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znModeratorPoint taken though. Earlier
in the year folks were arguing
that A.Rogers THE greatest QB of ALL TIME.
Not so much this last month.He stepped up this game though, and so did the GB OL. Cousins didn’t.
znModeratorWord on Green Bay is that they not only miss Nelson, their OL has been very banged up. When guys are not out, they’re playing with injuries, and it looks out of sync. It’s like the 2014 Rams in that regard.
Washington, on the other hand, relies on its OL as a team strength, and their line is pretty healthy.
It’s the old story, and it’s why Cousins looks good and Rodgers doesn’t.
znModeratorI see that the Vikings handed back an unwanted win to Seattle.
It all comes down to making plays. Or, making them when you need them.
I am the one who came up with that cliche btw…so you heard it here first.
znModeratorLots of great OLinemen.
I;ve said this before but it bears repeating.
There is at least one Ram lineman in the pro bowl every single season from 1967 until 1990. That’s 24 consecutive years and 12 different players. In fact the 68 line had 4 pro bowlers, as did the 78 line and the 85 line.
znModeratorI have never seen an ending like the Steelers/Bengals game before. Absolute stupidity by the Bengals.
They handed the game to the Steelers.
Unbelieveable.
ProFootballTalk @ProFootballTalk
The Bengals can only blame themselves for: (1) having so many hotheads on the team and (2) failing to control them.Mike Cardano @MikeCardano
The #Bengals are the prison team from the longest yard….Raymond Summerlin @RMSummerlin
The entire state of Ohio shall henceforth be known as the Factory of Sadness.Louis Riddick @LRiddick
Embarrassing way for a professional football game to end. Stupid. #PITvsCINJake Ciely @allinkid
This is one of the reasons teams didn’t want to take chance on Burfict. Goes back to Arizona State daysMichael Fabiano @Michael_Fabiano
One of the most memorable playoff games ever … And for all the wrong reasons.znModeratorSteelers saved by Bengals’ penalties
AP
The Bengals lost their minds.
As a result, the Bengals lost another playoff game.
What looked like was going to be an improbable Bengals’ comeback instead became an improbable Bengals’ meltdown. The Bengals fumbled with 1:36 to go, and even then the Steelers only set up the game-winning field goal after Vontaze Burfict was flagged for a personal foul on a hit on Antonio Brown, then Adam Jones also was flagged 15 yards after he contacted an official in the aftermath.
That set up an easy field goal for Chris Boswell, his fourth, and the Steelers escaped with an 18-16 win.
What was a defensive battle for two and a half quarters turned into a wild game full of big hits, big plays and key injuries. The Bengals took the lead on a 25-yard touchdown pass from A.J. McCarron to A.J. Green with 1:50 left, then Burfict picked off Landry Jones on the Steelers’ next play.
The Bengals’ Jeremy Hill fumbled it back, and Ben Roethlisberger replaced Jones. Roethlisberger had been carted to the locker room after landing on shoulder on a sack by Burfict on the last play of the third quarter.
Bengals Coach Marvin Lewis is now 0-7 in the postseason. The Bengals needed only to protect the ball before Hill’s fumble, and still then only lost after the inexcusable penalties.
znModeratorIf you want to go , they can’t give the tickets away,nobody wants to sit in the cold for 3 hours.
Yeah, for that, better off just seeing The Revenant.
January 9, 2016 at 10:27 pm in reply to: Kroenke Building Stadium No Matter What (relocation thread) #36896znModeratorSt. Louis stadium plan inadequate, NFL won’t step in to block Rams move, report says
David Hunn
ST. LOUIS • The proposed riverfront stadium plan here is inadequate, and will not require the National Football League to block the St. Louis Rams from moving to Los Angeles, Commissioner Roger Goodell said Saturday in a report to team owners.
Goodell concludes that city leaders in all three of the communities hoping to keep their teams — Oakland, San Diego and St. Louis — have missed their opportunity, said a person who has read the report and spoke to the Post-Dispatch on condition of anonymity.
The report, sent Saturday morning to all 32 team owners, does not approve a Rams move to Los Angeles, the source said; NFL owners still have to vote on team relocation.
But it suggests that all three teams have satisfied the NFL’s relocation guidelines, opening a clear path for the owners to choose the Rams — the only team that could have been barred this year by a hometown effort. Oakland has not submitted a formal proposal, and San Diego’s plan is contingent on a public vote this summer.
The report is also a signal that NFL executives expect owners to vote on relocation at a league meeting Tuesday and Wednesday in Houston.
Saturday evening, an NFL spokesman confirmed that Goodell had sent the report, and that the action is prescribed in the league’s relocation guidelines, but said the NFL had no further comment.
Dave Peacock, co-chairman of the state task force planning the $1.1 billion riverfront stadium in St. Louis, said that he had heard the news, but hadn’t seen the report, and wouldn’t comment. “I’d be responding to a rumor,” he said.
A statement sent by the task force later Saturday evening said that members do not expect to see the report, “as that would be a matter between the league office and team owners.”
“We do hope the NFL will communicate with all home markets as to their status prior to any decisions next week,” the task force statement continued, “particularly here in St. Louis, where so many people have dedicated themselves over the past 14 months to producing a strong and certain stadium proposal for the NFL and our hometown Rams.”
The task force said it remained confident that its proposal would “speak extremely well on behalf of St. Louis as the NFL deliberates next week.”
Goodell’s report, according to the person who had read it, is 48 pages and examines what the NFL sees as the facts of each hometown’s proposal to build a new stadium and keep their teams.
Goodell says in the report that city leaders in each town agree that their current stadiums don’t work. And each city had “ample opportunity, but did not develop proposals sufficient to ensure retention of their teams,” the source said, citing the report.
In St. Louis’ case, Goodell says the task force’s riverfront stadium plan is uncertain. The Missouri Legislature could block payment of bonds necessary to build the facility, the report notes. And the task force asked for $300 million in league stadium funding, $100 million “in excess of the maximum provided under current policy,” the source said, again citing the report.
Goodell said in the report that the Rams have the right to relocate, as a contingent of their lease with the Edward Jones Dome, the source said. The Dome authority, a public body, failed to meet requirements of the lease, the source said, and defaulted.
In addition, Goodell’s report declares that both Los Angeles plans — Rams owner Stan Kroenke’s Inglewood stadium, and the Raiders’ and Chargers’ joint venture in Carson — are “first class stadiums,” the source said. Both can host two teams; both are ready for development now.
And NFL market research supports the conclusion that the L.A. area is capable of supporting two teams, the source continued.
Goodell also notes in the report, the source said, that the league hasn’t approved a franchise relocation in nearly two decades, and continues to place a “high value” on team stability.
January 9, 2016 at 10:54 am in reply to: Bucs fire Lovie, Coughlin resigns, which naturally leads to Fisher discussion #36876znModeratorFoles is not that bad
Yes Foles is that bad.
And the coaching is certainly not so bad that it would turn a good qb into a one THAT bad by itself. In fact, that would be historical level bad coaching, worse even than the Linehan years.
Foles melted down. It was visible. It was openly there to see. Had nothing to do with coaching.
January 9, 2016 at 9:28 am in reply to: Bucs fire Lovie, Coughlin resigns, which naturally leads to Fisher discussion #36867znModeratorMy view is it’s been misstep after misstep.
Yeah we just differ. My view is, if they had a qb none of that stuff would matter (and I don’t agree with your take on some of it.) When you have very little margin of error the errors get magnified.
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znModeratorhere’s zero guarantee he
is on “the road to recovery.”Maybe it;s not as bad as you think.
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Can a Doctor reply to this? I don’t think it’s a disaster. Quinn’s description sounds like a bulging disk. And “band aid” operation means it was a simple 30 minute laproscopic procedure to remove the bulging material. No muscle is cut.
Usually the results are fine.
What happens is that depending on where the bulge is (and it sounds like it was either sacral or lumbar) it causes pain to shoot down one leg. Then there is a weakening of that leg due to the body’s automatic response to the pain.
Once that is relieved, then at first it is rest, and then strengthening the lower back and core muscles. And then a restrengthening of the affected leg can happen because the pain and thus the automatic pain response is gone.
I think this is what happened with Gronkowski and his back. And that turned out fine (which, from what I know, is the reasonable expectation).
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I will pass along that Kansas City NT Dontari Poe underwent disc surgery in July and didn’t miss a game this season, and was playing pretty good football by October, about the time that it was initially estimated that he would return to action. Not every back surgery is a disc surgery, so it’s not necessarily indicative of Quinn’s recovery period. Just sayin’. Just saying “back surgery” isn’t the kiss of death.
January 8, 2016 at 5:08 pm in reply to: Kroenke Building Stadium No Matter What (relocation thread) #36852znModeratorI found it on the PD board.
Speaking of which. Here’s the St. Louis NFL Stadium Task Force response.
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Task force calls Kroenke’s claims to NFL ‘unprecedented, personal, groundless’David Hunn
ST. LOUIS • Gov. Jay Nixon’s riverfront stadium task force long expected owner Stan Kroenke to file with the National Football League to move his St. Louis Rams to Los Angeles.
But the content of that application, the task force said in a five-page response sent to the league and every NFL owner, surprised the co-chairmen.
“We were not prepared,” they wrote in the letter released on Friday, “for the cruel attack and false claims made by our local team owner to his League peers, in an attempt to punish and embarrass St. Louis — a city whose residents and businesses have loyally supported the Rams for more than two decades.”
The task force’s letter digs into the data Kroenke used to justify his request to move, and denies nearly every major point the billionaire real estate developer leveled at St. Louis, from inadequate riverfront stadium cash flows to Kroenke’s community engagement to his claim that the region can’t support three professional sports teams.
Moreover, the letter says, Kroenke’s “style” was “unprecedented, personal, groundless and unbecoming of a steward representing what we feel is the greatest professional sports league in the world.”
Representatives from the NFL confirmed on Friday receipt of the letter, but declined to comment. A Rams executive could not immediately be reached.
Kroenke’s relocation application, released Tuesday following a request from the Post-Dispatch, ignited latent anger in football fans and officials across the region. County Executive Steve Stenger called Kroenke’s proposal “demonstrably preposterous.” Nixon scoffed that the region couldn’t support three teams. Mayor Francis Slay said Kroenke has long been “absent and unavailable.”
Media and fans alike began picking apart the application’s claims.
But the letter the task force emailed to the league and owners Thursday night is the first formal, point-by-point response to Kroenke’s proposal.
It first takes aim at Kroenke’s claim that no NFL team would be interested in the proposed new stadium here.
“We have no idea how the Rams estimated a negative cash flow of $7.5 million,” write task force co-chairmen Dave Peacock and Bob Blitz. “We calculate strong profitability in every year at the new stadium.”
Kroenke has refused to provide backup documentation to support the data in his proposal, the task force letter says. “We can only assume that the Rams are vastly haircutting revenue projections in St. Louis to make a case for relocation to the League,” the letter continues, “but this is misleading and unfair to St. Louis.”
Moreover, the proposed $400 million public investment, by the city of St. Louis and the state of Missouri, represents “the fifth highest public contribution in the history of the NFL,” the task force says.
The letter also claims that Kroenke misrepresented the arbitration of his lease on the Edward Jones Dome, where the Rams now play. Kroenke asserts that he has negotiated in good faith, over 12 “fruitless” years.
But the task force says otherwise: “The Rams have never engaged in any meaningful dialogue about their future in St. Louis beyond the initial term of the Rams’ lease, whether in the Edward Jones Dome or otherwise,” its letter says.
Kroenke’s discussions of the lease are just “attempts to hide the fact,” the letter continues, that the application doesn’t address all of the factors listed in the NFL’s relocation guidelines, including: the Rams have received “substantial” public financial support; the team has not incurred net operating losses; and a team is not “entitled” to move just so it can make more money in another market.
Finally, the task force argues that St. Louis is a “strong NFL market” and successfully supports three professional teams. It ranks 18th in metropolitan population, 16th in Fortune 500 companies, 14th in Fortune 1,000 companies and 18th in high-income households per stadium club seat.
The Rams’ struggles with attendance, the letter says, are due to “chronic lack of on-field success over the past decade.” The franchise has posted nine consecutive losing seasons, hasn’t made the playoffs since 2004, and claims the worst five-year record, 2007-2011, in league history.
And yet, the task force says, fans continued to support the team. And surveys show they will again, if given the chance.
The St. Louis Rams won 50 games in the last 10 years, the letter continues. The L.A. Rams won 71 over the team’s last decade there. “Yet football fans in St. Louis attended games in greater numbers than Los Angeles fans during those respective time periods,” the task force wrote, “despite St. Louis having a smaller economic market and a much smaller population.”
It’s unclear if NFL officials will review the task force letter, or consider it next week when owners meet — and, perhaps, vote — on the competing plans between the Rams and a two-team proposal by the San Diego Chargers and Oakland Raiders.
But the letter asks them to.
“We are available at all times for questions or comments,” it says. “Thank you for your time and consideration.”
January 8, 2016 at 5:03 pm in reply to: Kroenke Building Stadium No Matter What (relocation thread) #36851znModeratorOut of curiosity.
Where did you obtain that link/document?
Because the link is now dead.
I find that interesting. I don’t know what it means. But I find it interesting.
Oh, uh…nothing, you know…heh heh… say how about those Rams!
Anyway.
I found it on the PD board. 2 or 3 different guys separately posted a link to that. I have no idea where they got it…I guess I could find out.
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znModeratorRobert Quinn on road to recovery after back surgery
Nick Wagoner
EARTH CITY, Mo. — St. Louis Rams defensive end Robert Quinn has made a career of giving opposing quarterbacks a view of the ceiling.
So the irony isn’t lost on him that as he recovers from back surgery, Quinn’s growing used to that same position.
“I’m able to walk so I’m all right,” Quinn said. “I guess I’ll just look at the stars and relax, myself. [There’s] no [current] plan besides rest, just kick my feet up.”
Quinn’s 2015 season was the first abbreviated one in his five-year NFL career. He played in just eight games, though three of those came after he first started having the injury issues that would ultimately end his season. He finished with 21 tackles, five sacks and three forced fumbles and his absence as an edge rusher was undoubtedly a big blow to a defense that at one point had a legitimate shot to finish as a top-five unit.
According to Quinn, the variety of ailments he dealt with during the season left him searching for answers as he attempted to play through the pain. His issues were first noticeable during the team’s Week 6 bye, when he did not practice. In the weeks that followed, he showed up on the injury report with knee and hip problems before his back eventually got the better of him.
“I didn’t realize what it was until we really figured it out,” Quinn said. “I just thought I was getting old or slow or something. After time, I realized that my get-off didn’t seem as fast as it used to be, and of course we had other problems. It’s a frustrating situation that I technically never had [a football injury]. So it’s frustrating, but what can I do besides prepare for another run at it next year?”
And though Quinn wouldn’t describe the exact nature of the back injury, he said whatever it was yielded issues in his leg that were immediately solved by the surgery he had a few weeks ago.
“I’m able to get around, sit down more comfortable,” Quinn said. “It’s a lot of relief. It sucked the way it ended and just jumped on me, but I’ll deal with it and move on to next year.”
As with most back surgeries, it’s going to take some recovery time before Quinn is cleared to begin strenuous activities. As of this week, Quinn is still in the rest phase of his rehabilitation, which means no lifting weights or running, and a whole lot of relaxation.
Quinn doesn’t know when he will be cleared to do those things again and hinted that he’d miss a chunk of the offseason program, which usually begins in mid-April.
“You have got to talk to the trainers,” Quinn said. “I just listen to them. Whatever they tell me to do, I just follow their lead. Whenever they tell me I can go, I guess they’ll cut me loose.”
January 8, 2016 at 4:10 pm in reply to: Nick Foles & Case Keenum: 86 Passer Rating The Key To Rams Victories #36846znModeratorYes, I HATE passive constructions.
Just for general info, in case anyone is interested…passive constructions are when you have the object of the verb being acted upon instead of the subject acting through the verb.
So, passive = the ball was thrown
active = I threw the ballIt’s a phoney way of trying to sound all “official.”
So instead of saying “I used a cut-off of 86” you instead go “a cut-off of 86 was used.” (Sniff, harumph.)
It’s like listening to lazy royalty. “The soup has been found to be less than satisfactory” v. “hey…I didn’t like the soup.”
znModeratorIf you look at history, then I think it will be ~155 million. The figure given in this case is always purposely a bit on the low side. I read that somewhere and it was the case last year.
Plus as I read out there, the Rams have 2 M in carry-over from 2015.
January 8, 2016 at 3:23 pm in reply to: Nick Foles & Case Keenum: 86 Passer Rating The Key To Rams Victories #36840znModeratorFor the analysis of Nick Foles and Case Keenum, a base/cutoff point Passer Rating of 86.0 was used.
This is a parallel way of saying, if the Rams score 20+ points they win.
One other difference being, you are savvy enough to avoid pointless passive constructions.
To put that differently, in the article that was posted, passive constructions were used.
znModeratorJust go back and look at the Martz and Linehan era drafts
January 8, 2016 at 12:27 pm in reply to: Bucs fire Lovie, Coughlin resigns, which naturally leads to Fisher discussion #36827znModeratorFisher is what he is.
He’s a .500 coach.
I don’t agree with that. Calling Fisher a .500 coach ignores the shape of the actual record. His record worked this way, from the start: longish valleys of .500 or below, but always with a reason (like, moving from Houston with no home when they moved, or later, being hit by a combo of injuries plus cap issues). The valleys are followed by peaks of consecutive winning seasons. To me, just averaging that all together without making distinctions provides you with nothing but an empty abstraction.
Once again, it’s record v. context.
I will always be a context guy. IMO just looking at the record by itself tells you nothing.
Watching the Rams the last couple of years tells me that if they had A qb (any decent starting qb) they would have won more games in 2014 and 2015. That is so self-evident I am not sure who would deny it. The OL ups and downs don’t help either.
Fisher HAS built contenders, so I don’t see why he won’t again.
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January 8, 2016 at 11:54 am in reply to: Bucs fire Lovie, Coughlin resigns, which naturally leads to Fisher discussion #36824znModerator. If a coach has no accountability
This is all “record” v. “context.” In my view he DID turn the corner, but 2014’s OL and qb injuries, plus the 2015 qb meltdown, delayed that.
That’s not not holding him accountable, that’s looking realistically at what happened. I am a context guy and always have been. To me the “just look at the record and shoot” method is just…nothing. I’m like Will Smith in the first Men in Black, during the test to determine who gets to be a MiB. Remember the shooting scene with the simulation? Quote below.
And Jack, I don’t see how inappropriately racializing the issue is even a tiny bit relevant. That’s just some talking head going off the rails.
Well, first I was gonna pop this guy hanging from the street light, and I realized, y’know, he’s just working out. I mean, how would I feel if somebody come runnin’ in the gym and bust me in my ass while I’m on the treadmill? Then I saw this snarling beast guy, and I noticed he had a tissue in his hand, and I’m realizing, y’know, he’s not snarling, he’s sneezing. Y’know, ain’t no real threat there. Then I saw little Tiffany. I’m thinking, y’know, eight-year-old white girl, middle of the ghetto, bunch of monsters, this time of night with quantum physics books? She about to start some shit, Zed. She’s about eight years old, those books are WAY too advanced for her. If you ask me, I’d say she’s up to something.
znModeratorI just dont see how people
can blame Snead for anything.
I dunno that he gets an “A”
but he gets at least a “B”
I’d think.And if by chance Mannion
turns out to be a no.1
he gets an A+w
vYou know that I have gone through drafts of good drafting teams, and drafting well means hitting on around 40+%…to the mid/high 40s. Anything much beyond the high 40s is just unusually good, beyond the “good” norm into the “rare and superb” tier.
According to my count, Snead has hit on 46%.
That’s not a “B” that’s a solid “A” IMO. Especially when you factor in guality, which includes Donald, plus as I said 2 top 10 corners in the same draft (without spending a 1st round pick).
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znModeratorIan Rapoprt @RapSheet
The #49ers met with Chip Kelly yesterday, as @MaioccoCSN said. Today it’s #Browns OC John DeFilippo –more of an informal meeting.znModerator2. Jenkins (my draft card would have had OT/G Cordy Glenn on it with this pick but hard to argue with his overall play)
3. JohnsonWell if nothing else name all the teams that got 2 top corners in the same draft without using a 1st round pick.
He also left out Alexander and Wichman, guys I would count.
znModeratorRams’ Gaines eager to get back
Joe Lyons
It was just a fluke play, but it ended up costing Rams cornerback E.J. Gaines his 2015 season.
During the first weekend of training camp in August, Gaines, a University of Missouri product, went down with a foot injury that resulted in season-ending surgery.
“Just a freak accident,” the second-year pro said early this week at Rams Park in his first public comments since suffering the injury. “Kenny Britt stepped on me during one-on-one drills early in camp. Honestly, I didn’t think much of it at the time. I was walking on it, I actually walked off the field that day.
“When I got the X-rays and everything back, I was surprised.”
After paying a visit to Dr. Robert Anderson, a nationally renowned foot and ankle specialist who serves as team physician for the Carolina Panthers, Gaines underwent season-ending surgery to repair a Lisfranc foot injury. The Lisfranc injury refers to the bones or torn ligaments where a cluster of small bones forms an arch on the top of the foot.
“It’s going well,” the 23-year-old Gaines said Monday. “I’ve had a couple of surgeries to get screws in and out, but everything’s going good. I just got my stitches and screws out a couple of weeks ago, so I’m just kind of getting back, just now starting to do a little jogging and running.
“But I definitely expect to be ready to go for OTAs.”
Organized team activities are generally held in May and June.
A steal in the 2014 draft for the Rams, Gaines was selected in the sixth round, at No. 188 overall, but far outplayed his draft position by starting the first 15 games of his rookie season to earn a spot on the Pro Football Writers of America All-Rookie squad. The 5-foot-10, 190-pounder from Independence, Mo., saw time at cornerback and nickel back, finished fourth on the team with 105 tackles and led the way with 14 pass defenses. In addition, he picked off two passes and recovered a pair of fumbles.
He sat out the 2014 season finale in Seattle due to a concussion.
“I came in and worked hard, trying to make plays and do what the coaches asked,” Gaines said during an interview a few weeks before the start of training camp last summer. “As a rookie, you always feel like you have something more to learn, that you’re trying to catch up. I still have plenty of work to do, but with that first year under my belt, I feel like I have a better feel for what we’re doing defensively and what I need to do to get ready for the season.”
In a somewhat ironic twist, Gaines’ chance to start as a rookie came after fellow corner Trumaine Johnson went down with a knee injury in the preseason. Entering camp this year, Gaines was set to battle Johnson at cornerback and second-year pro Lamarcus Joyner at the nickel spot.
After Gaines went down, Johnson responded with the best season of his pro career, finishing with a team-best seven interceptions. In a home win over Detroit, he returned an interception 58 yards for a touchdown. Johnson, a fourth-year pro, was eighth on the squad with 69 tackles and had 12 pass breakups this season.
“It was tough (being hurt because) you want to be out there with your brothers,” Gaines said earlier this week. “But it’s football. Injuries happen. I’m just excited to get back for next season. I can’t wait. I’m excited for the football team and the coaches are excited to get me back as well.”
He credited his teammates, especially those in the secondary, for helping him work through the rehab process.
“My guys, the DBs, were definitely there for me,” he said. “I was getting texts from Trumaine and (safety) Maurice Alexander all the time. They helped keep me in the loop as much as possible.”
Uncertainty surrounds the Rams’ secondary these days with safety T.J. McDonald, who finished the season on IR after undergoing shoulder surgery, as the lone starter under contract. Cornerbacks Johnson and Janoris Jenkins and safety Rodney McLeod are all free agents.
“Honestly, I’m hoping for the best, hoping they’re all back,” Gaines said. “We’ve got a bunch of young guys who’ve really been coming together. It’s exciting. It was exciting to see guys like Maurice Alexander get a chance to show what he could do. You want as many good players as possible in your secondary. I’m just hoping we can get everybody back and healthy and ready to go for 2016.”
Gaines started the final 37 games and earned All-SEC honors as a senior at Mizzou. He likes the choice of Barry Odom as the Tigers’ new head coach.
“I love coach Odom. He coached the safeties when I was there and he was one of my favorite coaches,’’ Gaines said. “We hated to see him go (to Memphis), but I was excited to see him come back and I’m glad to see him get this shot.
“He’s an intense guy and I like that he’s a defensive-minded coach. He’s definitely a players’ coach.’’
January 8, 2016 at 1:29 am in reply to: 101, 1/7 … Mike Mayock (on playoffs & Foles), & Martz (on relocation & Rams O) #36799znModeratorThe image didn’t post. Give me a clue what it is and I will fix it, k? I tried searching just with the data but didn’t come up with anything.
January 7, 2016 at 11:04 pm in reply to: 101, 1/7 … Mike Mayock (on playoffs & Foles), & Martz (on relocation & Rams O) #36794znModeratorfrom off the net
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can Foles rebound?
foles first year was off the charts
next year was no where near as good
this year 7 tds 10 interceptions
Mayock then says two things are vital for a playoff team
#1 Gm and coach dynamic. That has to coexist and work.
#2 Franchise QBhe thinks it’s part 2
We don’t have that
They need to solve that[/quote]znModeratorI will probably watch Packers/Washington.
I have other things going on or I would watch an AFC game.
Seen enough of Seattle to wait till next week.
znModeratorPFT’s wild-card picks
Mike Florio
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/01/07/pfts-wild-card-picks-5/
Chiefs at Texans
MDS’s take: The Texans’ season started with a loss to the Chiefs in which coach Bill O’Brien botched the quarterback situation by pulling Brian Hoyer for Ryan Mallett. That set the team back, but O’Brien deserves a lot of credit for the way his team held it together late in the year after Hoyer was hurt and they had to play T.J. Yates and Brandon Weeden.
But I think Andy Reid deserves even more credit for the way he kept his team going after the injury to Jamaal Charles. In fact, the Chiefs have arguably the NFL’s best running attack, which is incredible given how important Charles was thought to be to the offense. I think it’s going to be that running game, led by Charcandrick West and Spencer Ware, that controls the game and gives the Chiefs a hard-fought win.
MDS’s pick: Chiefs 23, Texans 20.
Florio’s take: The Chiefs have won 10 in a row. The only win not in that streak came in Week One, when Kansas City plastered the Texans in Houston. And so the reasonable conclusion is that it will happen again. But that was 17 weeks ago, and long regular-season winning streaks only add pressure at this point. The Texans have the home-field advantage and a chip on their shoulder.
The Chiefs vividly recall the collapse in Indy from two years ago, and they carry the burden of being expected to win. It all adds up to the supposedly inferior team, sparking by a pregame frenzy that looks like a KISS concert, advancing to the next round. They may not get any farther, but that’s a matter to be addressed next week.
Florio’s pick: Texans 23, Chiefs 20.
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Steelers at BengalsMDS’s take: If Andy Dalton were healthy for this game, I’d pick the Bengals and I wouldn’t think twice about it: Yes, Dalton has struggled in the postseason, but he was off to an excellent start this season before suffering a thumb injury. Unfortunately for the Bengals, it looks like Dalton will sit and AJ McCarron will start.
That’s a rough break, as McCarron did not play well in the Bengals’ loss to the Steelers in December. I expect McCarron to struggle and Ben Roethlisberger to play well, as the Bengals lose yet another wild card game.
MDS’s pick: Steelers 28, Bengals 20.
Florio’s take: It’s Round Three between the Steelers and the Bengals, just like 10 years ago. That time, the Steelers knocked out quarterback Carson Palmer on the home team’s first play from scrimmage, paving the way for a win. This time, the Steelers already have dispensed with Andy Dalton, who broke a thumb while making a tackle after an interception.
While the “nothing to lose” mentality could help the Bengals and backup A.J. McCarron, the Steelers already have spent a week staring into the abyss of having their season end after not going all out in Baltimore. On Saturday night, Pittsburgh throws Cincinnati into the pit.
Florio’s pick: Steelers 27, Bengals 20.
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Seahawks at VikingsMDS’s take: With the way the Seahawks are playing lately, the Vikings may come to regret beating the Packers to win the NFC North. Russell Wilson has been the best quarterback in football over the second half of the season, and Seattle’s defense was ferocious in shutting down the Cardinals’ offense in Week 17.
The Vikings, meanwhile, aren’t getting much out of their passing game, as Teddy Bridgewater threw just 14 touchdowns, by far the fewest of any quarterback who started all 16 games this season. Adrian Peterson is the league’s leading rusher, but I think the Seahawks’ front can hold him in check and the Seahawks’ secondary can shut down the Vikings’ receivers. This game won’t be close.
MDS’s pick: Seahawks 30, Vikings 17.
Florio’s take: The Seahawks destroyed the Vikings when the two teams last got together, with a 38-7 trouncing. But for a late-game kickoff return (featuring 50 yards of high stepping from Cordarrelle Patterson), it would have been a shutout. So why would it be any different now? Intensely cold weather could flatten out the talent gap. So maybe the Seahawks only win by 16 this time.
Florio’s pick: Seahawks 30, Vikings 14.
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Packers at RedskinsMDS’s take: Washington is on a roll heading into the playoffs, with Kirk Cousins playing his best football, while Green Bay is stumbling with Aaron Rodgers struggling as much as he has in years. And yet I’m going to pick the Packers. I think Rodgers is ready for a big game against a suspect Washington secondary, and I’m betting on the Packers’ strong pass defense to give Cousins a rough outing.
MDS’s pick: Packers 24, Redskins 20.
Florio’s take: The Redskins are much better than anyone expected them to be. The Packers are worse. Much, much worse. Despite winning 10 games, the Packers have gone 4-6 since starting 6-0. So should it be a surprise if Washington finds a way to beat Green Bay? And would it be a surprise if up-and-coming quarterback Kirk Cousins outplays Aaron Rodgers, who for whatever reason isn’t the guy he has been for most of his career? Not for me.
Florio’s pick: Redskins 26, Packers 24.
znModeratorThis D over the next couple of years could get weak fast. Yes we still have Aaron Donald, but next year we have Eugene Simms, William Hayes, Janoris Jenkins, Trumaine Johnson, and Nick Fairly as UFAs. In 2017, Michael Brockers, Chris Long, LaMarcus Joyner, and TJ McDonald, are set for Free Agency as well. I am a little concerned. We drafted all of this talent on Defense, and have nothing to show for it. No playoff berth or anything. Just frustrating. That does not include the health of Robert Quinn. So, we will have to make some decisions. I like Snead. I feel he did a good job drafting, but the Coaching was bad in my mind.
I think they will keep a lot of those guys.
In fact I think that’s one reason they went young on the OL in 2015. Signing vets for the OL would have taken chunks out of the 2016-2018 caps. That’s the money they need to sign their current crop of FAs.
So the line will mature AND they keep 1 or 2 more of their own FAs.
To me, good plan.
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znModerator2106 – another let down
Fortunately, 2106 is 90 years away.
Though it’s interesting that you calculated that far ahead.
What country are the Rams in by then?
If they still have countries.
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