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    This btw was brilliant. Good find.

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    Corporate Media Fail to Hold Trump’s Feet to Fire on Ongoing Bigotry Once Again

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    On Saturday, Donald Trump tweeted an image of a red Star of David next to a picture of Hillary Clinton with hundred dollar bills in the background, with the caption “Most Corrupt Candidate Ever” superimposed on the Star of David. A few hours later, amid strong condemnation from social media respondents, Trump deleted the image and reposted the same image except with a circle replacing the original Star of David. Unequivocally, the message is that Clinton is in the pocket of rich Jews, a stereotypical image that was harnessed by Hitler himself to build a “justification” for sending millions of Jews to their slaughter. So where was the media in covering the story? Unfortunately, the great corporate watchdog has sanitized the story, having failed to learn from history.

    During the ascent of Adolf Hitler to power, the U.S. media helped to paint a positive image of this demagogue. Not unlike corporate media’s soft pedaling of Trump, coverage of Hitler’s campaign played up the support he had from the German people, based on the numbers attending his campaign speeches, while playing down his hateful demagoguery. Shortly after Hitler became Chancellor in 1933, an article appeared in the New York Times stating, “There is at least one official voice in Europe that expresses understanding of the methods and motives of President Roosevelt — the voice of Germany, as represented by Chancellor Adolf Hitler.” The Christian Monitor even touted the virtues of Nazism, proclaiming that it had a “capacity for organization unequaled in our times by any except the Bolshevik leaders.”

    So, it is ironic to learn that the mainstream corporate media, including the New York Times, along with its network news brethren, have once again fallen down on the job. This time it is not in the coverage of a deranged foreign demagogue but, instead, in coverage of a domestic one the likes of Donald Trump.

    The New York Times’ response to Trump’s Tweet was a toothless article titled “Donald Trump Deletes Tweet Showing Hillary Clinton and Star of David Shape.” Was the real story that Trump deleted the anti-Semitic tweet or that he posted it in the first place? The article states, “Mr. Trump apparently realized the problem with the original Twitter post because he rarely apologizes for his remarks or deletes his posts. His campaign did not respond to a request for comment on Saturday.” He “apparently realized the problem”? “Realizing the problem” implies lack of intention, as though it only occurred to him that the post was Anti-Semitic after the public outcry. To put to rest the rationalization that the image was a sheriffs star mysteriously imposed upon a pile of money, Mic reported that the same image was posted about one week or so earlier on a white supremacist internet message board, and produced the link to the website. Instead of condemning what was obviously aimed at maligning Clinton in a manner that would likely resonate with the anti-Semitic faction of his base, the Times has given Trump yet another free pass to espouse hatred.

    Unfortunately, the lack of clear unequivocal condemnation was deafeningly absent from the network media nine hours after the story broke. ABC, NBC, CNN, and NBC all soft pedaled it on their websites; Fox did not even mention it, but instead focused on the FBI investigation of Hilary Clinton. Subsequently, when the independent media began to buzz with the story, the network media began to address the story, in a sanitized manner. The issue now was whether a renegade staffer posted the offensive image unbeknownst to Trump. However, on Monday, July 4, Trump tweeted, “Dishonest media is trying their absolute best to depict a star in a tweet as the Star of David rather than a Sheriff’s Star, or plain star!” The “dishonest media” is “trying its absolute best”? To the contrary, the networks followed Trump’s red herring, raising the question of whether it was a sheriff’s star, and brought in his surrogates on the issue to dignify the claim (including the infamous, former Trump Campaign advisor, now CNN commentator, Corey Lewandowki). A sheriff’s star without circles highlighting each of its points? A plain star taken from a white supremacist website? Could it be, the networks queried, that Trump “innocently” appropriated the image from someone else’s tweet? But, Trump defended the tweet, even though it originated from a white supremacist website.

    Trump’s persistent pattern of racism threatens to undermine the progress made in the past several decades in the United States on civil liberties, and to spawn a new era of Nazism, this time in America. The corporate mainstream media needs to beware. When Hitler came to power, he immediately seized the press and turned it into a Nazi propaganda machine. Trump has already taken away the press credentials from the Washington Post, among other news organizations, barring them from attending his press conferences; proclaiming that “journalists are among the worst people I know”; and lashing out at particular journalists, calling them “sleaze”; he has already made abundantly clear that he will not tolerate journalists who challenge him. Is it not also clear, therefore, what a Trump presidency would portend for the media?

    It is not acceptable to dismiss a blatant case of anti-Semitism (no less than attacks on Mexicans, Muslims, and the handicapped) espoused by someone who may well become the next President of the United States. Perhaps the media is banking on a President Trump who abandons his hateful rhetoric and assumes a “presidential” posture. This is, indeed, the hope of the GOP, which seems to think that the real Trump is not the Trump on the campaign trail. This same mistake was made by the American press in covering Hitler. Thus, a January 30, 1933 editorial in the Philadelphia Evening Bulletin stated, “there have been indications of moderation” on Hitler’s part; and on January 31, 1933, the Cleveland Press said, “appointment of Hitler as German chancellor may not be such a threat to world peace as it appears at first blush.”

    Of course, the rest is history!

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    Stanton: I’ll have chance at Cards’ QB gig once Palmer is done

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    Drew Stanton ranks near the top of any list of backup NFL quarterbacks. The veteran proved his worth in 2014 when he relieved Carson Palmer and won five of eight starts before suffering his own injury.

    As a free agent this offseason, Stanton could have chased a starting gig, but the 32-year-old decided to re-sign with the Arizona Cardinals on a two-year, $6.5 million deal with $4.5 million guaranteed. It’s good money for a backup, but Stanton believes down the line, he’ll get a shot at the starting job, Kevin Patra of NFL.com reports.

    “As you get older, I think just wanting to be a part of a good situation (is the priority),” Stanton told SiriusXM NFL Radio. “There’s not a written rule on how you become a starting quarterback in this league and how you can sustain that over a period of time. I’ve found a great situation here in Arizona. Who knows who long Carson will play for?

    “But I’ve had at-length discussions with everybody in the franchise (about the fact) that there’s a chance for me to be able to start when he’s done. So that’s the whole goal of all this.”

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    That would be big if Tavon could be effective as a pure WR, possibly a #1 WR.

    I personally dont think he has that in him.

    I like him as a multiple weapon who runs and catches passes both. I don’t think he has the makings of a pure receiver.

    If he catches passes on more types of routes, then, yay. But I think that would be just part of the overall mix.

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    …still wont make a dent in the
    political situation, coz people are afraid.

    Actually.

    More than one study has shown that fear of crime leads to increased backing for gun control.

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    Yeah, i’ve read that argument, but i dont buy it. Though I dont discount it either. I think its complicated.

    I think fear of crime leads to all kinds of things, including cognitive dissonance. I think it leads to some people wanting some forms of gun control. But i also think it leads some people to want hand-guns in the home. Etc and so forth.

    I dont think its as simple as “fear of crime leads to more folks wanting gun control”.

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    This is where we get into “what studies show” v. “I think xyz.”

    All I can say is, I found the studies convincing.

    You know the real reason the NRA has so much power, btw?

    John Oliver nailed it.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtTHzegMWA0

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    But that’s not “the left.” Will you at least admit that Jeffrey Lord is wildly mistaken in asserting that the KKK was a “leftist” organization, and that the Nazis were?

    Exactly. That kind of stuff right there qualifies the writer as a know-little partisan muck stirrer and little else.

    No one can go around in the company of genuinely informed people and call the KKK and the Nazi’s “leftists” without producing embarassed silence.

    What can you say, it’s american spectator.

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    Well, even if one enters the reality-tunnel of that writer, and even if one tries to find some logic in his article, it doesn’t demonstrate that Trump is not a racist. I mean, for example, one could love Jews and still be anti-muslim, right?

    Also this: “…the American Left was on-record supporting slavery, segregation, lynching and, as noted by historians…”

    Linking the so-called ‘left’ to slavery and lynching is kinda meaningless because it lacks any context. I mean in the 1850’s you had all kinds of mainstream people supporting slavery. It wasn’t a ‘left vs right’ thing. And in the 1910’s and 20’s you had plenty of Dems and plenty of Reps supporting lynching of minorities. It wasn’t a ‘left vs right’ thing. It was an American thing.

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    Yeah it;s a bot-site style history-lite partisan hit piece.

    An especially extra defensive one at that.

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    …still wont make a dent in the
    political situation, coz people are afraid.

    Actually.

    More than one study has shown that fear of crime leads to increased backing for gun control.

    in reply to: any Game of Thrones guys here? #47887
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    is more ‘political’ than anything else. I wish George Martin (or substitute any fantasy writer, film-maker) would have added a faction, or tribe, or kingdom, or family that stood for democratic-socialism.

    He did. It just wasn’t seen in the final episodes of Season 6. It’s the so-called Brotherhood Without Banners. Or there’s an element of that in them.

    The Brotherhood Without Banners is an outlaw group working against Lannister interests in the Riverlands at the time of the War of the Five Kings, though their goal is to protect the smallfolk from any force preying on them, regardless of which King or Lord they support.

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    i do not like them.

    I hope you like lilies. Cause, they’re a-comin.

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    So an angry guy just shooting people to me isn’t trumped by an armed guy defending himself.

    I am more concerned about the angry guy who could just walk around with a gun shooting people.

    Plus the fact that very few if any people would ever be able to tell in advance which guy would do which thing.

    Plus all of that stuff about what “the media never tells you” ( )… I think the folks who say that aren’t going to tell us about things like this:

    Concealed Carry Permit Holders Are Killing People, But Not In Self Defense

    http://addictinginfo.org/2015/10/26/concealed-carry-permit-holders-are-killing-people-but-not-in-self-defense/

    Since 2007, at least 763 people have been killed by someone with a concealed carry permit. Those deaths are the result of 579 separate shootings, all initiated by someone who was given the legal right to carry a concealed weapon in our communities– our schools, churches, shopping centers, movie theaters and everywhere else.

    The NRA desperately wants us to believe that giving ammosexual assholes the right to carry guns into our public spaces is going to make us so much safer. They keep telling us that “only a good guy with a gun can stop a bad guy with a gun.”

    And yet, out of the 579 shootings carried out by concealed carry permit holders since 2007, just 21 were in self defense. That equates to about four percent of all shootings in which the shooter was licensed to carry a concealed weapon.

    Even more telling, more than 97 percent of the 763 deaths caused by someone with a concealed carry permit were not related to self defense in any way.

    Concealed carry permit holders have been responsible for 29 separate mass shootings which took the lives of three or more people. In total, concealed carry permit holders murdered 139 innocent people in mass shootings during this time period.

    They’ve also killed nearly as many police officers as they have “bad guys with guns.” Concealed carry permit owners have shot and killed 17 law enforcement officers, compared to the 21 people they shot in self-defense.

    The NRA claims that owning a gun empowers people to “defend their lives.” Yet while only 21 concealed carry permit holders used their weapon in self defense, 223 of them used a gun to end, not defend, their own lives.

    For years the NRA’s allies in Washington have blocked federal funding for the study of guns and gun violence in the United States. There’s good reason for that. Facts destroy NRA myths, lies and talking points.

    All across the country, right wing state and local governments are forcing insane gun policies down the throats of their constituents, with zero evidence to show that those policies are in the best interest of the public.

    A new project from the Violence Policy Center is collecting the data that the NRA and its right-wing allies in Washington do not want the public to see. That data on concealedcarrykillers.org shows that the push for expanded concealed carry laws is an immediate threat to the health and safety of every citizen in the U.S., including law enforcement officers.

    Not only are expanded concealed carry laws unnecessary (as they do nothing to reduce crime) they are completely irresponsible.

    Think about it. Thanks to the NRA, “bad guys with guns” have the same access to concealed carry permits as any supposed “good guys with guns.” Any attempt to weed out criminals or people with mental illness, is treated as “an attack on the second amendment rights of gun owners everywhere.”

    As it turns out, when you look at the facts on shootings perpetrated by someone who had a concealed carry permit, these are anything but “good guys” killing in self defense.

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    Armed good Samaritan tries to stop carjacking, accidentally shoots victim in head

    Armed good Samaritan tries to stop carjacking, accidentally shoots victim in head

    A carjacking in Houston, Texas, turned bloody when an armed good Samaritan opened fire on the car thieves but hit the carjacking victim instead, reported Raw Story:

    As the men struggled with the car-owner, a passerby produced a gun and fired multiple shots, missing the thieves but striking the victim in the head.

    Apparently the not-so-heroic shooter was well aware of what he’d done as he “quickly gathered up his shell casings from the pavement” and then fled the scene of the crime that was made immeasurably worse through his involvement.

    So, while ostensibly trying to help, all the man succeeded in doing was going from innocent bystander to wanted man in record time and sending an innocent man to the hospital. Luckily for everyone involved the victim of the carjacking turned shooting is reportedly in “stable condition.”

    You can see how this sort of thing can easily happen when an untrained civilian with a gun witnesses a crime and gets involved, barrels a’blazing. It’s an important reminder that the nutty claims that emerge after every shooting, claiming that the solution to gun crime is more guns, are a crock.

    The chorus usually goes something like: “If only more people in that movie theater had had guns, lives would have been saved!” …Or more would have died in a chaotic shootout. It could really go either way. Everybody wants to be a hero but introducing more bullets to a situation rarely improves matters.

    in reply to: sorry we lost the "Kankuamo marquezi" thread #47870
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    These hairs are different from hairs covering the body of tarantulas because they have a penetrating tip, which allows the hair to embed in the skin or mucous membranes and cause irritation….”

    I don’t know, man…that’s pretty lightweight stuff.

    Read up about the Comanche. They went WAY beyond “causing irritation.”

    For example, Comanche internet trolls are infamous for causing white hot blistering rage.

    If you ask me, that’s a few levels above mere “irritation.”

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    Figured out how to restore the lost thread.

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    in reply to: John Locke and the real meaning of "Property Rights." #47860
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    They were also slave traders profiting immensely from the sale of prisoners as slaves-primarily from their devastating raids into Mexico but also from their capture of prisoners from warfare with other tribes.

    You know the history so you know the Comanche destroyed the Apache. Apache settlements were smaller and were built around agriculture, so they tended not to be mobile. They were easy for the far more mobile Comanche to find and easy for them to eradicate. This drove the Apache into mountainous regions where they were less vulnerable.

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    . Not only did they steal horses from other tribes and settlers but they were particularly skilled in gathering ferel horses, breaking them, and using them in battle.

    They also bred and sold horses.

    In fact it was hard to deal with the comanche because they would make treaties with one area of Texas and not another. They didn’t recognize a general “government of Texas.” In the areas where they had treaties, they became primary horse dealers.

    Each individual comanache would own anywhere from 5 to 1000 horses (though the highest number would tend to be a highly regarded veteran war leader).

    You’re right, they were great horse warriors of their world. Some have said they were the greatest horse warriors in history; some have said it’s the comanche and the mongols both, each in different ways. A comanche warrior could hang from the side of his horse and aim a bow and arrow accurately from that position, shooting from the side of the horse’s neck.

    It wasn’t just war though. Comanche prized mobility. So much so that they simply failed to understand jails and prisons—the comanche had a fierce reputation for torturing prisoners, and saw nothing wrong with that, but to them, locking someone up in a closed space meant they were not being regarded as human. Take away a man’s ability to move freely, and he was no longer really a person.

    And of course they hunted from horseback.

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    Phase 2.b

    Astilbe & hostas.

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    Scratched it all out of nothing. Terrible soil to start with. Been working on it for 20 years. Over 30 fruit trees, grapes, thornless blackberries, asparagus, hops.

    Put up pics if you can.

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    Bruce Arians cut a Cardinals player for parking in the wrong spot

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/bruce-arians-cut-a-cardinals-player-for-parking-in-the-wrong-spot/ar-AAi4LaU?li=BBnb7Kz

    Amazon and NFL Films put together an incredible series called “All or Nothing” that follows the Arizona Cardinals throughout the entire 2015-16 season. It’s basically “Hard Knocks,” but for an entire year, the first time a film crew has been able to do such a thing.

    In Episode 1 of the series, coach Bruce Arians discusses parking spots. He got fired up when explaining where to leave your car before you head to work, but we would soon understand the importance of his words.

    Episode 3 brought a behind-the-scenes look at why Arizona parted with practice squad player Lawrence Okoye. When he was released in October, there wasn’t much of a fuss, but the reasoning for his release shows just how hard it is to maintain a roster spot in the NFL.

    “Parked in the wrong spot,” Arians said to general manager Steve Keim and team president Michael Bidwill. “There weren’t any parking places, so he just parked and came running in. Tough (expletive), bro.”

    The next scene shows defensive lineman Ed Stinson speaking to Olsen Pierre, who was signed to the practice squad when Okoye was released.

    IYER: Arizona among teams in do-or-die mode

    “If you ain’t got no spot to park in, just park in that next parking lot,” he says, speaking about a nearby lot.

    “If it says ‘handicap’ or if it says ‘season ticket holder,’ the guy that you replaced, he parked there,” Arians adds. “We ain’t got many rules.”

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    ZN,

    Your plant with the big bad teeth pic bothered me a great deal

    You know that’s from Little Shop of Horrors.

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    No, it was me. I don’t know what I did but I have trouble maneuvering through the site when on my cell phone. All I know is one moment I was looking at the thread and the next it was gone.

    Well if it’s any consolation, I don’t like pictures of big fat ole tarantulas either.

    I just, you know, don’t consciously and deliberately set out to destroy them in a cunning pre-meditated way and then try to act all innocent about it.

    But it takes all kinds so I am not judging.

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    Well we differ on that.

    For example what is the Comanche view on owning a horse?

    Interesting question right there.

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    And I think those key element point to “far-reaching and nuanced historical analysis,” etc. etc

    Well we differ on that.

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    I don’t like reductive political blog-itorials, no matter what their orientation.

    Locke on property is a very complex issue and does not reduce to the things being said here.

    And I have no agenda in this other than that of preferring far-reaching and nuanced historical analysis over any of its opposites.

    Historical Overview

    http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/property/

    There are extensive discussions of property in the writings of Plato, Aristotle, Aquinas, Hegel, Hobbes, Locke, Hume, Kant, Marx, and Mill. The range of justificatory themes they consider is very broad, and I shall begin with a summary.

    The ancient authors speculated about the relation between property and virtue, a natural subject for discussion since justifying private property raises serious questions about the legitimacy of self-interested activity. Plato (Republic, 462b-c) argued that collective ownership was necessary to promote common pursuit of the common interest, and to avoid the social divisiveness that would occur ‘when some grieve exceedingly and others rejoice at the same happenings.’ Aristotle responded by arguing that private ownership promotes virtues like prudence and responsibility: ‘[W]hen everyone has a distinct interest, men will not complain of one another, and they will make more progress, because every one will be attending to his own business’ (Aristotle, Politics, 1263a). Even altruism, said Aristotle, might be better promoted by focusing ethical attention on the way a person exercises his rights of private property rather than questioning the institution itself (ibid.). Aristotle also reflected on the relation between property and freedom, and the contribution that ownership makes to a person’s being a free man and thus suitable for citizenship. The Greeks took liberty to be a status defined by contrast with slavery, and for Aristotle, to be free was to belong to oneself, to be one’s own man, whereas the slave was by nature the property of another. Self-possession was connected with having sufficient distance from one’s desires to enable the practice of virtuous self-control. On this account, the natural slave was unfree because his reason could not prescribe a rule to his bodily appetites. Aristotle had no hesitation in extending this point beyond slavery to the conditions of ‘the meaner sort of workman.’ Obsessed with need, the poor are ‘too degraded’ to participate in politics like free men. ‘You could no more make a city out of paupers,’ wrote Aristotle, ‘than out of slaves’ (ibid., 1278a). They must be ruled like slaves, for otherwise their pressing and immediate needs will issue in envy and violence. Some of these themes have emerged more recently in civic republican theories, though modern theories of citizenship tend to begin with a sense of who should be citizens (all adult residents) and then proceed to argue that they should all have property, rather than using existing wealth as an independent criterion for the franchise (King and Waldron 1988).

    In the medieval period, Thomas Aquinas continued discussion of the Aristotlean idea that virtue might be expressed in the use that one makes of one’s property. But Aquinas gave it a sharper edge. Not only do the rich have moral obligations to act generously, but the poor also have rights against the rich. Beginning from the premise that ‘[a]ccording to the natural order established by Divine Providence, inferior things are ordained for the purpose of succoring man’s needs…’ (Aquinas ST, p. 72), Aquinas argued that no division of resources based on human law can prevail over the necessities associated with destitution. This is a theme which recurs throughout our tradition—most notably in Locke’s First Treatise on Government, (Locke 1988 [1689], I, para. 42)—as an essential qualification of whatever else is said about the legitimacy of private property (Horne 1990).

    In the early modern period, philosophers turned their attention to the way in which property might have been instituted, with Hobbes and Hume arguing that there is no natural ‘mine’ or ‘thine,’ and that property must be understood as the creation of the sovereign state (Hobbes 1983 [1647]) or at the very least the artificial product of a convention ‘enter’d into by all the members of the society to bestow stability on the possession of…external goods, and leave every one in the peaceable enjoyment of what he may acquire by his fortune and industry’ (Hume 1978 [1739], p. 489). John Locke (1988 [1689]), on the other hand, was adamant that property could have been instituted in a state of nature without any special conventions or political decisions.

    Locke’s theory is widely regarded as the most interesting of the canonical discussions of property. In part this is a result of how he began his account; because he took as his starting point that God gave the world to men in common, he had to acknowledge from the outset that private entitlements pose a moral problem. How do we move from a common endowment to the ‘disproportionate and unequal Possession of the Earth’ that seems to go along with private property? Unlike some of his predecessors, Locke did not base his resolution of this difficulty on any theory of universal (even tacit) consent. Instead, in the most famous passage of his chapter on property, he gave a moral defense of the legitimacy of unilateral appropriation.

    Though the Earth…be common to all Men, yet every Man has a Property in his own Person. This no Body has any Right to but himself. The Labour of his Body, and the Work of his Hands, we may say, are properly his. Whatsoever then he removes out of the State that Nature hath provided, and left it in, he hath mixed his Labour with, and joyned to it something that is his own, and thereby makes it his Property. It being by him removed from the common state Nature placed it in, it hath by this labour something annexed to it, that excludes the common right of other Men. (Locke 1988 [1689], II, para. 27)
    The interest of Locke’s account lies in the way he combines the structure of a theory of first occupancy with an account of the substantive moral significance of labor. In the hands of writers like Samuel Pufendorf (1991 [1673], p. 84), First Occupancy theory proceeded on the basis that the first human user of a natural resource—a piece of land, for example—is distinguished from all others in that he did not have to displace anyone else in order to take possession. It did not particularly matter how he took possession of it, or what sort of use he made of it: what mattered was that he began acting as its owner without dispossessing anyone else. Now although Locke used the logic of this account, it did matter for him that the land was cultivated or in some other way used productively. (For this reason, he expressed doubts whether indigenous hunters or nomadic peoples could properly be regarded as owners of the land over which they roamed.) This is partly because Locke identified the ownership of labor as something connected substantially to the primal ownership of self. But it was also because he thought the productivity of labor would help answer some of the difficulties which he saw in First Occupancy theory. Though the first occupier does not actually dispossess anyone, still his acquisition may prejudice other’s interests of others if there is not, in Locke’s words, ‘enough and as good left in common’ for them to enjoy (Locke 1988 [1689], II, para. 27). Locke’s answer to this difficulty was to emphasize that appropriation by productive labor actually increased the amount of goods available in society for others (ibid., II, para. 37).

    Immanuel Kant’s work on property is less well known than Locke’s, and is more formal and abstract. Kant began by emphasizing a general connection between property and agency, maintaining that there would be an affront to agency and thus to human personality, if some system were not arrived at which could permit useful objects to be used. He inferred from this that ‘it is a duty of right to act towards others so that what is external (usable) could also become someone’s’ (Kant 1991 [1797], p. 74) Though this legitimated unilateral appropriation, it did so only in a provisional way. Since the appropriation of a resource as private property affects everyone else’s position (imposing duties on them that they would otherwise not have), it cannot acquire full legitimacy by unilateral action: it must be ratified by an arrangement which respects everyone’s interests in this matter. So the force of the principle requiring people to act so that external objects can be used as property also requires them to enter into a civil constitution, which will actually settle who is to be the owner of what on a basis that is fair to all.

    G.W.F. Hegel’s account of property centers on the contribution property makes to the development of the self, ‘superseding and replacing the subjective phase of personality’ (1967 [1821], para. 41a) and giving some sort of external reality to what would otherwise be the mere idea of individual freedom. These rather obscure formulations were taken up also by the English idealists, most notably by T.H. Green (1941 [1895]), who emphasized the contribution that ownership makes to ethical development, to the growth of the will and a sense of responsibility. But neither of these writers thought of the development of the individual person as the be-all and end-all of property. In both cases it was thought of as a stage in the growth of social responsibility. Both saw the freedom embodied in property as ultimately positive freedom—freedom to choose rationally and responsibly for the wider social good. In Karl Marx’s philosophy, Hegel’s sense of there being several stages in the growth of positive freedom is framed in terms of stages of social development rather than stages of the growth of individuals (Marx 1972 [1862]). And for Marx, as for Plato, social responsibility in the exercise of private property rights is never enough. The whole trajectory of the development of modern society, says Marx, is towards large-scale cooperative labor. This may be masked by forms of property that treat vast corporations as private owners, but eventually this carapace will be abandoned and collectivist economic relations will emerge and be celebrated as such.

    The general merits of private property versus socialism thus became a subject of genuine debate in the nineteenth and twentieth centuries. John Stuart Mill, with his characteristic open-mindedness treated communism as a genuine option, and he confronted objections to the collectivist ideal with the suggestion that the inequitable distribution of property in actually existing capitalist societies already partakes of many of these difficulties. He insisted however, that private property be given a fair hearing as well:

    If…the choice were to be made between Communism…and the present state of society with all its sufferings and injustices,…all the difficulties, great or small, of Communism would be but as dust in the balance. But to make the comparison applicable, we must compare Communism at its best, with the regime of individual property, not as it is, but as it might be made…The laws of property have never yet conformed to the principles on which the justification of private property rests. (Mill 1994[1848], pp. 14–15)
    Mill is surely right, at least so far as the aims of a philosophical discussion of property are concerned. Indeed, one way of looking at the history we have just briefly surveyed is that it is the history of successive attempts to tease out, from the mess of actually-existing maldistribution and exploitation, some sense of the true principles on which the justification of an ideal system of private property would rest, and a sense too of other aspects of moral enterprise which such an institution might serve.

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    Getting the facts straight about the Founding Fathers

    Invoking the Founding Fathers on Independence Day to celebrate our nation’s birth is a fine thing to do.

    Invoking them to score political points? Watch out.

    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2014/jul/03/fact-checking-founding-fathers-misquoting/

    Take, for example, a Facebook post about Benjamin Franklin that circulated in May, a post that was actually aimed at making fun of tea party favorite Rep. Michele Bachmann, R-Minn. The meme quotes Bachmann as saying, “This country could use a president like Benjamin Franklin again.” Of course, Franklin was never president. And we think Bachmann knows that, as well, because she never actually said the quote. We rated the fabricated Facebook meme Pants on Fire.

    It’s not just claims on social media. Pundits and politicians get things wrong time and time again when they use the Founding Fathers to support their political views. Over the years, PolitiFact has found numerous errors about what the Founding Fathers supposedly said or did, especially when it comes to constitutional issues and civil rights.

    Talking about the First Amendment, radio host Bryan Fischer of American Family Radio said that “by the word ‘religion’ in the First Amendment, the founders meant Christianity.”

    Our research and interviews with historians showed that the Founding Fathers pretty clearly meant all religion. For example, we found that both Benjamin Franklin and John Adams referred to Islam when discussing religious freedom, typically referring to Muslims as Mahometans. We rated the claim Pants on Fire.

    On the other side of the political aisle, Keith Olbermann — at the time a commentator on the liberal network MSNBC — said that Adams as president signed the Treaty of Tripoli as an “outreach to Muslims.” That claim went too far. Olbermann downplayed the overriding purpose: to protect American ships from pirates that happened to be Muslim. We rated his statement Half True.

    On the Second Amendment, we’ve looked into comments from U.S. Rep. Louie Gohmert, R-Texas, about George Washington. According to Gohmert, Washington said that a free people “should be an armed people. It ensures against the tyranny of the government.” We rated that claim False, because Washington was actually talking about developing a militia to protect the new nation — on behalf of the government, not against it.

    Quite a few people have made claims about Washington’s commitment to Christianity. Talk show host Rush Limbaugh, for example, said, “You can’t read a speech by George Washington … without hearing him reference God.” In fact, several of his important speeches — such as his second inaugural address and annual message to Congress — didn’t mention God. We rated Limbaugh’s statement False.

    In fact, Washington was not a particularly devout Christian. Rep. Duncan Hunter, R-Calif., once got a False from PolitiFact for saying, “Our first president and our first commander in chief prayed every day. He had a field manual of prayers.” Scholars say Washington was more of a deist than a Christian, and the book of prayers’ connection to Washington has been debunked.

    We’ve also seen the Founding Fathers portrayed as fervent champions of the free market. In November 2010, Florida Gov.-elect Rick Scott said complaints about government regulations are “so old that Thomas Jefferson listed this problem among his charges against the King of England in the Declaration of Independence.” Scott correctly quoted Jefferson, but we found that Jefferson’s grievances in this case were directed at King George’s interference in the colonies, rather than government regulation in general. We rated that claim Half True.

    The Declaration of Independence was adopted on July 4, 1776, but at least one former presidential candidate got it mixed up with the Constitution. Herman Cain said that “life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness” and “the right of the people to alter or abolish (the government)” were part of the Constitution. Both clauses are in the Declaration of Independence. We rated his statement False.

    Other have claimed that President Barack Obama misquoted the Declaration of Independence. A political action committee called The Government is Not Good put out an advertisement that said Obama was the “only president in history who has deliberately removed the words ‘endowed by their Creator’ when referring to the Declaration of Independence.” However, Obama has used the phrase multiple times, and we found that former President Ronald Reagan left it out sometimes, too. We rated that claim False.

    When PolitiFact named Obama’s claim that “if you like your health care plan, you can keep it” the Lie of the Year for 2013, a reader tweeted: ” ‘Half a truth is often a great lie.’ – Benjamin Franklin.” The reader accurately quoted Franklin, whose sayings on truth don’t end there. In his iconic text Poor Richard’s Almanack, Franklin also said, “A lie stands on one leg, a truth on two,” and, “When the wine enters, out goes the truth.”

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    Donald Trump’s anti-trade rhetoric is textbook hypocrisy

    Richard L Trumka

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/jul/04/richard-trumka-donald-trump-anti-trade-hypocrisy

    “Outsourcing Creates Jobs in the Long Run”.

    That was the title of a blog written by Donald Trump for his students at the now defunct Trump University. You see, long before Trump made speeches this week in Pennsylvania and Ohio decrying the consequences of unfair trade deals, he was the head cheerleader and a major beneficiary of the policies that have battered America’s manufacturing base for decades. If you want to know Trump’s true position on the current corporate trade model, all you have to do is follow the money.

    Trump has consistently sent American jobs overseas to line his own pockets. He personally profited from the North American Free Trade Agreement (Nafta). Most of his suits, ties and cufflinks are made in China. His dress shirts are made in Bangladesh. His furniture is made in Turkey. Trump talks a good game on trade, but his first and only loyalty is to himself. He embodies everything that is wrong with our current trade policies, from which CEOs thrive and everyday families suffer.

    And how about the occasions when he kept his business in America? Time and again, working people got stiffed. Trump has literally failed to pay hundreds of people and companies who have faithfully done work for him. And it’s not just now and then, or long ago. In April, he didn’t pay servers at a Passover event who worked 20 hours straight.

    You’ll have to forgive our skepticism that Donald Trump is actually a friend of working people. He said our wages are too high. Really, he did. Trump wants to destroy labor unions. His position on wage-suppressing right-to-work laws is “100%”, and he has routinely moved union jobs to right-to-work states. Trump actually rooted for the collapse of the housing and real estate market. He bet on himself and against America. People lost their homes, their jobs and their life savings. And Donald Trump was cheering all the way to the bank.

    Hard-working families in Pennsylvania, Ohio and across America are hungry for a new direction on trade. They are sick and tired of policies that destroy jobs and hold down wages. At the AFL-CIO, we are focused on rewriting the trade rules, the structures that for too long have left our communities poorer and weaker.

    This isn’t a matter of whether or not to trade. It’s about what the rules are and who benefits from them. Of course, we should open up new markets for our products and do business all over the world. The real challenge is to advance trade policy that creates shared prosperity. The pending Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP), like Nafta before it, fails that test miserably.

    Donald Trump’s anti-trade rhetoric amounts to little more than bandwagon bluster and textbook hypocrisy. He knows the TPP is unpopular in the states he needs to win so he pretends to care about lost jobs and shuttered factories. But Trump has always seen working people as nothing more than a means to an end: labor to be exploited, customers to be bilked and human capital to be used and then discarded. We refuse to sit back and be co-opted as a talking point for a profiteer who has traded away our future for his own personal gain. It’s our job to explain that Donald Trump is not the answer to our trade problems – he is the problem.

    Richard L Trumka is president of the AFL-CIO, America’s largest union federation

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    off the net from RamFan503

    I think that Austin’s rushing total will be higher. In terms of catches, I think our receivers will be more productive AND so will TA. I just don’t buy that you bring in guys like TA and strive for a conservative offense. I personally think Fisher wants to open things up but the level of QB play and O-line problems have not allowed for it. Even if Keenum starts, he will be far more on the same page with his receivers this year than last so he will be able to hit more of them in stride. That will be huge for getting TA that room to make the first guy miss. From there, a lot can and does happen with TA.

    So far, Austin has done inside runs, misdirection runs, jet sweeps, reverses, and bubble screens. All these plays get him the ball at or behind the line of scrimmage. Austin hasn’t done 10 yards outs, go routes, double moves, back-shoulder timing plays, zone floods, or jump balls.

    Can he do the things he hasn’t done much so far? I would contend that he hasn’t been much of a factor with crossing routes and double moves because we haven’t had the QB play to take advantage of his ability there. On the few occasions we have, he either was able to burn defenses bad or draw what was or should have been PI calls. On deep balls, there is really nothing that indicates he can’t do just that. If Foles wouldn’t have thrown the ball too deep or out of bounds on a few of those plays, TA has his man beat easily. And TA did do the 10 yard out and stop route too but by the time the ball got there, the defender was wearing the same shoes as TA. Timing and the ability to get the ball in his hands in the right position had everything to do with those plays being blown up before they could get started. Getting him out in space isn’t only about play design or that others were not drawing defenders. The QB has to pull the trigger. It looked like Keenum was starting to get some of that down but that is not going to happen with 4 games left in the season and a new OC.

    I saw a lot of plays just left on the field because the execution was extremely poor. It’s a big if but IF the players look like they are reading from the same playbook and the QB delivers the ball when and where it is supposed to be delivered, those plays can work. And a guy like TA can take any one of them to the house with just one mistake by the defense.

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    Robert Reich:

    The Trans Pacific Partnership is a travesty. It would make it more difficult to improve health, safety, environmental, investors, and labor protections in the U.S. and in every nation that signs it, and make it easier to outsource labor abroad. Yet the TPP is still moving forward. Congress will vote on it after the November elections.

    And here’s the really infuriating thing: Even though Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders are both against it, the committee that’s drafting the Democratic platform voted against a provision rejecting it.

    Please join me in adding your name to my petition asking the full Democratic Platform Committee to do the right thing, and reject the TPP.

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    SIGN ROBERT REICH’S PETITION: Tell the Democratic Platform Committee to take a stand against the Trans-Pacific Partnership

    To the DNC Platform Committee:

    The Democratic Party needs to show solidarity with working families by taking a stand against the Trans-Pacific Partnership in the party platform. Please adopt an anti-TPP amendment on July 8 in Orlando. Read more…

    Time is running out to show your support for one of the most important battles that our movement is fighting over the Democratic Party platform before the DNC convention.

    Opposition to the job-killing Trans-Pacific Partnership should not be controversial within the Democratic Party: Both Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton campaigned against the TPP during this year’s presidential primary.

    Will you join Robert Reich, Bernie Sanders, Keith Ellison, and DFA to demand that the Democratic Party take a stand against the TPP in the party platform? Please add your name now.

    DEADLINE: 2pm ET on Wednesday, July 7.

    http://act.democracyforamerica.com/sign/stopTPPinDNCplatform/?source=160703tppdncrr

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    Note: I posted this article in another thread and then decided to copy it here too. So it’s in two places.

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    The Trump trade scam

    Posted June 29, 2016 at 5:14 pm by Lawrence Mishel

    The Trump trade scam

    Yesterday, presumptive Republican nominee Donald Trump gave a speech on trade, extensively citing EPI’s research which shows that trade deficits as a result of NAFTA and other trade deals, as well as trade with China, have cost U.S. jobs and driven down U.S. wages. It’s true that the way we have undertaken globalization has hurt the vast majority of working people in this country—a view that EPI has been articulating for years, and that we will continue to articulate well after November. However, Trump’s speech makes it seem as if globalization is solely responsible for wage suppression, and that elite Democrats are solely responsible for globalization. Missing from his tale is the role of corporations and their allies have played in pushing this agenda, and the role the party he leads has played in implementing it. After all, NAFTA never would have passed without GOP votes, as two-thirds of the House Democrats opposed it.

    Furthermore, Trump has heretofore ignored the many other intentional policies that businesses and the top 1 percent have pushed to suppress wages over the last four decades. Start with excessive unemployment due to Federal Reserve Board policies which were antagonistic to wage growth and friendly to the finance sector and bondholders. Excessive unemployment leads to less wage growth, especially for low- and middle-wage workers. Add in government austerity at the federal and state levels—which has mostly been pushed by GOP governors and legislatures—that has impeded the recovery and stunted wage growth. There’s also the decimation of collective bargaining, which is the single largest reason that middle class wages have faltered. Meanwhile, the minimum wage is now more than 25 percent below its 1968 level, even though productivity since then has more than doubled. Phasing in a $15 minimum wage would lift wages for at least a third of the workforce. The most recent example is the effort to overturn the recent raising of the overtime threshold that would help more than 12 million middle-wage salaried workers obtain overtime protections.

    Trump is absent or wrong on all these issues. He has said in the past that wages are too high. And he argues, without basis, that businesses are overregulated and overtaxed—further ingratiating himself to corporate elites and the party he now leads. Deregulation and tax cuts are have been tried and failed for the last four decades, simply enriching the rich without stimulating any growth.

    Trump’s latest take on trade is a scam. He claims to be offering a path for workers, but is actually just offering mostly empty boxes on trade. What exactly is he trying to accomplish with renegotiated trade deals? And if is he so keen to help working people, why does he then steer the discussion back toward the traditional corporate agenda of tax cuts for corporations and the rich? Some pro-worker, anti-elite populist Trump is.

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    There is absolutely no case in our history wherein tax cuts for the rich have resulted in a decrease in the gap between rich and poor.

    Or to put that different, there is absolutely no case in our history wherein tax cuts for the rich have resulted in growth in jobs and wages.

    The wealthy invest money to make money off of money.

    This fantasy that they use it to invest or propel the economy is an old belief ranking right up there with fear of witches.

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    The Trump trade scam

    Posted June 29, 2016 at 5:14 pm by Lawrence Mishel

    The Trump trade scam

    Yesterday, presumptive Republican nominee Donald Trump gave a speech on trade, extensively citing EPI’s research which shows that trade deficits as a result of NAFTA and other trade deals, as well as trade with China, have cost U.S. jobs and driven down U.S. wages. It’s true that the way we have undertaken globalization has hurt the vast majority of working people in this country—a view that EPI has been articulating for years, and that we will continue to articulate well after November. However, Trump’s speech makes it seem as if globalization is solely responsible for wage suppression, and that elite Democrats are solely responsible for globalization. Missing from his tale is the role of corporations and their allies have played in pushing this agenda, and the role the party he leads has played in implementing it. After all, NAFTA never would have passed without GOP votes, as two-thirds of the House Democrats opposed it.

    Furthermore, Trump has heretofore ignored the many other intentional policies that businesses and the top 1 percent have pushed to suppress wages over the last four decades. Start with excessive unemployment due to Federal Reserve Board policies which were antagonistic to wage growth and friendly to the finance sector and bondholders. Excessive unemployment leads to less wage growth, especially for low- and middle-wage workers. Add in government austerity at the federal and state levels—which has mostly been pushed by GOP governors and legislatures—that has impeded the recovery and stunted wage growth. There’s also the decimation of collective bargaining, which is the single largest reason that middle class wages have faltered. Meanwhile, the minimum wage is now more than 25 percent below its 1968 level, even though productivity since then has more than doubled. Phasing in a $15 minimum wage would lift wages for at least a third of the workforce. The most recent example is the effort to overturn the recent raising of the overtime threshold that would help more than 12 million middle-wage salaried workers obtain overtime protections.

    Trump is absent or wrong on all these issues. He has said in the past that wages are too high. And he argues, without basis, that businesses are overregulated and overtaxed—further ingratiating himself to corporate elites and the party he now leads. Deregulation and tax cuts are have been tried and failed for the last four decades, simply enriching the rich without stimulating any growth.

    Trump’s latest take on trade is a scam. He claims to be offering a path for workers, but is actually just offering mostly empty boxes on trade. What exactly is he trying to accomplish with renegotiated trade deals? And if is he so keen to help working people, why does he then steer the discussion back toward the traditional corporate agenda of tax cuts for corporations and the rich? Some pro-worker, anti-elite populist Trump is.

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    Struck out on the coding.

    I’ll just post a link:

    Advantageous

    It;s simple and I fixed it. For you tubes here, you just plop the url right in the post box, without using any of the functions. If you go back to the post I fixed, you will see what I did.

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