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znModeratorRams turn to Case Keenum to provide a spark, but it might not last long
Nick Wagoner
EARTH CITY, Mo. — St. Louis Rams coach Jeff Fisher named Case Keenum his new starting quarterback on Monday evening, sending Nick Foles to the bench just nine games into his tenure with the team.
Some takeaways from Fisher’s decision and what it means for the Rams at quarterback, in both the short and long term:
1. With his team at 4-5 and flailing in the NFC playoff chase, Fisher made the right move here. Let’s not get it confused: Foles wasn’t the only problem for the Rams’ offense. They need more production from the offensive line and all of their pass-catchers. But, as Fisher put it, this is an offense sorely in need of some sort of a spark. The Rams are 31st in the NFL in yards per game and last in passing yards per game. Foles simply didn’t look comfortable in the pocket and hadn’t showed signs of improving in the past four or five weeks.
2. Keenum probably isn’t a major upgrade, let alone a panacea for the offense. So what does he bring to the table that Foles doesn’t? Fisher mentioned Keenum’s mobility and ability to extend plays with his legs multiple times at Monday’s news conference. Foles rarely makes plays outside of the pocket and part of his lack of comfort in the pocket stemmed from the amount of pressure the offensive line has allowed. The offensive line was already struggling, and now has lost guard Jamon Brown and tackle Darrell Williams for the season. Having a quarterback who is more willing to stay in the pocket when pressure arrives and is capable of escaping that pressure to make plays when he leaves the pocket is probably a good idea, given the state of the offensive line.
3. Just because Keenum is the starter now doesn’t mean he will be permanently, or even for the rest of the season. When Austin Davis replaced an injured Shaun Hill last year, he went on to start eight games. Davis went 3-5 in those starts before the job went back to Hill. But Davis held the job that long because he played well in his first few starts. Davis’ fearless, frenetic style worked for a few weeks before he played better defenses with a better idea of how to stop him. In hindsight, the Rams probably should have kept closer tabs on Davis and gone back to Hill before the spark fizzled. That probably won’t happen again. Fisher said Monday that Keenum won’t have a short leash, but he also said that “Nick also understands that he eventually will be under center for us again.” My expectation is that Keenum will get a chance to give the Rams the spark Fisher seeks and his hook won’t come out for three or four weeks. But if Keenum struggles or is struggling after getting a few opportunities, Fisher will go back to Foles before Keenum gets the same number of starts Davis did in 2014.
4. The Rams liked Keenum enough that they traded a 2016 draft pick to reacquire him from the Houston Texans after the Texans signed him from the St. Louis practice squad late last season. Keenum impressed the Rams with his work ethic and mobility on the practice field and then earned even more respect for winning two games for Houston at the end of the year. Keenum threw for 435 yards with two touchdowns and two interceptions in those two victories, one of which came against the Rams’ opponent this week, the Baltimore Ravens.
5. This quarterback change should serve as yet another reminder that the Rams still don’t have their long-term quarterback solution on the roster. Yes, they signed Foles to an extension before he ever played a snap for them, but the Rams structured his deal so they can get out of it relatively easily without much of a cap hit after next year. Keenum will get a chance to state his case, but his previous 10 starts don’t offer much hope he can be more than a spot starter. Third-round rookie Sean Mannion hasn’t had many reps in practice as the team’s third quarterback and he doesn’t appear to be close to competing for the backup job yet, not to mention the starting job. The Rams’ decision to pass on quarterbacks repeatedly in the draft, especially when they had extra picks from their 2012 trade with Washington, has left them with a number of other teams in quarterback purgatory. Until that gets fixed with someone capable of playing even average football on a weekly basis, it’s going to be hard for the Rams to have the playoff breakthrough they seek.
znModeratorRapoport: Keenum named starting QB in St. Louis
NFL Media Insider Ian Rapoport reports St. Louis Rams quarterback Nick Foles has been officially benched, and Case Keenum will be the Rams’ new starting quarterback.
znModeratorhow exactly does keenum alleviate any of those problems fisher just mentioned?
my guess is fisher thinks that to take a step forward the rams need to take a step back first? let foles sit back and get evaluate?
he pretty much says that foles will be the starter again at some point which to me seems to mean that he doesn’t think keenum is the answer.
What I got out of what Fisher said is that Foles doesn’t get/know the offense yet.
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does that mean keenum does? what advantage does starting keenum offer if he doesn’t think keenum is the long-term starter? cuz he says foles will be back at some point or is that just lip service?
Keenum has taken more snaps under center in the pros, yeah. He also adds some mobility.
znModeratorfrom off the net
—CoachO
I am shocked that Fisher made the move. Not that I don’t think it needed to be made.
As far as Keenum….. He’s gonna make his share of mistakes as well. He is in the same mold as Austin Davis. He’s gonna force some throws into tight windows and I fear we may see more turnovers.
But what he will also provide is more mobility and a better idea of where to go with the ball.
IMO the biggest negative with Foles was his holding onto the ball way too long. I lost count just in yesterday’s game the number of sideline outs he tried to force across the hash marks. And every single one of them came out late. More often than not Foles simply throws the ball in an area and hopes for the best. I’ve yet to see him (with any consistency) hit receivers in stride or put the ball in a consistent place where the onus isn’t on the receiver to make a circus catch. Even on routine routes. I’ve been consistently voicing my concerns about him since training camp. And all the things I saw up close and personal that concerned me in training camp and he’s still doing the same things. Slow thru his reads and a tendency to become very jittery when his first read isn’t available. Add to it the absence of even looking to the middle of the field.
For me it’s all about his lack of command in this offense. Even on balls that end up as competitions his accuracy just isn’t there. How many throws to Quick and Welker were so far off target that they couldn’t even get a hand on it? Keenum will be MUCH BETTER in that area as well.
I was encouraged yesterday they actually tried to incorporate some slants and dig routes from Quick. Just Foles confirmed my suspicions. He can’t make those throws with any accuracy.
If they stick with those concepts Keenum will complete them more than not.
In terms of the play-action? The conventional train of thought is to utilize a play action passing attack off of the success of the running game. But as Minnesota showed last week, if they continue to blitz it eliminates the ability to play action. Lost count of the number of times Foles would follow thru with his play action fake and immediately be faced with pressure coming from the blitz.
Kinda concerning that a fourth year QB can’t see it coming pre snap and make the necessary adjustments.
This is the pure definition of a red-shirt year for Mannion. Mannion for all intents and purposes hasn’t taken a meaningful rep in practice since training camp. Foles has gotten the lion’s share of reps every week with the game plan. Keenum takes nearly all of the “scout team” reps to stay sharp. That laaves Mannion on the outside looking in. So unless and until they move him up on the depth chart, he’s unlikely to be given any consideration at all. But IMO. He should come into 2016 with a legitimate chance to compete for the job. It’s no coincidence in my mind that Foles was given a two year deal. Sean Mannion could very well be the guy moving forward.
Austin Davis’ issues weren’t experience. They were physical. He just didn’t have an NFL caliber arm. He can’t make the throws needed to be consistent. I’m not missing the pick 6’s from his game. Or the badly underthrown desperation throws downfield that were late.
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znModeratorhow exactly does keenum alleviate any of those problems fisher just mentioned?
my guess is fisher thinks that to take a step forward the rams need to take a step back first? let foles sit back and get evaluate?
he pretty much says that foles will be the starter again at some point which to me seems to mean that he doesn’t think keenum is the answer.
What I got out of what Fisher said is that Foles doesn’t get/know the offense yet.
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znModeratorhe just seems really late on the throws.
Fisher had interesting comments on all that:
Nick also understands that he eventually will be under center for us again.
But, he just needs to get more experience under his belt in this offense.
There were some routes that weren’t correctly run. There were some protection issues where he had pressure in his face. There were some opportunities where we had some people open when the ball should’ve been delivered on time and the ball should’ve been completed. Again, it’s not just yesterday. It’s over the last few weeks.
There was a few times when, had we been a little more patient and gone through the progression, the ball would’ve gone to the correct place and we may have extended some drives.
znModeratorPeople are disliking Fisher right now. Okay, that makes sense, sure. But this press conference is about as good as it gets at handling this situation.
Of course. They also have to win. So we;ll see on the carry through.
But just today, this one event, where he addresses the situation…IMO …you can’t ask for it to be any better.
znModeratorIan Rapoport @RapSheet
Based on initial tests, #Eagles QB Sam Bradford expected to miss this Sunday & potentially Thursday, I’m told. Expect Mark Sanchez to start.
znModeratorGordo: Rams’ giant step backward difficult to explain
Jeff GordonFor the first 2 minutes 59 seconds of clock time Sunday, the Rams looked playoff-ready.
They seemed prepared to beat the Chicago Bears, set aside last Sunday’s painful overtime loss at Minnesota, move back over .500 and climb into the NFC postseason picture.
“Everybody had an agreement that this was the start of the season, this was our chance to put our stamp on the season,” tight end Jared Cook said. “We’re at the halfway mark and it’s time to become a new team, it’s time to become a better team.”
They appeared energized by the large Edward Jones Dome turnout (58,653 tickets distributed, many to visiting Sons of Ditka). The stage seemed set for a huge victory, especially after the Rams raced to a quick 7-0 lead with a crisp first drive.
Instead, they reverted back to the same old Rams during a crushing 37-13 loss.
“We got outplayed, got outcoached,” Rams coach Jeff Fisher said. “We didn’t play well.”
That summed it up nicely in 10 words or less. This loss offered nightmarish flashbacks to Fisher’s previous seasons here. Errant passes, dropped passes, drive-killing offensive penalties and massive defensive breakdowns led the Rams down a familiar trail.
“It hurt,” defensive tackle Michael Brockers said. “Nobody likes to lose, especially this way and at home. It hurts.”
The game started with such promise. Quarterback Nick Foles opened the first series by rolling out on a misdirection passing play and hitting Cook, who rambled 29 yards.
One play later, running back Todd Gurley caught a pass from Foles and hurdled a defender on a spectacular 31-yard play. Then Gurley plowed through the Bears for 14 yards on two runs to advance the ball to the Chicago 6.
One player later, Gurley crashed into the end zone and the Rams led. Finally their offensive play script produced early results in a game.
“We came out, first drive, went down the field,” Cook said. “After that, it was just downhill, man. I don’t know. We’ve got to figure it out.”
Yes, they do. Gurley is a great running back, but defenses are sitting on him. He gained just 45 yards on 12 carries Sunday. And once the Rams fell behind the Bears by multiple scores, they had to abandon the run.
Foles was just awful, sailing many of this throws beyond his targets as if the footballs were filled with helium. He short-armed some other throws while restless Rams fans booed. He finished 17 for 36 for 200 yards, no touchdowns and one interception.
“I feel good,” Foles insisted after the game. “I feel good dropping back, throwing, reading defenses — I feel good about it.”
That makes one person who feels good about it. What happened to the Nick Foles who posted a 115.8 passer rating against Seattle and a 126.9 rating at Arizona?
Can somebody get THAT guy out to Rams Park on Monday?
“He’s a confident, competitive person,” Fisher said. “He thought, with seven minutes to go in the game, we were going to put two drives together and score.”
Again, that makes one person who believed. Foles seemed totally out of sorts, often throwing late and without much conviction. Fisher waved off questions about a quarterback change during his postgame media sessions, but those questions won’t go away.
Off course, Foles wasn’t the only offensive problem. Running back Tre Mason fumbled the ball away on his first carry. Receiver Tavon Austin dropped a potential third-down conversion pass over the middle. The mistakes just kept coming.
Second-year left tackle Greg Robinson earned three costly holding penalties, including one that erased an Austin touchdown run. Robinson is well into the second year of his NFL career and remains mistake-prone.
If he were a sixth-round pick, that might be understandable. But Robinson went second overall in the 2014 draft and he hasn’t come close to living up to that standard.
The offensive line took another big injury hit when rookie right guard Jamon Brown suffered a broken lower leg while trying to thwart an interception return. Also, rookie right tackle Rob Havenstein suffered a calf muscle strain in the game.
With veteran guard Rodger Saffold done for the season after shoulder surgery, the front wall will have a makeshift look going forward. That could make a sputtering offense even more inconsistent.
Like many, Cook is baffled by that offensive failure.
“When we have a good defense like we’ve got, man, there should be no reason why we shouldn’t be able to put up at least 20 to 24 points per game to keep us in the game,” Cook said. “Most of the time we haven’t been able to do that.”
Until this week the Rams defense has held up pretty well despite that lack of offensive support. But Sunday it suffered the sort of major mishaps that doomed previous Fisher teams.
This game turned when Bears quarterback Jay Cutler countered a Rams blitz with a quick pass to tight end Zach Miller, who cut back and raced 87 yards for the game-tying touchdown play.
Later, a simple screen pass sucked in the Rams and led to an 83-yard TD bolt for running back Jeremy Langford.
“We’re a good tackling defense but for whatever reason today, that didn’t show up,” middle linebacker James Laurinaitis said.
So much for the notion of starting a new and better season.
“Everybody still believes that,” Cook said. “I’m not going to say it’s panic time, but it’s time to come and get this train rolling.”
znModeratorfrom off the net
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guinnessram
Chip: “No matter how well Sanchez plays, Sam is QB when healthy.”
As per Mort on today’s “NFL Insiders”, so it looks like our 4th rder is safe.
They said Bradford suffered a concussion and a left (non throwing) shoulder injury, the severity of both hasn’t been determined yet. Should know details as early as tomorrow.
FWIW, Kelley didn’t sound too concerned, but with injuries (especially shoulder) you just never know.
November 16, 2015 at 2:58 pm in reply to: A well coached team with good QB play is hard to beat (post-Bears game thread) #34221
znModeratorI have seen people asking if Fisher is gone after this year. I say no.
Something could happen to change that but this entire year they approach everything as if they would have time. Injured RB, young OL, new coordinator, new qb. They never acted like this was it, the judgement year.
And in fact I just don’t think anyone can rule out them being better next year. And even better this year.
They lost this game because the D fell below its usual standard. That’s in part because the DEs are banged up.
They have won games before with the offense struggling. But the D has to show up.
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znModeratorRams once again fail to sustain drives in loss to Bears
Nick Wagoner
EARTH CITY, Mo. — Looking back at three things to watch in the St. Louis Rams’ 37-13 loss to the Chicago Bears on Sunday:
1. Possession priority: The Bears’ formula when they’ve had success this season has been pretty simple: control the ball and the clock and keep the defense on the sideline. Entering Sunday’s game, Chicago was fourth in the NFL in time of possession. Offensive coordinator Adam Gase has installed a system that allows quarterback Jay Cutler to take care of the ball, make plays when the opportunity arises and keep the Bears offense on the field.
The Rams, meanwhile, entered Sunday’s game near the bottom of the league in time of possession and first downs. It figured to be a dangerous mix if the Rams couldn’t find ways to stay on the field offensively.
As it turned out, that’s exactly what happened. Gase called a nearly perfect game and had the Rams defense completely off balance with a mix of quick passes and power runs. When it was all said and done, the Bears had the ball for 34:22 to the Rams’ 25:38. Chicago also had 17 first downs to the Rams’ 12. While the Bears also hit a couple of big plays, consider those just a bonus to a game plan that was perfectly executed. Given the time of possession disparity, the result of the game should be no surprise.
2. Whither Welker: As expected, Welker was active and involved on third downs less than a week after signing with the Rams. Quarterback Nick Foles targeted Welker quickly though he overthrew him on his first target. All told, Welker played just 11 snaps, most of those coming on third down and was targeted six times. He finished with three catches for 32 yards with a long gain of 14 yards.
Moving forward, Welker figures to be more involved in the offense as he takes on more of the playbook.
3. Holding their water: In the previous three weeks before Sunday’s game, the Rams were flagged for offside penalties a whopping 12 times, including five against Cleveland three weeks ago and five more last week against Minnesota. Those flags have given opponents first downs, made getting another first down more manageable and many times altered field position in a significant way.
It was a point of emphasis during the week for those numbers to decrease and it was one of the rare times the Rams actually followed through on it. They picked up just one penalty for jumping offside and it didn’t happen when the Rams were on defense. Safety Rodney McLeod jumped on an extra point attempt but otherwise the Rams were able to get the issue corrected for at least one week. It was actually one of the few things the Rams did well in an embarrassing loss.
November 16, 2015 at 2:14 pm in reply to: A well coached team with good QB play is hard to beat (post-Bears game thread) #34219
znModeratorI dunno, i cant find out what kind of injury he has exactly,
but he sat out last game, and limped around this game.Quinn missed the previous game cause of the knee. It doesn’t look to be surgical, and is probably something like a bruise or a sprain.
This D is not the same without 2 active DEs. With Long out, his brother beat the crap out of Hayes, Sims wasn’t up to being the lead man, and apparently Quinn only came in on 3rd downs but was not as effective as usual.
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znModeratorTen Takeaways from the Rams’ 37-13 Loss to the Bears
Randy Karraker
http://www.101sports.com/2015/11/15/ten-takeaways-from-the-rams-37-13-loss-to-the-bears/
When a first year coach of a team that was 5-11 last year takes his team on the road to face a fourth year coach of a team that’s supposed to be ascending, and his team drills the opponent…that should be bad news for the fourth year coach.
jeff fisher-10The last NFL coach to make it to a fifth season without making the playoffs was Gary Kubiak of the Texans, who started in 2006 and didn’t make the playoffs until 2011.
It looks like Jeff Fisher is on a similar path.
The lack of consistency on the part of the Rams is troubling, and the fact that they are two games behind the last wild card team in the conference pretty much eliminates them from the playoffs. The last two games were not only winnable for the Rams, but the home game against Chicago was a must win, and they got hammered 37-13.
And with that, ten takeaways…
1) The Rams got off to a terrific start on offense, driving eighty yards in seven plays (11.4 per play) to a touchdown that put them ahead 7-0. After that opening drive, the Rams ran 25 plays the remainder of the first half, and picked up 66 yards. In the second half, they gained 139 yards on 29 plays. Breaking it down, the Rams amassed just 205 yards after their opening drive, averaging 3.8 yards per play.
2) The Rams defense was killed by big plays, which is awfully unusual for them. Before Sunday, the only play over fifty yards the Rams had allowed was a 65 yard pass from Aaron Rodgers to James Jones. The second biggest play was a 39 yard run by Matt Jones of Washington. The 87 and 83 yard touchdown passes by Jay Cutler to Zach Miller and Jeremy Langford, respectively, were more than enough to get the defense on its heels, and it never recovered.
3) We wondered during the pregame show if the absence of Matt Forte might cause the Rams to concentrate too much on Alshon Jeffery and Martellus Bennett, the two biggest remaining playmakers for Chicago. Sure enough, Jeffery was held to 23 yards on three catches, and Bennett had three grabs for eighteen yards. The Rams covered those guys, but saw their stout run defense disintegrate, allowing 153 yards on 37 carries. In week nine of year four, more is expected of a defense working against Jeremy Langford and Kadeem Carey.
4) Meanwhile, the Rams running game has fallen back to its old ways. Running backs had eighteen carries for 76 yards, but before a garbage time drive that featured Trey Mason, they had thirteen carries for 48 yards. The running game certainly wasn’t up to winning NFL standards. Teams are stacking the box against Todd Gurley and daring the Rams to throw, and the Rams simply aren’t efficient enough in the passing game to make them pay.
nick foles-8Foles was 17 of 36 for 200 yards with a QB rating of 53.0 in Sunday’s Rams loss.
5) The Rams coaching staff hasn’t adapted to Nick Foles’ limitations. Of course, one of those limitations is the talent level of his recievers, and there’s nothing anyone can do about that.
But Foles also has real trouble throwing effectively outside the numbers, and the Rams continue to try plays on the perimeter.
They MUST work inside the numbers if they’re going to have success, because he simply can’t make the intermediate-to-long throw on the sideline.
6) At this stage of the game, it’s more than fair to question whether or not Fisher is up to the job of winning a championship, which should be the ultimate goal of any franchise. His Rams record now is 24-32-1. He has his coaching staff and his players. Any suggestion of injuries being an excuse are diminished by the fact that he’s has four years to build the roster and the depth is his.
On Sunday, Fisher had his hand-picked quarterback, running back, receivers, tight ends, tackles, center, one guard, defensive tackles, one end, two linebackers and secondary. No excuses. In game nine of year four, there is no excuse to lose this game. Try to think of a circumstance under which Fisher would lead the Rams to a championship. I can’t.
7) Left tackle Greg Robinson is playing far from the quality of a 2nd pick in the draft. After committing three holding penalties, Robinson leads all NFL offensive players in penalties with nine, an average of one per game, and is tied with Jason Kelce of Philadelphia with eight offensive holding penalties. He had two more holding penalties against Cleveland that were declined.
On Sunday, one of his holds nullified a Tavon Austin touchdown that would have made the score 14-7 Rams, but instead they kicked a field goal. That was a devastating penalty. Another third quarter hold nullified an Austin catch that would have provided a first down at the Bears’ 40. The second tackle taken in the 2014 draft, Jake Matthews of Atlanta, has committed three penalties, two of which were holding, and has been a much more effective pass blocker than Robinson. Robinson is still very young, but the lack of progress is alarming.
8) On the bright side for Stan Kroenke, with dynamic pricing for the Bears game, the Rams distributed more than 60,000 tickets and collected more revenue for a home game than they ever have. The Rams were able to get more people into the building than for any game this season, and collect the biggest gate ever. And almost half the crowd went home happy.
9) Down 27-13 early in the fourth quarter, the Rams tried a fake punt deep in their own territory, and Johnny Hekker’s pass fell incomplete. While Jeff Fisher was asked about it after the game, it was a non-factor. The Bears kicked a field goal after the failed attempt, and the Rams offense wasn’t going to produce two touchdowns anyway. The failed fake was a non-factor in the defeat. By that time, the game had been decided.
10) Foles is 28th in passer rating and 28th in yards in the NFL. His play simply isn’t up to a level that’s going to help a team win, let alone make a team win. His 186.4 yards per game are 34th in the league, and as Kevin Wheeler mentioned in the postgame show on 101 ESPN, three of the seven touchdown passes he’s thrown in nine games came in one game, at Arizona. He needs to have more good games if the Rams are to have ANY chance to win.
Next week the Rams are at Baltimore. Since they’ve lost two in a row and aren’t in a position to put anything positive together, they have a shot against the Ravens. But in terms of having a playoff shot in 2015, that likely went by the boards with the blowout loss to the Bears on Sunday.[/quote]
znModeratorBench Foles? Sure, But That Won’t Solve the Problem
Bernie Miklasz
http://www.101sports.com/2015/11/15/bench-foles-sure-but-that-wont-solve-the-problem/
Bench Nick Foles?
Sure. He’s overwhelmed, overmatched, and seemingly gets worse by the throw.
A slight exaggeration, perhaps. But with rare exception, Foles’ performance has deteriorated since he threw three touchdown passes and sculpted a 126.9 passer rating in the Rams’ Oct. 4 upset win at Arizona.
Foles has mostly struggled over his last five games, completing 51.7 percent of his passes with two touchdowns and five interceptions and a 60.2 passer rating.
Foles Failure is certainly a primary factor in the Rams’ 2-3 showing after leaving Arizona with a potential season-changing win.
The most glaring failure is on third down. Over the last five games, Foles has completed 40 percent of this third-down throws with one touchdown, five interceptions and a passer rating of 34.2.
(That’s right: I said 34.2.)
Foles wasn’t the only reason for the Rams’ abhorrent 37-13 loss to the Chicago Bears on Sunday. Left offensive tackle Greg Robinson presented another Jason Smith tribute, getting flagged so many times that the team equipment staff should have put him in a yellow jersey. And as much as I have praised and admired the Rams’ defense this season, the gang was deconstructed by Bears quarterback Jay Cutler, running back Jeremy Langford and tight end Zach Miller.
The Bears hit the Rams defense for more big plays — more home runs if you will — than the Cubs in their NL division conquest of the St. Louis Cardinals. It was just a wreck of a game, with the disappointing Rams drooping to 4-5 on the season.
But Foles was a significant part of the collapse. He completed fewer than 50 percent of his passes (17 for 36), got picked for an interception, sailed passes over (or under) open receivers, and was generally exasperated while tabulating a gruesome 53.0 passer rating.
And as the caretaker of the Rams’ offense, Foles fizzled after the Rams’ authoritative opening drive that ambushed the Bears for a 7-0 lead. On that first march Foles had two completions for 60 yards to set up Todd Gurley’s touchdown run, but passed for only 140 yards the rest of the game.
After that first strike, the Rams and Foles went into a deep funk over their next eight possessions. The numbers are almost unbelievable: 28 offensive snaps, 36 total net yards, two first downs, 40 yards lost in penalties, six punts, and a lost fumble.
Foles was put in some unforgiving third-down situations because of the penalties and the missteps on first and second downs, but he couldn’t pull the Rams out of their inertia.
The Rams offense was so depressing after the first series, I wouldn’t have objected to a decision to yank Foles and go with the No. 2 quarterback Case Keenum. (I can’t believe what I just typed. More on that later.) The Rams required a shakeup, and the somewhat frantic Keenum can at least run around a little, and maybe get a defense scrambling out of position.
Of course Rams coach Jeff Fisher would have none of that.
When asked if he considered making a change, Fisher said: “No. That’s my choice, but no. I’m just going to look at it. We have to play better around him (Foles). I’ll look and see how he played, but he was prepared. He had a great practice this week and he missed a couple of throws and we had a couple of drops. We’ll look at it, but at this point, no.”
The door was left open a bit.
But I’d be surprised if he benched Foles.
Coach Fisher enthusiastically endorsed the trade that sent Sam Bradford and Sam’s left knee to Philadelphia for Foles and the Eagles’ fourth-round draft pick in 2015 and their second-round choice in 2016. And before Foles even played a regular-season game, the Rams gave him a contract extension that could keep him in place through 2017. The deal included $14 million guaranteed.
And Keenum’s own record as an NFL starter offers little stimulation. He has a 2-8 record, 11 touchdowns, eight INTs, three lost fumbles, a 55 percent completion rate and 76.8 passer rating. But a coach of a catatonic offense shouldn’t rule out making a switch for shock-therapy purposes. Keenum was fantastic in his first two NFL starts with Houston, with a passer rating of 118.0 back in 2013. But in his last eight starts, Keenum threw seven TDs and eight picks and had a passer rating of 67.8.
OK, but what if Foles keeps slumping? After leading the Rams to an exciting season-opening win over Seattle, Foles has lost confidence. He isn’t as decisive in his throws. He went into the game having absorbed more pass-rush hits among NFL quarterbacks. Too many dropped passes bring him down even more. The O-line penalties are a joke. Foles is being supervised by a first-year offensive coordinator, Frank Cignetti. So many moving parts. So many malfunctioning parts. There’s little creativity or cohesion.
It’s gotten ugly, and you wonder if it’s possible for Foles to overcome such quarterback-hostile conditions. Other than Gurley and wide receiver Tavon Austin, there’s no electricity in this offense. It starts with yawn-inducing coaching, a shaky offensive line, and (mostly) undependable targets. The Rams were so panicked to add a receiver, they’re trying to revive Wes Welker’s career.
That said, Foles doesn’t receive immunity from criticism. He has to make more impactful plays. There’s too much dinky stuff; Foles has averaged only 5.95 yards per passing attempt over his last five games. When a quarterback goes bad, it’s a sad thing to watch.
Fisher doesn’t see what we see.
“He’s a confident, competitive person,” Fisher said. “He thought, with seven minutes left to go in the game, we were going to put two drives together and score. That’s how he is and it’s real. It’s got some realness to it. It’s not one of those things that you think how someone is supposed to act. I don’t think confidence is an issue with him.”
As for Foles …
“Throughout my career,” he said, “games like this, situations like this, I look back at these moments like, ‘Hey, that was that moment that built character in me. That made me the person I am, that made me the teammate I am.’ Even with teams that have been on, there’s always that moment early on that you look at that moment like, ‘Hey, without that moment, we wouldn’t be the great team we are today.’ So, that’s how you look at moments like this is, ‘Hey, it’s just a character building moment.’ That’s all it is. Now, it’s how you handle these situations from here on if your character’s going to build or if you’ll diminish.”
The Rams have been engaged in sustained, seemingly endless “character building” since Fisher took charge of the program in 2012. But we’re watching the same scenes over and over again. Too many idiotic, undisciplined penalties. Too many draft choices that apparently require seven or eight seasons of developmental time. Drafting an offensive tackle No. 2 overall (Robinson) who is often a liability. And just a seeping, creeping dullness that the Rams can’t break.
The unpleasant truth?
The Rams offense isn’t a priority.
We know that for a couple of reasons, including Cignetti’s in-house promotion to coordinator.
When Fisher needed a new coordinator for his defense, he patched up his damaged relationship with Gregg Williams and rehired Williams before 2014. The Rams defense was off form and easily conquered on Sunday, but it’s still the strength of the team. And hiring Williams — one of the NFL’s best defensive coordinators over the last 15+ years — was attributable to Fisher’s desire for a great defense. It was a smart hire.
But when Brian Schottenheimer left as STL’s offensive coordinator last offseason to take the same post at the college level with Georgia, Fisher didn’t conduct an ambitious national search to recruit a top OC or an emerging creative mind. Fisher’s search began and ended several yards from his own office at Rams Park, when he knocked on the door of his quarterbacks coach and gave Cignetti the OC gig.
That tells us a lot about Fisher’s view of offense.
The other revealing part is Fisher’s lengthy record that isn’t open to interpretation.
The facts are clear.
Fisher’s Tennessee Titans last won a playoff game in 2003. In his last 11 seasons as a head coach (including 2015) his team’s best NFL ranking in most offensive points scored was No. 12, back in 2008. That was also the last time the Titans made the playoffs under Fisher; his offense has finished no better than No. 16 since then. In his first three seasons in St. Louis, the Fisher offense has ranked 28th, 22nd and 23rd. This year, through the first eight games, the Rams were ranked 30th in offensive points scored. Sunday’s 13-point output won’t move them up on the list.
As I wrote earlier, I’d welcome a change at quarterback if Foles continues riding on a downbound train. But we should remember two important things: (1) the alternative isn’t necessarily an upgrade; and (2) without question this is Jeff Fisher’s offense. We can make Foles the fall guy, but that doesn’t address the real problem. Jeff Fisher’s offense has been dragging for years. Pick a quarterback; any will do. That quarterback will be working for the same coach, functioning under the same philosophy, and operating the same system. That’s the reality.
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znModeratorRams disappear in blowout loss to Bears
Jim Thomas
So here they are, your St. Louis Rams, once again in an all-too-familiar position. After building up hopes like never before under Jeff Fisher that this would be the year they get over the hump, the Rams served up yet another bitter pill to their faithful Sunday at the Edward Jones Dome.
In one of their worst outings of the Fisher tenure in St. Louis, the Rams were embarrassed 37-13 by a 4-5 Chicago team that was missing star running back Matt Forte and its best defensive player, outside linebacker Pernell McPhee.
Off-balance all day, the Rams defense gave up a pair of 80 yards-plus touchdowns in the first half, falling behind 24-10 at halftime.
So after creeping above .500 in November for the first time since 2006, the Rams now stand at 4-5 after back-to-back losses with road games at Baltimore and Cincinnati the next two Sundays.
“We got outplayed and out-coached,” Fisher said. “Two big plays (allowed) on defense were kind of back breakers.”
Nick Foles’ struggles continued at quarterback. He completed fewer than .50 percent of his passes (17 of 36), threw a late interception, and was high or late with several throws. He missed two wide-open receivers in the end zone for what should’ve been touchdowns.
Foles has thrown only one touchdown pass in his past four games and hasn’t thrown for more than 200 yards in a game since Week 1.
“Not good enough to win,” Foles said when asked to evaluate his play. “We’re not winning, so I’ve gotta keep working to get better, working to make sure offensively we get rolling.”
Backup Case Keenum finished out the game at quarterback, and Fisher didn’t issue an impassioned defense of Foles when asked if he would consider a quarterback change going forward.
“We’ll look at it, but at this point, no,” Fisher said.
You’d think the Rams would be well beyond a game like this under Fisher, but not so.
“I don’t like it,” Fisher said. “With four minutes to go in the game, we had eight first downs. You can’t win games like that.”
SALUTE TO SERVICE
The Rams teamed with Boeing to provide 1,000 tickets to the USO of Missouri for military members and their families for Sunday’s Salute to Service game.
U.S. Army war hero Daniel Rodriguez, a wide receiver who walked on at Clemson and who was in training camp with the Rams this year, will return to serve as an honorary team captain for Sunday’s game.
Rodriguez, 27, earned a Bronze Star and Purple Heart for his heroism in the Battle of Kamdesh in Afghanistan in October 2009. He was signed by the Rams after a tryout.
In the preseason, the 5-foot-8, 180-pounder caught two passes for 10 yards. He also averaged 23.7 yards on seven kickoff returns and 4.8 yards on six punt returns.
DOME UPGRADE
The concrete that surrounded the playing surface at the Edward Jones Dome has been covered by blue rubber padding that should help players maintain their footing. In each of the last two games at the Dome, players _ Cleveland QB Josh McCown and San Francisco RB Reggie Bush _ suffered injuries after falls resulting from losing their footing as they ran from the turf onto the concrete.
znModeratorWell the Bears were missing their top RB
and Alshon was hobbled and they were
on the road, etc.That’s nothing. This entire team depends on its DL to win and it got negated… the DEs were contained and silent.
The equivalent would be if the Rams D completed stifled Cutler to the point where he could do nothing, like Manning today.
Just lists of injuries doesn’t give you honest equivalence. As they stand right now as a team, negate the Rams DL and the Rams as a whole aren’t competitive.
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I dunno, but to me, this one, was
one of the worst regular season losses,
of the decade.It’s not even one of the worst losses of the decade. I’m not even sure it cracks top 10. (Or, bottom 10. You know what I mean.) I think your psychological system just did you a favor by erasing games like Keith Null throwing 5 INTs against the Titans in a 2009 game they lost 47-7. (Should I go on? There’s more.)
I would say it is the most disappointing game of the Fisher era.
znModeratorYeah I would have to say so.
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znModeratorDid you see the game? What do you think happened
today? I mean…WTF? None of us
was expecting anything like THIS.
Good lord.It;s not the same team, anywhere down the line, with both DEs being mostly silent.
Plus. Bad tackling showed up again on D.
Plus. The penalties and horribly timed mistakes showed up again on O. Negating 1st downs and one TD.
Plus. Foles was a mess. He’s not the least bit confident right now. He’s not the guy we saw in the Seattle game.
Plus. Hekker blew a fake. In Rams territory.
Everything that could go wrong, did.
znModeratorJim Thomas @jthom1
No excuses from defense, which played its worst game of year. They were kept off-balance all day by play-calling of Martz protégé Adam Gase
znModeratorIf Havenstein isn’t back they have 3 linemen out. That’s reaching critical mass stage (unless your qb is Brady).
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November 15, 2015 at 6:12 pm in reply to: "While visiting family & friends I met a scout who did some work for the Rams" #34154
znModeratorWell, I think they need to hire new management, coaches and a front office because based on the results of the first of those 8 games they are clueless if they think this is a Superbowl team.
I met a scout who did some work for Rams recently (that’s all he would let me say about him
Yeah I wondered whether to post that. I mean…have you ever heard of a “scout who did some work for” a team “recently”? You’re either a scout with a team or you’re not. It’s not like hiring a guy to cut your lawn.
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znModeratorRams Report Card vs. Chicago Bears
Here’s how columnist Jeff Gordon graded the Rams after their 37-17 loss to the Chicago Bears on Nov. 15, 2015.








November 15, 2015 at 4:49 pm in reply to: A well coached team with good QB play is hard to beat (post-Bears game thread) #34143
znModeratorWell that game sure didn’t go the way I was expecting.

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znModeratoris welker just that good or is the passing game just that bad? will have to watch later but excited to see wes.
I figure it’s nothing more than this.
The only way to replace Bailey is to sign a vet. Someone who can contribute.
You then take advantage of what that vet has.
In this case, it’s the Amendola role. Some slot stuff, third down stuff.
And, you create some packages he can play in. Not that hard for a vet. No way he will know the whole offense or even a portion of it, but you use him on some plays designed this week.
Regardless how good, bad, or slump-ridden the rest of the WRs are, the Rams did not have a slot receiver, so, it’s not like there’s anyone ahead of him. So you use your new Welker packages and see what happens. Couldn’t hurt.
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znModeratorBears defense is 24th in rushing yards, 15th in attempts, and 27th in yards per rush allowed.
But they are 5th in both passing attempts and passing yards allowed.
Is this a case where teams don’t bother to throw because they can run so easily?
Well, in terms of passing defense, they are
16th in completion percentage allowed (ie. 1st would be a much lower completion percentage)
14th in yards per attempt
17th in opponents qb rating
22nd in sack percentage
So yeah it looks like teams don’t throw on them because why bother, you can run on them so easily.
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With just a few days of practice under his belt, new #Rams WR Wes Welker will be active today, sources say. Worth watching on third downs. -
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