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    As of right now, barring any other developments, and before they add anyone else, these are the linemen the Rams could be taking with them to camp next summer. I include their seasons of league experience, counting 2016 since this is about 2016. Eg. next year Havenstein would be in his 2nd year.

    I bolded the 3 new additions.

    Tackles

    * Robinson, 3rd year
    * Havenstein, 2nd year
    * Williams, 2nd year
    * Battle, 2nd year

    Centers & C/G swingmen

    * Barnes, 6th year
    * Rhaney, 3rd year
    * Kush, 4th year

    Guards & G/T swingmen

    Saffold, 7th year
    Reynolds, 8th year
    Brown, 2nd year
    Donnal, 2nd year
    Wichman, 2nd year
    Folkerts, 5th year
    Arkin, 6th year

    That;s 14 in total.

    They’ve added 10 guys this year alone. 3 of them (Arkin, Kush, Folkerts) are this year’s Barksdale/Mike Person types.

    Looks to me like they are bound and determined to have a 2016 line that is deep, more experienced, and as a group immune to the “since the dawn of time” Rams OL injury curse.

    By adding the 3 recent guys (4th, 5th year, 6th year) they went from the 2016 group have 3 guys with 4 or more years experience to 6.

    I think they are also bound and determined not to draft any OL next year.

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    David Arkin

    Position: Offensive guard

    Height: 6 ft 5 in
    Weight: 306 lb

    College: Missouri State

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    Professional career

    Dallas Cowboys
    Arkin was drafted with the 110th pick of the 4th round by the Dallas Cowboys in the 2011 NFL Draft, with the intention of playing him at offensive guard. After being inactive for every game as a rookie, in his second season he was forced to learn the center position in training camp, after the team suffered a series of injuries. His lack of strength and experience, kept him again inactive in every game despite being healthy.

    In 2013, the team decided to have him focus on the right guard position. As he has done in previous training camps, he proved to be one of the most durable players on the team and was activated for the first regular season game of his career in the season opener against the New York Giants. He was released on October 26, to make room for Jakar Hamilton and later signed to the team’s practice squad.

    Miami Dolphins
    On November 5, 2013, he was signed by the Miami Dolphins from the Dallas Cowboys practice squad. The signing was a direct result of the issues the Dolphins where having on their offensive line, after Richie Incognito alleged role in the harassment of teammate Jonathan Martin. He was active in only one game (against the Carolina Panthers). The following season after being tried at center, he was waived on August 30, 2014.

    Seattle Seahawks
    The Seattle Seahawks signed him to their practice squad on September 3, 2014, but was waived five days later.

    Indianapolis Colts
    Arkin was signed to the Indianapolis Colts practice squad on September 16, 2014. He was promoted to the active roster on December 31, when Gosder Cherilus was placed on the injured reserve list.[8] On September 5, 2015, he was released and signed to the practice squad the next day. He was cut on September 23, and re-signed to the practice squad on October 26. On November 3, Arkin was released.

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    OVERVIEW
    Arkin’s an experienced, durable offensive guard prospect with the intelligence, work-ethic and toughness to make it in the league as a reserve and possibly a starter down the line. Improving his overall technique as a pass and run blocker would go a lot way in moving him up a depth chart. Needs to do a better job with his hands, sink his hips more and watch his pad level. Displays good awareness. Has the killer instinct that can’t be taught and we don’t expect him to be afraid of the jump in competition.
    ANALYSIS
    STRENGTHS Arkin has a mean streak. Plays angry and always finishes his blocks but still has a cool head, helps out in blitz pickup when free, and isn’t baited by defensive line play. Legs are always driving while run blocking and gets some movement. Can take on the bull rush.
    WEAKNESSES Pass blocking technique needs improvement. Doesn’t sink his hips and hand play is a bit sloppy. Quicker, athletic defensive tackles can beat him laterally. Doesn’t have great burst off the ball, needs to watch his pad level and can lean and lunge. Footwork out in space is only adequate.

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    2011 NFL Draft Picks: Cowboys Select David Arkin, T/G, Missouri State – Beefing Up The Line

    By Dave Halprin  @BloggingTheBoys on Apr 30, 2011

    http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2011/4/30/2145198/2011-nfl-draft-picks-cowboys-select-david-arkin-t-g-missouri-state

    With the #110 pick in the NFL draft (#13 in the 4th round), the Dallas Cowboys selected offensive lineman David Arkin from Missouri State. A tackle at a lower-level school, Arkin will likely move inside to guard. A versatile guy that could swing between tackle and guard if needed. Versatile is a word that goes with Arkin. 6′ 5″, 300 lbs. Wasn’t projected by most services to go this high in the draft.

    It was hard to find solid scouting reports on the guy but jump below to read some. Also, Rick Gosselin had him as his #100 player, so that’s good.

    The best review I found was from Scott Wright at NFL Draft Countdown, he had him as his #8 guard:

    Strengths:
    Has experience at guard and tackle. Great size. Thick thighs. Adequate strength and lateral quickness. Had a strong showing at the East-West Shrine Game. Anchors well. Has strong hands and uses them quickly. Does a good job of sustaining blocks.

    Weaknesses:
    Struggled early in the year at a new position as he would keep a poor base when drive blocking, didn’t always finish, and was too high on first contact to the second level. Needs to bend more. Lunges at defenders on the second level. Needs to get stronger.

    Outlook:
    Arkin has dominated his entire career at MSU and is one of the most versatile linemen in this draft with good tape at both tackle and guard for at least one full season. I like his ability to swing from guard and tackle as a backup early in his career and believe he could eventually start at guard with improved strength and some coaching. His ability at both positions could draw him up boards as high as 4th or 5th round.

    Here’s what Sideline Scouting says:

    Positives: Smart… Good pass blocker… Reasonably quick pass set… Good short area quickness… Very solid lateral movement and slide… Good footwork and agility… Does a nice job changing direction… Plays with good balance… Can pull and get to the second level… Good flexibility and body control… Blocks reasonably well on the move… Good strength at POA… Can control once locked on… Solid drive blocker… Takes good angles… Does a nice job turning defenders from the running lane… Has some suddenness to his game, flashes some explosion… Physical… Relentless, gives a good effort, competitive.

    Negatives: Needs to bulk up a bit… Plays too upright… Can be beat by outside speed.

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    Brian Folkerts
    School: Washburn
    Position: G

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    This is his fourth year in the NFL. He signed with the New Orleans Saints as a 2012 UDFA. After they waived him, he spent a day with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. He got some time with the San Jose Sabercats after that. He subsequently signed with the Carolina Panthers in 2013, and spent two weeks o their 53-man roster to open the season. He was then waived and signed to their practice squad. He returned to the 53-man roster and appeared in ten games with the group in 2013, and all 16 in 2014 (no starts). The Panthers released him on September 5, 2015.

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    Bio: Three-year starter at both tackle positions. Awarded all-conference honors since his sophomore season.
    Positive: Nice-sized college tackle who projects to guard in the NFL. Quick off the snap, explosive at the point and keeps his feet moving throughout the action. Sets with a wide base, works to stays square and blocks with a nasty attitude. Controls defenders at the point of attack, seals them from the action and keeps his head on a swivel. Anchors in pass protection and works his hands throughout the play.
    Negative: Lacks footwork and lateral blocking range. Struggles blocking in motion and is best in a small area.
    Analysis: Folkerts was productive and durable on the college level and offers size as well as growth potential for the NFL. He’s a versatile blocker who could find a home as an inexpensive backup.

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    NFC West, what happened to you?

    http://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/nfl/cardinals/2015/11/17/nfc-west-what-happened-you/75939806/

    If this NFL season were a high school reunion, most of the NFC West would resemble the ex-star quarterback who shows up sporting 20 extra pounds, a combover and a two-pack habit.

    After a couple of cocktails, you might ask, “Dude, what happened to you?” because you are curious and you still preface questions with,“Dude.”

    That might be an unfair and premature assessment, because everyone has seven games to play, anything can happen, it’s a crazy league, and blah, blah, blah.

    But we doubt it.

    Two years ago, the NFC West was the best division in football. And no one else was close.

    The Seahawks won the division with a 13-3 record, the 49ers were next at 12-4, and the Cardinals, at 10-6, narrowly missed a playoff berth.

    The Seahawks beat the 49ers 23-17 in the NFC title game and went on to win the Super Bowl.

    Two years later, the Cardinals are the only team in the division with a winning record after nine games.

    At 7-2, the Cardinals are three games above the current mess that used to pass for the NFL’s toughest division.

    The Rams are what they have been for years. Very good within the division. Not so hot out of it. Tough defense. Nasty demeanor. Changing quarterbacks and offensive coordinators yearly.

    It’s the 49ers and Seahawks who have changed so much they’ve lost their defining features.

    Everyone figured the 49ers would fall on hard times. Coach Jim Harbaugh left. Patrick Willis, Justin Smith, Chris Borland and Anthony Davis retired. A handful of other former key players, including running back Frank Gore and guard Mike Iupati, left via free agency.

    At least they had a talented young quarterback.

    But halfway through the season, Colin Kaepernick was benched in favor of Blaine Gabbert. The 49ers are 3-6 and it’s hard to find much hope for the future.

    The Seahawks, who came within seconds last February of winning a second consecutive Super Bowl, are 4-5 after Sunday night’s loss to the Cardinals.

    Even though it gave up 39 points to the Cardinals, Seattle’s defense is good enough to keep the Seahawks in contention for a wild-card spot.

    But that offense? The line is terrible, quarterback Russell Wilson is having to scramble way too early on pass plays, and they haven’t figured out how to take advantage of tight end Jimmy Graham’s talents.

    The Seahawks needed to beat the Cardinals last Sunday night to contend for a third consecutive division title. After the game, coach Pete Carroll said they had a great offensive game plan for Arizona, but couldn’t get to it in the first half because of penalties.

    No question that’s true. The Seahawks faced first and at least 20 four times in the first half. But the Seahawks of the previous two seasons would not have let the Cardinals go 83 and 80 yards for touchdowns in the final quarter.

    The Seahawks, at least, have the talent to make a playoff push. They don’t have any glaring weakness on defense, and they look as good as any other NFC wild-card contender.

    Yes, that’s a back-handed compliment.

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    After playing many roles, Case Keenum unfazed by task of starting for Rams

    Nick Wagoner

    http://espn.go.com/blog/st-louis-rams/post/_/id/23800/after-playing-many-roles-case-keenum-unfazed-by-task-of-starting-for-rams

    EARTH CITY, Mo. — Since entering the NFL as an undrafted free agent in 2012, Case Keenum has found himself in nearly every scenario a player can experience in the league.

    Keenum has been on a practice squad, run the scout team, been a starter and a backup. He has been released. He has been traded. You name it, he has done it. All of which makes Keenum uniquely qualified to handle just about anything, including his new role as the St. Louis Rams’ starting quarterback.

    “Yeah, I’ve been on a lot of sides of the quarterback position,” Keenum said. “I’ve been named the starter after a guy that gets injured or whatever it is. I’ve been a backup now for a while. I’ve been replaced as a starter. I’ve been a No. 4 guy on one team and then starting the next week for another team. I’ve kind of been through it all.

    “You have to be ready when you get a chance. I’m ready. I’ve been prepared and that’s what I do every week, is I get ready to play. I’m excited for my chance, I really am. I’m excited to go out there and compete again. You don’t get many chances to play in this league. I definitely count it as a blessing. To have a second chance to come out and compete is incredible.”

    For Keenum, the chance to start his first game with the Rams — he started 10 in two stints with the Houston Texans — might be incredible, but it’s also a little bittersweet. When Rams coach Jeff Fisher informed Keenum, Nick Foles and Sean Mannion that Keenum would be taking the starting job from Foles on Monday, Keenum’s first instinct was to reach out to Foles and support his friend.

    “Nick’s one of my best friends,” Keenum said. “We’ve been fighting hard together to play the best that our position can play. I have the utmost respect for Nick. That’s the first person that I talked to after Coach Fisher told us. We have a great relationship and I have his back no matter what.”

    Now it’s Foles’ turn to have Keenum’s back.

    Keenum had a short stay in St. Louis last year after the Rams claimed him on waivers from Houston. He spent part of the season on the active roster and another part on the practice squad before the Texans re-signed him to step in for their injured quarterbacks. The Rams then traded for Keenum in March with an eye toward making him Foles’ primary backup.

    Having had about half a season with the Rams in 2014 and more than half of this year, Keenum is comfortable in coordinator Frank Cignetti’s offense. Nothing will be scaled back to get Keenum up to speed this week.

    “He’s been preparing himself to play week in and week out,” Fisher said. “[He] understands the offense, so we just want to be mindful of the things that he really likes. There’s some different things. We made some minor adjustments in the plan just because there’s some things that he sees and sees a little differently than Nick and they prefer. It’s all good. All it does is hopefully translates into first downs.”

    In some ways, the Rams might actually expand what they do with Keenum in the lineup. Upon naming Keenum the starter, Fisher cited his ability to extend plays with his legs as one of the primary reasons for the move. Fisher and the Rams are hoping Keenum can provide “a spark,” at least something that can give the Rams a temporary lift while Foles catches his breath.

    Through the first nine games, Foles was 14-of-35 for 138 yards with no touchdowns or interceptions for a passer rating of 51.8 and a QBR of 8.7 when he was outside of the pocket. Naturally, the Rams didn’t ask him to leave the pocket much, limiting the amount of bootlegs and roll-outs they asked Foles to run.

    Logic would dictate if the Rams believe Keenum can make plays with his legs, that could be a new wrinkle this week. In his 10 starts, Keenum is 21-of-43 for 398 yards with three touchdowns and two interceptions for a passer rating of 86.5 and a QBR of 43.7 when outside the pocket.

    “I think that Case has shown that he can extend plays,” Fisher said. “I mean, scramble around, extend plays and make throws down the field. So, yeah, there are some things that we can do a little bit differently.”

    Keenum took his first extended reps with the starters on Tuesday and acknowledged that though he has a good rapport with the Rams receivers and tight ends, developing chemistry is always an ongoing process.

    But other than the extra reps in practice and where his name sits on the depth chart, Keenum seems unfazed by his latest task.

    “You may dot a few more I’s and cross a few more T’s when you’re thinking about the plan,” Keenum said. “I try to visualize when I’m not playing, I try to prepare like I am. My routine is quite similar. I try to prepare and be the most mentally ready that I can be every time I step on the practice field. Now, instead of sitting back there visualizing it doing fake reps on air, I get the real reps, which is a lot better.”

    For Keenum, it’s a change in role, but it’s nothing new.[

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    His 2016 $6M roster bonus became fully guaranteed on August 15.

    Okay.

    To nail it home, full explanation:

    SPN’s Field Yates reports the Rams still owe benched QB Nick Foles $7.75 million guaranteed.

    Foles’ $6 million roster bonus for 2016 became fully guaranteed on August 15, and his $1.75 million base salary for 2016 is guaranteed for injury now and becomes fully guaranteed on the fifth day of the new league year. The roster bonus contains no offset language, meaning the Rams will have to pay the full amount even if they cut Foles this offseason. Unless they find a trade partner, Foles will likely be in St. Louis for at least one more season. Nov 17 – 9:22 AM

    Source: Field Yates on Twitter

    http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/7475/nick-foles

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    His 2016 $6M roster bonus became fully guaranteed on August 15.

    Okay.

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    Where they were in week 11 since 2008.

    2008: 2-7
    2009: 1-8
    2010: 4-5
    2011: 2-7
    2012: 3-5-1
    2013: 3-6
    2014: 3-6

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    Eric Kush

    Kansas City Chiefs
    Kush was drafted in the sixth round of the 2013 NFL Draft by the Kansas City Chiefs. On September 5, 2015, he was waived by the Chiefs.

    Tampa Bay Buccaneers
    On September 6, 2015, Kush was claimed off waivers by the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. On September 14, 2015, he was waived by the Buccaneers.

    Carolina Panthers
    On September 16, 2015, the Carolina Panthers signed Kush to their practice squad. He was released by the Panthers on October 27, 2015.

    Houston Texans
    On November 5, 2015, the Houston Texans signed Kush to a two-year contract.[6] On November 15, 2015, Kush was released by the Texans.

    St. Louis Rams
    On November 17, 2015 Kush signed with the St. Louis Rams.

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    OVERVIEW

    Kush was injured in the East/West practices so he’s flying under the radar. His foot quickness is unreal. He can make reach blocks than some NFL centers can’t dream of. He’ll probably go in the 5th round. During his career at California (Pa.)Kush appeared in 47 games and started 32 for the Vulcans. He was a first-team all-Pennsylvania State Athletic Conference selection in 2012.

    Three-year starter who began his career at left tackle then right guard before moving to center. All-Conference selection as a senior.
    Positive: Explosive and hard-working lineman with a versatile game. Sets with a wide base, bends his knees, and keeps his head on a swivel. Shows good awareness and displays a nice sense for what’s happening on the field. Makes good use of blocking angles, effectively works his hands throughout the action, and knocks defenders from the play. Disciplined in pass protection and possesses adequate footwork in space.

    Negative: Not a dominant drive-blocking interior lineman. Average measurables for the next level.

    Analysis: Kush was a terrific small-school lineman who filled a variety of roles and showed a good feel for the positions he played. He offers limited upside for the next level, but the ability to be used at several offensive line positions will help him get into camp this summer.

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    Bulked-up center Eric Kush brings energy to the Chiefs’ offensive line

    http://www.kansascity.com/sports/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/article1220306.html#storylink=cpy

    One of Chiefs coach Andy Reid’s biggest pet peeves is low-energy players. He likes the men who play for him to be full of life and have juice. That is, to love the game and energetically attack the voluminous amount of hours they spend preparing to play football on Sundays. That said, it’s no wonder he loves having second-year center Eric Kush around.

    “You talk to him for five minutes and you feel it,” Reid said. “He is going to look you in the eye and every play he is going to give you 110 percent, whether it is right or wrong.”

    Kush, who turns 25 in September, says he takes pride in playing hard and inspiring his teammates, even under the hot summer sun throughout organized team activities and training camp.

    “When we’re doing our team drills and even just seven on seven, it gets tough and people start getting tired,” Kush said. “I try to keep (the energy) up, I try to dap everybody up and keep us going so we can try to finish hard. It helps me too, because everybody wants to just kinda hang their head and feel sorry for themselves.”

    But for all his energy, Kush may find himself in position to best help his team with his contributions on the field — just not immediately.

    A sixth-round pick in 2013, Kush is currently behind entrenched starter Rodney Hudson, who is two years removed from a broken leg but is the most experienced starter on the offensive line and looks considerably stronger than he did last year.

    But Hudson, 25, is a free agent after the season, and with a strong year could command a sizable deal. So if there does come a point where Kush — who will be under contract for two years beyond this one at a very reasonable price — gets to play down the road, the front office can take comfort in the fact he’s working hard to be ready.

    Kush is listed at 6 feet 4 and 313 pounds, which is the same as last year, but is noticeably bigger and thicker than he was as a rookie last season.

    “Oh, he has. He has,” Reid said when asked whether Kush has gained strength. “He’s put on some weight. You see that with linemen. Normally you get about a 10-pound increase that first year on the average, so he has done that. He looks strong, more physical. He is not getting thrown around like he did when he was lighter.”

    There have even been occasions where Kush has managed to go toe to toe in pass-rush drills with star nose tackle Dontari Poe, who checks in at 6 feet 3 and 346 pounds and is generally respected for his rare combination of strength and athleticism.

    “The effort would have been there” last year, Reid said. “But the ability to hunker down and drop your weight and get in that strong position? He couldn’t.”

    Kush attributes his strength gains to an offseason spent with strength coach Barry Rubin, in which he followed his instructions “to the T” and saw some pictures of his buffed-up upper body land on social media.

    “We have a ‘Fat-Arm Friday’ so we go in there and just kill the arms and everything,” Kush said. “Somehow, someway, that thing found its way onto Twitter and Facebook and stuff.

    “I’ve been working,” Kush continued. “Haven’t put on too much weight, just converting a lot of body fat into muscle and working on that ratio.”

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    Agamemnon wrote:
    If Fisher goes 8-8, it will be his best year in StL.

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    Is that the good news
    or the bad news?

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    Both. And yet, neither.

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    I see that both Williams and Brown suffered season ending injuries on the Foles INT late in the game.

    who is williams?

    invader asked that in another thread.

    That’s Darrell Williams. He is the “gravy” OT they had. UDFA, was good enough to push Battle to the PS.

    As of now the Rams have acquired 10 linemen since last season.

    There was Reynolds, Havenstein, Brown, Donnal, Wichman, Battle, and Williams.

    Now add Folkerts, Kush, and Arkin.

    Why do they keep adding linemen? Because the Rams mission is to eventually injure every available lineman no longer in college.

    Last year neither Robinson nor Rhaney was injured previously and both got injured.

    Add to that this year’s list. Brown, Havensetin, and Williams.

    If you count Rhaney and Robinson they have actually added 12 they kept since 2014. As of now 5 of them have been injured. That is, 41.7%.

    Of course, compared to some years, that’s a low percentage.

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    Foles reminds me of a spread qb coming out of college

    Yeah, as opposed to just not having any talent, he looks like he’s not executing (and uncomfortable). Not that he would be stellar but that leaves room for improvement at least.

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    Let’s face it, this Ravens team is historically bad

    Mike Preston

    http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/bs-sp-mike-preston-ravens-column-1116-20151115-column.html

    Have you ever seen a Ravens team lose like this, and in so many creative ways?

    The Ravens would have lost even if they had won.

    In one of the most-bizarre endings in the modern day NFL, the Ravens lost to the Jacksonville Jaguars, 22-20, on Jason Myers’ 53-yard field goal with no time on the clock.

    If there was any hope for the Ravens this season, it sailed through the uprights with Myers’ field goal. If there was any optimism about a turnaround, it disappeared into the cool evening air at M&T Bank Stadium.

    Enough is enough.

    Good teams don’t lose to Oakland, Cleveland and Jacksonville in the same season, with two of those losses coming at home. Possible long-shot contenders don’t struggle and then lose to teams like the Jaguars, which had lost 13 straight on the road before Sunday.

    Ravens’ Flacco: ‘We’re not good enough’
    “We’re just not the type of team that’s finding ways to win right now,” said Ravens QB Joe Flacco after his team’s last-second, 22-20 loss to the Jacksonville Jaguars. (Kevin Richardson/Baltimore Sun video)
    A loser’s mentality is starting to set in with this team because they would have been happy barely beating Jacksonville. Playoffs? Are you kidding me?

    Last week, Ravens cornerback Jimmy Smith was talking about the Ravens making history by winning eight straight and becoming the first team to start 2-6 and earn a playoff bid.

    Well, the Ravens are on course to make history. While celebrating the 20th season in Baltimore they might be the worst in team history. There are no more excuses, not after Sunday.

    I don’t want to hear about injuries or the officials. I don’t care if the Ravens haven’t given up or how they’ve been in every game until the final minutes. The Ravens find ways to lose, and if they don’t then they create new ones.

    Jimmy Smith on the team’s missed opportunities
    “We could have played better and that could have made a difference in the game,” cornerback Jimmy Smith said after the team’s 22-20 loss to the Jacksonville Jaguars. (Kevin Richardson/Baltimore Sun video)
    They had two weeks to prepare for Jacksonville (3-6) and came up with another losing, embarrassing effort. You can forgive outside linebacker Elvis Dumervil for his face mask of quarterback Blake Bortles on the next-to-last play of the game, which set up Myers’ game-winning field goal.

    That’s understandable, because it was a hustle play. But while Dumervil was playing until the final whistle, some of his teammates on the field were celebrating. If Dumervil had some help, maybe he wouldn’t have had to grab the face mask. If he had some help, maybe someone else would have gotten pressure.

    Even more disturbing was that only several weeks earlier Ravens defensive players didn’t finish off Arizona Cardinals running back Chris Johnson, and he ended up making a big run.

    Winning teams take care of business.

    Takeaway drought ends, but defense can’t keep up with offense’s giveaways
    Takeaway drought ends, but defense can’t keep up with offense’s giveaways
    “We all thought the game was over, but we have to finish better,” said Ravens outside linebacker Courtney Upshaw. “We kind of left Doom [Dumervil] out there alone. We can’t stop like that. We have to finish the game.”

    You’d figure that the Ravens learned from some of their mistakes earlier this season, but not this bunch. They had a lot of penalties again (nine for 121 yards). They had four turnovers, three of those from quarterback Joe Flacco, who is becoming Mr. Turnover this season.

    And after eight years in the league, Flacco still has problems securing the ball and throwing with accuracy. He often throws high, leaving his receivers vulnerable. If there are any questions, go ask Kamar Aiken.

    If that isn’t enough, the Ravens secondary continues to struggle, and if they had played against a strong-armed quarterback Sunday they would have given up more than 300 yards and four touchdown passes.

    Ravens suffer brutal 22-20 loss on 53-yard field goal with no time left
    Ravens suffer brutal 22-20 loss on 53-yard field goal with no time left
    Very little has changed since the season opener. They still can’t find a consistent punt returner and they lack discipline. They don’t have enough playmakers and the killer instinct is gone.

    How many times did the Ravens run pass patterns two or three yards short of the first-down marker Sunday? On a third-and-9 from the Jaguars’ 47 with two minutes left in the game, the Ravens threw a 4-yard pass to running back Buck Allen, and then punted.

    If they had gotten the first down the game was over, because Jacksonville had no timeouts remaining. At 2-6, what did the Ravens have to lose? Instead, Jacksonville got the ball at their own 20 with 1:06 left against one of the worst pass defenses in the league.

    That’s a loser’s mentality. Regardless of winning or losing, it’s starting to set in. Bad teams like Jacksonville don’t get extra opportunities.

    “You have to get that first down, but obviously you want to keep the clock running and leave them as little time as possible,” Flacco said. “That’s always a debate.”

    It’s really not open to discussion.

    “We’re just not the type of team that’s finding ways to win right now,” Flacco said. “At the end of the day, we’re not good enough. It shows up in your record.”

    It really showed up against the Jaguars, a league doormat for years. In Bortles, Jacksonville has a quarterback who stares down receivers and often doesn’t give them a chance to make plays in the end zone. When he did throw nice passes, his receivers dropped them.

    Jacksonville has a secondary that is worse than the Ravens’, a group of misfits who apparently haven’t met a tight end they can cover. At one point Sunday, a Jacksonville assistant coach was screaming from the press box at cornerback Davon House, who had failed to cover receiver Jeremy Butler.

    And yet Jacksonville, which had just 258 yards of total offense compared to 397 for the Ravens, won. If the Ravens had been victorious, they had a favorable schedule coming up with the St. Louis Rams next week followed by the Cleveland Browns on Monday night football.

    Both of those teams lost Sunday, but who cares at this point? I’ve seen enough. The Ravens lost to Jacksonville. At this point of the season we’re often looking to see if the Ravens have gotten better and if they can make a deep run into the playoffs.

    Not this year. A winning season will be hard to obtain at this point.

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    Ravens seem near breaking point

    Mike Preston

    http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/bs-sp-preston-ravens-column-1117-20151121-column.html

    This is when players question coaches and coaches question players. It’s the breaking point for the Ravens.

    There are various stages for a team during an NFL season, and the Ravens are at their breaking point.

    If they had beaten the Jacksonville Jaguars Sunday to win a second consecutive game, maybe that could have served as a turning point. But they are past that stage now.

    In the 22-20 loss, there were signs of a team falling apart, including numerous penalties, a lack of discipline and poor coaching, all of which led to a very quiet and frustrated locker room after the game.

    The Ravens have lost a lot of games this season, but this one was devastating because it came in the final seconds against one of the NFL’s perennial losers.

    NFL admits officials erred in final seconds of Ravens’ loss to Jaguars
    NFL admits officials erred in final seconds of Ravens’ loss to Jaguars
    “It’s a tough loss, man. I’ve never lost one like this before,” said Ravens running back Justin Forsett, a former Jaguar.

    “It’s heartbreaking,” Ravens outside linebacker Elvis Dumervil said.

    To a man, the Ravens said they would bounce back and play hard like they’ve done every game this season, but these types of losses don’t just hurt. They eat at your soul and fester for a while. Some teams recover, but a lot don’t, especially when they fall out of playoff contention.

    Will the Ravens become the 2015 version of the Cleveland Browns, a team that folds early every season? Or have they hit the proverbial rock bottom, which means the only way to go is up?

    “That’s one thing I’m not worried about. Throughout this whole year, the adversity we’ve faced, we’ve always come to work and practiced harder than any other team I’ve played with,” Forsett said. “The guys are involved in trying to grow each week. We’re going to stay together; we’re going to fight. We’re Ravens. We’re going to be relentless, and we’re going to go out every game and prepare to win.”

    Five up, five down after the Ravens’ 22-20 loss to Jacksonville
    Five up, five down after the Ravens’ 22-20 loss to Jacksonville
    That sounds good in theory, but the Ravens are struggling for answers and not finding any. With every loss there is more doubt about the schemes and the players, as well as the coaches. You can sense there is frustration about the offense.

    When some players are asked about the offense now, you are getting answers like: “I don’t call plays, I just do my job,” or “those types of decisions are above my pay grade.”

    Really. That’s a bad sign.

    So was the Ravens’ decision to throw a 4-yard pass into the right flat to running back Buck Allen with two minutes left in the game instead of trying to get nine yards for a first down that would have sealed the victory.

    That is a loser’s mentality. It was so unlike Ravens coach John Harbaugh, who always stays in attack mode. It was a sign of panic, of a team in desperation.

    Mike Preston grades the Ravens in their loss to the Jaguars
    Mike Preston grades the Ravens in their loss to the Jaguars
    Against Arizona a couple of weeks ago, we saw an offense that lacked direction in the final two minutes against the Cardinals. And Sunday, we saw a defense that started to celebrate one play too early.

    You have to question some coaching at this point. Why does offensive coordinator Marc Trestman continue to run pass plays where the receiver consistently comes up four-to-five yards short of the first down marker?

    Are the Ravens so desperate on defense now that they need to play untested linebacker Arthur Brown and try cornerback Lardarius Webb at safety? Or are they making plans for the future?

    Some of these things are puzzling, but not as baffling as the Ravens having nine men on the field to return a punt with about four minutes left in the game Sunday.

    Let’s face it, this Ravens team is historically bad
    Let’s face it, this Ravens team is historically bad
    These things shouldn’t be happening in game No. 9. So, this is a time when coaches question players and players question coaches. It always happens with losing teams, especially after close losses.

    The Ravens have some leaders on this team, but not enough to fill the void left by injured players Steve Smith Sr. and Terrell Suggs. Maybe Smith would have told fullback Kyle Juszczyk to stay in bounds after his catch late in the game, or maybe Suggs would have told his teammates to keep hustling until the final whistle.

    The NFL acknowledged Monday that officials blew the call on the play before the field goal because the Jaguars weren’t set. They should have been penalized, which would have resulted in a 10-second runoff and ended the game.

    But those things happen to losing teams. Good teams make plays and don’t allow themselves to be put in that position at the end of games against bad teams like Jacksonville. Harbaugh has done a good job of getting his team mentally ready to play every week, but that was to be expected as long as the Ravens could possibly make the playoffs.

    Jeremy Ross’ ball security issues forcing Ravens to make decision
    Jeremy Ross’ ball security issues forcing Ravens to make decision
    But those dreams faded a lot Sunday. When that goal is gone, sometimes veteran players stop playing hard and assistant coaches don’t put as much into the game plan.

    This team has always had a strong work ethic, going back to the days of coach Ted Marchibroda from 1996 to 1998, but those teams had a breaking point, too.

    This is uncharted territory for Harbaugh, who is in his eighth season as Ravens coach. He better get them redirected soon, because a lot of teams don’t survive their breaking point.

    They just break.

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    The Martz interview is very interesting, very good. I think a “must listen.”

    from off the net

    Merlin

    as always I enjoy hearing what he has to say and this most recent stream was no different. One thing he mentioned that I felt was noteworthy was that he was not a fan of having the QB making protection calls and checking to other plays because he wants to make things as simple as possible for him to focus on getting the ball to the open receiver quickly with accuracy. Of course that really got me thinking of how the Rams are currently doing things and whether that type of approach might be something that could help them.

    Some other stuff I enjoyed was him mentioning how they blindfolded Kitna and had him throw a route with 8/10 completions in practice simply to press home the point of timing and the WR being where they need to be. The attention to detail he discussed on route running, the receiver being exactly where he had to be at exactly the right moment is something that I think this offense is lacking.

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    ON FOLES

    no ability to make throws off balance.

    Foles arm limitations become very apparent when he throws under duress.

    Tendency to let too much air get under intermediate throws.

    Foles isn’t leaving throws on the field so much…he just is not executing on the challenged throws.

    BRIGHT SIDE…THE DTs

    Donald best initial movement of any NFL DT.

    Fairley had by far his best game of the season. Flashed throughout, looked markedly quicker.

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    Team makes multiple moves to fill out roster

    Joe Lyons

    http://www.stltoday.com/sports/football/professional/rams-report/rams-report-team-makes-multiple-moves-to-fill-out-roster/article_f2ff5792-2fa7-5608-be6c-59a60641955c.html

    Another busy day in Earth City as the Rams made a number of roster moves and may have more in the works as they prepare for Sunday’s noon game in Baltimore against the Ravens.

    After moving rookie offensive linemen Jamon Brown (lower-leg fracture) and Darrell Williams (dislocated wrist) on season-ending IR and promoting rookie Isaiah Battle from the practice squad, the team signed former Hazelwood Central product Brian Folkerts, a guard/center, off the San Francisco practice squad.

    Battle, a 6-foot-7, 290-pound rookie out of Clemson, was selected by the Rams in the fifth round of the supplemental draft last July.

    Folkerts, 25, is a third-year pro out of Washburn (Kan.) University.

    The Rams also claimed center Eric Kush, another center/guard, off waivers. A third-year pro, he was released on Monday by the Houston Texans.

    To fill a spot on the 53-man roster, the Rams released defensive tackle Doug Worthington, who may return as a practice squad player after clearing waivers.

    In a pair of practice squad moves made Tuesday, the Rams released defensive end Gerald Rivers and signed guard David Arkin, a third-year pro from Missouri State.

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    Yeah I know.

    Sigh.

    .

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    You know Zack I don’t know what to make of any of this.

    Personally? I am reserving judgement for a few games to see what’s going on.

    In the meanwhile, my half-formed theory is that without Quinn and Long, the DEs were contained, and when that happens, the Rams defense isn’t as good, and when THAT happens, there is more pressure on the offense, and when THAT happens, the recent post-GB game Foles just plain self-destructs.

    But we’ll see.

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    This article just repeats the press conferences from 11/17 so I put it here.

    Practice Report 11/17: Keenum’s First Session

    By Myles Simmons

    http://www.stlouisrams.com/news-and-events/article-practicereport/Practice-Report-1117-Keenums-First-Session/0d9f1389-dffb-4a1a-a8f8-d856c14f20f2

    The Rams will have a different look under center when they play the Ravens in Baltimore this weekend, as Case Keenum takes over at starting quarterback. And after Tuesday’s practice — his first as QB 1 — it was clear how much Keenum relishes his new opportunity.

    “I’m excited for my chance, I really am,” Keenum said. “I’m excited to go out there and compete again. You don’t get many chances to play in this league. I definitely count it as a blessing, and to get a second chance to come out and compete is incredible.”

    Having been with St. Louis for much of last season, Keenum had plenty of familiarity with offensive coordinator Frank Cignetti prior to the trade that brought him back from Houston in March. That’s helped him this season in gaining comfort in the offense, even as things have changed within it.

    “Cig and I spent a lot of time last year together — being the third guy, the practice squad guy for the last half of the season — just talking ball,” Keenum said. “I think as a quarterback, you want to be on the same page as your coordinator, see the defense with the same set of eyes. And I think we do.”

    Because of that, head coach Jeff Fisher said the Rams do not have to pare down much with the playbook in order to get Keenum ready for Sunday. They will, however, make some adjustments based on what Keenum really likes.

    “We made some minor adjustments in the plan just because there’s some things that he sees and sees a little differently than Nick [Foles] and [that] they prefer,” Fisher said. “It’s all good. All it does is, hopefully, translates into first downs.”

    While Fisher has said the Rams may take advantage of Keenum’s mobility, the quarterback conceded he’d rather throw the ball than just run it himself all the time.

    “I try to find the open guy and get the ball out of my hands and into the fast guys’ hands — that tends to work better, when I’m not holding it and they’ve got it in their hands,” Keenum said. “You know the talent we have in this locker room — you’ve seen it every Sunday. That’s my job.”

    “I think that Case has shown that he can extend plays — scramble around, extend plays and make throws down the field,” Fisher said. “So, yeah, there are some things that we can do a little bit differently. But, it all starts with the run game and our ability to protect him.”

    And when Keenum does throw it, he’ll have to be on the same page as his receivers. Getting the timing down between a new quarterback and pass catchers can be tough in the middle of the season, but Keenum does have experiences with his teammates to draw upon.

    “I got a lot of reps with these guys during the preseason,” Keenum said. “They rotated receivers in and out, so I’ve seen every practice rep and everything that’s happened around here the whole time.”

    “I think it always takes time — chemistry always takes time,” Keenum added. “That’s why we practice and go out there and play. The more you play and practice, the more experience you’ll get and that’s priceless.”

    While he hasn’t started a regular-season game for the Rams, Keenum has gone against the Ravens. He started the Texans’ Week 15 contest against Baltimore last year, helping lead Houston to a 25-13 victory.

    “It helps and it doesn’t,” Keenum said. “It’s previous years. It’s a new team, it’s a new opponent. There’s good and bad things to that.”

    As a backup, Keenum said he’s done his best to prepare each week as if he would get in the game. It’s the way it must be done, as the No. 2 quarterback is always one play away from becoming No. 1. But Keenum admitted this week is a little different.

    “You may dot a few more ‘I’s or cross a few more ‘T’s when you’re thinking about the plan,” Keenum said. “I try to prepare and be the most mentally ready that I can be every time I step on the practice field. Now, instead of sitting back there visualizing it and doing fake reps on air, I get the real reps, which is a lot better.”

    Keenum said he felt a bevy of emotions after receiving the news he’d be starting from Fisher on Monday. On one hand, he was glad to get his shot. But on the other, Foles has become a close friend.

    “We’ve been fighting hard to play the best that our position can play, and I have the utmost respect for Nick,” Keenum said. “That’s the first person I talked to after coach Fisher told us. We have a great relationship and I have his back no matter what.”

    The same can be said from Foles’ perspective, as he reiterated how close the two have become and his team-first mentality on Tuesday.

    “I love Case to death,” Foles said. “He’s one of my favorite people in the world, so I’m going to be right there to support him every step of the way and help him in any way possible.”

    “I care a lot about my teammates,” Foles added, “so I’m going to do everything I can to prepare this week to help Case and help my teammates to get a win this week.”

    The shift will be an adjustment for those around the quarterback as well, including running back Todd Gurley.

    “It’s definitely a change,” Gurley said. “It kind of just popped up on us, but it’s something that we’ve dealt with in the past — whether it’s vets or me from changing quarterbacks in college.

    “We believe in Case,” Gurley continued. “He’s a good quarterback, so we’ll see how that goes.”

    With his teammates behind him, Keenum is looking forward to taking the next step in his NFL journey.

    “I’ve been on a lot of sides of the quarterback position in this business,” Keenum said. “I’ve been named the starter after a guy gets injured or whatever it is. I’ve been a backup for a while, been replaced as a starter. I’ve been a No. 4 on one team and then started the next week with another team.”

    “I’ve kind of been through it all,” Keenum continued. “You have to be ready when you get a chance, and I’m ready.”

    ROSTER MOVES

    Aside from the switch at quarterback, the Rams made a few roster moves to bolster the depth of their offensive line.

    As Fisher previously announced would be the case, rookies Jamon Brown and Darrell Williams were placed on injured reserve on Tuesday. Isaiah Battle was also promoted from the practice squad to the active roster.

    The Rams added two additional offensive linemen to the active roster as well. The first, Brian Folkerts is a St. Louis-area native and was signed off the 49ers’ practice squad. The second, Eric Kush, was claimed off waivers from Houston.

    “[Folkerts] was really excited to come here and go down the street and live with mom and dad, I guess. So, that worked out good for us,” Fisher said. “Then, yesterday afternoon, the Texans waived Eric Kush. Eric’s got some center ability, some great feet. So, we claimed him today off the waiver wire. So, that was good and we’re moving people around.”

    To make room on the 53-man roster, St. Louis waived defensive tackle Doug Worthington.

    On the practice squad, the Rams released defensive end Gerald Rivers and added guard David Arkin.

    Fisher said more moves may be coming as the week continues.

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    The Martz interview is very interesting, very good. I think a “must listen.”

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    Balzer says, this roster bonus is not guaranteed. Who is right? We can only wait and see. imo

    Yeah I just wrote about this in another thread without seeing this first.

    Maybe interesting, maybe Balzer’s wrong.

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    Everything is guaranteed, except the two highlighted boxes. Foles is here next year unless he is traded. imo

    Intriguingly, Balzer said the roster bonus in 2016 is not guaranteed.

    I know over.the.cap says it IS guaranteed.

    Balzer could be wrong in this case of course but he kind of is a cap guy, or has been.

    Meanwhile JT repeats that it IS. So maybe non-issue.

    http://theramshuddle.com/topic/jt-chat-1117/

    Foles has a $6 million roster bonus due next March that already is guaranteed. in addition, $2 million worth of unamortized signing bonus would count against the cap if he’s cut. So it sure doesn’t look like that’s going to happen.

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    Injuries force Rams to go (offensive) line dancing

    Nick Wagoner

    http://espn.go.com/blog/st-louis-rams/post/_/id/23755/injuries-force-rams-to-go-offensive-line-dancing

    EARTH CITY, Mo. — Lost in the midst of coach Jeff Fisher’s announcement that the St. Louis Rams are making a change at quarterback was the news that his team lost not one, but two, offensive linemen to injury for the rest of the season — on the same play.

    With 4:14 to go in Sunday’s 37-13 loss to the Chicago Bears, quarterback Nick Foles threw an interception to Bears linebacker Willie Young. On the ensuing return, guard Jamon Brown suffered a fractured lower leg and tackle Darrell Williams went down with a dislocated wrist.

    Brown had to be taken off on a cart. Williams played the final five snaps with the injured wrist. By Sunday night, it was clear that both required surgery and will have to go on season-ending injured reserve.

    “Coincidentally, it happened on the same play, both injuries happened on the interception return,” Fisher said. “So [Williams will] be lost for the remainder of the season as well.”

    That means the Rams will have to do some major shuffling on the offensive line this week. Brown and Williams will head to injured reserve and Fisher acknowledged Monday that tackle Isaiah Battle will be promoted from the practice squad to take one spot.

    “From a conditioning standpoint and a lower body strength and overall strength standpoint, he’s much further ahead than he was when he got here,” Fisher said. “He wasn’t in good shape when he got here for obvious reasons and so we had to get him in shape. He’s done a really good job in the weight room. He has a much better feel for what we’re doing. He’s got really long arms. He’s athletic. So, I spoke with him today. He’s a snap away from playing.”

    The Rams will scour the free-agent market and, presumably, other practice squads to fill the other vacancy.

    “We’re discussing stuff with our pro scouting department to see what our options are to get some depth in here and potentially some practice squad help,” Fisher said.

    In more promising injury news, right tackle Robert Havenstein’s calf injury isn’t as bad as the Rams initially feared. Fisher said he’s considered day-to-day, but it’s uncertain what his status will be this week against Baltimore.

    So while Battle and someone else will fill the two open roster spots, the Rams will have to do some shuffling on the offensive line. Fisher declined to offer specifics on how the Rams will line up but it’s safe to assume if Havenstein can’t play this week that rookie guards Andrew Donnal and Cody Wichmann would step in to the guard spots with left guard Garrett Reynolds moving over to right tackle.

    If Havenstein can play, the Rams would be able to leave Reynolds at left guard and have to choose between Donnal and Wichmann for the right guard spot. Fisher said Demetrius Rhaney is viewed as the primary backup on the interior.

    “Well, Andrew got to play last week,” Fisher said. “He got to start and played the whole game, so that’s valuable experience. Now, as we move forward, it looks like they’re both going to play. I mean, I’ve been pleased with Cody. Cody missed some time with the calf injury during camp, but since then, Coach [Paul] ‘Bou’s [Boudreau] getting him reps and he knows what to do — big, strong guy who can pull and can pass protect. So we’ll see.”

    For an offensive line that entered the season with a litany of questions, the list has only gotten longer.[

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    Keenum now front and center as Rams QB

    Jim Thomas

    http://www.stltoday.com/sports/football/professional/keenum-now-front-and-center-as-rams-qb/article_6736f72e-226b-51ea-80fb-5fe947a83e31.html

    Backup quarterbacks don’t do many interviews, so with a sense for the moment, Case Keenum spelled out his name — first and last — for the assemblage of reporters Tuesday at Rams Park.

    “In case you were wondering,” he said, smiling.

    And when backup quarterbacks do in fact get interviewed, the PR staff doesn’t hurriedly put up a team backdrop behind them. As of Monday, however, Keenum no longer is the backup quarterback. So yes, he got the full backdrop treatment for his media session following Tuesday’s practice.

    Welcome to the backdrop, Case.

    “Yeah, I made it,” Keenum said. “Is this where I stand?”

    The Rams certainly hope Keenum knows where to stand Sunday in Baltimore. They need him to stand tall in the pocket — all 6-1 of him. And when that’s impossible, they hope he can use his legs to maneuver out of trouble and help rescue their 31st-ranked offense and 32nd-ranked passing game.

    “I’m ready,” Keenum said. “I’ve been prepared, and that’s what I do every week is I get ready to play. I’m excited for my chance. I really am. I’m excited to go out there and compete again.

    “You don’t get many chances to play in this league. I definitely count it as a blessing, and to have a second chance to come out and compete is incredible.”

    Actually, it’s more than a second chance. If the former University of Houston Cougar were a cat, he’d be well on his way to nine lives. bouncing on and off the rosters — both 53-man and practice squad — of the Houston Texans and Rams since entering the league in 2012. He has been cut, signed, traded, promoted, demoted.

    “I’ve been on a lot of sides of the quarterback position in this business,” Keenum said. “I’ve been named the starter after a guy that gets injured. Been a backup now for while. Been replaced as a starter.

    “I’ve been a No. 4 guy on one team, and then starting the next week for another team. So I’ve kinda been through it all.”

    So he can empathize with what Nick Foles, the man he has replaced in the starting lineup, is going through.

    “Nick’s one of my best friends,” Keenum said. “I have the utmost respect for Nick. That’s the first person I talked to after Coach Fisher told us (about the QB switch). We have a great relationship and I have his back no matter what.

    “Nobody cares more about this team, loves the guys on this team, respects the guys on this team more. … Just one of the best guys I know.”

    As an example, Keenum said Foles gave the squad an impassioned speech at the team meeting Saturday night on the eve of the Chicago game.

    “It moved me,” Keenum said. “One of the best I ever heard pregame. Everybody in this locker room knows how much he cares about this team, and nobody has a doubt in him as a player or a person.”

    But it’s the Keenum show now. Whether the Rams make something of this season or fall short of the playoffs for the 11th consecutive season, depends largely on whether he can provide a spark to the offense.

    It’s a tall task considering Keenum had yet to take even a regular-season practice snap with the starting offense — not one — until this week. That’s in nearly 1½ seasons with the Rams. In theory, he knows the playbook as well as anyone at Rams Park. Now he must apply that knowledge in “real life” if you will.

    “I try to visualize when I’m not playing,” Keenum said. “I try to prepare like I am (playing). My routine is quite similar. I try to prepare and be the most mentally ready that I can be every time I step on the practice field.

    “Now, instead of sitting back there visualizing it, doing fake reps on air, I get the real reps. Which is a whole lot better than sitting back there ‘on air’ doing that.”

    Keenum already has a good rapport with offensive coordinator Frank Cignetti, dating back to last season.

    “We talked a lot of ball,” Keenum said. “Not even our offense last year; just kind of ball in general. So kinda getting on the same page with him. We think a lot alike.”

    They spent a lot of time working together last year before games — just Cignetti and Keenum out on the field early working some individual stuff on game days. When a quarterback can see the game plan and see the opposing defense through the coordinator’s eyes, that’s a good first step.

    “What we liked about Case is the game’s not too fast for him,” Cignetti said during camp. “He processes information very well. Very smart. He’s a rhythmic passer. Very accurate.”

    Fisher liked what he saw of Keenum so much that he traded a seventh-rounder to Houston to get him back last March after the Texans had signed him off the Rams’ practice squad last December.

    “What we saw in Case here on the practice field was special,” Fisher said. “His instincts, his mobility, his arm strength, his anticipation. Mind you, it was just practice, it was running scout team.

    “When he got to go two-minute against the defense, it was there. And he’s won games. He’s proven it. He’s won games in Houston with a team that had significant injuries around him, and found ways to win games.

    “So we’re gonna trust his mobility, and his ability to extend plays and things, and just give us an offensive spark that we need.”

    Part of the challenge is establishing as much chemistry and rapport with the starting receivers as possible in a compressed time frame. Keenum hasn’t thrown much to the Rams top receivers since training camp.

    “I’ve seen Case ball before,” tight end Jared Cook said. “He brings a pretty good change-up into the lineup. Runs a little bit. Different trajectory on the ball, the way it comes out. He’s a little bit shorter than Nick. So we’ll see.”[

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    It looks to me like 2014 is the exception or outlier , Chip Kelly’s offense before the rest of the NFL caught. Foles never was that guy. imo

    I think you’re thinking of 2013.

    2014 is more the guy I would expect if he rights himself.

    I agree that 2013 is the outlier.

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    Mod moment.

    Some of these belong more in the thread about Foles so I moved em.

    http://theramshuddle.com/topic/qb-change/#post-34280

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    Many people who were against the trade said there were flaws with Foles’ game, but there was nothing that could have predicted this complete futility.

    Foles as a rookie for Reid. Why is he worse now?

    It would be interesting to find out how much shotgun he played in for Reid. I believe he was all shotgun in college and certainly was all shotgun with Kelly.

    So I think it’s telling that Fisher in effect says he still has to learn the offense.

    I don’t think he means the playbook. I think he means executing the offense in real time with real bullets while dropping back from center.

    A lot of that was new to him. To me he looked unconfident and overwhelmed. If he gets back to his Philly 2014 level he will be of course better than he was in his last 5 games. But that again may be rhythm, feeling comfortable, executing etc. while dropping back from center. ‘

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    from nfl.com

    Overview

    Keenum has been one of the most highly productive quarterbacks in college football history, setting the record for overall pass yardage in a career. If numbers were pure projections to the next level, Keenum would be the undisputed top pick. Unfortunately for him, his height might limit him as he moves to the next level. It’s obvious that Keenum is an accurate and prolific passer working from inside the pocket. How that production translates to the NFL is the big question.

    Analysis

    Strengths Keenum had an ungodly amount of production while at Houston. He is a good, mechanical thrower who makes quick decisions within the scheme. He understands how to read defenses and pick his spots in zones. He is an accurate thrower who puts good touch on his throws to lead his receivers. He is good to extend the play and work outside the pocket.

    Weaknesses Keenum is an undersized prospect, which hurts his value. Like Russell Wilson, he will need to show he can throw effectively from the pocket. He also could be considered the product of an effective, high-octane collegiate spread offense

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    Here are Foles’s first 4 games

    70/111 63.1% 815 yards 5 TDs 1 INT 96.5 rating

    Here are his last 5 games

    75/145 51.7 % 863 yards 2 TDs 5 INT 60.2

    What has perplexed me is who is the real Foles? Now, the drops were WORSE in the first 4 games than they have been the last 5 at least going by memory, the Kendricks drop stands out.

    Maybe some are sure that the last 5 games is the “real” Foles . . . but the first 4 were more like he was in Philly

    What happened?

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