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I like Davis, but like I said before, his arm is too weak, for my tastes anyway. The second interception turns in 7 points with a stronger arm.
AgamemnonHere’s the important question regarding Davis:
Has he hit his ceiling?
If what you see is what you get then the Rams are far from set at the QB position and need to address it next year.
If not—then how long does he get to learn, to grow, to get better and fix his flaws?
In my mind, realistically, the Rams aren’t going anywhere this year, whether it’s Hill OR Davis or even Keenum. The Austin Davis experiment has begun. May as well finish it. We know that Hill is NOT the future. We know(realistically) he won’t get them to a Superbowl this year.
They may as well be certain of where Davis’s ceiling is.
If he continues to crack under pressure–if he shows no sign of keeping his head during a blitz, can’t pick up reads, continues to run and “jump-throw” the ball into interceptions and just doesn’t seem to be able to elevate above the bad habits, move along.
But if he shows some progress here and there maybe just let it ride.
One play where I did notice a difference was the check down to Cunningham when he was under pressure. I thought–“yes”–that’s what you need to do.
The Rams would need to win at least 7 of the next 8 to have a CHANCE at the post season.
For now, I’d prefer to let Davis play and KNOW what you have next year. If nothing else you’re evaluating him for a back-up role and if he surprises…maybe more.
Yesterday was, for sure, his worst game. It’s no more fair to judge him on his worst game than it is his best one.
He has to show he can handle pressure–keep a cool head.
That’s his audition for now.
Let’s see how he handles the role.
"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick
The Austin Davis experiment has begun. May as well finish it. We know that Hill is NOT the future. We know(realistically) he won’t get them to a Superbowl this year.
I get that argument but I don’t think it’s realistic. I am much more of a “win now” guy and I think off-season determinations are for the off-season. I think the best thing for Davis’s improvement is to sit and watch for a while and work on sharpening the aspects of his game that he CAN work on, in the off-season.
I am going to tease you.
If they do it your way? I can see the pep speeches now: “Team, give it your best and give it your all. Scoff at injuries, play in pain, throw yourself into it heart body and soul. Give it all of your blood sweat and tears. And here’s why–the staff is in the process of determining whether or not the qb is a future back-up. So…go Rams!”
The stuff dreams are made of.
They didn’t throw a first-round pick at Davis and they aren’t in this awkward position where they have to stick by him or admit that the pick was wasted.
I prefer win-now stuff.
Then again, twice now Davis was making the same kinds of mistakes and not running the offense the way it should be–which btw a lot of the sacks are on HIM not the OL–and twice now they straightened him out for at least a game or 2.
So I don’t know what the reality is.
I just prefer win now. I think “win now” has a way of taking care of things.
PA Ram wrote:
The Austin Davis experiment has begun. May as well finish it. We know that Hill is NOT the future. We know(realistically) he won’t get them to a Superbowl this year.I get that argument but I don’t think it’s realistic. I am much more of a “win now” guy and I think off-season determinations are for the off-season. I think the best thing for Davis’s improvement is to sit and watch for a while and work on sharpening the aspects of his game that he CAN work on, in the off-season.
I am going to tease you.
If they do it your way? I can see the pep speeches now: “Team, give it your best and give it your all. Scoff at injuries, play in pain, throw yourself into it heart body and soul. Give it all of your blood sweat and tears. And here’s why–the staff is in the process of determining whether or not the qb is a future back-up. So…go Rams!”
The stuff dreams are made of.
They didn’t throw a first-round pick at Davis and they aren’t in this awkward position where they have to stick by him or admit that the pick was wasted.
I prefer win-now stuff.
Then again, twice now Davis was making the same kinds of mistakes and not running the offense the way it should be–which btw a lot of the sacks are on HIM not the OL–and twice now they straightened him out for at least a game or 2.
So I don’t know what the reality is.
I just prefer win now. I think “win now” has a way of taking care of things.
But they DID win–even with his worst performance. And I don’t think you’d pin their 5 losses on Austin Davis.
Winning is always the most important thing, but who has any idea that Hill gives the Rams the better shot of winning? And if Hill comes in and stinks? How is a QB carousel good for anything?
Also–there is short and long term thinking, and while players may be invested in the here and now–coaches are long term thinkers as well as short term thinkers.
Look–even if they win two more games this year because of Hill–how does that help them next year?
This team shows no carryover from one year to the next. Next year is a whole new thing. There will be changes.
I’m just suggesting that staying with Davis right now(short of him having a big regression or complete meltdown) offers more long term benefits than tossing in Hill to win a game or two and I’m only saying that because, as I asked in my last post: What is his ceiling?
That’s where I sit in all of this.
If the coaching staff believes he has hit his ceiling and this is it, fine–move on.
If not–continue the experiment a while longer.
I believe that the things Davis needs to learn are probably best learned in starting reps during practice and game experience.
And if you pull the plug too soon and Hill does no better, that tells the team you’re lost.
So–while I am critical of Davis–I would be patient for now.
Believe me, the thought of pulling him crossed my mind yesterday. Looking back, I’m glad they didn’t.
Going forward, we’ll see.
None of this is carved in stone. Everything is subject to change.
"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>zn wrote:</div>
PA Ram wrote:
The Austin Davis experiment has begun. May as well finish it. We know that Hill is NOT the future. We know(realistically) he won’t get them to a Superbowl this year.I get that argument but I don’t think it’s realistic. I am much more of a “win now” guy and I think off-season determinations are for the off-season. I think the best thing for Davis’s improvement is to sit and watch for a while and work on sharpening the aspects of his game that he CAN work on, in the off-season.
I am going to tease you.
If they do it your way? I can see the pep speeches now: “Team, give it your best and give it your all. Scoff at injuries, play in pain, throw yourself into it heart body and soul. Give it all of your blood sweat and tears. And here’s why–the staff is in the process of determining whether or not the qb is a future back-up. So…go Rams!”
The stuff dreams are made of.
They didn’t throw a first-round pick at Davis and they aren’t in this awkward position where they have to stick by him or admit that the pick was wasted.
I prefer win-now stuff.
Then again, twice now Davis was making the same kinds of mistakes and not running the offense the way it should be–which btw a lot of the sacks are on HIM not the OL–and twice now they straightened him out for at least a game or 2.
So I don’t know what the reality is.
I just prefer win now. I think “win now” has a way of taking care of things.
But they DID win–even with his worst performance. And I don’t think you’d pin their 5 losses on Austin Davis.
Winning is always the most important thing, but who has any idea that Hill gives the Rams the better shot of winning? And if Hill comes in and stinks? How is a QB carousel good for anything?
Also–there is short and long term thinking, and while players may be invested in the here and now–coaches are long term thinkers as well as short term thinkers.
Look–even if they win two more games this year because of Hill–how does that help them next year?
This team shows no carryover from one year to the next. Next year is a whole new thing. There will be changes.
I’m just suggesting that staying with Davis right now(short of him having a big regression or complete meltdown) offers more long term benefits than tossing in Hill to win a game or two and I’m only saying that because, as I asked in my last post: What is his ceiling?
That’s where I sit in all of this.
If the coaching staff believes he has hit his ceiling and this is it, fine–move on.
If not–continue the experiment a while longer.
I believe that the things Davis needs to learn are probably best learned in starting reps during practice and game experience.
And if you pull the plug too soon and Hill does no better, that tells the team you’re lost.
So–while I am critical of Davis–I would be patient for now.
Believe me, the thought of pulling him crossed my mind yesterday. Looking back, I’m glad they didn’t.
Going forward, we’ll see.
None of this is carved in stone. Everything is subject to change.
When just looking at qb play my assessment is that they can and absolutely need to do better. Rams can’t keep depending on ref’s calls on last minute fumbles to win. They should have been up by at least 7-10 in that game. Moderately decent, unpanicked qb could have done that.
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>cgsuddeath wrote:</div>
Not a fair assessment of Bradford as this is the first year the Rams offense have been 85% stocked.Watch what happens next year.You will see that Bradford is clearly the superior quarterback.Bradford is indeed a far superior QB.
Trouble is, he cannot be trusted to be healthy. No way the team can see him as the starter for next year. We MUST at least get another viable starter, more than a back up, a guy who can actually challenge defenses. And the price for that could be cutting Sam.
I love Sam. But his stay in StL is more than likely over.
People forget that in 2010 and 2012 when he had reasonably good protection he was injury free.I can assure you fisher sees the same thing so I wouldn’t be to quick to say that he is gone.
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