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  • #8803
    zn
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    Jim Thomas @jthom1
    fisher names Davis starting qb

    Nick Wagoner ‏@nwagoner
    Jeff Fisher announces that he informed Austin Davis that he is the starting quarterback this morning. Says no short hook moving forward.

    Nate Latsch ‏@NateLatsch
    Jeff Fisher just told reporters that Austin Davis will be the #Rams starting quarterback for the rest of the season.

    #8806
    wv
    Participant

    Well, aint that inter esting.

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    #8808
    InvaderRam
    Moderator

    cool. i like it. the season just became that much more fun to follow. now just gotta get greg on the field.

    #8809
    RamBill
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    Jeff Fisher: Austin Davis is starter
    By Nick Wagoner | ESPN.com

    http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11624255/jeff-fisher-says-austin-davis-start-quarterback-st-louis-rams?ex_cid=espnapi_public

    EARTH CITY, Mo. — St. Louis Rams coach Jeff Fisher officially named Austin Davis his starting quarterback on Wednesday afternoon.

    That’s not much of a departure from what has taken place in each of the past two games but it does represent a shift in what Fisher has been willing to say publicly.

    Since veteran backup Shaun Hill suffered a calf injury in the season opener against Minnesota, Fisher has been adamant that Hill would resume starting duties when healthy.

    But Davis played well enough in starts against Tampa Bay and Dallas that Fisher was forced to reconsider.

    “We’re going to go ahead and start Austin for the remainder of the season,” Fisher said. “It’s not that Shaun lost the job. It’s that Austin earned an opportunity to keep it. Shaun understands. He’s a team player. In my parting comments with Austin, I told him not to look over his shoulder. So he’s going to take this team and run with it.”

    Fisher informed Hill and Davis of his decision in his office Wednesday morning. After Davis threw for 235 yards and led the Rams on a game-winning drive against the Buccaneers, Fisher began leaning toward giving him a bigger opportunity.

    When Davis followed with a 327-yard, three-touchdown effort in a losing cause against Dallas, Fisher’s mind was made up.

    “I think it’s important that you avoid the questions, you avoid the controversies and things like that,” Fisher said. “Yes, I did say that Shaun was our quarterback. My job is to make the right decisions.

    “[Davis] deserved it. He deserves an opportunity. He’s worked very hard. I think he’s proven that with a week’s worth of preparation what he can do on the field.”

    In two starts plus a half of relief behind Hill, Davis has thrown for 754 yards, three touchdowns and three interceptions for a passer rating of 93.1 and a QBR of 66.7. His 72.3 percent completion rate is first in the NFL.

    Davis said he didn’t spend much time thinking about his role over the past few weeks but is pleased to know that he’s getting an extended chance at the job.

    “Obviously, I’m just excited for the opportunity to have a good chance to go play,” Davis said. “Coach Fish was very adamant not to look over your shoulder. He picks a guy and he sticks with him. That vote of confidence is huge. I really appreciate that.”

    #8812
    Herzog
    Participant

    Dayeeeeeeeem. Dayeeeeeeem! Dayeeeeeeeeeem!!!!!!!

    #8813
    Zooey
    Participant

    Austin Davis is an extremely lucky man.

    If Bradford had not been hurt, he would not be employed in the NFL right now at all. They would have kept Hill as the #2, and the draft pick for future development, and Davis would have been gone.

    #8816
    zn
    Moderator

    Austin Davis is an extremely lucky man.

    If Bradford had not been hurt, he would not be employed in the NFL right now at all. They would have kept Hill as the #2, and the draft pick for future development, and Davis would have been gone.

    I don’t know about that. I think if Bradford had stayed, Davis was the third, just based on how he started getting it together in the pre-season.

    #8818
    wv
    Participant

    Shouldn’t Fisher have left Philly wondering
    who would start?

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    #8823
    Zooey
    Participant

    Zooey wrote:
    Austin Davis is an extremely lucky man.

    If Bradford had not been hurt, he would not be employed in the NFL right now at all. They would have kept Hill as the #2, and the draft pick for future development, and Davis would have been gone.

    I don’t know about that. I think if Bradford had stayed, Davis was the third, just based on how he started getting it together in the pre-season.

    If you say so. I don’t remember reading anything positive about Davis during pre-season. I remember thinking the guy was a goner, for sure. There was no point in keeping him with a healthy Bradford, Hill, and Gilbert (either on the team or PS).

    #8825
    wv
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    &zn wrote:

    Zooey wrote:
    Austin Davis is an extremely lucky man.

    If Bradford had not been hurt, he would not be employed in the NFL right now at all. They would have kept Hill as the #2, and the draft pick for future development, and Davis would have been gone.

    I don’t know about that. I think if Bradford had stayed, Davis was the third, just based on how he started getting it together in the pre-season.

    If you say so. I don’t remember reading anything positive about Davis during pre-season. I remember thinking the guy was a goner, for sure. There was no point in keeping him with a healthy Bradford, Hill, and Gilbert (either on the team or PS).

    I think AustinD did pretty well in preseason,
    and Gilbert looked pretty bad.

    Still, if you’d told me the Rams would be
    starting AustinD back then, I’d have
    said the season was over.

    So far, the Kid is the story of the Season.
    So far.

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    #8828
    Zooey
    Participant

    I am thinking more of camp rather than exhibition games. The reports were pretty dang lackluster iirc. Not that Gilbert ever got a positive write up. But it just seemed unlikely to me that the Rams would hang onto Davis. Draft picks almost always get a stretch of time to develop, and Davis already had time to develop, and didn’t seem to do so. The Rams had cut him before.

    #8829
    zn
    Moderator

    I am thinking more of camp rather than exhibition games. The reports were pretty dang lackluster iirc. Not that Gilbert ever got a positive write up. But it just seemed unlikely to me that the Rams would hang onto Davis. Draft picks almost always get a stretch of time to develop, and Davis already had time to develop, and didn’t seem to do so. The Rams had cut him before.

    Yes, as I recall it, in camp, Davis did not stand out, and Gilbert was being given every chance to displace him.

    It was the pre-season where you had to start changing your tune on Davis. Not in the first exhibition game, but after that. He started to show up.

    NOW we need to find out if he can sustain it.

    #8865
    c1ram
    Participant

    Makes total sense. It’s not like we are deciding between Montana and Young here. These are two lifetime backups. Davis has the hot hand, has proven himself, and shows those intangibles you don’t get through practice alone. No one really sees the Rams winning this division without SB now anyway. Lets run with the good feelings as long as we can.

    #8871
    GreatRamNTheSky
    Participant

    Anybody who has watched Davis since he showed up in camp in 2012 and really paid attention thought this kid has something going for him. I find it amazing to think that anyone who was actually paying attention would say stuff like I thought he was just a camp arm. Unbelievable.

    In case you didn’t notice, yah they cut him last season after a poor 2013 pre-season camp but they also brought him back. You don’t bring back players who have no ability cuz you like them.

    Geez Zooey, I’ve been calling this since day one that Davis should be the starter. Where have you been?

    Grits

    #8875
    wv
    Participant

    Makes total sense. It’s not like we are deciding between Montana and Young here. These are two lifetime backups. Davis has the hot hand, has proven himself, and shows those intangibles you don’t get through practice alone. No one really sees the Rams winning this division without SB now anyway. Lets run with the good feelings as long as we can.

    Well after having watched AustinD,
    I dont think of him as a
    “lifetime backup” anymore.
    I”m not sure what he is,
    but I think he might be
    an NFL starting-QB.
    I dunno.

    There were about three plays
    he made against Dallas where
    i went “damn!.”
    Escape-and-Pass plays.
    Russell Wilson type plays.

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    #8877
    zn
    Moderator

    Anybody who has watched Davis since he showed up in camp in 2012 and really paid attention thought this kid has something going for him

    Actually there were people who went to every single camp open practice for the last few years who said he basically sucked in 2013. Those are the people who really watched him since he showed up. He basically had the #2 job handed to him at the start of 2013 camp, and lost it. He looked lost in 2013 pre-season games too. So there are more bumps on the road than that.

    #8883
    zn
    Moderator

    There were about three plays
    he made against Dallas where
    i went “damn!.”
    Escape-and-Pass plays.
    Russell Wilson type plays.

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    I think it’s important to have the perspective of a diehard Seattle fan.

    Though truth be known, I don’t get how you live with all that depressing rain.

    Or those stupid lime-green uniforms.

    Still, to each his own I guess.

    #8889
    Agamemnon
    Moderator

    It has never been a big deal to me, who starts. Davis hasn’t been injured.

    Agamemnon

    #8890
    Eternal Ramnation
    Participant

    Maybe this new flexibility in Fishers approach is the shift we’ve been waiting for. Like in 99 when DV changed his coaching methods to a more modern approach. One thing I am certain about ,Hill is the better back up. He has the experience to come in cold and do the job.

    #8948
    zn
    Moderator

    Makes total sense. It’s not like we are deciding between Montana and Young here. These are two lifetime backups. Davis has the hot hand, has proven himself, and shows those intangibles you don’t get through practice alone. No one really sees the Rams winning this division without SB now anyway. Lets run with the good feelings as long as we can.

    I think they both played better than people are giving credit for. Hill for example did well under much worse conditions before getting injured. I thought he fit right in to this play action offense.

    The secret with guys like this is how they look when they have played a couple of NFC west defenses that have film on them.

    #8955
    zn
    Moderator

    From off the net. Just a different perspective.

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    RamzFanz

    Last year I was calling for AD to start over KC so they could see what they have. Imagine if they HAD, what might have happened. This is what I said then:

    I hope they start him or he comes in and tears it up just so we can return to this discussion. I remember another QB who was cut and no one ever heard of and ended up being one of the best to ever play the game. Hint: Mike Martz said he pay him $50 if he would learn to throw a spiral. Coaches aren’t always right.

    But now, Fisher is making the same mistake. A year ago I said I can’t wait to revisit this discussion IF AD ever got to start. I’m saying it again. IF Hill gets to start, I’ll be back to finish the discussion.

    I thought it was a mistake to not see what AD had last season and I think it’s a mistake to not see what Hill has this season. I don’t give a hoot about who’s going to be the backup or starter next season, I want to see a winning season THIS season.

    I’ve got nothing against Davis. I’m an AD fan too, I’m just not sure how they can anoint him after it’s been bench, bench, fired, Bradford hurt, rehired, bench. bench, bench, Bradford hurt, bench, 2 1/2 games with 1 win, starter. AD is a long critisized QB, and fairly so, who had 1 good game against Dallas and 1 win on a 10 second runoff against Tampa. Neither of those are astounding feats. Davis has had ONE great game. That game came against a suspect defense. It wasn’t even a great game so much as a great half. He’s had ONE win against a horrible defense who gave up 56 points the very next week. I’m not con-Davis, I’m pro-Davis, but building a season around him as a starter without seeing what the vet on the team has to offer is a mistake IMHO.

    I’m not convinced that AD is better than SH. I’m not naming any QB the starter with that record. I would see what I have, then decide. If I’m Fisher, I at least wait a game or two more before naming anyone the starter and, given the chance, see what Hill has.

    Hill played very well in that half against Minnesota. His drives were killed by penalties time and again. Hill had the team humming and was driving the ball. His performance was very good. He didn’t create penalties like Davis has (he admitted it), he had drives killed by penalties.

    AD being good in this system doesn’t mean Hill couldn’t be better. Hill has qualities that could make him a better QB and I would have at least taken a fair look at him. Is 34 especially old for a QB? Does experience mean nothing? We have no idea if Hill is the future here or not. He could easily have 5-6 more years in him or more.He looked much better than AD in OTAs, TC, and PS. The half a game he played, he played very well. His drives were all stopped by penalties. He has qualities you don’t find in young QBs. He reads defenses well. He is able to anticipate the open receiver. He moves in the pocket better than AD.

    Me? I would have started Hill against the Eagles and seen where it went. If it went great, wonderful, just like he thought when he named him the starter. If he sucked, pull him.

    I hope AD tears it up and there’s no question going forward. I’m all for it. We’ll see. The season will play out and we’ll see if AD is who many have anointed him to be. I hope so. I always have hoped so. But I also wish they hadn’t have acted so hastily.

    #8958
    nittany ram
    Moderator

    RamzFanz

    Last year I was calling for AD to start over KC so they could see what they have. Imagine if they HAD, what might have happened. This is what I said then:

    I hope they start him or he comes in and tears it up just so we can return to this discussion. I remember another QB who was cut and no one ever heard of and ended up being one of the best to ever play the game. Hint: Mike Martz said he pay him $50 if he would learn to throw a spiral. Coaches aren’t always right.

    But now, Fisher is making the same mistake. A year ago I said I can’t wait to revisit this discussion IF AD ever got to start. I’m saying it again. IF Hill gets to start, I’ll be back to finish the discussion.

    I thought it was a mistake to not see what AD had last season and I think it’s a mistake to not see what Hill has this season. I don’t give a hoot about who’s going to be the backup or starter next season, I want to see a winning season THIS season.

    I’ve got nothing against Davis. I’m an AD fan too, I’m just not sure how they can anoint him after it’s been bench, bench, fired, Bradford hurt, rehired, bench. bench, bench, Bradford hurt, bench, 2 1/2 games with 1 win, starter. AD is a long critisized QB, and fairly so, who had 1 good game against Dallas and 1 win on a 10 second runoff against Tampa. Neither of those are astounding feats. Davis has had ONE great game. That game came against a suspect defense. It wasn’t even a great game so much as a great half. He’s had ONE win against a horrible defense who gave up 56 points the very next week. I’m not con-Davis, I’m pro-Davis, but building a season around him as a starter without seeing what the vet on the team has to offer is a mistake IMHO.

    I’m not convinced that AD is better than SH. I’m not naming any QB the starter with that record. I would see what I have, then decide. If I’m Fisher, I at least wait a game or two more before naming anyone the starter and, given the chance, see what Hill has.

    Hill played very well in that half against Minnesota. His drives were killed by penalties time and again. Hill had the team humming and was driving the ball. His performance was very good. He didn’t create penalties like Davis has (he admitted it), he had drives killed by penalties.

    AD being good in this system doesn’t mean Hill couldn’t be better. Hill has qualities that could make him a better QB and I would have at least taken a fair look at him. Is 34 especially old for a QB? Does experience mean nothing? We have no idea if Hill is the future here or not. He could easily have 5-6 more years in him or more.He looked much better than AD in OTAs, TC, and PS. The half a game he played, he played very well. His drives were all stopped by penalties. He has qualities you don’t find in young QBs. He reads defenses well. He is able to anticipate the open receiver. He moves in the pocket better than AD.

    Me? I would have started Hill against the Eagles and seen where it went. If it went great, wonderful, just like he thought when he named him the starter. If he sucked, pull him.

    I hope AD tears it up and there’s no question going forward. I’m all for it. We’ll see. The season will play out and we’ll see if AD is who many have anointed him to be. I hope so. I always have hoped so. But I also wish they hadn’t have acted so hastily.

    I agree with a lot of this and had some reservations when Davis was named starter, but I doubt Fisher made his decision in a vacuum. I’m sure he had input from Schotty and others. Put it this way, if Schotty didn’t think the kid should start I doubt very much that Fisher would have named him the starter, right? And of course Schotty and his offensive coaches would have the best feel for AD’s abilities and grasp of the offense.

    And it’s not like Hill is going anywhere.

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    #8961
    zn
    Moderator

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    mfranke
    August 24, 2014
    Rams 33, Browns 14

    http://theramshuddle.com/topic/ramview-8232014-rams-33-browns-14-long/

    Austin Davis (14-22-198, 2 TD, INT) was next, and where was this guy last season, as opposed to the guy who lost his job to Kellen Clemens? Give Davis some blocking, and he looks quite all right, even with some dumb mistakes like delays of game and a truly wretched interception in the 3rd. He found Chris Givens (!) to convert a 3rd-and-19 and followed with a harpoon to Quick at the goal line for the Rams’ first TD. Next drive, a great quick read of his options and going to Givens again, man-up on a drag route and exploiting Cleveland’s ten in the box to run away for a long TD. Davis atoned for his INT in the 3rd with a long TD drive that ended with a FG in the 4th. He stepped up from a blitz and hit Trey Watts (!) for 25. He scrambled for 19 on 3rd-and-9, pointing out a man for Tre Mason to block and key the big gain. Again, funny what a little blocking will do. Davis looked in command, like a QB who can run a team.

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    mfranke

    RamView, August 28, 2014
    Dolphins 14, Rams 13

    http://theramshuddle.com/topic/ramview-8282014-dolphins-14-rams-13-long/

    Austin Davis (12-19-162) didn’t get off to a fast start, but by the time he was done, looked like a QB who could run the offense in a pinch. He missed Stedman Bailey and Austin Pettis badly on the opening drive and missed Chris Givens on the next drive, but settled down and hit Givens on a drag route for 24 to help set up the Rams’ first FG. After settling down his early happy feet, Davis converted an interception into points for the Rams’ first TD by throwing a rope that Pettis snagged at the goal line. A strong and confident throw. He weathered one of many Dolphin blitzes at the goal line to hit Alex Bayer for 17 in the 2nd. The Rams’ 1st-half 2:00 drive looked promising early, as Davis got the Rams quickly across midfield with completions to Pettis and Brad Smelley, but once there, he failed to identify a blitz, which helped contribute to a sack and pushed Greg Zuerlein just barely out of FG range. It took Davis a while to adjust to what Miami had coming at him, and he tended to hold the ball too long, but he also moved well, threw well and looked confident in the pocket. He’s the Austin Davis we were all expecting to see last training camp.

    #8966
    Zooey
    Participant

    Well, Fisher had to make a decision, and either QB was a defensible choice at this point. And I don’t fault him for the way it went down.

    Coaches are like politicians, and presidents, and theatre directors. When you are the guy in charge of an entire program, you simply aren’t at liberty to say whatever you think, or even tell it like it is.

    Fisher was adamant the whole time that Hill was the starter, all the while considering his options with an open mind. That’s what a coach has to do. Now, he names Davis the starter from this point forward…”Don’t look over your shoulder; you’re the man”…and he knows that Davis’ hold on the position DOES depend upon his performance, and that he might have to go to Hill.

    Fisher knows that. He can’t say that.

    If he said that, you know what would happen in the locker room and during every single interview.

    Right now, Davis is the starter against the Eagles, and it’s his job to lose going forward. But I don’t think Davis gets more than two consecutive games in which his performance is part of the storyline of a loss.

    #8967
    zn
    Moderator

    I don’t think Davis gets more than two consecutive games in which his performance is part of the storyline of a loss.

    Maybe 3? Nah probably 2. Good post.

    Interesting times. x

    #8969
    wv
    Participant

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    #8975
    GreatRamNTheSky
    Participant

    Wow, AD with the one handed grab. Kid is quite an athlete.

    Grits

    #8979
    Zooey
    Participant

    Zooey wrote:
    I don’t think Davis gets more than two consecutive games in which his performance is part of the storyline of a loss.

    Maybe 3? Nah probably 2. Good post.

    Interesting times. x

    Sure. Three. It would depend on how big of a contributor his performance was in the losses, who the next opponent is, the relative health of both QBs, the psychological mindset of Davis going forward, the pulse of the locker room, and so on.

    Obviously, the number isn’t important, as you know. All I’m really saying is Davis has been instructed not to look over his shoulder, but let’s face it, Fisher is looking over his shoulder. That’s the reality.

    So…here’s hoping Davis rips off one good performance after another.

    #9012
    InvaderRam
    Moderator

    Wow, AD with the one handed grab. Kid is quite an athlete.

    Grits

    well he does have those gargantuan hands…

    #9015
    wv
    Participant

    GreatRamNTheSky wrote:
    Wow, AD with the one handed grab. Kid is quite an athlete.

    Grits

    well he does have those gargantuan hands…

    LoL

    Austin ‘big hands’ Davis

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