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znModeratormissed tackle…td
znModerator3rd string OL not a wonderous crew
znModeratorgood catch pettis
znModeratorwell that saints td wasn’t good
znModeratorbailey
znModeratorgood to be able to watch the rams again. even got a first drive touchdown!
Yeah that TD drive was good
August 8, 2014 at 5:31 pm in reply to: Kellen Clemens looked very good for Chargers last night #3600znModeratorHe Isaiah, he threw the ball well enough to damn near beat the Seahawks on a Monday night game if it wasn’t for Janoris Jenkins swallowing his adams apple against Golden Tate.
He threw it well enough that they should have won at least 8 ball games.
Maybe you should open your eyes?
Grits
And we can thank Schott for that, Grits, because he set Clemens in the best position he could, given what they had.
Clemens wasn’t beating Seattle on that MOnday night game. Stacy was plus the pass rush was doing that.
If you take Clemens avg. attempts per game and extrapolate it across 16 games, in 2013 he would have ranked 31st in the league.
If they thought he could throw, they would have let him throw.
I like Clemens on that final drive that game, the one that got them to the 6 (then they failed to score). But…last night is just not Clemens across time. In real games with the Jets and Rams, he has already shown what he is. He’s just not accurate past 15 or so yards. That’s been true of him for years. One play last night is not going to change that picture.
BUT! Having said all that, I wish him well. He played above himself last year I think. While he was the qb they upset 3 division winners. If he goes on and does well some more, good for him.
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znModeratorStanley is now a post-game guy for Rams broadcasts.
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znModeratorBowman with a bum knee and Aldon out half the season…. some serious kinks in the SF D.
You;re there, on the scene. Our advanced patrol.
How is Justin Smith doing these days.
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znModeratorPrediction: Game will be somewhat boring but it is pre-season. Aren’t they all.
Grits
Yeah, as a game, it will be dull. I expect the wife to be asleep on the couch by 8:10.
But there are so many players we get to see! More than usual. Joyner, Donald, Ogletree (how much better?), Westbrooks, Sam, Conrath, Carrington, Robinson, Joseph, all the TEs (better?), Hill, Gilbert, Quick (better?), Bailey and Austin (better?), Mason…etc.
One pre-season game won’t answer all those questions but it’s like a buffet of interesting bits to watch for.
Join the game day thread here, GRITS. It’s always lively.
August 8, 2014 at 11:01 am in reply to: Kellen Clemens looked very good for Chargers last night #3575znModeratorDisplayed a very strong arm and had a real pretty 70 yard bomb for a TD. Dan Fouts was very impressed with him.
I think the Rams are going to miss Clemens. Not sure that Hill is an upgrade.Grits
BTW: Chargers are loaded with skilled players like you wouldn’t believe. They have re-tooled nicely and I think they give Denver all they can handle this year in the AFC West.
I promise you, on that one pass it was timing plus playing the Dallas secondary plus it just being the pre-season with no special gameplanning for the qb. Clemens does not have a strong arm. That was known going back to the Jets. If you put together years of their work, Hill is a clear upgrade over Clemens. One pre-season game notwithstanding.
Once teams last year figured out you can stack up against the run and dare Clemens to beat you passing, it was rough sledding.
I think Clemens played over his head with the Rams and was a good leader in a tough situation. He does have nice accuracy on 10-15 yard laser type passes. But last night is no indication of how a decent defense will play him after gameplanning him. THAT would be a completely different story.
Schott had to start Clemens at one point as the OC in New York. Believe me, the Rams know who he is and what he can and can’t do.
August 8, 2014 at 10:56 am in reply to: game Friday Aug 8….watch pre-season games on nfl.com for 19.99 #3572znModeratorbump
August 8, 2014 at 10:51 am in reply to: audio/articles set up Saints game: Thomas, Balzer, Wagoner, Miklasz, Siciliano #3567znModeratorWhat is the most important storyline heading into tomorrow’s game? NFL Network host Andrew Siciliano talks to Randy K. and D’Marco Farr.
znModeratorBottom line in Washington.
3rd in 2014
9th in 2005
30th in 2006The circumstances don’t matter, that’s a steep decline.
It has been that way essentially everyplace he’s been.
He has had several bottom third in the league defenses.
Oh and I was wrong, he’s had 7 different NFL jobs.
This is the way I look at everything: the circumstances always matter.
In 2007, the Washington defense was 8th. So they bounced back from a bad year in 2006. Similarly, in 2011 the Saints defense fell off when basically its DL collapsed for various reasons.The Washington press analyzed the 2006 collapse in detail. There’s a lot of info on it.
For anyone who’s interested:
znModeratorI read this and it was the worse analysis that I have seen of the Rams.It also shows that there are a lot of writers who just mail it in.
Yeah it;s a bad one. I doubt he even watched them last year, unless he’s one of the many who saw only the 1st 9ers game (which was nationally broadcast).
znModeratorzn, buddy you’re kidding right? How many jobs has Williams had, 6? He has worn out his welcome everyplace he’s been.
Check this out. Look at how his defenses have declined, its good early then fizzles out.
Its like Venturi says, he’s a “quick fix” guy, but nothing sustainable.
That is symptomatic of something, that something should be obvious.
He’s an arrogant prick, that wears on people.
I don’t agree that he can’t sustain. He had one bad year in Washington, and I read up on that one. The issue was personnel, which he was indirectly responsible for. Either way they bounced back the following year. That means they had a top defense 3 out of 4 years, and the 1 bad year I looked into–there was a ton written about it. New Orleans? It took a couple of years of personnel repairing plus getting over bountygate to get them playing decently. At one point, in 2011, the DL combined had fewer sacks than Quinn did himself last year. The Saints just never had players.
Venturi is simply wrong about him being a quick fix guy. The record does not demonstrate that. In fact Venturi has discussed Wms before and did not say that in his previous interviews.
There are plenty of arrogant pricks who wear on people in the NFL. If they can field good teams, they tend to stick around.
So we just see this one differently, which is par for the course with posters in general on a lot of different issues that are this controversial.
znModeratorDammit. You made me look.
LOL.
I know that they’d LOVE to keep 10 OL and 10 DL. The question is how?
Btw, if we keep 10 OL and 10 DL, those would be Sean Hooey and Matt Conrath.
Ask Ohio State…Christian Bryant is a SPECIAL player… the guy is a guy that just makes things happen and won’t last on the PS.
You may be right about 5 Safeties and it may be Conrath instead of Bryant and they may try to sneak Bryant onto the PS.
What kills me is that I can see several of the guys we try to put on our PS defensively not making it… which is gonna stink for making our PS…
Well to me it was 10 OL or 10 DL. That was partly based on the “who’s your best 53” model. Though…on the OL, they just might be injury conscious too.
Yes this is the year where we hear about Rams cuts being snapped up all over the league.
Some day, I swear, it will reach the point where they have to re-stock the PS anew every week. I swear, that’s coming. It’s on its way. Maybe teams will just give the Rams draft picks, figuring, well they can’t keep them all, so we’ll just wait and see which Boudreau/Waufle/Fassel guys they cut….
znModeratorInteresting. I only have 2 doubts. I don’t see them keeping 5 safeties; I also don’t see them keeping just 3 RBs. Also, while I don’t know who “the best 53” is, I can see them keeping either 10 OL or 10 DL.
Plus, why do you have that Brady Quinn guy on the DL. That’s a pretty drastic position change.
znModeratorNo, i’m not ambivalent: I can’t stand him.
I think he’s set up to be coach of the year though. Add this personnel to ‘any’ aggressive, experienced coach and i think he would have a top five defense. I would think.
Let me try a theory. I don’t know why this is, but, it seems more tolerable or less INtolerable to have a coach you can’t stand if they are the defensive coordinator.
It’s less tolerable if it’s the OC, and not tolerable at all if it’s the HC.
Personally, I think his experiences have whittled Wms down some and that he’s also in a position where they know him and he is less of an issue. I think both things are true. So to me all that’s left really is the brilliant coordinator, with the ego having been chipped down a bit.
znModeratorI wonder which coaches have been the biggest jackasses in NFL history? Al Davis? Buddy Ryan? Greg Williams? Harbaugh?
Truer words may not have ever been spoken… about Fisher AND now Williams…
THEY are now our sunsobitches…
Are you guys ambivalent about Williams?
Not that that’s an unlikely response to him.
Just curious to hear that view spelled out.
znModeratorA few days ago it was indicated by Fisher that the Rams would have a 7 man Defensive Line rotation this year. Quinn would be in on most defensive snaps and the other six would have about an equal number of snaps. Sorry, I do not remember exactly where I heard this. But it did get me thinking about the D line and what such a rotation might mean for Ethan Westbrooks and Michael Sam. If the Rams keep 9 defensive linemen and seven of them are in the rotation, that could leave room for both Westbrooks and Sam.
Quinn, C. Long, Brockers, Hayes, and Donald are certainly locks on a roster position. I would say Langford is also a lock barring a trade. That leaves Sims and Carrington fighting for the last member in the rotation of 7. Could it be that Carrington is fighting for a roster position with Westbrooks and Sam. And there could be a couple of others in the mix. Just a thought.
IMO, I think the top 7 actives include the obvious starting 4 and Sims, Hayes, and Donald. That is, I think Sims is a lock…though anything can happen. The active 7 could change by the game, though the obvious top 4 are clearly set. Right now I would not begin to guess who the 8th and 9th are…though your own guesses sound reasonable as any. I think it;s between Carrington, Conrath, Sam, and Westbrooks for 2 spots unless they keep 10.
They will be cutting someone who gets picked up right away this year, though, and maybe even plays this year for someone else.
Been awhile since things were like that.
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znModeratorMy own highlights
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The thing about Gregg Williams though is that the pressure could come from all over, be it blitzing linebackers, blitzing safeties, or Joyner coming off the slot.
is Joyner the real deal?
He certainly looks like it. Smart. Instinctive. Tough.There are plenty of players’ coaches in the league, but I do believe Fisher has to be in the top group. He is proactive when it comes to injuries. He has good sense for when players are dragging. He has toughness but yet has kind of a laid-back personality that players respond to.
Right now I’d say Westbrooks and TE Alex Bayer are the best looking rookie free agents.
If Westbrooks plays in games like he has during his first couple of practices, it will be tough to stash him on the practice squad.
Yes, I think the Rams win at home against Seattle and Tennessee (games 8 &9) if Sam’s around.
We keep hearing about SB’s arm strength is much better, is it very noticeable?
Yeah, I think it’s pretty noticeable. That was especially the case Saturday at the dome.I’ll say it again _ Fisher seems to like this club.
As to who’s the No. 2 RB behind Stacy, I’d kind of think Mason by pedigree, but I like Cunningham a lot.
How does Greg Robinson look at guard?
Pretty good. Powerful run blocker _ as advertised. I think he’s getting better on pass blocking.I can’t really speak for the other GMs in the league. But I think teams respect Bradford’s arm strength and potential. (I know, when does potential get realized?) Remember, it was Mike Shanahan who helped talk Jeff Fisher into taking the St. Louis job over Miami because of Bradford.
znModeratorznModeratorOne wonders if GW is so narcissistic
that he wears out his welcome after a
year or two.I dunno.
Maybe he’s changed some. Maybe Fisher
knows how to handle him.w
vI think he unquestionably is. IE egotistical. (Don’t know about wears out his welcome.) Anyway he has some Martz to him, I think.
But…now he’s OUR sunovabitch.
znModeratorI guess if Britt has a big
year, there will be a lot of teams
throwing a lot of money his way.w
vFrom Hunt for Red October
Captain Ramius: When he reached the New World, Cortez burned his ships. As a result his men were well motivated.August 7, 2014 at 1:17 pm in reply to: Packers game live (NFL net LIVE pre-season game schedule including 2 Rams games) #3494znModeratorI cant watch it Friday due to
previously-scheduled-commitments
and therefore, no-one else
is allowed to watch it,
either.I expect all of you
to go to church Friday night.
Or meditate in a sweat-lodge.
Or clean your ovens.w
vSo you knew about this game months in advance, yet you booked something else.
What can I say? As a REAL Rams fan, I just feel differently, is all.
Not judging. Just using the occasion to reflect on the difference between being an actual Rams fan, and (in contrast) being nothing at all…a mere random creature with no community or genuine connections or valid interests.
znModeratorWay to go, amigo.
The season ain’t the season without an Ag-posted roster chart.
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znModeratorI think that was the dark, hysterical, gossipy version.
You know the type. Like I say “Breakfast at Joe’s Diner wasn’t as good today for some reason.” And the guy I am talking to then writes a letter to the editor about how “the collapse of Joe’s diner leaves a gaping hole in the town’s restaurant industry, and forces us to ask, who or what CAN we trust?”
Like this.
Middle linebacker James Laurinaitis has evolved into a savvy vet, but there’s little evidence that he can carry a unit Ray Lewis-style. It’s disconcerting that, even with a domineering front four, the Rams last season were gouged repeatedly on the ground, especially by zone rushing attacks.
Not that he watched any games and diagnosed JL as an issue. He just jumps to bad inferences from misread stats. Fact is, after the first few games, the Rams run D improved to the point where it was game by game one of the best in the league. Someone who knew the team would know that.
August 7, 2014 at 1:38 am in reply to: Bernie: It's time to refocus expectations about Bradford #3459znModeratorYou know I agree with that. But you don’t need to go that deep into history for analogies. It doesn’t have to be Simms or Plunkett.
Not to dismiss those guys. Can you imagine how good the Robinson Rams would have been if they had Dickerson, that OL, the reasonably good 83-85 defense, and either Plunkett or Simms?
The obvious closer analogies are ones we keep citing–Flacco, Eli, Rivers, Wilson. Those are very different types of qbs, but all they can play well if their teams are running the ball effectively, playing good defense, and fielding reasonably healthy OLs. Put any single one of them on the 2013 Colts and I think that version of the Colts struggles. (In contrast, put Luck on the 2013 Seahawks and there’s probably dynasty talk.) But give them the right team conditions, and they help their teams win.
Rivers didn’t have all that stuff in 2012, and was being discounted by some. He got that stuff back in 2013 (except the defense) and now is ranked high by many. Eli and Flacco went through the reverse situation in 2013.
Those are all good qbs who can help a strong team win. I’ve been trying to say for a couple of years now, I think that’s what Bradford is. I never really bought the “next Manning” thing…I know a lot of people here didn’t.
Heck I said the same thing for years about Bulger and Bradford is probably already a better qb than Bulger was in his best years. Bulger had Bruce and Holt and Jackson, and then just Jackson, and then demolished offensive lines (the Rams OL history from 2007-2009 is kind of like the massacre at Cannae when Hannibal defeated the Romans…some have heard it mentioned, but not everyone really fully understands how genuinely horrific it was). Plus no defense.
I think I am preaching to the choir on this board, but, still, the point is I think, while I agree with Miklasz here, I wonder why he never thought of it before.
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