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May 6, 2015 at 12:12 am in reply to: 101, 5/5 … Lillibridge; & Mike Silver on being in the Rams draft room #24174
znModeratorNFL Media’s Michael Silver on Rams’ war room
NFL Media’s Michael Silver explains the St. Louis Rams draft strategy during round two of the 2015 NFL Draft.
znModeratorTrue, but the notion that Unhealthy teams lose,
sometimes gets minimized. Maybe. Yes? No?I think there are some…and I encounter them…who do not accept the idea that if your OL isn’t at least RELATIVELY healthy, you can’t play.
There are some near exceptions, but circumstances always explain them.
But I think we all agree that if Foles can play, that he is the qb we hope, then we DON’T want him playing behind an extensively injured OL without a valid running threat.
Yet…precisely that has happened in the last 3 years.
The “no running threat” thing was just 4 games.
But the OL was an extensively injured mess (not relatively healthy, as in with just 1 or 2 replacements, but extensively injured) for a lot of long stretches there. The first 8 games of 2012, the last game of 2013, and pretty much, in different ways at different times, all of 2014.
What;’s the record in games where they have a relatively healthy OL AND a running threat, regardless of the qb? Unlike my previous calculus, which counted the qb, that’s 19 games. In those games their record is 10-8-1 (55%) even though in 8 of them Clemens is the qb. In the other 29 games, their record is 10-19 (34%), regardless of the qb.
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znModeratorHe now will have to face another challenge, but we are all here for him, and I believe he will be fine eventually. I thank you all for such great support and for being my friends.
This is good to hear.
But, I wonder. Did the divorce come because of the stress he was showing?
Or was the stress coming from something in the marriage that foreshadowed the divorce?
I don’t mean to pry, or anything like that. I just wonder if he was responding to a situation. Maybe that’s just me looking for an easy explanation.
Rick
znModeratorAgree? Disagree?
I agree.
Though, depends on the novel.
The novels I like the most are about psychologists.
May 5, 2015 at 8:40 pm in reply to: now that the dust has settled a bit, how do you feel about this draft? #24158znModeratorAs opposed to say, the Max-Q mentality
of Martz.Max Q: In aerospace engineering, the maximum dynamic pressure, often referred to as maximum Q or max Q, is the point at which aerodynamic stress on a vehicle in atmospheric flight is maximized. Wikipedia
Max Q stands for maximum dynamic pressure, on a launch vehicle during ascent. About 1 minute after launch, the loads on the shuttle are greatest, (MAX Q). This is when the shuttle is throttled down until it reaches the thinner part of the atmosphere. In the case of the Shuttle, it begins to build around 35 seconds after liftoff, as the vehicle accelerates through the sound barrier. The engines are throttled back to 65 percent power to slow the acceleration until the vehicle ascends into thinner atmosphere and the pressure on windscreens, nose cap and wing and tail leading edges drops. Subsequently, at around 65 seconds, the engines are throttled back up to 104 percent power, which is full throttle.
But I don’t think Martz understood it that way. I think it thought it meant something else.
Another quote:
Max Q, the NASA goal of having all systems performing at their highest levels simultaneously, may be an impossible dream for even an idealistic football coach.
So to Martz it just meant you perform at the peak of effectiveness regardless of the opponent.
I think it meant something different to NASA.
I think to NASA, it meant playing physical and taking what the defense gives you.
znModeratorfrom off the net
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FYI- Irrespective of what you hear them say post-draft, Flowers was their pick if he was still on the board at 10.
Bruce Allen & co messed them up when he took Sherff at 4 instead of Leonard Williams, which lead to the Giants picking Flowers instead of Sherff.
Don’t get me wrong, they love Gurley….and I happen to think there is a lot to love. As I’ve said for years it’s Coach’s team and this is what he does. It does makes you wonder what they would have done in the second round after drafting an instant starter at RT in round 1.
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May 5, 2015 at 7:20 pm in reply to: various podcasts, vids, & vid links… a lot of Snead, Gurley #24148znModeratorSnead dropped an Interesting little aside about Foles
at the end.I’m not sure that was about Foles so much. It seemed to be more about the new league rules limiting practice time and the amount of time coaches can work with players.
znModeratorTo me, running game or not, if the qb ain’t clutch, you don;t get that much.
The classic Oakland Raiders were a running team too, but, Kenny “The Carnivorous Reptile of the Suborder Serpentes” Stabler was clutch, and that was all the difference.
Me? I keep whoever is clutch. Even if he’s a klutz for the other 3 1/2 quarters.
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Sounds like you might have been a Jake Plummer fan
As it happens, no…I didn’t particularly like Plummer, though I know why you say that.
By the way, don’t know if you know this, but at the end of 2006, before the long national nightmare which saw the Rams set a record for OL injuries wrecked it all, Bulger had the highest comeback win percentage of any active qb. Not number of wins, but percentage of wins in that situation. I think it was like 2/3rds of the time he was in that situation, the Rams won.
znModeratorRamBill found this
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From: Elisabeth Meinecke @lismeinecke
Spoke with Ourlads Dan Shonka yesterday, and he says Sean Mannion reminds him “a lot of (Tom) Brady when Brady came out (of college).” Brady was in Shonka’s area when he was at the Eagles, so he did a lot of research on him, and graded him higher than he went in draft.
Shonka on Mannion: “He has one of the strongest arms in this draft, he’s very smart, he’s a four-year starter, he’s a three-year captain…he’s your classic NFL drop-back quarterback—he’s built like a Tom Brady or a Peyton Manning.Dan Shonka: Former scout w/Eagles,Redskins,Chiefs, Now GM/Scout for Ourlads’ NFL Scouting,NFL Team personnel consultant,USA Today Contributor
znModeratorfrom Greg Cosell’s draft review: Three teams whose drafts I really liked
St. Louis Rams
More of the same kind of thing…a “from.”
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from 5 picks I loved and 5 head-scratching picks from 2015 NFL Draft
By Charles Davis
NFL Media analystOn the heels of the 2015 NFL Draft, here’s a look at five picks that I loved and five that led me to raise an eyebrow as a bit of a head-scratcher.
5 picks I loved
Round 1, pick 10: RB Todd Gurley, St. Louis Rams: People obviously have mixed feelings about taking a running back early in the draft, especially one that is coming off of an ACL tear. However, I was very high on Gurley prior to his injury and remain so given that all the medical updates I’ve heard lead me to believe he’s still going to be a big-time player. The addition of Gurley allows head coach Jeff Fisher to play the style of offense he did in his heyday with the Tennessee Titans. Gurley can be Fisher’s Eddie George.
znModeratorfrom Greg Cosell’s draft review: Three teams whose drafts I really liked
St. Louis Rams
I liked the Rams draft more because they have a clear plan and stuck to it in the draft.
The Rams drafted with a specific purpose in mind. They want to be a power-running football team and play great defense behind that. Their entire draft followed that plan.
They drafted running back Todd Gurley (I thought he was a top-three prospect in the draft) and match him with Tre Mason, who I thought was the best back in last year’s class. So they’re set there. The selection of Gurley was clearly a pick where their plan and their draft board matched up. Their pick of quarterback Sean Mannion in the third round fits their plan; I think Mannion can only play in a system where the run game is the foundation relying heavily on play action. Then four of their first seven picks were offensive linemen who were all similar.
Rob Haverstein of Wisconsin might not have been a second-round pick on every team’s board, but he fits what the Rams want to do. He is a a road-grading right tackle in the run game. If that’s the style you’re going to play, then he’s your guy.
Jamon Brown, at 323 pounds, was a tackle at Louisville but he’ll play guard in the NFL. Iowa tackle Andrew Donnal, a 313-pound fourth-round pick, can play guard too. In the sixth round the Rams took Fresno State guard Cody Wichmann, who is not an athlete but a 315-pound mauler. He fits what they want to do.
The Rams told you in their draft how they want to play football. That’s why I don’t get into the criticisms like, “There were better players on the board!” Not to the Rams there weren’t; their picks fit the exact style they want to play.
znModeratorTodd McShay’s best picks
By Nick Wagoner
http://espn.go.com/blog/st-louis-rams/post/_/id/18255/morning-ram-blings-todd-mcshays-best-picks
EARTH CITY, Mo. — The St. Louis Rams selected nine players in this year’s NFL draft, and though it’s way too early to judge any of the lot, it’s never too early to offer an opinion on the player or players you think might help the team the most in the short and long term.
That’s exactly what ESPN NFL draft analyst Todd McShay has done with his “favorite” picks from the 2015 draft. Some teams had late-round choices drawing the most praise from McShay, while others had their best picks double as their first picks.
That was the case for the St. Louis Rams, as McShay liked their choice of running back Todd Gurley at No. 10 overall the most.
McShay believes that Gurley is one of the best overall talents in the draft and said some teams considered him one of the three or so best players in the class. That’s the same thinking the Rams had and the reason he was ranked near the top of their draft board.
May 5, 2015 at 1:04 am in reply to: reactions to Havenstein Pick … + conference call transcript #24099znModeratorfrom off the net
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Walters Draft gave the Rams a WTF Grade on Rob Havenstein…Walters said Havenstein looked horrible at the Senior Bowl.
I went to Youtube and watched all the Senior Bowl practices and highlights from the game… Good Golly Miss Molly! Havenstein was outstanding! (y)Oh, saw Rob setup too high on one practice rep, but besides that one rep, Rob owned every defensive lineman on every play. WTF is wrong with Walter’s Draft?
Then I watched the entire Wisconsin- Nebraska game. What did I see? Havenstein vs (Cowboys 2nd round pick) Randy Gregory. Oh yeah! I saw Badger RB Melvin Gordon set a NCAA single game rushing record! Havenstein punished Gregory! Gregory literally limped away like beaten, broken puppy.
Havenstein is very smart offensive lineman. Although other Badger linemen had multiple penalties, Rob never got called for a penalty. Havenstein carried out two player blocking assignments on multiple plays. I saw pancake blocks.
As long as the QB stayed in the pocket Havenstein didn’t allow pressures much less sacks. Havenstein plays with his head on a swivel, always looking for someone to hit. Havenstein is farm boy, football strong! I’m not worried about Rob’s bench press.
I expect Rob to be a stalwart, starting Right Tackle for the Rams for a decade or more! I got a feeling this guy is truly Ram Tough!
znModeratorCuz you can’t draft 53 guys in 3 years…
Math is hard.
IMO…they would already be there if not for injuries.
Imagine an offense like this, with each player listed playing at his best as a Ram. So, for example, Long was PFF’s 7th ranked OT in 2013. Wells played well in the 2nd half of 2012. Imagine them continuing as that.
Long Robinson Wells Saffold Havenstein … Cook, Kendricks … Quick, Britt, Bailey, Austin
Bradford
Gurley, Mason
znModerator2016 NFL Mock Draft: RB revolution could continue with Henry, Elliott
By Rob Rang | The Sports Xchange/CBSSports.comPrior to Todd Gurley and Melvin Gordon earning top 15 picks in the 2015 NFL Draft, many had speculated the franchise running backs was on his way to extinction.
While clubs may be less willing to build around one franchise back these days, the running game in general remains a focal point for every club. And given the smaller salaries rookies earn today, some believe there will be more backs drafted early in 2016 yet again.
Projecting what NFL teams will do is difficult enough to do days before the draft. So take this way-too-early mock draft as it’s intended — as a fun peek ahead to provide college and NFL fans an idea of what to watch this fall. For the sake of simplicity, I’ve elected to use the 2015 draft selection order for this projection.
1. Tampa Bay Buccaneers — Ohio State DE Joey Bosa: Despite off-field issues, and based on his on-field ability and the value of the position, quarterback Jameis Winston was the easy choice for the Bucs at No. 1 in 2015. A quarterback could leap Bosa, too, but in terms of talent, he’s the clear-cut top talent for the 2016 draft, demonstrating a combination of explosiveness and determination that reminds me of a young Justin Smith.
2. Tennessee Titans — Baylor DE Shawn Oakman: By drafting Marcus Mariota No. 2 overall and gambling on the upside of wideout Dorial Green-Beckham, general manager Ruston Webster clearly loves “tool-sy” players. Oakman’s length, power and athleticism scream future Pro Bowler.
3. Jacksonville Jaguars — Notre Dame OT Ronnie Stanley: The Jags are more stout at the point of attack now. But if they pick this early again it might be time to question if 2013 No. 2 overall pick Luke Joeckel can live up to his selection. Stanley, balanced and athletic, projects as a standout NFL left tackle.
4. Oakland Raiders — Florida CB Vernon Hargreaves III: Only the extraordinary talents step into the SEC and stick out immediately. Hargreaves, a true cover corner in the mold of ex-Gators star Joe Haden, has done just that.
5. Washington Redskins — Michigan State QB Connor Cook: Yes, Washington picked up Robert Griffin III’s fifth-year option but unless there is significant improvement from the 2012 No. 2 overall pick in Jay Gruden’s scheme, the club may consider a replacement. That holds especially true if Cook, the top-rated quarterback in the draft, is on the board.
6. New York Jets — UCLA OLB Myles Jack: Todd Bowles inherited a dominant defensive line, a unit reinforced by the selection of Leonard Williams. The linebacker corps needs help, though, and Jack is a superstar.
7. Chicago Bears — Georgia OLB Leonard Floyd: John Fox is a defensive wiz but the Bears could again struggle to generate pressure on the quarterback in 2015. Athletic, stronger than he looks and experienced in the 3-4 scheme, Floyd could be the perfect addition.
8. Atlanta Falcons — Oklahoma State DE Emmanuel Ogbah: Sure, the Falcons built up the pass rush with former Clemson stars Vic Beasley and Grady Jarrett, but more help is needed. Ogbah isn’t a household name … yet.
9. New York Giants — Virginia Tech CB Kendall Fuller: Even more gifted than (ex-Hokies teammate and 2014 first-rounder) older brother Kyle, Fuller has the athleticism and instincts to help the Giants defend talented passing attacks in the NFC East.
10. St. Louis Rams — Mississippi OT Laremy Tunsil: The Rams invested heavily on offensive linemen the past two seasons but may not be able to pass up on a balanced, athletic blind-side pass protector like Tunsil.
11. Minnesota Vikings — Alabama RB Derrick Henry: Should Adrian Peterson return to Minnesota and at his Hall of Fame level, perhaps the Vikings look elsewhere. Otherwise, Mike Zimmer could see Henry as the perfect back for Norv Turner’s run-heavy offense.
12. Cleveland Browns — Alabama DT A’Shawn Robinson: Cleveland addressed its 32nd-ranked run defense with massive run-stuffer Danny Shelton in the 2015 draft. Robinson is similarly built and like Shelton, athletic enough to slide outside to the five-tech defensive end role to eliminate any space in the run-heavy AFC North.
13. New Orleans Saints — Ole Miss DL Robert Nkemdiche: After paying surprisingly little attention to its defensive line in the 2015 draft, the Saints could see the highly touted and powerful NKendiche as the perfect plug-and-play option in Rob Ryan’s defense.
14. Miami Dolphins — Oklahoma OLB Eric Striker: Few clubs would be willing to pick an off-line-of-scrimmage linebacker but given the athleticism in Buffalo and New England, and the Dolphins’ need for improved play in the back seven, the aptly-named Striker might make sense.
15. San Francisco 49ers — Pittsburgh WR Tyler Boyd: With defensive-minded coach Jim Tomsula, the 49ers won’t turn into a pass-happy bunch. But surrounding Colin Kaepernick with weapons could be the key to competing in the NFC West. Boyd is a smooth athlete already dominating competition in much as did former Pitt star Larry Fitzgerald.
16. Houston Texans — Penn State QB Christian Hackenberg: Bill O’Brien recruited Hackenberg to Penn State and helped him star as a freshman. Hackenberg has talent, but didn’t progress as anticipated last season and needs a strong bounce-back campaign as a junior.
17. San Diego Chargers — Oregon DE DeForest Buckner: The Chargers closely scouted the defensive linemen in the 2015 draft and need to get help for Corey Liuget. Buckner didn’t get the attention of former teammate Arik Armstead but he’s similarly gifted, and already more consistent.
18. Kansas City Chiefs — Florida State S Jalen Ramsey: The Chiefs addressed a need at cornerback with Marcus Peters and Steven Nelson in the 2015 draft, but safety could be a need in ’16, given Eric Berry’s uncertain future. Ramsey has the athleticism and instincts scouts love but faces a challenge, as the Seminoles will replace both starting corners next season.
19. Buffalo Bills — Ohio State QB Cardale Jones: With only three starts under his belt, projecting Jones as a first-round pick may seem ridiculous. But the tools are undeniable, and Rex Ryan has never been one to follow conventional thinking especially with his clubs’ struggles at quarterback.
20. Philadelphia Eagles Southern Cal OL Max Tuerk: Recruited to play tackle and flashing first-round talent at center in 2014, Tuerk offers great versatility and athleticism — traits Chip Kelly requires on his O-linen.
21. Cincinnati Bengals — Ole Miss WR Laquon Treadwell: Cincinnati’s top four wide receivers are set to enter free agency after the 2015 season, including star A.J. Green. So the Bengals will be scout wideouts closely this fall. Treadwell has top 10 talent but must recover from a horrific leg injury which ended his sophomore season.
22. Pittsburgh Steelers — Southern Cal S Su’a Cravens: Few defenders warrant comparisons to ex-USC and Steelers great Troy Polamalu, but with his instincts, physicality and closing speed, Cravens is earning precisely that.
23. Detroit Lions — Michigan State DE Shilique Calhoun: Given the passing attacks in the NFC North, building the pass rush in Detroit makes sense and this local product likely would be a popular pick with fans, as well.
24. Arizona Cardinals — Missouri ILB Kentrell Brothers: Few clubs boast Arizona’s athleticism at linebacker, with Deone Bucannon and Daryl Washington. Brothers offers similar speed and with Washington coming off suspension, Arizona might be willing be looking for some security at the position.
25. Carolina Panthers — Baylor OT Spencer Drango: Clearly the Panthers anticipate Michael Oher will be able to lock down a starting role at tackle. But if he struggles to fulfill expectations (as was the case in Baltimore and Tennessee), reinforcements could be in order.
26. Baltimore Ravens — Michigan State OT Jack Conklin: Powerful, experienced and playing in a pro-ready scheme, Conklin makes sense for a club which consistently wins in the draft by sticking to the best-player-available approach.
27. Dallas Cowboys — Ohio State RB Ezekiel Elliott: If Darren McFadden is healthy, he could make Jerry Jones look like a genius for letting division rival Philadelphia reward DeMarco Murray after a breakout 2014. Anything other than a breakout season from McFadden could force the Cowboys to look to the draft for help. Elliott’s power and speed could be make him excellent fit.
28. Denver Broncos — Alabama TE O.J. Howard: While not the finished product his hype indicates, Howard’s size and athleticism would make a lot of sense in Gary Kubiak’s TE-heavy attack.
29. Indianapolis Colts — Florida DE Jonathan Bullard: Since they’re likely to light up the scoreboard on offense, the Colts will want to constantly upgrade their own pass rush. Bullard flashes the talent to join Shariff Floyd, Dominique Easley and Dante Fowler Jr. as Florida defensive linemen selected in the first round for the fourth consecutive year.
30. Green Bay Packers — Tennessee OLB/DE Curt Maggitt: The Volunteers were shut out of the 2015 NFL Draft for the first time since the Kennedy administration. If Maggitt (pronounced muh-JIT) is able to build off of last year’s breakout season (11 sacks), all will be well in Knoxville. His agility and acceleration could intrigue the Packers, who could use some youth off the edge.
31. Seattle Seahawks — Ohio State OT Taylor Decker: With left tackle Russell Okung entering the final year of his deal and the Seahawks likely forced to dedicate finances to re-signing Russell Wilson, offensive line could once again be a focus. Decker, a powerful run blocker, plays with the physicality and toughness the Seahawks love.
32. New England Patriots — Notre Dame WR Corey Robinson: Clearly, Tom Brady doesn’t need help at wide receiver to win but the Patriots could be intrigued with the size and athleticism of the latest Irish star pass-catcher, who choose the gridiron rather than the basketball court like his father, former NBA great David Robinson.
znModeratorSegment 4 – Jim Thomas 5.1.15
Jim Thomas & Joe Strauss 5.4.15
im Thomas of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch jonis the show, remembers Terri Garr use to be regular on the Letterman show, grades for the Rams draft, giving the Rams a C+, not sure who else the Rams can get from free agent to help offensive line, option of Joe Barksdale, trading with the Panthers was beneficial getting two lineman plus quarterback, wondering if Robert Havenstein could play immediately, picking QB Sean Mannion, seems to be more excitement from Northwest about the move, seems to be decent backup choice for Nick Foles, have to like Rams picking Bud Sasser, former Mizzou WR ought to compete with Chris Givens for roster spot, other picks that have some potential, wondering if Kenny Britt can be true #1 receiver, wondering about the Rams next move possibly making deal for offensive lineman, not much doing with the stadium situation, meetings around the corner involving the league in San FranciscoJT starts at 6:10
May 4, 2015 at 9:15 pm in reply to: various podcasts, vids, & vid links… a lot of Snead, Gurley #24072znModeratorRams General Manager Les Snead joins The Fast Lane to discuss the Rams 2015 Draft Class.
znModeratorIt’s of course ludicrously early, but…
position count:
CB
DB
LB
DT 1
DE 3OT 2
OG & OC 1
TE
QB 2
WR 1znModeratorGreg Cosell Talks Rams Draft–Executed Plan ‘Extremely Well”
NFL Films’ Greg Cosell has worked is one of the more knowledgeable men when it comes to the X’s and O’s of football. Cosell, who’s a regular guest on The Hollywood Casino Press Box during the football season, joined Frank Cusumano on Monday to give his thoughts on the Rams’ draft picks.
What’s your overall impression of how you think the Rams did in the draft?
“I think they did very well and I can only of course base that on my evaluation of the players. But I think ultimately…The Rams had a plan, and I think they executed that plan extremely well. They want to be a certain kind of team. And they drafted to be that kind of team.”
Thoughts on their No. 1 pick, Todd Gurley?
“I loved Gurley, I thought he was one of the three best prospects in this draft. I think you can make an argument he’s a combination of Steven Jackson and Marshawn Lynch with more long speed.”
With Gurley coming off knee surgery, is he worth the wait even if he’s not at 100 percent this year?
“Absolutely. They have another really good back. I’m a big fan of Tre Mason, he was my No. 1 back coming out last year. Gurley is a better back than Tre Mason, but they have Tre Mason. Now, for an offense that wants to build around the run game, they will have two quality, quality backs with Gurley having a chance to be special.”
What do you think about the Rams’ second-round choce, OT Rob Havenstein?
“Havenstein was one of my favorite players in this draft based on film study. He is a guy born to play right tackle. When I finished studying him, to be honest with you, I said he’s going to play in the league as a 10-year starter. I think Havenstein is a really, really good prospect. He’s a little more athletic than you think. He doesn’t have necessarily…left-tackle traits. But he’s a really good right tackle. He’s a better prospect than (former Wisconsin right tackle) Ricky Wagner, and Wagner started at right tackle for Balimore.”
And what are your thoughts on third round choice, OT Jamon Brown?
“I think he projects as a guard. He likely transitions to the NFL as a guard prospect with his size and massive frame. Theoretically he could play right tackle as well, but Havenstein is a much better prospect at right tackle. Brown to me is more of a mauler than a quick-footed athlete, so he doesn’t have the traits you’d look for in an offensive tackle prospect. He’s a confined space player, and that makes him a guard.”
What do you think about third-round pick, quarterback Sean Mannion?
“I think (the Rams) like Mannion because of the way they want to play. Mannion is a complement. If Mannion reaches his NFL potential, he’s Matt Schaub when Matt Schaub was in Houston. A guy who can execute the offense that features the run game as its foundation and works off the playaction pass game. He may never get there, but that’s what he could be. Obviously the Rams believe he has that ability within the context of their offense. And that’s the way they’re building their offense. This is a running team. Everything is going to start with the run game.
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znModeratorI screwed up. Wichmann is 69.
I will change it via edit, thanks for the alert.
znModeratorGurley = 30.
McCutcheon’s old number.
McCutcheon still works for the Rams, of course, in personnel. Bet he’s proud.
znModeratorSome of you may be aware that Rich (Thordaddy) was battling cancer the past year or so; and while he was optimistic that his latest treatment was successful, I’m saddened to say that he lost the war this morning.
I am sorry to hear that. My sincere condolences to his family and friends. Thanks for posting this.
May 4, 2015 at 7:27 pm in reply to: Rams still interested in OT Joe Barksdale, but where does he fit? #24051znModeratorI would rather have Barksdale than not.
Just the experience factor alone.
Plus to me he played well when he wasn’t the only uninjured competent veteran on the OL. He fell off when the 4 others, for different reasons, couldn’t hold up. That suggests to me that he would be fine as long as at least 2 of the others are fine.
znModeratorso they could offer him say…..3 million a year, if they wanted to?
No. The CBA sets a limit on how much a team can spend on undrafted free agents. He is now an undrafted free agent. What he can and will be offered is peanuts.
znModeratorreally have a hard time even
listening to Frank CusomanoYeah I know, and you can hear Cosell basically just tolerating him.
znModeratorWhat do you mean “based on the CBA”. What kind of limitations are we talking about here?
The league sets a limit on how much teams can spend on undrafted FAs every year. I actually think it might be less that $100,000. That means that, in year one anyway, he will have to settle for next to nothing. Of course after this year he could end up getting a big-time FA contract.
znModeratorRams will wait and see on La’el Collins
By Nick Wagoner
http://espn.go.com/blog/st-louis-rams/post/_/id/18236/rams-will-wait-and-see-on-lael-collins
EARTH CITY, Mo. — As each round passed and LSU offensive lineman La’el Collins remained on the board, many fans of the St. Louis Rams began clamoring for the team to take a chance on him in hopes that he could become a bargain pick in the later rounds.
But according to Rams coach Jeff Fisher and general manager Les Snead, that was never an option.
“That’s correct and I think most people did it,” Fisher said. “Extraordinary circumstances. They’re very, very difficult and we just have to wait now for the legal process to work itself out.”
Not just most people, but all people in the NFL chose the same approach. Once projected as a first-round pick and a potential target for the Rams in that round, Collins went unchosen over the draft’s three days.
Collins indeed finds himself in extraordinary circumstances, the type of which have rarely been seen before in the draft, especially in the hours just before its start. According to reports from ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter, Collins attempted to pull out of this year’s draft after it was revealed that police in Louisiana wanted to speak to him about the shooting death of a pregnant woman in Baton Rouge.
The woman was believed to be a former girlfriend of Collins’ and was pregnant at the time of her death. The child was born but later died, police said Friday. Earlier in the week, the police said Collins is not believed to be a suspect in the woman’s death but they still wanted to speak to him.
With so many unanswered questions, Collins had hoped he could pull out of the draft and enter this summer’s supplemental draft. The NFL turned down that application and Collins attempted to regain control of his situation by saying that he wouldn’t sign with any team that drafted him later than the second day (Rounds 2 and 3) and would re-enter the draft in 2016.
All 32 teams passed on Collins in the first three rounds and followed by doing the same in Rounds 4 through 7. Under NFL rules, because he went undrafted this year, he cannot re-enter the 2016 draft, leaving Collins as a free agent.
Collins’ case is rare because it happened so close to the draft, and because it’s an ongoing investigation, there was no way for teams to have access to all the facts. That fear of the unknown led to every team passing on Collins. However, if the facts come out and Collins is cleared of any wrongdoing to the satisfaction of teams, there’s little doubt he will become one of the most sought-after undrafted free agents the league has ever seen.
For the Rams, the idea of adding Collins as an undrafted free agent has to be appealing considering his talent and what the cost would be. The same can probably be said of 31 other teams. Even though the Rams added four offensive linemen in the draft, Collins was rated higher than all of them.
Now that the draft is over, Collins and his representatives plan to wait to see how things play out before signing with a team. At this point, there’s no reason for a team to take an approach any different from the one Collins plans to take.
“I think across the board I think everybody had interest in him because he was a good college football player, but I think now we just have to let things unfold and see what happens,” Fisher said. “It’s very, very unfortunate, whether he was involved or not in the incident. Unfortunately, it’s one of those things that happened that’s very, very unfortunate.”
When Collins’ situation gains more clarity, so too will his future.
May 4, 2015 at 2:40 pm in reply to: various podcasts, vids, & vid links… a lot of Snead, Gurley #23992znModeratorRambill’s link didn’t work for me. It turns out there are 2 Snead videos
Thanks for checking that
znModeratorCosell… Rams did well, they had a plan and executed it well.
Gurley one of 3 best players in the draft…combination of Lynch and SJ, with more long speed than either
He is worth the wait even if the knee delays him. Quote: “Absolutely.” & Mason was his #1 back coming out last year. They will have “2 quality quality backs, with Gurley having a chance to be special.”
Havenstein: one of his favorite players in this draft, born to play right tackle, will play in the league 10 years, really really good prospect. He’s a little more athletic than you think, he doesn’t have left tackle traits,but he’s a REALLY good right tackle, … he’s a better prospect than Ricky Wagner (who also came out of Wisconsin).
Brown: he’s a guard.
Mannion: he thinks they like Mannion cause of the way they want to play. Mannion is a complementary guy. He’s Matt Schaub (at Schaub’s best presumably). A guy who can execute an offense that features the run game as the foundation and works off the play-action pass game.
Is it a passing league? That could change a bit because you’re not getting qbs in the NFL who can execute at that level.
Donal is a guard, needs an NFL weight room.
Sasser is intriguing….long, lanky, fluid, good catcher.
Rams WRs a work in progress…and they know that. If they can run effectively you will get a lot of predictable fronts to throw on.
Foles can be an efficient/effective qb in that context.
thinks they probably feel pretty good about their roster. Tremendous front 7, corner might need tinkering, they need more development than adding players.
Rams: physicality, speed. Can line up with anyone.
May 4, 2015 at 2:09 pm in reply to: various podcasts, vids, & vid links… a lot of Snead, Gurley #23984znModeratorLes Snead talks Rams’ 2015 draft picks, Michael Sam
PFT Live: Rams general manager Les Snead joins Mike Florio to discuss third-round pick Sean Mannion, rebuilding the offensive line and Michael Sam’s future in football.
http://www.nbcsports.com/football/nfl/les-snead-talks-rams-2015-draft-picks-michael-sam?t=0
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