need to get better play from their linebackers, safeties and corners working out of the slot. They like to use safety T.J. McDonald in the box on a consistent basis, and though that’s where he’s best used, they do it so often that it leaves the other safety, Rodney McLeod, fending for himself on the back end a lot. Beyond that, it seems like middle linebacker James Laurinaitis is being asked to do too much back there, being used almost like he’s working in a Cover 2. Either way, the Rams certainly can’t afford to be soft in the middle of the field against Zach Ertz and Darren Sproles this week.
To what do you attribute the Eagles’ defensive struggles and what are some areas the Rams could exploit?
Sheridan: The Eagles are vulnerable in every facet of the game, but they do find ways to make plays as well. They simplified their defense last year in order to hasten the transition to a 3-4. This year, coordinator Bill Davis has tried to add complexity. That has meant some growing pains. Washington and Jacksonville had a lot of success with quick passes, while Indianapolis and San Francisco relied heavily on their running games. So both approaches are possible. The Eagles did a much better job rushing the quarterback Sunday, sacking Colin Kaepernick four times after going two weeks without a sack. If they’re able to keep that up, it will put pressure on the Rams to adjust.
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Rams at Eagles: Stats of the Week69
Number of passing attempts against the Rams in 2014, the lowest in the league before their Week 4 bye and now the fewest attempts by an even bigger margin.
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Nick Foles “completed” two passes to 49ers defenders on balls thrown 20 or more yards Sunday. He completed zero such passes to Eagles receivers, the most attempts without a completion since ESPN Stats & Info began tracking that data in 2006.
znModeratorThere were about three plays
he made against Dallas where
i went “damn!.”
Escape-and-Pass plays.
Russell Wilson type plays.w
vI think it’s important to have the perspective of a diehard Seattle fan.
Though truth be known, I don’t get how you live with all that depressing rain.
Or those stupid lime-green uniforms.
Still, to each his own I guess.
znModeratorThat picture is evil looking ZN. LOL
Grits
It’s a behind the scenes photo from this movie:
znModeratorAnybody who has watched Davis since he showed up in camp in 2012 and really paid attention thought this kid has something going for him
Actually there were people who went to every single camp open practice for the last few years who said he basically sucked in 2013. Those are the people who really watched him since he showed up. He basically had the #2 job handed to him at the start of 2013 camp, and lost it. He looked lost in 2013 pre-season games too. So there are more bumps on the road than that.
znModeratorJim Thomas
Wednesday, October 01, 2014JT starts at 1:30 in
znModeratorSumm history.
Rams have had, IMO, 4 top MLBs since I started following them. And the Rams luck with them has not been good.
In the late 70s and 80s, there was Carl Ekern and then Jim Collins. Both were just constantly injured.
There was Jack Reynolds, and then the Rams unloaded him. The reason they let him walk is because he did not fit Bud Carson’s defense. He could not take deep drops into coverage.
That was the same reason Lovie wanted Duncan over Fletcher.
Ironically, it was the same defense. Lovie ran that ole Tampa cover 2 he got from Dungy, and Dungy got that ole cover 2 from the Steelers, and … Bud Carson.
So that ole Steelers-then-Tampa cover 2 and its coaches have driven off 2 Rams MLBs, Reynolds and Fletcher.
In hindsight, if’n it wuzz me, I wouldn’t have said “I want that cover 2! Hire Carson, hire Lovie!” Instead, I would have said “who is running a defense out there that could really use Hacksaw or London?”
znModeratorfrom another article
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http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/02/post_179.html
The league loves quarterbacks with hands like candelabras – wide palms, long fingers.
“That’s something that is highly underrated,” Arizona coach Bruce Arians said. “It does depend on where you play. You play (indoors), not too bad. But if you play in Green Bay and struggle controlling a football when it’s cold and wet then that’s a problem.”
The NFL has been measuring hand size since the mid 1960s, former Dallas Cowboys executive Gil Brandt said, but in an information age when everything is quantified public intrigue has grown.
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Two years ago, Seattle Seahawks general manager John Schneider came off like the Violent Femmes in “Blister in the Sun” while discussing Russell Wilson.
The GM made it known Wilson’s big hands (10-1/4-inch) factored in selecting the 5-foot-11 quarterback because of the city’s rainy environs.
Although weight can be gained, body fat shed and speed enhanced, no personal trainer or dietary supplement helps with the hands. There isn’t an exercise to make them larger for the combine.
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Whitfield likened the importance of a quarterback’s hand size to that of a basketball point guard’s.
“You just have so much more control,” Whitfield said. “If you can get the ball to do what you want it to do on a calm day or windy day you have a distinct advantage.”
znModeratorfirst, here’s the link.
http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/nfl/47036/311/exploring-qb-hand-size
and i got to credit ag for finding this article. or maybe it was someone else. but i think it’s at the very least an interesting hypothesis.
the hypothesis being that a quarterback doesn’t necessarily need elite size to be a good qb. rather large hands are more useful in order to be a successful qb.
the idea behind large hands is that it would allow the qb to better control the ball and throw it accurately. it makes sense. a better grip on the ball would allow the qb to get better spin and make more accurate throws even when he can’t put his entire body or arm into it or the weather conditions make the ball slick. obviously, the latter doesn’t matter as much in a dome.
russell wilson has 10 1/4″ hands. the largest hands included in this article is favre with 10 3/8″ hands. the article also hypothesizes that hand size is an even better predictor of success than height.
davis measured in at the combine at 10 3/8″. i think the largest this year was thomas of virginia tech with 10 7/8″ hands.
obviously, this would only be part of the answer. russell wilson has many other attributes that make him successful. he’s smart, tough, and competitive. his mind probably processes visual information faster than other qbs do. but if davis has the smarts. if he has the competitiveness. if he has the vision. man cuz his physical attributes seem to be optimal for his position.
large hands and agility. interested to see how davis progresses this season.
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from your linked article:
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short Quarterbacks Who ThriveConsider that the NFL average for quarterback hand size is currently 9.6 inches. Well, some of the top “short” quarterbacks (6’2” or shorter) of the past decade have ridiculously large hands—Drew Brees (10.25 inches), Russell Wilson (10.25 inches), Brett Favre (10.38 inches). There are also countless tall quarterbacks with small hands who were drafted highly and failed to live up to expectations.
Small-Handed Quarterbacks Who Excel
There are some quarterbacks with small hands who have bucked the trend to play well in the NFL, too. But as I studied those quarterbacks, it became clear that the majority have one thing in common—mobility. Some of the top small-handed quarterbacks to play in the past decade include Michael Vick (historically small 8.5-inch hands), Colin Kaepernick (9.13 inches), Robert Griffin III (9.5 inches), Daunte Culpepper (9.5 inches), Aaron Rodgers (9.38 inches), and Tony Romo (8.86 inches).
All of those passers are either runners or have well above-average mobility in the pocket.
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