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  • #47707
    wv
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    http://www.sci-news.com/biology/tarantula-gabriel-garcia-marquez-03988.html
    Newly-Discovered Species of Tarantula Named after Gabriel Garcia Marquez

    A relatively large species of tarantula discovered in an isolated mountain range in Colombia has been named after the famed Colombian novelist and 1982 Nobel Prize in Literature winner Gabriel García Márquez.

    The new spider, scientifically named Kankuamo marquezi, was discovered in the Colombian mountain range Sierra Nevada de Santa Marta.

    With its extraordinary defensive hairs, Kankuamo marquezi proved itself as not only a new species, but also a new genus.

    A team of scientists led by Dr. Carlos Perafán from the University of the Republic, Uruguay, described the new genus and species in the journal ZooKeys.

    “Kankuamo is a noun in apposition and refers to the indigenous people of the Chibcha family from the Caribbean region of Colombia, which inhabits the eastern slope of the Sierra Nevada de Santa Marta, whose language and culture are at endangered,” the researchers explained.

    “The specific epithet is a noun in genitive in honor to Gabriel García Márquez, who was a renowned Colombian writer, considered one of the most significant authors of the 20th century, and awarded the 1982 Nobel Prize in Literature for One Hundred years of Solitude.”

    When examined, Kankuamo marquezi showed something extraordinary about its defensive hairs and its genitalia.

    The hairs were noted to form a small oval patch of lance-shaped barbs, hypothesized by the team to have evolved to defend their owners by direct contact.

    On the other hand, when defending against their aggressors, the rest of the tarantulas in the Theraphosinae subfamily need to first face the offender and then vigorously rub their hind legs against their stomachs.

    Aimed and shot at the enemy, a ball of stinging hairs can cause fatal injuries to small mammals when landed into their mucous membrane. Once thrown, the hairs leave a bald spot on the tarantula’s belly.

    “This new finding is a great contribution to the knowledge of the arachnids in Colombia and a sign of how much remains to be discovered,” Dr. Perafán and co-authors said.

    #47709
    nittany ram
    Moderator

    “Kankuamo is a noun in apposition…”

    Not sitting there by itself it isn’t. If you say, “The new tarantula, Kankuamo was discovered in the mountains of Columbia.” now it is a noun in apposition.

    And I’m not sure ‘marquezi’ is genitive. The genitive case implies possession…John’s glove, Joe’s car, wv’s aungst…not sure marquezi fits.

    ‘marquezi’ refers to a particular species within the genus Kankuamo. So it seems to me when written together (Kankuamo marquezi) it is Kankuamo that is genitive because in a sense marquezi belongs to Kankuamo since it is a species within that genus. When you say Kankuamo marquezi it’s sort of the same as saying Kankuamo’s marquezi.

    Am I wrong? Maybe one of the grammatical scholars here can set me straight.

    #47710
    Billy_T
    Participant

    Interesting.

    Some more of my (annoying) book snobbery: I worked in book stores at various times in my younger adulthood (into the 1990s), and in one store was given pretty much total control over a section I called the Avant Garde. They did that because they recognized my brilliance in matters literary.

    ;>)

    I got really territorial about it. Didn’t necessarily stick with the usual time frame for that designation, though, putting books in there by authors from a fairly broad range of chronological time (and place), including Garcia Marquez. If co-workers tried to help out and put Garcia Marquez under M, I’d move it to G, cuz, well, technically, Spanish authors with those two surnames (paternal and maternal) are alphabetized by the paternal surname.

    Stuffy, yeah. I know. But I think it’s right to go by the culture in question, as much as possible. Though, I make mistakes sometimes with other cultures, like Chinese or Japanese names, which typically should go surname and then personal name, with these often being reversed.

    Long story short: Wonder if they should have named the spider, Kankuamo García Márquezi.

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    #47715
    PA Ram
    Participant

    “Kankuamo is a noun in apposition…”

    Not sitting there by itself it isn’t. If you say, “The new tarantula, Kankuamo was discovered in the mountains of Columbia.” now it is a noun in apposition.

    And I’m not sure ‘marquezi’ is genitive. The genitive case implies possession…John’s glove, Joe’s car, wv’s aungst…not sure marquezi fits.

    ‘marquezi’ refers to a particular species within the genus Kankuamo. So it seems to me when written together (Kankuamo marquezi) it is Kankuamo that is genitive because in a sense marquezi belongs to Kankuamo since it is a species within that genus. When you say Kankuamo marquezi it’s sort of the same as saying Kankuamo’s marquezi.

    Am I wrong? Maybe one of the grammatical scholars here can set me straight.

    Am I wrong? Maybe one of the grammatical scholars here can set me straight.

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    WHOA!!!

    SOMEBODY paid attention in English class. I still have trouble with prepositions.

    But my punctuation? Well–let’s just say no one messes with my punctuation:

    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick

    #47717
    nittany ram
    Moderator

    Long story short: Wonder if they should have named the spider, Kankuamo García Márquezi.

    Not possible to have three names. That would be against ICZN (International Commission of Zoological Nomenclature) rules. Three names can only be used for subspecies.

    They could’ve named it Kankuamo garciamaquezi though.

    #47719
    Billy_T
    Participant

    From Wiki:

    Apposition is a grammatical construction in which two elements, normally noun phrases, are placed side by side, with one element serving to identify the other in a different way. The two elements are said to be in apposition. One of the elements is called the appositive, although its identification requires consideration of how the elements are used in a sentence.[citation needed]

    For example, in the two sentences below, the phrases Alice Smith and my sister are in apposition, with the appositive identified with italics:

    My sister, Alice Smith, likes jelly beans.
    Alice Smith, my sister, likes jelly beans.

    Traditionally, appositions were called by their Latin name appositio, although the English form is now more commonly used. It is derived from Latin: ad (“near”) and positio (“placement”).

    #47720
    Billy_T
    Participant

    Long story short: Wonder if they should have named the spider, Kankuamo García Márquezi.

    Not possible to have three names. That would be against ICZN (International Commission of Zoological Nomenclature) rules. Three names can only be used for subspecies.

    They could’ve named it Kankuamo garciamaquezi though.

    Thanks, Nittany.

    I am really bad when it comes to science rules and protocol.

    #47721
    nittany ram
    Moderator

    Thanks, Nittany.

    I am really bad when it comes to science rules and protocol.

    Well, don’t beat yourself up over it. The ICZN outlines a set of pretty specific rules. It’s not something you would expect someone not working in taxonomy to be familiar with. I’m only aware of it because I am into taxonomy/evolutionary bio, etc.

    #47722
    zn
    Moderator

    I’m only aware of it because I am into taxonomy/evolutionary bio, etc.

    You;ve heard the latest popular argument against evolution, right?

    If people came from apes why aren’t apes evolving too?

    #47724
    nittany ram
    Moderator

    I’m only aware of it because I am into taxonomy/evolutionary bio, etc.

    You;ve heard the latest popular argument against evolution, right?

    If people came from apes why aren’t apes evolving too?

    And…

    If humans evolved from apes, why are there still apes?

    #47725
    Billy_T
    Participant

    And, why aren’t apes evolving into humans?

    Pretty good article for lay persons (like me!!):

    Dear Science: Why aren’t apes evolving into humans?

    Dear Science: Why are there no hominins left on Earth? If evolution is ongoing and species are always changing and adapting, shouldn’t we see new human-like species evolving from apes, even if the old ones died out?

    Here’s what science has to say:

    We hate to be the ones to break it to you, but you are an ape.

    So were the Neanderthals, the Hobbits, Lucy the Australopithecus, the Taung child and Peking man. And while we’re at it, so are orangutans, gorillas, bonobos and chimpanzees. All of us evolved from a common ancestor that lived about 14 million years ago, and together we make up the taxonomic family Hominidae. Also known as hominids. Also known as great apes.

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    #47728
    Billy_T
    Participant

    This part is pretty good, too:

    “Asking why an archaic human isn’t evolving from gorillas today is like asking why the children of your cousins don’t look more like you,” said Matt Tocheri, an anthropology professor at Lakehead University and a researcher in the National Museum of Natural History’s Human Origins Program. “Those creatures have been on their own lineage for 10 million years. You can’t go back up that lineage and back down again.”

    #47733
    nittany ram
    Moderator

    And, why aren’t apes evolving into humans?

    Many people assume humanity is the necessary end-product of evolution. The idea that evolution is directed towards something, instead of being the result of natural selection acting on randomly occurring mutations.

    As Stephen Jay Gould once said, if you could rewind life’s tape to a time before humans and then press play, the likelihood that humans would evolve for a second time is incredibly low. We aren’t ‘meant’ to be here. Like every other species that has ever existed, we just got lucky.

    #47735
    zn
    Moderator

    we just got lucky.

    Well that depends on what you mean.

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    #47736
    Billy_T
    Participant

    Many people assume humanity is the necessary end-product of evolution. The idea that evolution is directed towards something, instead of being the result of natural selection acting on randomly occurring mutations.

    As Stephen Jay Gould once said, if you could rewind life’s tape to a time before humans and then press play, the likelihood that humans would evolve for a second time is incredibly low. We aren’t ‘meant’ to be here. Like every other species that has ever existed, we just got lucky.

    Agreed with all the above.

    We’re an accident, and we will be “surpassed” in time, or just wiped out, one way or another. I don’t see us having even a fraction of the “success” of the dinosaurs.

    Science can teach us to be humble. Art can as well. It can, if we heed it. And while there are all kinds of counter-movements, a very strong pattern through history has been to puncture one mythic balloon after another, slowly but surely moving us away from viewing the earth as central to the universe, as its center, period, and humans as central to existence on earth. Lord and master over all he surveys, etc. etc.

    We really need a huge dash of humility, especially given the tech we’ve created and its potential for destruction.

    #47737
    PA Ram
    Participant

    Well the next step for evolution in terms of humans at least is robots…machines. We move from biological to the next stage. At least our information does–and that’s sort of what it’s all about anyway–right?

    IF computers, robots, etc. ever do develop a “consciousness” of some sort–well, we’re doomed. And even if they don’t—as humans extinguish themselves from the face of the planet they will still want to leave these representations behind–because we certainly believe we’re the best and deserve to go on forever in one form or another. And of course God says so anyway.

    But this all gives me an excuse to post the trailer for “Westworld”. I give you our future:

    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick

    #47738
    Billy_T
    Participant

    PA,

    I’m looking forward to it. I think it hits HBO in October.

    Here’s another one about the future, robots, genetic manipulation and such. Very good film.

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    #47742
    Billy_T
    Participant

    Struck out on the coding.

    I’ll just post a link:

    Advantageous

    #47744
    zn
    Moderator

    Struck out on the coding.

    I’ll just post a link:

    Advantageous

    It;s simple and I fixed it. For you tubes here, you just plop the url right in the post box, without using any of the functions. If you go back to the post I fixed, you will see what I did.

    #47745
    Billy_T
    Participant

    ZN,

    Thanks. I already knew I could just copy and paste and that would work somewhat. Was hoping, however, to use code to shrink it down to fit the space given, and maintain the (original) height/width ratio.

    On my own site, I can do that — because I’m, well, god there. In the universal settings, and in individual posts. It’s difficult being a mere mortal sometimes.

    ;>)

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    #47752
    wv
    Participant

    … We aren’t ‘meant’ to be here. Like every other species that has ever existed, we just got lucky.

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    I would not agree with that. My own view is more ‘agnostic-ish.’
    I’d say we dont/cant ‘know’ if life/world/universe was ‘meant to be here.’

    My own view of fundamental questions like that is “its a mystery”

    btw, fwiw, ayahuasca told me once,
    that the Universe and the Rams were meant to be here. You gonna argue with ayahuasca?

    w
    v

    #47754
    Billy_T
    Participant

    I would not agree with that. My own view is more ‘agnostic-ish.’
    I’d say we dont/cant ‘know’ if life/world/universe was ‘meant to be here.’

    My own view of fundamental questions like that is “its a mystery”

    btw, fwiw, ayahuasca told me once,
    that the Universe and the Rams were meant to be here. You gonna argue with ayahuasca?

    w
    v

    That has its own sense, too, WV. And it fits in with the “humility” part as well. We’re far too small to know with any certainty, in the grand scheme of things, if there is a grand scheme of things. And mysteries keep us searching, and searching is beautiful.

    Pascal has a lot to say about the question(s):

    “For after all what is man in nature? A nothing in relation to infinity, all in relation to nothing, a central point between nothing and all and infinitely far from understanding either. The ends of things and their beginnings are impregnably concealed from him in an impenetrable secret. He is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness out of which he was drawn and the infinite in which he is engulfed.”

    and . . .

    When I consider the short duration of my life, swallowed up in the eternity before and after, the small space which I fill, or even can see, engulfed in the infinite immensity of spaces whereof I know nothing, and which know nothing of me, I am terrified, and wonder that I am here rather than there, for there is no reason why here rather than there, or now rather than then. Who has set me here? By whose order and design have this place and time been destined for me?—Memoria hospitis unius diei prætereuntis.

    #47756
    Billy_T
    Participant

    In the novel, Dune, Paul repeats, “Fear is the mind killer.” The full Bene Gesserit litany being:

    “I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”

    One could also substitute “absolute certainty” for “fear.” If we were certain we knew all, we’d stop using a goodly bit of our minds. This is true for both the religious and the scientific. The best scientists don’t go for absolute certainty, and love mysteries. They know it gives them endless projects to work on. And the best religious minds, like Pascal and Kierkegaard, thought absolute certainty was a delusion. They struggled with their faith on a daily basis, and drew strength from that struggle.

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    #47760
    nittany ram
    Moderator

    I would not agree with that. My own view is more ‘agnostic-ish.’
    I’d say we dont/cant ‘know’ if life/world/universe was ‘meant to be here.’

    My own view of fundamental questions like that is “its a mystery”

    w
    v

    Well, it’s true we can’t say with absolute certainty that we are the product of random chance, but everything we currently know about evolution and the origin of the universe would suggest its so.

    But it is possible we were put here for a purpose…just like it’s possible that 9/11 was carried out by Amish insurgents despite no evidence to support it and a ton of evidence to suggest otherwise. 🙂

    #47761
    Billy_T
    Participant

    But it is possible we were put here for a purpose…just like it’s possible that 9/11 was carried out by Amish insurgents despite no evidence to support it and a ton of evidence to suggest otherwise. 🙂

    Are you sure there isn’t any evidence?

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    #48552
    zn
    Moderator

    Fixed

    #48558
    wv
    Participant

    I would not agree with that. My own view is more ‘agnostic-ish.’
    I’d say we dont/cant ‘know’ if life/world/universe was ‘meant to be here.’

    My own view of fundamental questions like that is “its a mystery”

    w
    v

    Well, it’s true we can’t say with absolute certainty that we are the product of random chance, but everything we currently know about evolution and the origin of the universe would suggest its so.

    But it is possible we were put here for a purpose…just like it’s possible that 9/11 was carried out by Amish insurgents despite no evidence to support it and a ton of evidence to suggest otherwise. 🙂

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    Well, but i just dont think thats persuasive. The “everything we currently know about evolution…suggests it so”.

    I think that statement ignores the context. That context being…the Universe is like…an ocean… and human knowledge is like a drop of water.

    w
    v
    “I know not how I may seem to others, but to myself I am but a small child wandering upon the vast shores of knowledge, every now and then finding a small bright pebble to content myself with.” ― Plato

    #48559
    wv
    Participant

    Fixed

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    But did you fix it as part of some cold, random, purposeless, meaningless, Universe,
    or were you meant to fix it?

    w
    v

    #48562
    zn
    Moderator

    I think that statement ignores the context. That context being…the Universe is like…an ocean… and human knowledge is like a drop of water.

    Well (as you know) one thing with that is, the unknown etc. can be “filled in” as much by our wishes, fears, and hopes as by any potential truths. So it could just be that as we stare into the unknown, we are just using it as a mirror for our own psyches as anything else.

    Johnny Caspar: It’s gettin’ so a businessman can’t expect no return from a fixed fight. Now, if you can’t trust a fix, what can you trust? For a good return, you gotta go bettin’ on chance – and then you’re back with anarchy, right back in the jungle.

    #48567
    wv
    Participant

    I think that statement ignores the context. That context being…the Universe is like…an ocean… and human knowledge is like a drop of water.

    Well (as you know) one thing with that is, the unknown etc. can be “filled in” as much by our wishes, fears, and hopes as by any potential truths. So it could just be that as we stare into the unknown, we are just using it as a mirror for our own psyches as anything else.

    Johnny Caspar: It’s gettin’ so a businessman can’t expect no return from a fixed fight. Now, if you can’t trust a fix, what can you trust? For a good return, you gotta go bettin’ on chance – and then you’re back with anarchy, right back in the jungle.

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    You ‘know’ this is a spider thread don’t you.

    And not one mention of spiders from any of you.

    You people are a mystery.

    w
    v

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