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znModeratorI think Bradford is a better qb than Foles. Like, by a lot.
But then the Eagles paid for him in trade in a way that acknowledges that.
If Foles can be a decent play-action qb then he’s all they need.
It just means scaling the expectations back for the offense, IMO.
It also means not having to worry about the 2 ACLs.
znModeratori’m not disappointed although i always wonder if the idea of kendricks was always more appealing than the actual production.
we’ll see. maybe the shackles will be taken off this year.
Depends on what you think he is.
To me he is a highly valuable utility TE who can pass block, run block, line up all over the formation to block both ways, AND can catch passes.
If you’re just looking for stats production, IMO, you;re looking for the wrong things.
I think he can produce more than he has as a receiver…we’ve seen it…but he is a valuable utility guy first and foremost.
Heck for a couple of years Seattle paid Zach Miller 11 M a year just to block.
IMO they like all the things Kendricks does. IMO they think he does it all at a high level. A lot of what he does is invisible in the stats dept.
znModeratorI think all those guys are a notch above Kendicks.
I don’t. I mean except Davis. I think Kendricks was under-utilized last year because they need him as a pass blocker.
That’s my theory anyway.
znModeratorSo, you want to pay a TE like he is Scott Wells??????????? 😉
When I look at contracts I compare them to the avg. for the position for the category of player it is–ie in this case, TEs in their second contract.
By that standard, Kendricks is not overpaid.
He is being paid more or less what blocking TEs are getting. Expensive TEs are are getting 7, 8, 10 M a year.
http://overthecap.com/position/tight-end
2nd numbers column here is avg. per year:
znModeratorRams re-sign TE Lance Kendricks (4 years, $18.5 million): D Grade
http://walterfootball.com/freeagentsigninggrades.php
Uhh… did the Rams look at the wrong stats when drawing up this deal for Lance Kendricks? Or did Kendricks drug the general manager and convince him to offer nearly $5 million per season? I suppose either scenario could have occurred.
I think the Rams overpaid for Kendicks, but he has a better chance of performing to his contract than Cook does. imo
I think it is as simple as this.
Kendricks is not only a good blocker, he’s a good receiver.
But last year they kept him in to pass block. This had to do with obvious issues up and down the OL. That means they did not use him as a receiver as much last year.
So “stats” tell you nothing about Kendricks and his value.
I think the Rams value him, I think Boras values him and pushed for him, and I think he will be worth the money. I don’t think any outsider would know or appreciate any of this.
March 11, 2015 at 9:07 am in reply to: reporters on the trade (Wagoner, Thomas, Clayton, King, & many more) #19960znModeratorGordon: Trade is brilliant move by the Rams
By Jeff Gordon
Rams coach Jeff Fisher and general manager Les Snead kept telling anyone and everyone that Sam Bradford was their quarterback.
They expressed their undying commitment to 2010’s first overall draft pick despite his unfortunate injury history. They reaffirmed their belief that Bradford could still be special.
Then they shipped him to Philadelphia for Eagles quarterback Nick Foles on Tuesday as the NFL’s free agent marketplace officially opened.
Some salesmen they are!
With one blockbuster move, Fisher and Snead upgraded their most critical position, freed up significant salary cap space, improved their lot in the next two NFL drafts and created an opportunity to contend again.
This trade was a brilliant stroke. So much for this lame duck franchise standing pat with its nucleus and subjecting us to a boring offseason.
The gears began grinding when Bradford’s camp refused to rework his salary of $13 million for this season. Understandably, the Rams invited him to find a mark, er, another team willing to pay that.
Bradford had already “earned” $65.1 million on the contract he signed one year before the new collective bargaining agreement put a restrictor plate on rookie earnings.
He has missed 25 of the past 32 games and 31 of a possible 80 games during his Rams career. Twice he has torn his ACL, requiring reconstructive surgery on his left knee.
In between those injuries and others he posted an 18-30-1 record as a starting quarterback. Inept coaches, offensive line breakdowns and itinerant unskilled labor at wide receiver contributed to his failure — but asking Bradford to take a cap-friendly deal for this season was reasonable.
That is the least he could do for the franchise, right? The man got Powerball money to post mediocre statistics and lose.
Bradford had a chance to make good on some of the team’s massive investment in 2015. He had an opportunity to guide a maturing offense with Tre Mason, Brian Quick, Tavon Austin and Stedman Bailey.
He had a chance to help lead the long-suffering Rams back into postseason play. With the San Francisco 49ers retooling, the opportunity was there.
Instead he prompted the team to trade him, ensuring him a honored place on the STL’s pantheon of NFL draft failure.
Sure, he won a lot more games than, say, Big Red catastrophe Steve Pisarkiewicz. The Zark played just 10 games over three seasons — going 2-2 in four starts — after the Cardinals drafted him from Mizzou 19th overall in 1977. But the Zark didn’t make $65.1 million while failing.
Sure, Bradford proved more useful and less arrest-prone than former Nebraska running back Lawrence Phillips. But the Rams were able to ditch L.P. before he did much damage here.
Bradford cast a five-year shadow over the franchise. There would be no happy ending for his star-crossed tenure.
Now he heads to Philadelphia, where many Eagles fans flew into a rage when they heard that their team won the bidding for Bradford.
With other teams showing interest, the Eagles stepped up to reunite Bradford with his first offensive coordinator, Pat Shurmur. Not only did the team spend Foles, it moved back in the coming draft (sending a No. 4 to St. Louis and getting back a No. 5) and sent the Rams a second-round pick in 2016.
The only protection the Eagles got in this deal was a third-round pick in 2016 if Bradford gets hurt or a fourth-round pick next year if he doesn’t start.
That is an extraordinary price to pay for a battered athlete. It creates great expectations for Bradford, a genuinely nice guy who will suffer some seriously hard times in a tough town if he doesn’t win.
But, hey, be careful what you wish for, right?
Meanwhile, Foles welcomes a fresh opportunity with the Rams. The man went 14-4 as a starter under coach Chip Kelly and still got jettisoned — along with the other top skilled guys Kelly inherited.
These machinations have puzzled the entire league. Kelly is going mad scientist on his franchise.
Foles will never throw 27 touchdown passes against just two interceptions again, as he did in 2013. That was a classic outlier performance, an everything-went-right campaign in a go-go scheme with teammates making plays left and right.
Some NFL experts really like Foles, while others believe he can’t measure up to Bradford. But he will earn a fraction of the money (a mere $1.7 million in his final contract year) while presenting much less injury risk.
And let us not forget that the 2015 Rams are built on dominating defense, a strong running game and lots of play-action passes to the tight ends. Tuesday’s re-signing of free agent Lance Kendricks underscored that.
Once upon a time Air Coryell served St. Louis. Right now the Fisher Bus Company is operating the offense.
With the money saved at quarterback Fisher and Snead can invest more in the offensive line and fill other needs. Suddenly they have major cap flexibility. Suddenly they could jump into the crazy marketplace bidding.
Just like the Rams got a whole lot more interesting … for another nine months, anyway.
March 10, 2015 at 11:05 pm in reply to: reporters on the trade (Wagoner, Thomas, Clayton, King, & many more) #19925znModeratorEarly returns: Rams come out on top of Bradford trade
By Nick Wagoner
EARTH CITY, Mo. — Despite countless insistences to the contrary, the St. Louis Rams are finally moving on from quarterback Sam Bradford.
The Rams confirmed Tuesday that they are sending Bradford to the Philadelphia Eagles in exchange for quarterback Nick Foles, with additional draft choice compensation involved. The move means the days of “make or break” years for Bradford in St. Louis have mercifully ended and fresh starts for all parties can be had.
Throughout coach Jeff Fisher’s three years in St. Louis, the Rams seemed to remain devoted to Bradford’s potential as a franchise quarterback. On multiple occasions, Fisher said Bradford was one of the two primary reasons he took the St. Louis job in the first place. That affection never materialized into much on the field; Bradford missed the past 25 games because of two torn anterior cruciate ligaments in his left knee and played in just 49 of a possible 80 games in five years in St. Louis.
Despite those ailments, the Rams appeared to again be committed to him for 2015. As it turned out, Fisher’s and general manager Les Snead’s repeated claims that “deleting” Bradford wasn’t the solution and that Bradford played a large role in the hirings of Frank Cignetti as offensive coordinator and Chris Weinke as quarterbacks coach turned out to extend only so far as the best trade offer they could retrieve.
At last month’s NFL scouting combine, both Fisher and Snead denied that they had allowed Bradford the chance to seek a trade.
“I was surprised to hear that — not surprised — but no, that’s inaccurate,” Fisher said then. “We talked about what our plans are for him.”
Snead echoed those sentiments.
“I did say deleting him is not our answer,” Snead said. “I don’t know that that [trading him] solves our riddle. … He’s a good player. If some team was interested I certainly don’t blame them. But I’ll stick to what I said earlier, deleting him is not the answer.”
At nearly every turn, Fisher and Snead offered similarly blatant misdirection. But they did so as a means to an end — that being doing what they could to drive up the price for Bradford in the event that some team wanted to make a deal, while at the same time maintaining their relationship with Bradford.
In the meantime, Tom Condon, Bradford’s agent, was apparently refusing to discuss the parameters of a pay cut from Bradford’s $16.58 million 2015 cap hit. As that issue simmered on the back burner, the Eagles and Chip Kelly apparently began making it clear that they wanted to make a move for Bradford.
All along, the Rams didn’t seem that interested in trading Bradford, with the important caveat that they might if the right offer came along. As the process moved on, Philadelphia apparently sweetened the pot to finally reach something with which the Rams felt comfortable. That something included Foles, a 2015 fourth-round pick and a 2016 second-round selection, not to mention a net savings of about $11,443,000 when subtracting Foles’ 2015 cap number from Bradford’s.
Make no mistake, Foles has plenty to prove in his new digs, not least of which includes proving that he can perform in an offense outside of Kelly’s control. But a new start certainly won’t hurt in those endeavors and the Rams figure to make moves to help him along the way.
Considering that Foles comes as a younger, cheaper, healthier (though he’s had health issues) option, the Rams netted valuable future picks that could potentially provide a quarterback if Foles doesn’t work out, and they got some much-needed cap space to improve other areas, it’s hard not to see this as a win for the Rams.
Of course, declaring trade winners now means a whole lot of nothing in the grand scheme of things. What happens on the field in 2015 and beyond will give us a more tangible victor.
But as a team that hasn’t had a whole lot of wins on the field or in the free-agent market in the past decade-plus, the Rams will take any victory they can get, even a premature one.
March 10, 2015 at 11:02 pm in reply to: reporters on the trade (Wagoner, Thomas, Clayton, King, & many more) #19923znModeratorVID: John Clayton breaks down why the Eagles decided to trade QB Nick Foles to the Rams for QB Sam Bradford.
znModeratorYou know another thing?
There are three major offensive systems in the NFL, and Bradford had been in all 3.
They just found about the only possible way there was to put him in a 4th system.
Meanwhile this is Foles’s 3rd system in 4 years.
March 10, 2015 at 9:35 pm in reply to: reporters on the trade (Wagoner, Thomas, Clayton, King, & many more) #19915znModeratorRams finalize Bradford trade to Philly
By Jim Thomas
With the trade terms finally cemented early Tuesday afternoon, quarterback Sam Bradford’s star-crossed five-year tenure in St. Louis came to an end.
After months of saying how much Bradford meant to the program going forward, the team reversed field and traded the former No. 1 overall pick to Philadelphia.
In exchange for Foles, the Eagles get Bradford and a fifth-round pick in this year’s draft. Besides Foles, the Rams get a fourth-rounder in 2015 and a second-rounder in 2016.
There are also a couple of potential conditional picks, depending on Bradford’s health and playing time this coming season. If Bradford plays less than 50 percent of the snaps next season for the Eagles, the Rams must send a fourth-round pick to Philadelphia in 2016. If Bradford misses the entire 2015 season, the Eagles get a third-rounder in ’16.
Fisher, who has twice denied in the past couple of months that the Rams were interested in trading for Foles, issued a statement on the trade:
“Sam was a leader on our team, in the locker room and on the field,” Fisher said. “He was a great teammate who was dealt some adversity but handled it all with grace and dignity.
“He represented himself as well as the organization in a first-class manner. I wish him nothing but the best throughout his career.”
And that was just the headliner in a hectic first day o agency. The Rams lost QB Shaun Hill to Minnesota, and closed in on a deal to retain tight end Lance Kendricks.
There also were reports that the team was trading a seventh-round pick in 2016 for Houston quarterback Case Keenum, who was with the Rams for part of the ’14 season.
But back to Bradford. Dating back to late January when the Foles trade rumors originally surfaced, Rams officials have consistently denied that there was anything to them. As recently as Monday afternoon, Fisher told the Post-Dispatch once again that there was nothing to the Foles rumors.
That obviously didn’t turn out to be the case.
With the trade finalized, the Rams will save just under $13 million in base salary, which Bradford was scheduled to receive this year.
Foles is due to make $1.522 million in 2015, which is the last year of his original rookie contract
In Minnesota, Hill agreed to a two-year, $6.5 million contract with Minnesota. Incentives can bump the overall value up to $7.5 million.
The Rams had shown strong interest in retaining Hill, and the feeling was mutual on Hill’s part. But Hill opted instead for the Vikings
Bradford, 27, missed the Rams’ last 25 regular-season games because of two knee operations.
Because of injuries, Bradford started only 49 of a possible 80 games during his five seasons with the Rams. His final year of college ball at Oklahoma also was wrecked by a shoulder injury.
Foles, 26, appeared in 28 games with 24 starts for the Eagles over the past three seasons. He opened the 2014 season as the starter and led the Eagles to a 5-2 record, including a 34-28 victory over the Rams. Foles started the eighth game but suffered a collarbone injury that shelved him for the remainder of the season.[/quote]
znModeratorAnother factor? Remember who the Eagles offensive coordinator is. Shurmur.
March 10, 2015 at 8:27 pm in reply to: reporters on the trade (Wagoner, Thomas, Clayton, King, & many more) #19900znModeratorPeter King @SI_PeterKing
Just got told, “Chip came hard after Bradford. That’s why this happened.” So there’s that.Peter King @SI_PeterKing
There were other teams, multiple, involved in the chase for Bradford.znModeratorJim Thomas @jthom1 ·
Eagles get Bradford, a 5th-round pick from St. L this year, in exchange for Foles, a 4th-rounder this year, & 2nd-ronder in 16.Jim Thomas @jthom1 ·
If Bradford plays less than 50 percent, Eagles get a 4th-rounder in ‘6; if Bradford misses entire ’15 season, Eagles get 3rd-rounder in ’16.Jim Thomas @jthom1 ·
Those are the only, repeating the only, conditional picks.znModeratorNick Wagoner @nwagoner
Kroenke via release: “Throughout his five years with the Rams, Sam has been a consummate professional. …” (1 of 2)Nick Wagoner @nwagoner
Kroenke: “We thank Sam for his dedication to our team and community and wish him and his family the best moving forward.” (2 of 2)March 10, 2015 at 7:54 pm in reply to: Vikings may bring back Shaun Hill/ now is: vikes do bring back Hill #19887znModeratorNate Latsch retweeted
Ross Jones @RossJonesFOXVikings sign QB Shaun Hill, per source.
znModeratorhe does have to stay on the field,
Well. He just found another excuse not to be on the field for the Rams.
znModeratorSo I am basically gone all day, and here’s what you guys do to the board.
Trade the starting quarterback.
What would you do if I were gone for a week? Move the team to another city?
March 10, 2015 at 8:24 am in reply to: 49ers zeroing in on Torrey Smith & other doings around the league #19753znModeratorI see lots of reports saying, Iupati to Arizona.
I guess they basically traded him for Dockett.
znModeratorGreg Arias @TNFBExaminer
Being told by league source that while Titans are in on trade talks with Philly for Foles, Rams are more likely to make the deal right now
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It’s true that from 2013 and 2014, the Eagles went from 27th in passing attempts to 5th.
2013 = 31.7 attempts per game, across 16 games that would have the Eagles ranked 25th in attempts.
2014 = 38.875 attempts per game, across 16 games that would have the Eagles ranked 5th in attempts.
The difference in his other numbers between 2013 and 2014 is very dramatic.
One consideration. The Eagles OL was stellar in 2013, and beat up and not as good in 2014.
znModeratorYeah, no offense to u zn but I’m about tired of the excuses. He either proves he can stay healthy and put up big numbers this season or he will be a backup the rest of his career. How ever long that may be.
I don’t consider them excuses. But he does have to stay on the field, we agree about that. In terms of playing well…my own view is that he has already done that.
znModeratorAs a pie eater with internet access I was grievously insulted to be thrown in with creeps and fascists. Just kidding. Welcome back.
Now now. The man made a sincere apology, which I respect. Let’s not kid him on it.
Or. No more pie.
znModeratorWell if the Rams sign an offensive lineman in free agency, I hope it is someone who has been injured a lot.
That way, he would already be used to it.
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znModeratorRams release Jake Long, Scott Wells
By Jim Thomas
On the eve of the official beginning of the free agency period, the Rams cut ties with two-fifths of their starting offensive line from last season, releasing offensive tackle Jake Long and center Scott Wells.
The move frees up $12.5 million in salary cap, meaning the Rams enter the free agency period with about $16 million in cap space — sufficient room to do some maneuvering on the market.
“Jake and Scott brought experience and professionalism to our program and we appreciate that commitment and hard work,” coach Jeff Fisher said. “Both of them overcame injury difficulties and provided leadership for our younger players. We look forward to seeing what the future holds for both of them.”
A pair of looming deadlines made cutting both offensive linemen all but a foregone conclusion this week.
Long, a four-time Pro Bowler, was due a base salary of $9.25 million with $4 million of it guaranteed if he was on the roster the fifth day of the league year — March 14.
In the case of Wells, he was due a $1 million roster bonus on the third day of the league year, or March 12.
The league year, the first day contracts with unrestricted free agents and trades can be finalized, begins Tuesday at 3 p.m.
Releasing Long, who would’ve counted $10.5 million against the cap this season, saves the team $8 million.
Releasing Wells, who would’ve counted $5.5 million against the cap this season, saves the team $4.5 million.
Long spent two seasons with the Rams, but suffered knee injuries at the end of the 2013 season (in Game 15 against Tampa), and in the middle of last season (Game 7 at Kansas City) that required surgery.
All told Long, 29, appeared in only 22 of a possible 32 games with the Rams. At the end of the 2014, Fisher said plans were to have Greg Robinson as his starting left tackle in 2015. That meant Long would’ve been asked to shift to right tackle or even guard had he stayed.
Wells, 34, played in all 16 games last season, playing the final nine games with an elbow brace on his right (or snapping) arm. But he missed 13 games in the previous two seasons — 2012 and 2013 — with a variety of injuries.
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By Nick Wagoner
http://espn.go.com/blog/st-louis-rams/post/_/id/16841/releasing-long-wells-makes-rams-ol-needs-clear
EARTH CITY, Mo. — The St. Louis Rams made a pair of unsurprising moves Monday when they released offensive tackle Jake Long and center Scott Wells.
The fact that the cuts save the Rams about $12 million in salary-cap space offered reason enough to make the moves, but that Long and Wells had not been able to stay healthy enough to perform up to the lofty contracts the Rams once gave them in free agency should leave no doubt.
There’s no need to go deep diving into the perils of signing big-ticket free agents. It’s been pretty clear that the team that spends the most is rarely the one that wins the most.
The Rams signed Wells and Long at a time when they were attempting to rebuild a barren roster. Neither signing worked out and should serve as an obvious warning sign as to why the Rams have not actively pursued bidding wars for high-priced free agents like center Rodney Hudson and guard Orlando Franklin.
What’s more concerning for the Rams is that by parting ways with Long and Wells they are continuing a seemingly endless cycle of searching for answers on the offensive line. It’s been a process that’s ongoing with little in the way of stability. Long and Wells join the likes of Jacob Bell and Jason Brown as high-priced free-agent offensive linemen that didn’t work out despite many dollars going their way.
In a combined five seasons with the team, Wells and Long played 57 games with the Rams shelling out nearly $37 million in exchange. Now, the Rams find themselves with the cap space to make a move or two on the offensive line but face the same situation repeating itself.
With Long and Wells gone and guard Davin Joseph and right tackle Joe Barksdale headed for unrestricted free agency, the Rams have three openings for starters along the offensive line. On the eve of free agency, only left tackle Greg Robinson and guard Rodger Saffold can safely be penciled into the starting lineup.
Finding three starters from outside the building in one offseason figures to be an arduous task, especially considering the Rams don’t have as much cap space as others and currently have just five picks in the NFL draft.
At least at center the Rams do have some in-house options, though they are wholly unproven. The team did not tender restricted free agent Tim Barnes, though he could come back at a lesser rate later. They also have 2013 fourth-round draft pick Barrett Jones and 2014 seventh-round selection Demetrius Rhaney.
Jones has been an enigma who has dealt with multiple injury issues since arriving in St. Louis, appearing mostly on special teams in 10 games over two seasons. Rhaney spent last season on injured reserve with a knee injury but Rams coach Jeff Fisher has spoken highly of his potential.
As for outside options, free agency doesn’t figure to offer many. Oakland’s Stefen Wisniewski looks like a possible fit though as of Sunday the Rams had not expressed interest in him. That doesn’t mean they won’t or haven’t in the time since, especially with the job now open.
The situation at tackle and the other guard spot doesn’t offer even as much as Jones and Rhaney at center in terms of possible replacements. Short of a major surprise before Tuesday, Robinson will be the only true tackle on the roster, though the Rams did tender exclusive rights free agent Brandon Washington, who is believed to be a better fit at guard.
To this point, the Rams have not been linked to any free-agent alternatives and though they would like to bring Barksdale back, it seems his market could go beyond what the Rams are willing to spend. The Rams could theoretically move Saffold outside to tackle but they believe he’s better at guard and that would only create another opening on the interior.
Barring an outside addition, tackle would then have to be considered the team’s top need entering the NFL draft.
With the expected return of Sam Bradford at quarterback, the thought of so much uncertainty on the offensive line can’t be a pleasant one for the Rams or their fans.
To get it fixed, they’ll have to hit some home runs either acquiring talent, developing it or some combination of the two. For the better part of the past decade, that’s apparently been too much to ask, which is why the Rams once again find themselves looking for help
March 9, 2015 at 8:26 pm in reply to: Eagles rumors: Sanchez, Foles, Mariota … including Foles to Rams #19735znModeratormaybe the main problem in philadelphia was the fit. maybe in a ball control offense where the qb isn’t asked to do as much will help foles.
i like it. he had a very promising sophomore season. followed by an average but disappointing third season. a little bit concerned by the injury last season but nothing that required reconstructive surgery. i think there’s a lot of potential there.
plus. big hands!!! haha!
It’s true that from 2013 and 2014, the Eagles went from 27th in passing attempts to 5th. How Foles fits into that will require a little math. Which I’ll do, but later.
March 9, 2015 at 2:37 pm in reply to: Eagles rumors: Sanchez, Foles, Mariota … including Foles to Rams #19720znModeratorBenjamin Allbright (@AllbrightNFL)
Can confirm #Rams have “upped their offer” for Foles from what they floated in January, do not know specifics of that offer or current one.———
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alyoshamucci
Foles threw up a lot of questionable balls both years and was bailed out by good receivers. He loses mechanics pretty often.
The fact that Sanchez came in and did his job pretty well means to me he was part of a system.
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moklerman
I don’t think he’s garbage but I don’t think he’s as good as his surprising 2013 campaign.
An unknown QB with some ability in a gimmick offense taking the league by surprise all culminated in really gaudy numbers for Foles. That, and everything bouncing his way that year. There were numerous times he made bad decisions or bad throws and not only did he not pay for the mistakes, they turned into positive plays. It was just one of those years.
Last year is probably closer to what the “real” Nick Foles plays like. Not horrible, borderline starting material but not a guy who’s going to carry an offense or excel with a poor system or no playmakers or injuries.
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jrry32
The point of acquiring Foles would be to keep Bradford. That would give us two QBs with season ending injuries last year. Hopefully, the pair of them could play a combined 16 games and then we could decide who we want to keep after the season.(because both are in the last year of their contract)
Foles has been a very turnover prone guy too aside from the 2013 season. In 2014, he turned it over 13 times in 8 games. In 2012 under Andy Reid, he turned it over 8 times in 7 games.
So you take the good with the bad…in Foles’s case, we’ll have to either trade down with Philly or give up a draft pick to get him but we keep Bradford. However, Foles or Bradford are going to have to get paid after the season if we want to keep them and it’s possible that neither are our QB of the future.
znModeratorSome Eagles fans on Foles
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He showed that he was an average QB in 2014. The 2013 season seemed to have been more of a case of a dominant O-Line and DeSean Jackson and the introduction of Chip Kelly’s offense. Teams have found film and can gameplan against it now.
Marc Trestman looked like a genius in 2013 too….
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I’ve watched all of his tape, and he’s Average…I think he CAN be a starter somewhere but not over some of these proven guys in the NFL
Just a brief snippet so i dont start a rant 2012: 7 games, 1,699 yards, 6 TDs, 5 INTs, 60.8 cmp % 2013: 13 games, 2,891 yards, 27 TDs, 2 INTs, 64 cmp % 2014: 8 games, 2,163 yards, 13 TDs, 10 INTs, 59.8 cmp %
Foles stat lines are very servicable especially with everyones favorite stat line for reference ever in 2013, but dissecting him for what he is will show you he has alarming issues, like the fact that despite 2013 he is not an Aaron Rodgers type who is careful with the ball, that is simply not him, theres a stat somewhere that has said he has started 59 games in both College and NFL and has thrown 50 INTs, let alone all of the dropped and swatted away INTs that should have been in his Pro Career, another flaw is his pocket pressence is average at best and people can blame it on the O line but Foles was not hurried THAT much more than he was in 2013
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Foles just played worse. His deep throws we’re off, he didn’t throw receivers open like the previous year and his awesome pump fakes were non-exsistant. He just played worse, it wasn’t all the changes around him.
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He isn’t a threat with his legs, at all. I don’t doubt in the least that he’s a good NFL quarterback but if the Eagles are all in on Chip then I think we have to lock down a dual threat QB to get the whole effect.
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I’ll start this off by saying: I’m a huge Foles fan. I think he’ll be a franchise QB in his time in the league, and last year he put the team on his back in multiple situations and is given no credit for it.
That being said: Chip has a very specific goal of what he wants this team to be, and that vision has Marcus Mariota at the QB spot. I didn’t think we would go after him, but the past two weeks has removed any doubt of that from my mind. We have Sanchez as a backup again who knows the system and Foles has enough tape to make him a very attractive pickup for any team with a QB need. He’s in the final year of his rookie contract so if we’re going to trade him it has to be now.
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March 9, 2015 at 1:23 pm in reply to: Eagles rumors: Sanchez, Foles, Mariota … including Foles to Rams #19710znModeratorBenjamin Allbright
@AllbrightNFL
Foles to Rams talk is legit.Benjamin Allbright @AllbrightNFL
Several teams in talks with Eagles about Foles, #Rams are considered “leading contender” per source.Greg Arias @TNFBExaminer 3m3 minutes ago
Being told by league source that while Titans are in on trade talks with Philly for Foles, Rams are more likely to make the deal right now.Is Nick Foles done with Eagles? Team soured on quarterback before the injury, sources say
November 04, 2014
Nick Foles’ immediate future with the Eagles is on hold after the quarterback suffered a broken collarbone Sunday in Houston.
According to people with knowledge of the Eagles’ plans, Foles’ long-term future was in doubt even before the injury.
Foles’ play during the first half of this 2014 season in stark contrast to his Pro Bowl season of 2013 has “soured” some in the organization, including general manager Howie Roseman, according to people familiar with the Eagles’ plans. The sources requested anonymity because they weren’t authorized to speak about the team’s personnel.
In 10 starts in 2013 Foles threw 27 touchdown passes to just two interceptions, completed 64 percent of his passes and had a league-high quarterback rating of 119.2. This season, in eight starts Foles has thrown 13 touchdown passes and 10 interceptions and has a quarterback rating of 81.9.
“I think Howie is looking at quarterbacks,” one of the sources told NJ Advance Media. “He’s kind of soured on Foles, and I don’t think he’s alone. The organization isn’t sold that he’s the guy going forward.”
Keep in mind the people who wanted Foles in that 2012 draft are no longer with the team, one is the head coach of the Kansas City Chiefs and the other is the offensive coordinator for the New York Jets.
As previously reported by NJ Advance Media, Roseman and his scouts preferred Michigan State’s Kirk Cousins over Foles during the 2012 draft, but Andy Reid, the Eagles’ head coach at the time — with the recommendation of offensive coordinator Marty Mornhinweg — insisted on Foles. Cousins went the next day to the Washington Redskins early in the fourth round.
Current Eagles head coach Chip Kelly has never said a bad thing about Foles and praised him back to his days at Arizona when Kelly’s Oregon teams played against him.
Kelly’s actions, however, speak louder than his words. One of the first moves Kelly made upon being hired as the Eagles coach in 2013 was to re-sign quarterback Mike Vick to a new deal. He then traded up in the fourth round of the ’13 draft to select quarterback Matt Barkley, of USC.
Tom Gamble, the Eagles’ vice president of player personnel, also has no connection to Foles. He was in San Francisco, as the 49ers pro personnel director, when the Eagles selected the quarterback.
Now, as Mark Sanchez is ready to take over and attempt to lead the Eagles to a NFC East title, and perhaps more, Foles’ future remains in limbo.
In his third year, Foles is eligible to have his contract re-done at the end of the season. He is currently scheduled to earn $620,000 in 2015.
“Let’s just say the way things were going, he wasn’t going to get a contract extension that’s for sure,” another person who had knowledge of the Eagles’ evaluation told NJ Advance Media before Foles’ injury. “Now, if he has a big second half, that could change.”
Foles isn’t going to have any kind of a second half. His injury will keep him out anywhere from six to eight weeks, with the higher end more likely. There are only eight weeks left in the season.
And you have to start to wonder how much is left in Foles’ career with the Eagles.
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March 9, 2015 at 1:15 pm in reply to: Eagles rumors: Sanchez, Foles, Mariota … including Foles to Rams #19709znModeratorBenjamin Allbright
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Foles to Rams talk is legit.Benjamin Allbright @AllbrightNFL
Several teams in talks with Eagles about Foles, #Rams are considered “leading contender” per source.Greg Arias @TNFBExaminer 3m3 minutes ago
Being told by league source that while Titans are in on trade talks with Philly for Foles, Rams are more likely to make the deal right now.znModeratorPatrick Willis, Justin Smith retiring from 49ers
Mike Florio
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/03/09/patrick-willis-justin-smith-retiring-from-49ers/
The San Francisco 49ers continue to see dramatic changes in a franchise only a year removed from three straight NFC title game appearances.
From coach Jim Harbaugh leaving (mutually or otherwise) to running back Frank Gore signing with the Eagles on Tuesday to the unexpected departure of receiver Michael Crabtree to the possible loss of guard Mike Iupati, the exodus of talented players continue.
The next two dominoes to fall will be linebacker Patrick Willis and defensive lineman Justin Smith.
Willis is the surprise that was referred to earlier today, and it’s a major one. Matt Maiocco of CSNBayArea.com reports Willis is strongly considering retirement. As PFT hears it, it’s a done deal, with the formal announcement coming Tuesday.
Per multiple league sources, Smith also is done — although that’s not a surprise. The 14-year veteran joined the 49ers as a free agent in 2008, and he had been in many respects the cornerstone of the defense.
Willis, a first-round pick in 2008 who turned 30 in January, is under contract through 2016. Smith is under contract through 2015. Their retirements could result in the partial repayment of bonus money they both previously received; whether that issue will be pursued will be up the to 49ers.
March 9, 2015 at 11:27 am in reply to: 49ers zeroing in on Torrey Smith & other doings around the league #19702znModeratorRaiders reach deal with Rodney Hudson
by Mike Wilkening on March 9, 2015
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/03/09/report-raiders-reach-deal-with-rodney-hudson/
The Raiders are spending big to lure away the top center in free agency from a division rival.
Oakland has reached a five-year, $44.5 million contract with Chiefs center Rodney Hudson, Jason La Canfora of CBS reported Monday morning.
The 25-year-old Hudson is PFT’s 23rd-ranked free agent.
For Oakland, the Hudson deal would be a nice victory after other presumed free agent targets have seemingly turned their attention elsewhere. For Kansas City, the loss of Hudson is a setback after striking a potential deal with wideout Jeremy Maclin Sunday night.
Hudson’s pending arrival in Oakland all but closes the door on center Stefen Wisniewski’s return to the club. Wisniewski, like Hudson, is in his prime, so he should be able to find a good job elsewhere.
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