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July 24, 2016 at 9:17 am in reply to: 'Legends of the Dome' … with some Jim Fadler periscope vids #49276
znModeratorGreatest Show goes out in style in Legends of the Dome
Jim Thomas
So where was the defense? It was just a rumor Saturday.
The running game was non-existent. Special teams were nowhere to be found.
Clock management was questionable at the end of the first half. And the second-guessers will have a field day mulling over the decision to replace Kurt Warner with Dave Barr in the fourth quarter.
Yeah, the offensive pyrotechnics were great, but there is plenty to work on for the St. Louis Rams.
“Had to fire the defensive coordinator at halftime,” Mike Martz said. “I think he’s at a bar someplace, drinking his sorrows away.”
OK. Just kidding.
A good time was had by all in the Dome at America’s Center, with Dick Vermeil’s White squad outlasting Martz’s Blue team 56-49 in the Legends of the Dome charity flag football game.
The departure of Stan Kroenke’s Rams to Los Angeles remains a gut punch for football fans in the area. And with training camps opening around the NFL this week, it’s another painful reminder that there will be no pro football in St. Louis this fall.
But except for some brief chants of “Kroenke sucks! Kroenke sucks!” late in the third quarter, all those bad feelings were put aside for a few hours. The crowd of 10,600 was smaller than hoped for by the Isaac Bruce Foundation, which organized the game, but the afternoon turned out to be a celebration, not a funeral.
“Knowing the St. Louis fan, it shouldn’t have surprised me,” Vermeil said. “But I was a little concerned. I actually mentioned it to Isaac months ago, that you might get a negative reaction. You might not get what you want. It cost a lot of money (to organize). So for the fans to come and do what they did today shows you what class they have as a city.”
Hall of Fame defensive back Aeneas Williams has settled in St. Louis, so he knows first-hand what Rams fans here are going through.
“You see how disappointed fans are, how hurt some fans are, but to have the fans that turned out and put all that aside (was great),” Williams said. “This was a special time in St. Louis sports where we had a unique window of excellence with a bunch of unselfish players.”
More than three dozen former Rams players were on hand for the game, most from the Greatest Show on Turf era of Super Bowls and touchdowns, touchdowns and more touchdowns.
Tiffani Burris, who heads Bruce’s foundation, didn’t miss a beat in organizing the event. Player introductions were done with Led Zeppelin’s “Kashmir” playing on the stadium sound system, just like in the glory days.
When the man of the hour, Bruce, was introduced, “Whoomp! (There it Is)” was played — sung in these parts as “Bruce! (There It Is)”
There were flames shooting up from the corner of the southeast end zone as each player was introduced. (No, the turf didn’t catch on fire this time.) And retired Navy Petty Officer Generald Wilson, a legend of the Dome in his own right, belted out the national anthem.
In the locker room before the game, there were even six dozen Krispy Kremes — four dozen glazed, two dozen chocolate — for the Donut Bros. and friends.
But times have changed. Offensive linemen Adam Timmerman and Andy McCollum, aka the Donut Bros., are thin enough to play tight end these days. They look more like the Kale Bros. as they raise families and approach middle age.
“We’re fit and trim,” Timmerman said.
Once the game started, the teams scored more touchdowns in two hours than recent Rams teams managed over a couple of years in the Dome. There were TDs on 15 of the day’s 17 possessions. Warner and Marc Bulger looked fantastic throwing the ball.
“This shows how unimportant coaching is,” Vermeil said. “You see those quarterbacks throw the ball. It’s amazing.”
Unofficially, Bulger must have been about 73 of 76 for 700 yards. He had to be fibbing last week when he said he hadn’t picked up a football in years.
Just about everyone in uniform was on the receiving end, from mainstays Bruce, Torry Holt, Ricky Proehl and Az-Zahir Hakim to kicker Jeff Wilkins and punter Sean Landeta.
Wilkins, already a grandfather back in his hometown of Youngstown, Ohio, was one of the day’s most productive pass-catchers. “I think he missed his calling,” Bulger said.
But late in the game, Wilkins basically got tackled by Chris Massey after a reception and suffered an ankle injury. He had his left foot wrapped afterward. There was irony there, because Massey served as Wilkins’ long snapper for years on extra points and field goals.
It was just one example of the competitive juices flowing, fun outing or not.
“You knew it was gonna be competitive,” said linebacker Mike “The Tackle” Jones. “Isaac’s competitive. Torry’s competitive. There’s a lot of guys out here that don’t like losing.”
Williams, for example, wasn’t going to play because of a sore ankle, but there he was lined up in press coverage at the start of the game.
“When you get around your guys, and guys like Dre’ Bly start encouraging you, you just get out here and you get going,” Williams said.
There was enough athleticism and natural talent on display, even with most of the players in their 40s, to make you realize that what happened with the Greatest Show was no fluke.
But even with all the star power on display, let it be known that the last Rams touchdown scored in the Dome came on a keeper by Barr, who played in two games and completed five of nine passes for the inaugural 1995 St. Louis team. It was his only season with the team.
July 23, 2016 at 10:58 pm in reply to: Rams' first camp back in Cal will feature battles at QB, receiver & secondary #49261
znModeratorJust by observing OTAs, there’s a clear difference in the way Groh runs his drills. He heavily focuses on precise route running and making contested catches.
Nice. A real observation.
July 23, 2016 at 10:17 pm in reply to: Fisher adamant he won't rush Goff into a starting role at quarterback #49253
znModeratorOf course, this is an old and familiar topic.
But this article has some bits in it you don’t see in the articles that came before it.
It covers more ground.
Some samples:
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Warner sees tools in Goff that suggest he could be one of those special few – the footwork, the pocket presence, the quick release. Still, no matter when Goff starts, the former Rams star assures there will be growing pains. It’s how Goff navigates those obstacles that could very well define him.
“Being a starter Day 1 goes beyond how smart (Goff) is, how well he knows an offense, what kind of throws he can make,” Warner said. “It’s the demeanor that makes up who that player is. “How is he going to handle failure?”
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With Mariota, that meant installing counter option fakes and half-field reads to ease his transition from Oregon’s spread offense. For Winston, who came from a pro-style system at Florida State, the Bucs more or less trusted him to adapt to the system they had in place. Both strategies, in their own ways, worked.
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In speaking with his former pupil, Franklin says Goff has noticed a number of similarities between Cal’s offensive concepts and those he’s learning in Los Angeles – somewhat contrary to the concerns about his ability to transition from an Air Raid offense at Cal.
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…during OTAs, Fisher gave some indication, refusing to simplify defensive coverages against Goff. “That’s just not our nature,” he said.
July 23, 2016 at 10:04 pm in reply to: 'Legends of the Dome' … with some Jim Fadler periscope vids #49249
znModeratoroff the net from Marshall’s Faulk28HOF
It’s a very nice crowd here… It as well done. Bruce and Holt look like the KT could suit up right now. Warner and Bulger are throwing darts. It’s a bitter sweet time.
Last time I’ll sit in this dome. Damn.
July 23, 2016 at 9:44 pm in reply to: 'Legends of the Dome' … with some Jim Fadler periscope vids #49242
znModeratorJim Fadler @jimistlboy
The athleticism, ability to still play flag football is pretty impressive….Bruce and Holt still look pretty damn good.#LegendsOfTheDome
Jeff Zgonina still does not have legs just tree trunks
Thank you so much Dome Personnel, #Rams players and coaches and most of all @IsaacBruce80 for the grand farewell today @DomeLegends
LIVE on #Periscope https://t.co/aRl3q7iZ42
— Jim Fadler (@jimistlboy) July 23, 2016
LIVE on #Periscope: Back to the Legends of the Dome Rams https://t.co/WCdPVDtTyC
— Jim Fadler (@jimistlboy) July 23, 2016
LIVE on #Periscope https://t.co/GYzQXcq6Yz
— Jim Fadler (@jimistlboy) July 23, 2016
Jim Fadler Retweeted
Known this guy 32 years. The definition of class! #domelegends pic.twitter.com/BevZCStANd
— Marc Lillibridge (@NFLBridge) July 23, 2016
July 23, 2016 at 9:43 pm in reply to: 'Legends of the Dome' … with some Jim Fadler periscope vids #49241
znModeratorThank you, @IsaacBruce80. pic.twitter.com/Zpq7Tzqyaf
— The Fast Lane (@101ESPNFastLane) July 23, 2016
znModeratorBut as I age I’ve come to realize that for me labels mean little.
IMO there is far too much “group think” today whether its on the right or the left.
W, to be fair, and eyeball to eyeball over friendly drinks, you’re as into labels as anyone here. And they’re usually accompanied by a pejorative (eg. “extremists”).
I bet we have a lot of common ground though, too. And overlap on a lot of different topics.
When this place is cooking, it makes for very interesting conversations, I think.
znModerator. I think zn has done a bang-up job as sheriff thus far.
Thanks. But I feel more like a corporal.

znModeratorPoured Mike Lansford a couple of drinks the other night and we shot the shit a little. Very cool guy. He hangs with Harrah all the time he said, and they come in on Sundays sometimes to watch all the games. So how ’bout that?
Very cool.
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znModeratoroff the net from Madam Goldberg
Cooper in the slot. Reverses, double reverses, Cooper passing out of the backfield.
Austin or Cooper running up the middle.
Wait til you all see Cooper.
He is built like a running back.
He will definitely make special teams because he loves to hit on the fly.
I have to think they loved him for his downfield blocking as well.He’s kind of inspirational because fellow players see him hustling and busting his butt.
It rubs off on his teammates.
It will be tough to keep him off the field.
znModeratorMrs. Frontiere’s [team owner Georgia Frontiere] favorite color was powder blue, think UCLA, a color she used to wear all of the time. She thought the Rams would look great in this color and wanted to see some examples. So we made up some powder blue helmets with gold horns and gold helmets with powder blue horns, which she loved. But being someone who was very much into astrology, Mrs. Frontiere agreed to the current color scheme because, actually, she liked the names of the colors we used: new century gold and millennium blue. She thought it made cosmic sense if you will, given the year was 2000.
So the Rams came that close to being the Chargers.
znModeratorUni Watch Profiles: Todd Hewitt
BY PAUL LUKAS, ON MAY 17TH, 2011
As many of you know, the Rams fired longtime equipment manager Todd Hewitt back in January. Today we have an extensive interview with him, but it wasn’t conducted by me. It was done by football historian Robert Harvell, whose photo archives have been featured here on the site many times.
Robert interviewed Todd last month, and the resulting transcript was recently posted over on Helmet Hut. But Robert and Helmet Hut honcho Curtis Worrell both felt that the interview deserved to be published here at Uni Watch as well. After reading it, I wholeheartedly agreed.
As you’ll see, the interview has nothing to do with Todd’s firing. That’s another topic for another day. This is all about the work he did with the Rams, the team’s uniform history, and so on. It’s really good stuff — enjoy.
Robert Harvell: Todd, when did you start working for the Rams?
Todd Hewitt: Well, my dad was hired by the Rams in 1967. I was 11 years old at the time and helped out in the locker room and was a ball boy. In 1978, I was officially hired by the Rams as Assistant Equipment Manager and continued to work with my dad until his retirement in 1984. In 1985, I took over as Rams Equipment Manager, although my dad remained with the team as Equipment Manager Emeritus through 1994, the Rams’ final year in Los Angeles. In 1995, the Rams relocated to St. Louis. My dad joined us there for one final year. So all told, I was with the Rams for 44 years and have worked under 14 different Rams head coaches! Funny, I still remember when the Packers came to town in 1967, my first year with the team. I walked down the Coliseum tunnel flanked by Vince Lombardi and Bart Starr!
RH: How many hours per week would you put in once camp began?
TH: Let’s put it this way: Once camp started I definitely spent more time at work than at home. In at 5am, leave at 7pm, seven days a week. The only day I’d take off during the season is the Sunday of the bye week. The players’ day off was a treat, because I’d “only” work from 5am to 4:30pm. But I made up for that on game day, especially when we returned from road games, often working very late. It wasn’t unusual for me to spend the night at work after road games. During the off-season I typically worked five days a week, from 6am to 4:30pm.
RH: Like most teams, the Rams have changed their uniform color schemes over the years. Do you have a favorite?
TH: Honestly, I like them all. For sentimental reasons, I really like the blue and white. But I would have to say that my favorite color scheme was what we wore from 1973-1999, the blue and yellow, what we wore when we won the Super Bowl. In fact, when we wore those colors again for a throwback game, I realized just how much I missed them, they were just so vibrant. I really like the current uniforms as well, but they are so much darker than what we wore before. When we changed our color scheme in 2000, we actually considered many different possibilities, 15 to 20 combinations or so.
Mrs. Frontiere’s [team owner Georgia Frontiere] favorite color was powder blue, think UCLA, a color she used to wear all of the time. She thought the Rams would look great in this color and wanted to see some examples. So we made up some powder blue helmets with gold horns and gold helmets with powder blue horns, which she loved. But being someone who was very much into astrology, Mrs. Frontiere agreed to the current color scheme because, actually, she liked the names of the colors we used: new century gold and millennium blue. She thought it made cosmic sense if you will, given the year was 2000.
Speaking of Mrs. Frontiere, not many know this because she was very private about it, but she was an extremely generous woman who often helped out many ex-Rams players in their hour of need. She was a wonderful owner and a wonderful person to work for.
RH: Speaking of the Rams’ color schemes, why did the Rams change from blue and yellow to blue and white in 1964, which they wore for nine years, until 1972?
TH: Kind of a funny story. Before the change, the Rams often wore yellow home jerseys, which, as it turned out, didn’t look particularly good on black-and-white TV — a consideration that became increasingly important at the time. So the Rams experimented with different shades of yellow until they found one that actually showed up well on TV. The problem was the shade of the yellow that worked well for TV was called “buttercup yellow.” When Mr. Reeves [Dan Reeves, Rams owner from 1941-1971] found out about that, he said that there was no way his team would ever wear a color called “buttercup yellow.”
Also, the yellow horns on the Rams’ helmet at the time didn’t show up very well on TV either. So Mr. Reeves decided to remove yellow from the uniforms altogether, opting for a simple blue and white, which as it turned out looked great on black and white TV.
RH: Sticking with the Rams’ blue-and-white uniform era, I always wondered why the Rams rarely wore their navy jerseys when playing at home during that time, much like the Dallas Cowboys do today. Did the Rams do this because the white jerseys offered relief when playing under the hot California sun?
TH: Another interesting story. Actually, there were years during the blue-and-white era when the Rams never wore their navy jerseys at all, not during the preseason or the regular season. It had nothing to do with the sun. In fact a lot of those home games we played were quite cool, especially since we played a lot of night games at home. Wearing white jerseys at home was the brainchild of Mr. Reeves, an extremely smart owner and businessman with a talent for promotion. He felt that if the Rams wore their white jerseys at home it would make for a better gameday experience for the fans by giving them a chance to see the colorful jerseys of visiting teams, which most Rams fans would not otherwise get a chance to see. So rather than Rams fans seeing the same thing each and every week, which would be the Rams always in navy and the visiting teams always in white, Rams fans instead got to see different colors each week. And Rams fans loved it — it was a smart decision by Mr. Reeves.
RH: Why did the Rams change back to blue and yellow uniforms in 1973, after wearing blue and white uniforms for nine years?
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TH: This was Mr. Rosenbloom’s [Caroll Rosenbloom, Rams owner 1972-1979] idea, something he decided to do when he took over as the Rams’ owner in 1972. He felt the blue-and-white uniforms were somewhat bland and wanted a uniform look that better reflected the glitz of Hollywood. Horns were added to the jerseys, at the shoulder area, and we went to white shoes and blue shoes. The new jersey numbers were also pretty snazzy — they had a white trim. But we quickly discovered that the white trim made the numbers very tough to differentiate on TV, so they were scrapped after the 1973 preseason.
RH: So many teams have gone through different helmet designs over the years — not only color but logos as well. Have the Rams ever considered doing away with their helmet horns in favor of another logo?
TH: Never. Not once. The Rams have always been very proud of the horns on their helmet and fully understand how iconic they are and what they represent in terms of NFL history. The Rams’ helmet horns were so important to the Rams that, unlike many other teams, the Rams have always ensured that they were always applied to the helmets even for scrimmages, mini-camps, camps, and practices. You won’t see a Rams player wearing a Rams helmet without horns!
RH: Those horn decals must be a pain to apply. How often are they applied during the course of a year, and how many equipment staffers are involved in applying them?
TH: I imagine they would be a challenge to apply for someone new to it, but I can pretty much do it in my sleep. We actually got to the point of using three different types of horn decals in recent years, because of the different shapes and ventilation holes found on the new helmets. Applying decals to some of these newer helmets is, even for me, a bit of a challenge!
We’d go through about 800 sets of decals per year. Lots of pulling off and applying new ones goes on each year. Although I had a small staff — two full-time assistants and one intern — I’m the only one who’d apply the horn decals. And when my dad was Equipment Manager, he and I were the only ones that applied the decals. So for the last 38 years, from the time the Rams switched from painted horns to decals, only a Hewitt has applied the horns, something I kind of take pride in.
RH: Up until the mid-1970s or so, the Rams were a team that pretty much wore only Riddell helmets and Schutt facemasks. Many other teams of the era wore Riddell helmets as well as helmets made by other manufacturers, and they used facemasks made by other companies as well, such as Dungard. Why didn’t the Rams typically use helmets and facemasks made by other manufacturers?
TH: My dad knew John Riddell, inventor and owner of Riddell helmets, and was always very happy with the helmets he made and the service Riddell provided. He was always very happy with Schutt facemasks as well and the service they provided, plus Schutt was nearby and we could get things from them quickly if needed. My dad was a very loyal person, and when he was taken care of by a supplier like he was by Riddell and Schutt, when a supplier was loyal, my dad always returned the loyalty, always, even when the competition would inevitably try to undercut on prices. That’s just the type of guy my dad was.
In fact, there was a gentleman that did the lettering for our jerseys for many, many years, who always went out of his way to help my dad and the Rams. Bigger, more modern companies would come in and offer slightly lower prices for the lettering, but my dad wouldn’t be swayed, he stuck with our lettering guy.
I’ll never forget when we drafted Dennis Harrah in the first round of 1975. Dennis wore a helmet made by Bike in college, not a Riddell. When he reported to the Rams, he didn’t want a Riddell, couldn’t be talked into one, he wanted a Bike. My dad fretted to no end thinking that he would be letting Riddell down, that he would be disloyal if he purchased a Bike helmet for Dennis. But of course we did get Dennis a Bike helmet. I mean there was no way we were going to put the team in a position where a player got a head injury and it was later discovered that we gave him a helmet he didn’t want, no way. But until Dennis came to the Rams it never really came up, everyone was happy with Riddell. But after Dennis got his Bike, other players wanted one too, especially kids coming out of college where Bike helmets had become very popular.
RH: Did traded players usually want to take/bring their helmets with them to their new teams? How about college players, did they often bring their helmets with them, wanting to continue wearing them in the pros?
TH: Traded vets would sometimes want to take their gear with them to their new team, but more often than not teams could fit them identically as before, so there was usually no need. College players usually don’t bring their equipment with them. In fact, college kids often end up wearing equipment when they reach the pros that they didn’t wear in college. For example, when Sam Bradford arrived, I fitted him with a full girdle pad. Sam said he didn’t want to wear one, that he never wore one in college. I told him that he wasn’t going to be facing Baylor at the pro level! In his first preseason game he was quickly sacked three times or so. He was happy that I fitted him with a full girdle pad.
RH: How many helmets does a player usually go through each season? How many helmets are issued to each player each season, are they issued a backup and a practice helmet?
TH: Players are issued one helmet each year and, except for rare occasions, use it for the entire season. A supply of helmets is kept on hand, in stock, in case a player’s helmet needs to be replaced during the course of the year. Game helmets are the same ones used in practice. During Coach Robinson’s time with the Rams, we used to use two helmet shells for each lineman, one for games and one for practice, because the horn decals on the linemen’s helmets would always get so damaged during practice. In this case, we would simply pull the padding from their game helmet shells and put it into their practice helmet shells, back and forth, throughout the year.
RH: Are players allowed to keep their helmets or uniforms when traded, cut or when they retire?
TH: Always a case-by-case situation. If you have a vet — say Marshall Faulk — then of course the Rams would probably give him whatever he wanted. But if it’s a guy that hasn’t been here long, or a guy that didn’t make the team, then he would most likely have to pay for anything he was interested in taking with him.
RH: How involved, if ever, were coaches, management or ownership in the team’s appearance, what they wore on game day?
TH: As mentioned earlier, Mrs. Frontiere, Mr. Reeves, and Mr. Rosenbloom all offered input. As far as coaches are concerned, one year Coach Malavasi decided that he wanted to wear white jerseys at home — he felt it made the Rams look bigger. But we ended up winning only one or two home games that year, I believe, so that was scratched! Coach Vermeil was concerned about winning games, not about what we wore on game day. Coach Robinson had a thing about comfortable pants, wanted to make sure that we purchased and used the most comfortable pants available. Coach Martz decided to go with the white pants one year (he didn’t like the blue pants), and we got a bunch of calls from fans who loved the white pants, loved the look, wanted us to keep wearing them. They reminded fans of the blue-and-white days, but John Shaw couldn’t stand them. Coach Spagnuolo wanted to make all of the uniform decisions but eventually handed the job off to Steven Jackson and Oshiomogho Otogwe, the team captains.
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RH: What sort of budget were you responsible for as the Rams Equipment Manager?
TH: About half a million dollars per year, which is about $10,000 per player. That includes helmets, pads, uniforms, tape, gum, everything. I took our budget very seriously and in my entire time with the Rams, I never once came in over budget — not an easy thing to do! Helmets, depending on the manufacturer and facemask used, run anywhere from $200 to $500. The new Xenith helmet alone is $450. Shoulder pads can run $350 to $450. Football equipment is expensive!
RH: What would you say was the most important aspect of your job?
TH: First and foremost, player safety. Making sure players are fitted properly with the best equipment available. I always told the young kids that come in that they’re not going to make any money in this league sitting on the bench nursing an injury, that they need to be on the field playing, getting seen and noticed by the coaches. And that it was my job, to help them stay out on the field, not on the bench, and to protect them the best I could by fitting them with the right equipment.
Another important aspect of my job was earning the players’ trust, letting them know that the locker room is their sanctuary and what is said there doesn’t leave, isn’t leaked. It’s important to the players’ morale to know that they have a safe haven and can trust those around them.
And of course there’s also doing what the coaches ask, helping the best I can to make their jobs easier by doing my job well.
RH: Not that you got much of it, but what did you do with your free time?
TH: Spent it all with my wife and kids. I coach my boy’s baseball team. Obviously, my wife is a saint, having put up with the long hours I spent at work. She has pretty much raised our children herself; I missed the birth of one of my sons during an away game. Fortunately, I was able to spend time with my sons, who were able to come to work with me and help out in the locker room, it’s great. My daughter was actually allowed to be the water girl for a few years, which was great and a lot of fun, but that ended a couple of years ago.
RH: What was your favorite part of your job?
TH: The players. And the fact that no two days are the same, always something different going on, always a new challenge, not being chained to a desk. Locker room chemistry, it can be incredible. The Greatest Show on Turf years were awesome in the locker room and on the practice field. Everyone wanted to be there, everyone couldn’t wait to go to work. Practices were awesome, so fast, there were many days when the ball never hit the ground, just unbelievable. The friendships. I’m great friends with Vince [Ferragamo], Irv [Pankey], Dennis [Harrah] and Jack [Youngblood] to name a few. Fifty Rams players and wives attended my wedding, just awesome.
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Let’s have a tip of the sideline cap to Robert Harvell for conducting such a great interview, to Helmet Hut’s Curtis Worrell for generously sharing the interview with Uni Watch, and of course to Todd Hewitt for all the great stories and information.
And there’s more: Very soon (possibly as soon as tomorrow) we’ll have an interview with Todd’s dad, Don Hewitt.
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znModeratorI believe in Elizabeth Warren when she says we have to get beyond the past and do everything necessary to insure that Trump does not become our President.
I believe myself when I say that tolerating party corruption is never acceptable.
July 23, 2016 at 5:35 am in reply to: Rams' first camp back in Cal will feature battles at QB, receiver & secondary #49182
znModeratorCountdown to Camp – Wide Receivers
Myles Simmons
With the Rams now eight days away from training camp, we continue our Countdown to Camp series by taking a look at the team’s wide receivers. Be sure to submit your question about tomorrow’s position group, cornerbacks, on Twitter, Facebook, or in the comments below.
WIDE RECEIVERS
Newcomers: Pharoh Cooper, Mike Thomas, Paul McRoberts, Marquez North, Nelson Spruce, Duke Williams
If there’s a clear area in which the Rams must improve to be competitive in 2016, it’s the club’s passing game.
Los Angeles did plenty to address the unit over the course of the offseason, beginning with promoting Rob Boras to offensive coordinator and hiring Mike Groh to be the team’s passing game coordinator and wide receivers coach.
Just by observing OTAs, there’s a clear difference in the way Groh runs his drills. He heavily focuses on precise route running and making contested catches. Building that kind of foundation in the offseason program should help the Rams once Week 1 rolls around.
But when it comes to players, head coach Jeff Fisher said at the start of OTAs that Tavon Austin could be headed for a stellar season. With the revamped offense, Fisher told therams.com Austin has a chance to double his catches.
Austin racked up 1,187 all-purpose yards last season and 10 total touchdowns between his receptions, rushes, and punt returns. Heading into his fourth year, he’s mentioned wanting to become more of a vocal leader.
Kenny Britt returns for his third season with the Rams, also an incumbent starter. Still recovering from offseason surgery, he went through rehab drills on the side for much of OTAs. But Fisher said in June he expects everyone to be able to participate once camp begins, which signals good news for Britt.
Last year, the Rutgers product finished No. 2 with 18.9 yards per reception. But he and the offense would undoubtedly like to increase overall production.
Having completed his four-year rookie contract, Brian Quick re-signed with the Rams on a one-year deal in March. Last year, the wideout had to go through the offseason rehabbing his surgically-repaired shoulder, which likely affected his production. Being further removed from the recovery process could help him make an impact offensively in 2016.
Second-year wide receiver Bradley Marquez was mainly a special teams contributor as a rookie, having made the initial 53-man roster as a undrafted free agent. But he also showed strong receiving ability and made his way into the rotation later in the year, making 13 receptions for 88 yards. He continued flashing his good hands during OTAs, and could work his way up the wideout depth chart with more strong performances in the preseason.
As for the rookies, fourth-round pick Pharoh Cooper looked like he belonged during OTAs. He earned reps with the starting unit and made the most of them, showing quickness and explosiveness from the slot. He’s also the type of player who enjoys physicality, which means he may stand out even more once pads come on. Fisher said Cooper has the potential to become a household name. That may happen sooner rather than later if the South Carolina product has an outstanding camp.
Sixth rounder Mike Thomas looked a bit raw at times during OTAs, but his big-play ability is apparent just from watching him. He will likely have to contribute on special teams to make an impact as a rookie.
Others in the mix include Deon Long — who spent time on the Rams’ practice squad last year — and UDFAs Marquez North (Tennessee), Paul McRoberts (Southeast Missouri State), Nelson Spruce (Colorado), and Duke Williams (Auburn). Spruce is the Pac 12 all-time leader in receptions. He’s also a local, having graduated from Westlake High School.
Also of note, Stedman Bailey, who was placed on the non-football injury list in June, has elected to go back to West Virginia to complete his degree and serve as a student assistant coach.
QUESTION OF THE DAY
@MylesASimmons Duke Williams, Michael Thomas, or Nelson Spruce. Who claims a roster spot/who goes to the practice squad? #CountdownToCamp
— SeattleRams (@seattlerams_nfl) July 21, 2016
At this point, it’s kind of hard to predict who will be on the roster and practice squad, simply because we haven’t seen them in pads yet.That said, between those three, I would give Thomas an edge for the 53-man roster, if for no other reason than he was a draft pick. And as mentioned earlier, Thomas has nice big-play ability that should come in handy sooner or later so long as he picks up the offense well.
Spruce did really impress me in OTAs, as it seemed like he reeled in every catchable pass thrown his way. If there’s a knock on him, it’s that he hasn’t played much special teams. If you’re going to make the 53-man roster as a UDFA, that’s how you’ll need to contribute. But having him on the practice squad could be valuable as a depth piece.
As for Williams, I think it’s important to remember he came in as a tryout player — not even in the initial class of undrafted free agents. If he were to make the practice squad, that would be a significant accomplishment.
We’ll see how it shakes out during camp and the preseason games.
Thanks for your question, Rob. If you’ve got a Q about our next group up, cornerbacks, be sure to send it along via Twitter, Facebook, or in the comments below. We’ll be back tomorrow to discuss the position led by the franchise tagged Trumaine Johnson.
July 23, 2016 at 1:06 am in reply to: audio: Marc Bulger on playing with such good WRs & taking over from Kurt #49180
znModeratorHe didn’t realize he was playing on a broken leg in his final game of 2009, the ARZ game. He knew his leg was bad during the game but then they found out afterward it was broken
That’s wrong.
He played on a broken leg for THREE games.

My final year (in St. Louis), the reason I stopped was because my leg was broken,” Bulger said. “I played three games with a broken leg, I didn’t even know it.
znModeratorUm, so, well . . . 20,000 leagues?
I used to wonder the same thing but maybe the 20000 leagues doesn’t refer to the depth but the distance travelled under the sea
From the wiki:
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French: Vingt mille lieues sous les mers: Tour du monde sous-marin, literally Twenty Thousand Leagues Under the Seas: An Underwater Tour of the World
The title refers to the distance traveled while under the sea and not to a depth, as 20,000 leagues is over six times the diameter, and nearly three times the circumference of the Earth. The greatest depth mentioned in the book is four leagues. (The book uses metric leagues, which are four kilometres each.) A literal translation of the French title would end in the plural “seas”, thus implying the “seven seas” through which the characters of the novel travel; however, the early English translations of the title used “sea”, meaning the ocean in general.
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znModeratorNope.
Third to last paragraph. He is term limited.
May run for the Senate, but family in Maine says, “No way”.
ZN, do you think he has a chance at the Senate?
IMO? Not even in the slightest. He won the governor’s race with 37% because there was a third candidate.
July 22, 2016 at 4:52 pm in reply to: Another day of the GOP convention, another night of terror #49141
znModeratorBut Americans dont want to “waste their votes” so
they will vote for a monster.No-one is twisting their voting-arms.
I will vote for Hillary because Trump is significantly worse and by a wide margin.
I will then join the “third party alternative” and/or “reform the dems” thing the day after the election.
That’s just me listing my vote. Not arguing. If I can’t talk anyone else into it, so be it.
If I catch flak for it here, so be that too.
July 22, 2016 at 11:06 am in reply to: Another day of the GOP convention, another night of terror #49125
znModeratoroff the net from Ronald Schmidt, <political scientist who posts on Facebook
The damage done to the country by a Trump presidency has already started. His campaign exhorted Americans to racial violence, rabid misogyny, and self-pitying xenophobia; his speech last night told his supporters that they are right to have embraced those messages because their lives and their nation are in danger … and then he offered a solution. Not the solution of American ideals, or of solidarity with each other, or even of faith (which are the solutions offered by the campaign speeches throughout our history that we still remember). The solution he offered was himself, that he will be our voice, that he will “fix it.” This radical, militant, fascism has already done damage to the nation and to the lives of real people; the general campaign will make it worse. The cost of his election would be far greater. “Trump is telling his followers their racist gut instincts are right — and are the only thing that can save them. Donald Trump went to great lengths tonight to tie together ‘mass immigration, mass lawlessness,” and crime. He said this to a supporter base that often, cognitively, conflates ‘illegal immigrants’ with ‘immigrants,’ and ‘immigrants’ with ‘Latinos.’ He said this to supporters who sometimes feel they “just know” when someone else waiting in line at the employment office is ‘illegal.’ He told them they were right to feel overwhelmed and they were right to be afraid, and that if they weren’t careful they could be killed. By the same token, he told his audience of mostly white Americans — mainly living in racially segregated, low-crime suburban neighborhoods — that they should be extremely worried about being victimized by crime. The danger posed by Trump supporters going about their business armed with weaponized white fear is more Renisha McBrides and more Tamir Rices. It has a cost in nonwhite bodies and lives.” http://www.vox.com/2016/7/22/12254212/trump-rnc-speech-racist?utm_campaign=vox&utm_content=entry&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook
znModeratorIf anything in Maine I encounter the opposite prejudice. That is, it is widely assumed that the entire country outside of New England and New York is all just an overly religious version of the movie Deliverance.
That, of course, is not good either. But you picked a beautiful place to live, ZN.
I love the Blue Ridge Mountains, and we have a lot of beautiful vistas to enjoy here too. But it would be nice if my fellow leftist heathens had at least a bit more representation nearby.
;>)
I edited my last post, the one you’re responding to here, and I wonder if you saw it. I added the bit about being arrested at a political demonstrating opposing anti-choice demonstrators.
Anyway, Maine is beautiful, absolutely, and Portland is a great town, but, I can handle the cold. Actually southern coastal maine is not that cold. I am originally from Manitoba which was FAR colder, and I lived in Chicago which was also colder. Either way I like 4 seasons, I like snow, I like seeing the coastline in winter, it’s very Melville.
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znModerator. I live in the South, and I’m surrounded by people on the rightward side of the political spectrum, along with a great many religious fundamentalists.
I know what you mean since I used to live in Louisiana and went to high school in Indiana.
In fact in Louisiana I used to live one mile from Jimmy Swaggart’s university.
For the record I felt the same way then, that I feel now. Even though then my activities included being in demonstrations that kept a women’s reproductive health issues clinic open, and that meant going toe to toe and face to face with a group that had been thrown out of the Pentacostal church for being too radical. (I kid you not.) I was even arrested at one of those events…chosen directly by the chief of police, who was present, to be arrested. (I didn’t do anything, but the other group had a couple of battery arrests and they were just balancing accounts. So I got singled out cause the chief of police was standing right there. No charges were filed.)
If anything in Maine I encounter the opposite prejudice. That is, it is widely assumed that the entire country outside of New England and New York is all just an overly religious version of the movie Deliverance.
znModeratorWarner, back for one last game at Dome, deserves a statue
By Jose de Jesus Ortiz
Although it has been six months since the National Football League voted to move the Rams out of his beloved St. Louis, the legendary Kurt Warner still finds it difficult to consider them the Los Angeles Rams.
As a broadcaster these days, he’ll eventually have to adjust. But he views the Rams like most folks in this area.
“I don’t know if it’s going to settle in until you actually see them,” he said. “When I think of the Rams I still think of them as St. Louis, not as the Los Angeles Rams. Me calling games now, it’s going to be weird.”
More than most, Warner appreciates just how much the people of St. Louis love their Rams. He lived it, felt it, embraced it.
Now the kid from Burlington, Iowa, wants to say thank you for the love and memories. He’s eager to play in Isaac Bruce’s Legends of the Dome game Saturday afternoon at the Dome at America’s Center.
“We always look for an excuse to get back to St. Louis because we feel like that community is so special to us,” Warner said. “I think the biggest thing is I’m hoping that a lot of people come out. It’s a great opportunity for us as players to say thanks for the memories.”
Bruce, who threw a perfect strike during the ceremonial first pitch at the Cardinals’ game Thursday, invited Warner and several former St. Louis Rams greats for the Legends of the Dome flag football game.
Stan Kroenke, arguably the most despised sports figure in St. Louis history, moved the Rams without having the decency to truly say goodbye to their loyal fans here.
The Legends of the Dome game will provide a great opportunity for fans to find closure.
St. Louis has already lost the football Cardinals and the Rams, and one must wonder if the NFL will ever find its way back to the Gateway to the West.
Whether the NFL returns or not, we must find a way to honor Warner beyond the Legends of the Dome game. There needs to be a statue of Warner to go along with the statues of other sports legends downtown.
We must honor Warner in the same way Blues legends Brett Hull, Al MacInnis and Bernie Federko are honored with statues in front of Scottrade Center. Most baseball fans here can tell you about the statues of Stan Musial, Bob Gibson, Lou Brock and other Cardinals legends outside Busch Stadium.
We must not let Kroenke’s greed deny us of an opportunity to leave a monument for local fans to remember one of the St. Louis Rams’ all-time greats.
To be clear, this is not my idea. Esteemed Post-Dispatch NFL writer Jim Thomas, who covered every St. Louis Rams game, mentioned this idea earlier this week when he gave me a lesson on the team’s history.
When I told Warner about Thomas’ idea, Warner appeared humbled by the suggestion.
“It’s more about people in that community and how they rallied around me and my family both off and on the field for many years,” Warner said. “I don’t even know how you think of or consider (statues and) that stuff. It’s about the people and the organization.
“It’s a tremendous honor any time you’re a part of something like that. When you leave you want to believe you left it better than when you got there and left a lasting impact that doesn’t leave when you step off the field.”
Warner definitely left his mark in St. Louis. His rags to riches story inspired legions of fans throughout the Midwest. Who doesn’t love a story of a guy reaching the NFL after spending three years with the Iowa Barnstormers?
Most Americans and perhaps even most folks in St. Louis had no idea that the Iowa Barnstormers even existed until Warner joined the Rams 18 years ago. I surely had no clue there was such a thing as an indoor football league back then. Did you?
Moreover, Warner’s University of Northern Iowa isn’t exactly known for pumping out NFL quarterbacks.
By now, Warner’s story is the stuff of legend. From stocking the shelves on the night crew at a Hy-Vee in Iowa to the Super Bowl with the Rams. You wouldn’t believe that story if you saw it in the movies.
Despite not being drafted by the NFL, Warner refused to abandon his dream. He honed his skills with the Barnstormers and then cherished every moment with the Rams.
Warner was the architect of the Greatest Show on Turf. He reached the NFL in 1998 and appeared in one game that season. Then he took over the starting spot in 1999 and led the Rams to the Super Bowl title that season.
He led the Rams to the Super Bowl two years later, falling to the New England Patriots 20-17. He threw for 32,344 yards in a 12-year career that included stints with the Giants and Arizona Cardinals. He still has a son living in St. Louis.
He also has his foundation here, so he and his wife Brenda return at least three times a year. He’s excited to see his old Rams teammates and their loyal fans this weekend.
“First of all it’s great to just go back and play a game back in St. Louis and say, ‘Thank you’ to the fans for the great support they gave us when I played there. It’s going to be special. And it’s always awesome to find an excuse to get together with the guys and reminisce.”
Warner doesn’t need any excuses to return to St. Louis, but it would nice to ask him back one day to unveil a much deserved statue here.
znModeratorzn, your argument is reminiscent of the argument used by gun rights advocates.
I have seen people of faith who do not buy into the fundamentalist program who can handle, with grace and sincere conviction, debates about the irrationality of religion. We all have. So “attacking religion” in general serves very little purpose.
I have seen gun owners who do not buy into the NRA program who can handle with grace and sincere conviction, debates about gun control. We all have. So attacking gun rights serves very little purpose.
Like most gun owners, most people of faith are reasonable people.
But that doesn’t counter the great amount of harm done by a very few hyper-religious people. Pence, Cruz, Santorum etc.
First I do note that “reasonable people of faith” (rpf) is a paradoxical name. And so be it.
I agree that the fact that there are reasonable people of faith (including people who post here) is not supposed to deflect our attention away from the harm many do in the name of religion. What it does do is maybe caution us about tossing out simple generalizations. So I don’t blame “religion” for anything. I do blame extremists and fundamentalists who do harm in the name of religion. Different thing.
Your analogy breaks down this way. With guns, the argument is, the fact that there are some who never cause harm is irrelevant. We want to regulate and limit the ways in which they can be kept and used. So for example open carry is an inherent social evil. Regardless how many do it right. There is no equivalent claim with religion since we’re not proposing to limit or ban it.
One reason we don’t want to generalize about religion per se is that it takes so many forms. Actually according to one poll a few years ago “just over half of scientists (51%) believe in some form of deity or higher power; specifically, 33% of scientists say they believe in God, while 18% believe in a universal spirit or higher power.” So for many, science and some kind of faith are not opposed things. This of course contradicts the idea that anti-scientific whack jobs dominate religion.
So I have no problem with resisting fundamentalist types who want to impose on us their right-wing christian version of sharia law. Who actively seek to limit the rights of women and gays etc. Who stand in the way of science. And so on.
It’s a war, really, though we’re better off winning it with votes than bullets.
But I think we just cloud the issues if we make “religion” the target. As I said reasonable people of faith post HERE.
And to be honest with you, as atheistic and philosophically materialist as I am (and I am), I count lectures from atheists about why religion is bad about the same as I count conversion sermons from the zealously religious. I don’t censor it, or try to hush it, but my eyes glaze over and I go to another room.
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znModeratorPorn viewership hits all-time high in Cleveland during Republican National Convention
http://www.dailydot.com/layer8/cleveland-porn-rnc-donald-trump/
The party of Lincoln, it appears, is also the party of porn.
In Cleveland, where Donald Trump was nominated by his party’s delegates Tuesday afternoon, porn viewership has surpassed—for the first time—New York City, Miami, and Los Angeles, according to a leading adult-video streaming service.
The increase in Cleveland porn traffic during the Republican National Convention is allegedly 184 percent higher than usual, xHamster reports. Cleveland is making history in all sorts of ways, shattering its previous record for porn viewership while topping out at 873,294 views.
There are more people in Cleveland watching porn right now, xHamster says, than when the Cavaliers won the NBA championship (though, it’s not entirely clear what one has to do with the other).
Interestingly, “Trump” became a trending search topic on the pornographic site, revealing that even as party members break from the tumultuous climate of the convention, the 70-year-old real estate tycoon is never far from their hearts, or what have you.
“Kelly Trump” is also reportedly trending, perhaps reinvigorating the career of the 90s German porn star—who, as far as we know, has no relation to the Republican Party leader.
znModeratorBT and bnw…I took out a coupla posts that had personal barbs and flames. I figured I had posted warnings on that enough so this time I shot first. I know politics is volatile by nature but still. Other boards won’t even allow political discussion. We’re kind of an experiment to make it work. You don’t have to be forced fake civil but there are still a lot of degrees between that and openly shooting personal barbs.
My own feeling is that emotionally deeply held assumptions and a priori beliefs are behind a lot of political views, so that a lot of time, forcing the issue on this or that “fact” doesn’t touch the real thing propelling the discussion. Given that, it really does nothing but antagonize sometimes to demand answers to questions or challenges. If it were about reason it wouldn’t be human politics.
Yours sincerely, Deep Thinker Man

znModeratorFaith is scary? You guys are funny.
Belief in non-existent mythic creatures can often be, given what it causes humans to do in their names. Like, slaughter unbelievers, torture them, steal their lands in the name of one’s god. Go to war in the name of one’s god. Rationalize bigotry and discrimination in the name of one’s god, etc. Civil wars between members of the same “faith” that last centuries, etc. etc.
Organized religion has been the catalyst for more death, destruction and human suffering than any other organized anything, aside from capitalism, and the two go hand in hand all too often.
All of the above can be said of atheist communist dictators too of which I’m sure communist purges have done worse.
There never has been a “communist” nation, anywhere in the modern world.
Wow.
He’s strictly speaking accurate, b. What they had in the Soviet Union and have in China doesn’t meet the definition of communism. However, communism was never only what Marx said it was. The Soviets and Chinese converted the meaning into a militarized one-party bureaucratic state, and that’s part of the mix in talking about the history of communism.
But from a strict point of view looking at the original definition in Marx, no they weren’t what he called communism.
Personally I don’t think it matters. Depends on the point someone wants to make. The strict definition is real, and it’s fair to measure the Soviets by it, as bt did. But then also history morphs things. Our constitution didn’t set up a corporate dominated oligarchy, either, but here we are.
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znModeratorLast dance at the Dome with Rams ‘Legends’ game
Jim Thomas
Mike Martz said there was a certain scent, a smell to the stadium. Nothing bad, mind you, but Martz always knew when he walked into the dome.
He remembers the buzz of anticipation when the fans started filing in and the Rams went through warmups.
“And the place was always full,” Martz said. “I think the biggest thing, the fans just wanted the team to be competitive. … For a time there it was the loudest stadium in the league, wasn’t it?”
It was. What’s now called the Dome at America’s Center won’t even be close to full Saturday. As of Wednesday afternoon, about 8,000 tickets had been sold for the Legends of the Dome game, and its 2 p.m. kickoff. A sizeable walk-up crowd is expected, and organizers for the charity flag football game are hoping for 15,000.
That’s a far cry from the 65,000, 66,000 who used to pack the place back in the day. But those who do attend Saturday will have a chance to say thank you, to say goodbye, and to mingle with more than three dozen former Rams players and coaches.
Owner Stan Kroenke and the Rams’ front office never said thank you, much less goodbye, on their way to greener pastures in Los Angeles. So Saturday’s event, the brainchild of wide receiver Isaac Bruce, will serve as one last curtain call.
“It’ll give us a chance to properly close down the dome, where we had so many great memories,” left tackle Orlando Pace said. “And say goodbye to some fans that really supported us. Isaac did a great job of planning, he and his foundation. I’m just excited to be a part of it and to see the guys and share in this last moment.”
Proceeds of the event will benefit the Isaac Bruce Foundation, which remains active in the St. Louis area. The foundation focuses on health, wellness, nutrition, fitness and education of youth. It awards college scholarships, provides transportation to college for those in need, and in partnership with Ready Readers provides books for pre-schoolers.
It’s not cheap to open the dome for business, and Bruce put himself and the financial viability of the foundation out there to host the event, with expenses well over six figures.
For most of the coaches and players, it’s probably their last time in the dome. For some, it might be their last time in St. Louis, period.
“Yeah, I would believe that,” Dick Vermeil said. “It could be the last time. You know what? I know they’ll share a great experience, and they’ll have a lot of great memories.
“I think the real, true Rams fans — NFL football fans — will enjoy meeting the guys at the one-on-one sessions on Saturday and that kind of thing. And at the same time, I think we’ll raise money for Isaac’s foundation which does so much good. It’s nice of Isaac to put it together.”
Those who purchased $100 premium tickets will have an opportunity to mingle with the players on the field from 11 a.m. till noon. Only 1,000 of those tickets were available, and they went quickly — within two hours of availability.
Gates open at 12:30 p.m. for those purchasing $15 and $20 general admission tickets, but those spectators will also have a chance to meet and mingle with players on the stadium concourse from 12:30 to 1:30.
Pace will be honored at halftime for his pending Hall of Fame induction.
The game will feature four quarters with a 20-minute running clock. The format is nine-on-nine, with no blitzing and only a three-man rush allowed. The players will wear reversible jerseys, so look for some “trades” throughout the game.
Martz, for one, would like to see Bruce, Holt, Ricky Proehl, and Az-Zahir Hakim — the wide receiver mainstays of the Greatest Show on Turf — all line up at least one more time together for old time’s sake.
Ever the offensive strategist, Martz asked tournament organizers if there were any limitations on the kind of formations he could use. That got Holt, Bruce and Dane Looker wondering if they should get back in their playbooks.
“It’s so ingrained in my head,” said quarterback Marc Bulger, who estimated he still knows 70 percent of the book.
As much as he would like to call plays Saturday, Martz said, “My understanding is I don’t really do anything. But I don’t know. If they ask me, absolutely. When in doubt, go deep.”
Martz’s daughter Emily and son David still live in St. Louis. Even so, he’s leaving a family reunion of sorts this weekend in Idaho — he splits time between there and San Diego — to make the Legends game.
Vermeil has a distant relative from France staying at his ranch outside Philadelphia but is breaking away for Saturday’s event. Holt had to finesse his way around a European trip.
But not everyone will make it. Various commitments prevented running back Marshall Faulk and linebacker London Fletcher from making the game. Running back Steven Jackson, defensive end Chris Long and linebacker James Laurinaitis were invited but couldn’t attend.
But there will be plenty of past mainstays on hand, including Hall of Famer Aeneas Williams, and the “Donut Bros.” — offensive linemen Adam Timmerman and Andy McCollum.
“They’ll probably be five boxes of Krispy Kremes in the locker room just for the two of them,” Martz chuckled.
Which would be fitting.
Some players will arrive in town early enough to take part in a charity golf tournament put on Friday by Mike “The Tackle” Jones at Union Hills Golf Course in Pevely.
There’s also a dinner for Legends players scheduled Friday night downtown.
And don’t be surprised if at some point over the weekend, Vermeil addresses the troops. As only he can.
“I hope so,” he said. “I hope I get the opportunity. You know I never can shut up. I enjoy ’em, I respect ’em, and admire ’em. I know what they went through to do what they did.”
LEGENDS ROSTER
Coaches • Dick Vermeil, Mike Martz, Jim Hanifan, Al Saunders
Quarterbacks • Kurt Warner, Marc Bulger, Dave Barr
Running back • Arlen Harris
Wide receivers • Isaac Bruce, Mike Furrey, Az-Zahir Hakim, Torry Holt, Tony Horne, Dane Looker, Shaun McDonald, Ricky Proehl, Derek Stanley
Tight ends • Ernie Conwell, Brandon Manumaleuna, Roland Williams
Offensive line • Wayne Gandy, Andy McCollum, Fred Miller, Orlando Pace, Adam Timmerman, Grant Williams
Defensive line • Ray Agnew, D’Marco Farr, Jeff Zgonina
Linebackers • Chris Draft, Mike Jones, Pisa Tinoisamoa
Secondary • Dre’ Bly, Jerametrius Butler, Rich Coady, Clifton Crosby, Billy Jenkins, Keith Lyle, Dexter McCleon, Aeneas Williams
Specialists • Sean Landeta, Chris Massey, Jeff Wilkins
znModeratorBradford exceeded the 85 passer rating threshold 8 times his rookie season when he was ROY.
I wonder if Goff can reach this benchmark in 2016?
Well done. Good addition.
And Bradford did it without receivers too. Once Clayton went out.
However, that TEAM could not win every time Bradford did that. (19th ranked defense. And unlike 2015, it was around 19th ranked all year. Until it started getting banged up, the 2015 defense was a top 10 unit for a lot of the season.) So anyway, back then, Bradford being minimally good did not always lead to wins…in fact, they won about half the time when he did that.
I get that your point wasn’t about W/Ls so I am not disagreeing with anything. Just adding to the conversation.
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znModeratorOn the other hand, there are decently reasonable people of faith who do not go to war with science or resist the progress of human rights. Slaveholders used the bible to justify slavery, while insurgent slaves and abolitionists believed that god gave all individuals inherent dignity and rights.
What’s being complained about here, it looks like, is different forms of religious fundamentalism combined with a will to dominate politics and the social system.
It doesn’t all reduce to politically active conservative fundamentalists (be they politically engaged fundamentalist Christians or politically engaged fundamentalist Muslims etc….which are yes to me the same thing).
I have seen people of faith who do not buy into the fundamentalist program who can handle, with grace and sincere conviction, debates about the irrationality of religion. We all have. So “attacking religion” in general serves very little purpose.
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