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So an angry guy just shooting people to me isn’t trumped by an armed guy defending himself.
I am more concerned about the angry guy who could just walk around with a gun shooting people.
Plus the fact that very few if any people would ever be able to tell in advance which guy would do which thing.
Plus all of that stuff about what “the media never tells you” (
)… I think the folks who say that aren’t going to tell us about things like this: Concealed Carry Permit Holders Are Killing People, But Not In Self Defense
Since 2007, at least 763 people have been killed by someone with a concealed carry permit. Those deaths are the result of 579 separate shootings, all initiated by someone who was given the legal right to carry a concealed weapon in our communities– our schools, churches, shopping centers, movie theaters and everywhere else.
The NRA desperately wants us to believe that giving ammosexual assholes the right to carry guns into our public spaces is going to make us so much safer. They keep telling us that “only a good guy with a gun can stop a bad guy with a gun.”
And yet, out of the 579 shootings carried out by concealed carry permit holders since 2007, just 21 were in self defense. That equates to about four percent of all shootings in which the shooter was licensed to carry a concealed weapon.
Even more telling, more than 97 percent of the 763 deaths caused by someone with a concealed carry permit were not related to self defense in any way.
Concealed carry permit holders have been responsible for 29 separate mass shootings which took the lives of three or more people. In total, concealed carry permit holders murdered 139 innocent people in mass shootings during this time period.
They’ve also killed nearly as many police officers as they have “bad guys with guns.” Concealed carry permit owners have shot and killed 17 law enforcement officers, compared to the 21 people they shot in self-defense.
The NRA claims that owning a gun empowers people to “defend their lives.” Yet while only 21 concealed carry permit holders used their weapon in self defense, 223 of them used a gun to end, not defend, their own lives.
For years the NRA’s allies in Washington have blocked federal funding for the study of guns and gun violence in the United States. There’s good reason for that. Facts destroy NRA myths, lies and talking points.
All across the country, right wing state and local governments are forcing insane gun policies down the throats of their constituents, with zero evidence to show that those policies are in the best interest of the public.
A new project from the Violence Policy Center is collecting the data that the NRA and its right-wing allies in Washington do not want the public to see. That data on concealedcarrykillers.org shows that the push for expanded concealed carry laws is an immediate threat to the health and safety of every citizen in the U.S., including law enforcement officers.
Not only are expanded concealed carry laws unnecessary (as they do nothing to reduce crime) they are completely irresponsible.
Think about it. Thanks to the NRA, “bad guys with guns” have the same access to concealed carry permits as any supposed “good guys with guns.” Any attempt to weed out criminals or people with mental illness, is treated as “an attack on the second amendment rights of gun owners everywhere.”
As it turns out, when you look at the facts on shootings perpetrated by someone who had a concealed carry permit, these are anything but “good guys” killing in self defense.
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Armed good Samaritan tries to stop carjacking, accidentally shoots victim in head
Armed good Samaritan tries to stop carjacking, accidentally shoots victim in head
A carjacking in Houston, Texas, turned bloody when an armed good Samaritan opened fire on the car thieves but hit the carjacking victim instead, reported Raw Story:
As the men struggled with the car-owner, a passerby produced a gun and fired multiple shots, missing the thieves but striking the victim in the head.
Apparently the not-so-heroic shooter was well aware of what he’d done as he “quickly gathered up his shell casings from the pavement” and then fled the scene of the crime that was made immeasurably worse through his involvement.
So, while ostensibly trying to help, all the man succeeded in doing was going from innocent bystander to wanted man in record time and sending an innocent man to the hospital. Luckily for everyone involved the victim of the carjacking turned shooting is reportedly in “stable condition.”
You can see how this sort of thing can easily happen when an untrained civilian with a gun witnesses a crime and gets involved, barrels a’blazing. It’s an important reminder that the nutty claims that emerge after every shooting, claiming that the solution to gun crime is more guns, are a crock.
The chorus usually goes something like: “If only more people in that movie theater had had guns, lives would have been saved!” …Or more would have died in a chaotic shootout. It could really go either way. Everybody wants to be a hero but introducing more bullets to a situation rarely improves matters.
What the conceal-carry folks don’t ever want people to know is this: The vast majority of the time that someone pulls a gun in “self-defense,” there never would have been any escalation into deadly violence in the first place if not for guns.
99 times out of 100, you’d get a scuffle, a fist-fight, then everyone goes home, alive. Sore, perhaps, with bloody lips. But they get to go home and live to fight another day.
Conceal carry culture, however, says, no to all of that. It says, “Let’s skip the fist-fights and just go straight to DEFCON 1 and kill each other.”
This is what happened with Tayvon Martin and George Zimmerman. If no gun, they both go home alive. Zimmerman goes home after getting his butt kicked by a sixteen-year-old, and that sixteen-year-old gets to live to go to his prom, graduate, maybe go on to college, get married and so on. But because Zimmerman had a gun, he doesn’t. He’s dead.
I was a bouncer when young. I broke up numerous drunken brawls. Today, now that 50 states have conceal carry, and some even allow guns in bars, those brawls may soon become a thing of the past. Quaint, even. Folks won’t throw fists at each other. They’ll just go straight to semi-automatics and gun each other down.
It’s time to radically reverse all of the deadly business of the gun cultists and the gun industry they work for. All of it.
Concealed Carry Permit Holders Are Killing People, But Not In Self Defense
Even more telling, more than 97 percent of the 763 deaths caused by someone with a concealed carry permit were not related to self defense in any way.
They’ve also killed nearly as many police officers as they have “bad guys with guns.” Concealed carry permit owners have shot and killed 17 law enforcement officers, compared to the 21 people they shot in self-defense.
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Well ‘that’ was full of powerful stuff.
Very interesting facts. If they are true.
…still wont make a dent in the
political situation, coz people are afraid.
Crocodile brain is gonna trump mammal brain
almost every time, i think…Big-scary-Guns lead to deaths/shootings,
Deaths/shootings lead to fear,
Fear leads to wanting-more-guns.I just dont see any way out of that
there screwed-up dynamic.w
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