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  • in reply to: New Yorker article about Trump's ghost-writer. #48974
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    I just wish his supporters would deal with the substance of that criticism, and not automatically dismiss it all. I just wish they’d be willing to debate that substance, instead of acting as if it’s not worth discussing — that Trump’s criticism of others is worthy, but not criticism of Trump, etc. etc.

    Not “modding” now, just chatting. It’s just politics. So Hillary is untrustworthy, Sanders is an extremist, and Trump a demagogue. So the way to handle attacks on your candidate is to attack the other. Shrug.

    To me personally, the attacks don’t matter. That’s to make it about character which is already to buy into the PR/politics and “selling the personality” game.

    So I personally don’t care if a Trump guy owns up to this or that criticism. I just think of all the policies and appointments I won’t like (eg. supreme court appointments) and vote for the policies and appointments I will like better (supreme court again).

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    Well, bnw, you might not care. You might think all criticism of Trump is meaningless. But a lot of people do care. They don’t dismiss all criticism of Trump automatically. They don’t close their eyes and ears to all of it. They investigate, see him on TV, listen to him on the radio, try to sift through his word salad. They read his incredibly vague policy ideas, his tendency to avoid all details, and note that none of his policies could possibly work. They also take him at his word, and see him as a racist, xenophobe and Mussolini-wannabe. They see him as a serial liar and someone who has exploited bankruptcy laws and protections to fill his own pockets, and that he has hundreds of outstanding lawsuits against him due to his crooked business practices.

    Even his own party has been highly critical of him. GOP delegates called him a fascist today, at the convention.

    It may be a big yawn for you, but a lot of people don’t see it that way. Me, personally? I think he’s either a baby fascist or plays one on TV for votes and for personal enrichment. He’s taken his cue from George Wallace, among others, seeking to whip up white fears of black and brown people. Basically, I see him as a vile human being. Easily one of the worst people to ever run for president — and that’s saying a lot, because America has a long history of rotten people vying for the presidency.

    I don’t like Clinton, either. Can’t stand either party. But Trump is clearly the greater evil this time around.

    Isn’t that bound to stir a fight? I think everyone knows where everyone stands. Bnw is entitled to his response. We’re not going to badger him into agreeing with us, and aggression just begets more aggression. Fair enough?

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    Lucky for Marc he had such a great OLine
    those last two years

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    I keep being surprised at how that issue gets overlooked.

    The Rams had a string of OL injuries from 2007-9 that was like nothing any of us have seen. (The injury epidemic stopped in 2010 and then got going again in 2011, with a vengeance.)

    And it’s obvious that the ineffective OLs took Bulger down with him. Not just in terms of injuries, but also in terms of his overall play.

    And…no complaints from him.

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    Rams WR Stedman Bailey will coach at West Virginia

    Rams WR Stedman Bailey will coach at West Virginia

    Before he was with the then St. Louis Rams, WR Stedman Bailey played at West Virginia. He only stayed for three years and did not finish his degree before going to the NFL. However, he’s now going back to get that degree, and he’s going to join the coaching staff, according to coach Dana Holgorson.

    Bailey’s NFL career has been derailed by a serious injury, as he was shot in the head back in 2015. He recovered and seems to be doing quite well, all things considered, but he probably can’t return to the NFL. The Rams had recently put him on the non-football injury list. Coach Jeff Fisher had talked about allowing him to work with the Rams’ coaches, so he wouldn’t have to give up on the NFL entirely, but he would apparently prefer to go to West Virginia. That decision does make sense because of his chance to finish his degree and plan for life without a pro football paycheck—even though he’s expressed some optimism that he may someday return.

    Fisher is reportedly very happy that Bailey has this opportunity, and the WR himself expressed his thanks to the organization for standing by him in such a tough time, saying:

    “First of all, I would like to thank the Los Angeles Rams organization, my teammates, coach Jeff Fisher, general manager Les Snead and the ownership for the way they have taken care of me and my family since they drafted me. They’re a first-class organization and made me feel like part of the family, especially during the past few months, which have been a tough time. Moving forward, I would like to thank West Virginia University, especially coach Dana Holgorsen and athletic director Shane Lyons for making this opportunity available. Even though my playing career isn’t over yet, this gives me more time to heal so I can make a return. However, It is important to me to finish my degree. I loved my time as a Mountaineer football player and I look forward to working with coach Holgorsen and the Mountaineer football program.”

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    When did he play with a broken leg?

    Its a must listen, btw.

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    I agree, must listen.

    He didn’t realize he was playing on a broken leg in his final game of 2009, the ARZ game. He knew his leg was bad during the game but then they found out afterward it was broken.

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    ST. LOUIS (AP) — St. Louis Rams quarterback Marc Bulger (FSY) will be sidelined 3-6 weeks with a fractured left leg sustained in Sunday’s loss to the Arizona Cardinals.

    Bulger underwent two MRIs on Monday, one on his groin and hamstring and a second for what the team believed was a swollen knee. He also was to be tested for concussion-related symptoms Tuesday after a physically demanding loss to the Arizona Cardinals.

    As I said it wasn’t until after the game they found out it was broken. It was a tibial plateau fracture. They thought at first it was a knee sprain.

    Notice that because of the same game he was also tested for a concussion.

    The wiki on those kinds of fractures:

    A tibial plateau fracture is a bone fracture or break in the continuity of the bone occurring in the proximal part of the tibia or shinbone called the tibial plateau; affecting the knee joint, stability and motion.

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    https://mobile.twitter.com/ChristeeAtwood/status/754786544305643520

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    Invader…thanks for posting that.

    It’s a sad, terrible, yet also tragically heartening testimony to what these times are.

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    off the net from Kindablue

    I watched Martz, “meat grinder offense” grind up Warner and Bulger.
    They went down hard on every pass play.
    Such a shame to see Bulger’s talent wasted. Few had a quicker release.
    I’ve never seen a QB take a beating the way he did. I became very hard to watch week in and week out.
    I was cheering during his record setting Pro Bowl performance.

    I hope it doesn’t go down that way for Goff.
    Someone asked Bulger if he loved being involved in such an all out passing attack.
    He said, “You know, I wouldn’t mind handing it off once in a while”
    That will be Goff’s savior. He’ll be handing it off a lot. Plus most of Fisher’s offense develops close to or behind the line of scrimmage.
    If that doesn’t change he will be alright.

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    I expanded this fwiw

    in reply to: Stedman news #48927
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    http://www.wvusports.com/page.cfm?story=30423&cat=exclusives

    Football Announces Return of Stedman Bailey

    By Mike Montoro

    MORGANTOWN, W.Va. – West Virginia University football coach Dana Holgorsen has announced that former All-American and record-setting wide receiver Stedman Bailey will join the WVU coaching staff as a student assistant coach for the 2016 season.

    “I know Stedman is very disappointed that he isn’t able to play football at this time. However, I am glad that he is going to turn an unfortunate situation into a positive one by coming back to WVU as a student assistant coach and more importantly finishing his degree,” Holgorsen said. “He was an important part of our football program as a player, and I look forward to him being with us once again. Like we say here – once a Mountaineer, always a Mountaineer.”

    Bailey will enroll full-time at WVU to complete his bachelor’s degree in multidisciplinary studies.

    “First of all, I would like to thank the Los Angeles Rams organization, my teammates, coach Jeff Fisher, general manager Les Snead and the ownership for the way they have taken care of me and my family since they drafted me. They’re a first-class organization and made me feel like part of the family, especially during the past few months, which have been a tough time,” Bailey said.

    “Moving forward, I would like to thank West Virginia University, especially coach Dana Holgorsen and athletic director Shane Lyons for making this opportunity available. Even though my playing career isn’t over yet, this gives me more time to heal so I can make a return. However, It is important to me to finish my degree. I loved my time as a Mountaineer football player and I look forward to working with coach Holgorsen and the Mountaineer football program.”

    After being drafted in the third round of the 2013 NFL Draft by the then-St. Louis and now Los Angeles Rams, Bailey played three years for the organization, before an incapacitating injury sidelined him at the end of the 2015 season.

    “We couldn’t be happier for Stedman and this opportunity he has to complete his degree and join West Virginia’s coaching staff,” Rams Head Coach Jeff Fisher said. “His presence during our offseason program meant a great deal to his teammates, and his mentorship was invaluable to our young rookies. Stedman’s ability to teach, and his remarkable drive and determination will serve him well at West Virginia, and we wish him and his family the best as they step into the next chapter of their lives.”

    While playing for the Mountaineers from 2010-12, Bailey played in 39 career games and started 34. He compiled 3,218 receiving yards on 210 catches and scored 41 touchdowns. His receiving touchdowns were the most in school history, he has the most 100-yard receiving games, his receiving yards were second most and he was No. 6 in scoring with 246 points.

    As a junior, he finished with a school-record tying 114 catches for a school-record 1,622 yards and 25 touchdowns. The receiving touchdowns tied for the second-most all-time in a season nationally. He was named first team All-American by the Football Writers Association of America, CBSSports.com, Phil Steele and SI.com and earned second-team accolades from the Associated Press, Walter Camp and FoxSports.com. The All-Big 12 first-team honoree was one of three finalists for the Biletnikoff Award, signifying the top receiver in college football.

    He holds the school single-game receiving marks and three of the top five, including a school record 303 yards on 13 catches against Baylor. He is tied for the school record for most receptions in a game (14) and had four of the top seven marks.

    As a sophomore, he finished with 1,279 yards on 72 catches and 12 touchdowns, earning All-Big East first team honors and setting the then-single-season receiving yards mark at WVU.

    “West Virginia University is a class institution and I commend Head Coach Dana Holgorsen and the Mountaineers’ Athletic Director Shane Lyons and associate athletic director of football operation Alex Hammond for reaching out to Stedman and offering him the chance to return to school and contribute to their football program as a student assistant coach,” Rams General Manager Les Snead said. “Stedman has been working extremely hard to get back into football condition, and he has come a long way in a short period of time. This opportunity at West Virginia will allow him to be even more productive during this year of rehabilitation by finishing something that will pay dividends for a lifetime.”

    Along with completing his degree, Bailey will be able to take part in on-field coaching and teaching of the Mountaineer receivers.

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    What we know about the Baton Rouge shooting
    A man carrying a rifle outside a Baton Rouge convenience store shot six police officers on July 17, killing three. Here’s what we know so far.

    Amy Ellis Nutt, Matt Zapotosky and Mark Berman/The Washington Post

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    A lone gunman killed three law enforcement officers and wounded three others in Baton Rouge on Sunday morning, less than two weeks after the death of an African American man at the hands of Baton Rouge police.

    The shootings occurred when police responded to a 911 call that a man dressed in black and armed with what appeared to be an ­assault-style rifle was walking near a shopping plaza about a mile from police headquarters. The deaths shocked a nation already on edge over recent killings by police and the slayings of five police officers in Dallas by a lone gunman. The run of violence that began July 5 in Baton Rouge has now left 10 dead, including eight law enforcement officers, as well as two residents killed by police.

    Two city police officers and one sheriff’s deputy were fatally wounded, and another sheriff’s deputy was critically injured, Col. Michael Edmonson, the superintendent of the Louisiana State Police, said at a news conference.

    The gunman, who was shot and killed during the exchange of gunfire, was later identified as Gavin Long, an African American resident of Kansas City, Mo., who turned 29 on Sunday and was in Baton Rouge celebrating his birthday, according to relatives. In the spring of 2012, Long was named to the dean’s list at the University of Alabama, which he attended for one semester, university officials said.

    Long was identified in media reports confirmed by his military record as a Marine who achieved the rank of sergeant and had been deployed to Iraq before leaving service in August, 2010. Under a pseudonym, Long also made videos posted on YouTube, the most recent of which derided demonstrations like those after the shooting by Baton Rouge police of Alton Sterling two weeks ago, and advocated violence instead.

    With the circumstances of the shootings unexplained Sunday night, a community already numbed found itself searching for new words to describe its horror and despair.

    “Stop this killing. Stop this killing. Stop this killing,” said Veda Washington-Abusaleh, the aunt of Alton Sterling, the 37-year-old man killed by Baton Rouge police on July 5.

    “That’s how this all started, with bloodshed. We don’t want no more bloodshed. . . . Because at the end of the day, when these people call these families and they tell them that their daddies and their mommies not coming home no more, I know how they feel, because I got the same phone call,” she said, breaking down in tears during an interview Sunday by a Baton Rouge TV station.

    Within minutes of the 911 call, a barrage of gunfire was heard from the vicinity of Airline and Old Hammond highways in East Baton Rouge, a commercial area dottedwith convenience stores, gas stations and discount clothing shops.

    Louisiana is an open-carry state, where no permits are required to buy or carry firearms.

    Baton Rouge has been besieged in recent years by racial tension between its predominantly black residents and predominately white police officers. Over the past two weeks, protesters marched almost daily over the same streets that police quickly barricaded Sunday morning.

    One of the dead officers was Montrell Jackson, 32, an African American, married and with a baby. Although his name had not yet been released by authorities Sunday evening, multiple people, including relatives, confirmed he was among those killed.

    The father of Matthew Gerald, a white officer, also confirmed Sunday that his 41-year-old married son, the father of two daughters, was another police officer killed.

    Before joining the Baton Rouge Police Department last year, Gerald served in both the Marines and the Army, according to Ryan D. Cabral, a friend who served with him in Iraq.

    “Matt was the kind of guy that you knew immediately when he entered the room,” Cabral said. “Whether it was the energy he carried with him or that Cajun accent he had . . . maybe it was the Marine in him.”

    The third fatality was identified by the local newspaper, the Advocate, as Brad Garafola, 45, who served with the East Baton Rouge Parish Sheriff’s Office. He was working extra duty at the B-Quik convenience store on Airline Highway early Sunday morning, according to his wife, Tonja, and was headed home to begin vacation when he was gunned down.

    “Everybody on this street depended on him,” Tonja Garafola said.

    Jackson’s sister, Jocelyn, was attending Sunday church when she learned that her little brother was among the three officers killed. Her pastor had just asked the congregation to send prayers to her family.

    “I didn’t want to break down in church, but it was just something I couldn’t hold,” said Jackson, 49, who felt the weight of the news rush over her. “He was a wonderful person. A wonderful person.”

    A cousin of Long’s, who spoke to The Washington Post on the condition of anonymity because he feared for his job, said Long was quiet, smart and had recently written a book about his travels around the world. The man said that Long, as far as he knew, had not expressed any particular outrage over the shootings of young black men by police.

    “I can’t see my cousin doing nothing like that,” he said. “Right now, I’m at a loss for words.”

    Long served five years in the Marine Corps as a data network specialist, from August 2005 to August 2010. He left active duty as a sergeant. Records released by the Marine Corps on Sunday showed that he deployed once to Iraq from June 2008 to January 2009. He did not experience direct ground combat. He was assigned to units in Miramar, Calif., and Okinawa, Japan, during his military career.

    In the hours after the shooting, police warned people living in the area of the gun battle to stay inside as they sought two other potential suspects. By the afternoon, dozens of law enforcement and emergency vehicles were on the scene, and police helicopters hovered overhead. Agents for the FBI and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives were also called to the scene, according to Attorney General Loretta E. Lynch, who said in a statement that “there is no place in the United States for such appalling violence.” President Obama as well as other government and law enforcement officials strongly condemned the shooting.

    “It’s just very senseless and tragic,” said Chris Nassif, president of the Louisiana Union of Police, a statewide association of municipal police departments. “You’re seeing law enforcement targeted for doing their jobs.”

    Nassif and colleagues from around the state had traveled to Baton Rouge during the protests that roiled the city last week.

    “They seemed to have everything under control, and then this happens,” he said. “It just takes the breath out of you.”

    Sunday’s gun battle occurred in a subdivision of Baton Rouge known as Tara, about five miles from where Sterling was killed. Protesters have gathered there nightly.

    Just 24 hours after Sterling was shot, Philando Castile, a 32-year-old African American, was shot to death during a traffic stop in St. Paul, Minn.

    Then, on July 7, during a peaceful protest of those deaths, four policemen and a transit officer were killed by a lone gunman in Dallas.

    Across the country, police have been on heightened alert, with many towns and cities mandating that officers not work their beats alone, and residents in places such as East Baton Rouge afraid to spend time outside their homes.

    It was a sunny, breezy morning in Baton Rouge when shots were heard around 8:40 a.m. Police reported “officers down” at 8:44, according to Edmonson, the Louisiana State Police superintendent. Minutes later, the alleged gunman was also dead.

    One Tara neighborhood woman, who asked that her name not be used, was playing tennis with her husband and two children when she first heard the gunfire.

    “We have been in the house so much because of all of this going on, so we wanted to be outside,” she said. “I feel trapped in our own home. . . . I thought we would be safe here because we are close to a police station.”

    The three deaths Sunday brought the total number of officers killed in the line of duty to 30 this year — up from about 16 at this point last year. The average mid-year total, according to FBI data, is about 25.

    At an annual gathering of the National Organization of Black Law Enforcement Executives in Washington, an educational conference attended by police chiefs around the country, the mood was heavy with the Baton Rouge news. This weekend was the organization’s 40th anniversary celebration.

    “It felt like a punch in the gut,” said Vera Bumpers, chief of police for the Houston Metro Police Department. “It resonated with everybody. The room was just like a hush and a rasp, like ‘not again.’ ”

    It was a sentiment shared by Wanda Y. Dunham, the chief of police for the Metropolitan Atlanta Rapid Transit Authority.

    “Here we go again,” she recalled thinking. “Some people are still thinking about what happened in Dallas.” She added: “I don’t want this to be the new normal. So we have to start talking to the community before these things happen.”

    President Obama asked the nation to refrain from “overheated” political discourse on the eve of the Republican and Democratic conventions.

    “Regardless of race, political party or profession . . . everyone right now, focus on words and actions that can unite this country rather than divide it further,” he said. “We need to temper our words and open our hearts — all of us.”

    Black activists also expressed outrage at the Baton Rouge police deaths.

    “We’re all grieving. We’re still grieving the loss of Alton Sterling. We don’t value any life more than any other life,” said Ada Goodly, an attorney and activist with the National Lawyers Guild in Baton Rouge who had been involved in the recent protests.

    Jocelyn Jackson said she understands the anger behind the Black Lives Matter movement but added that “God gives nobody the right to kill and take another person’s life. . . . It’s coming to the point where no lives matter,” she said, “whether you’re black or white or Hispanic or whatever.”

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    I thought he was a free agent. Who or what did the Rams trade to AZ?

    It was a 2nd & 4th round pick in 2001.

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    Christee Atwood ‏@ChristeeAtwood
    The words of BR Police officer killed today. Please listen to him.

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    Best Rams free agent signing in decades.

    Just a minor thing, ie. nbd. But Aeneas was a trade.

    One of their best acquisitions, anyway. That’s absolutely the case.

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    note: this article is partly critical, which is okay with me, even if I don’t always agree

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    How Season 6 made ‘Game of Thrones’ dumber, but more gorgeous than ever

    By Will Nicol —

    link: http://www.digitaltrends.com/movies/game-of-thrones-season-6-review/#ixzz4Ehnfho3R
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    Note: this article discusses plot details from the show Game of Thrones as well as the Song of Ice and Fire novels.

    There is a certain cruelty, intentional or not, in titling the season finale of Game of Thrones’ sixth season The Winds of Winter. It is, after all, the working title for the next entry in George RR Martin’s series of novels. Readers have waited five years since the release of the last novel, and for those who started with the first book, A Game of Thrones, way back in 1996, watching as the television adaptation reveals scenes and details 20 years in the making can be bittersweet. In using The Winds of Winter as title for their season finale, showrunners David Benioff and DB Weiss have planted their flag in Martin’s story.

    In the end, how would the show perform, no longer guided by the books? At times, season 6 is a narrative that embraces the worst of television, relying on twists and drawn out mysteries to keep audiences watching and talking. However, season 6 also reaches new cinematic heights, putting together some of the most well-composed scenes in television history. Below is how, unguided, Game of Thrones is worse, and better than it has ever been.

    Season 6 lacks suspense, preferring shock and awe

    Martin’s novels have often been praised for subverting traditional fantasy narratives, and this praise translated to the early seasons of Game of Thrones. Many fantasy series follow a traditional hero’s journey, emphasizing physical deeds and a black and white morality, but this show was about politics, not heroism. Rather than large battles and flashy set pieces, early GoT examined the political and social structures of its fantasy world, and the people trying to navigate those structures. Few characters in GoT fit squarely into the role of hero or villain, and the morally gray, complicated narrative produced tension: viewers would wonder whose plans will work, whose will fail?

    Unexpected eruptions of violence may surprise the audience, but they lack the brutal catharsis of earlier seasons.
    Ned Stark’s role in the first season exemplifies the series’ ideals. A stoic man of honor, Ned tries to reform the corrupt politics of King’s Landing. In any other fantasy novel or series, he would probably discover villains and bring them to justice. But in Game of Thrones, the audience is made aware very early of what is going on in King’s Landing. We are shown that Queen Cersei and her brother are lovers, and thus, while Ned investigates the truth about Prince Joffrey’s parentage, the revelation is not a surprise. Rather than a shocking reveal that Joffrey is the product of incest, Ned’s story creates tension, as the audience can see that he is swimming with sharks even when he does not.

    Contrast season 1’s slowly drawn noose with the guillotine that is season 6. Game of Thrones has always had its share of “shocking” moments (Ned’s execution, the Red Wedding), but those moments were typically the result of long build-ups, as characters make mistake after mistake until death seems the only natural consequence. In season 6, however, death comes at a moment’s notice, and while unexpected eruptions of violence may surprise the audience, they lack the brutal catharsis of earlier seasons.

    The first episode of season 6 offers clear example of the show’s new priorities: the coup in Dorne. In the novels, Dorne is a hotbed of rebellion, as Prince Doran secretly works to arrange an alliance with the Targaryens (both Daenarys and Aegon, who is so far absent from the show) with the ultimate goal of overthrowing the Lannisters. Doran is playing a long game, and although his nieces, the Sand Snakes, criticize what they perceive as inaction, he explains that the grass that hides the viper is as important as the viper itself.

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    In the show, Doran seems not to have any plans; if he does, the audience will never know. The Red Woman features a brief check-in with Dorne, in which the Sand Snakes, led by Oberyn’s lover Ellaria, assassinate Doran and his son and assume control of Dorne. It’s a shocking moment for a few reasons. First, the Sand Snakes are upset that Doran has not avenged their father, so it seems odd that they would choose to wipe out the rest of Oberyn’s family. Second, there is no blowback for the coup; Doran’s guards, apparently disgusted by his weakness, simply watch as he is murdered. Dorne remains out of sight for most of the season, and when the show finally returns to it in the finale, Ellaria seems to be sitting comfortably, despite being a usurper with no legal or genealogical claim to the throne. The only-slightly-bloody revolution in Dorne is shocking not only as an event, but for what it says about the show’s sensibilities: the machinations of earlier seasons have given way to sudden, violent clearings of the deck.
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    The northern storyline is typically heroic, and boring

    Perhaps nowhere is the show’s watered-down approach to narrative more apparent than in the North. While the novels are not as far along in this story, they have set up groundwork for the eventual clash between Jon Snow and Ramsay Bolton. In A Dance with Dragons, Martin sets up a conspiracy in the North, with Lord Wyman Manderly plotting against the Boltons. Manderly even kills a couple of Freys and, while visiting the Boltons and the Freys in Winterfell, serves his hosts a pie made from the Frey meat, a plot given to Arya out-of-nowhere in the show.

    The novels left off with Jon lying dead, and season 6 picks up immediately afterward, resurrecting Jon, reuniting him with Sansa, and setting them off on the path to fight Ramsay, who possesses both their home and their younger brother, Rickon, who came to Ramsay courtesy of Smalljon Umber, one of the northern lords. Given Umber’s disrespect of Ramsay throughout the scene — he refuses to swear an oath of fealty, and even accuses Ramsay (correctly) of murdering his own father — viewers familiar with the show might be tempted to believe this is the show’s version of the northern conspiracy, with Umber using Rickon to bait Ramsay into trusting him. It would be a rather shortsighted way to rebel, handing over the legitimate heir to Winterfell to the murderous usurper, but perhaps fitting for the hotheaded Umber.

    Ultimately though, there is no rebellion in the North. Jon and Sansa roam the lands, recruiting a few reluctant lords, while the rest of the North either sides with Ramsay or refuses to join the conflict. The Starks and Boltons ultimate face off in the climactic Battle of the Bastards, and while it is a wonderfully shot episode of television — more on that later — it is a generic, good-versus-evil narrative.

    Early in season 6, Roose Bolton warns his son Ramsay to curb his violent tendencies, saying “If you acquire a reputation as a mad dog, you’ll be treated as a mad dog.” It’s the savvy advice that no viewer would ever expect Ramsay to follow, but the odd thing is how inconsequential it proves to be for his character. Despite murdering his father, mother-in-law, and baby brother, Ramsay’s supporters aren’t particularly bothered.

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    He is finally brought low not through his own misrule, but through a conventional underdog battle. After Ramsay’s forces back Jon’s into a corner, Littlefinger and his Vale cavalry show up in the eleventh hour to break the Bolton formation. Jon and his Wildling troops break through the gates of Winterfell, Jon pummels Ramsay, and then Sansa feeds him to his own dogs.

    Ramsay’s death is poetic — he liked feeding other people to his dogs — and it is viscerally satisfying to see him beaten and killed in such an ironic manner, but it’s a strangely conventional way for the villain to end. Although it would have made thematic sense for Ramsay’s brutal rule to breed rebellion in his ranks, his men never rise up against him; he simply loses to the cavalry arriving. The Starks rule Winterfell once more, and Jon is proclaimed King of the North, but the way in which their story unfolds feels at odds with the larger themes of Game of Thrones.

    Visually, season 6 was a masterpiece

    Although season 6 streamlines and in some ways dulls the narrative, the show has also elevated its visual aspects. Although the golden age of television has largely been considered a writer’s medium, shows like Mad Men and Breaking Bad have also shown the value a director can bring, incorporating cinematography and staging worthy of arthouse films. Game of Thrones’ direction has been competent if unremarkable in the past, but several moments in season 6 show off a fantastic visual flair, with the Battle of the Bastards in particular pushing television into the realm of the blockbuster film.

    The Red Woman’s mirror scene plays with audience perceptions

    The first episode of season 6, The Red Woman, finishes on a striking image. As Melisandre, a priestess of R’hllor, struggles with her faith after her visions fail to come true, she undresses. This is not a new thing for the show or for her character; Game of Thrones is notorious for putting female nudity on full display, and Melisandre has been one of the show’s most forward exhibitionists. This scene ends up far from titillating, however. Melisandre removes her ever-present choker, the camera focuses on a blurry mirror, and when it cuts back to Melisandre, she is an old woman, the camera pulling back to reveal her naked form.

    The wordless scene takes a character who had long been an object of desire and makes her gnarled, unattractive. For a show so often accused of servicing fans, it is a bold move. In a season where the show very pointedly tried to change its image vis-a-vis women through plotting, putting characters like Sansa, Cersei, and Ellaria in positions of power, Melisandre’s transformation was the show embracing the visual nature of the medium, playing with the audience’s perceptions in a way the written word could not do.
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    The most amazing battle in TV history?

    One of the things that set A Song of Ice and Fire apart from traditional fantasy novels is that Martin generally does not depict battles. As in Shakespeare, the armed conflicts happen “off-stage,” and the reader learns of them through characters’ reactions. The physical act of a battle is less important than its impact on people. In its early seasons, Game of Thrones hewed close to the novels, only depicting the major battles, such as the Battle of Blackwater Bay. These events are typically spectacular, often taking up the bulk of the episodes they appear in. These earlier battles, while well-staged, were also shot conventionally. Season 6’s climactic bloodbath, The Battle of the Bastards, reaches a level of style that previous fight scenes in the show did not, and in doing so, helps drive home the story’s grim view of war.

    Game of Thrones has shown that a television series can compare with the most finely crafted epics.
    The battle begins in earnest after Ramsay shoots Rickon, prompting Jon to furiously charge Ramsay’s front line, his own cavalry following behind him. Jon’s horse goes down as Ramsay’s horsemen charge at him, and he draws his sword, one man against an entire wave. This prelude is scored with thudding drums, and Jon’s lone stand gets a heroic swelling of strings, all of which is typical of fantasy battle scenes, in Game of Thrones or otherwise.

    But the cavalry crash into each other like tides pouring over Jon, killing the music as well as each other. Suddenly the only sounds are diegetic, steel singing as weapons connect with armor. The camera clings to Jon as he fights stumbles through the fight, dodging a horseman’s charge, swinging at a footman to his left.

    The tight framing creates a sense of claustrophobia, and emphasizes Jon’s smallness on the battlefield, as violence churns in the background.

    The remainder of the battle maintains this brutally intimate look, as men bleed and Jon is briefly buried under a pile of corpses, the camera offering his dazed, first-person perspective as soldiers trample over him.

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    The washed-out colors and shaky-cam direction drew comparisons to the Omaha Beach scene in Saving Private Ryan, and it served as a startling reminder of how far television has come. Shows like Mad Men proved that television could achieve the elegant composition and staging of classic cinema; with Battle of the Bastards, Game of Thrones has shown that a television series can compare with the most finely crafted epics.

    Love it or hate it, Game of Thrones remains a juggernaut

    Even if the rest of Game of Thrones’ narrative continues to drift toward straightforward fantasy conventions, rather than the politics and character-driven drama that characterized the novels and the earlier seasons, the series still shows remarkable signs of life. The show still draws in huge numbers of viewers, with The Winds of Winter setting a new record for the show. From an artistic standpoint, the show is more and more taking advantage of its medium, enlisting talented directors who bring an auteur’s touch to the production.

    Fantasy could very soon be the dominant genre in television, and Game of Thrones is the template. Hopefully future projects, whether original works or adaptations, will draw on the show’s better decisions while avoiding its mistakes.

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    CAP PRIMER

    (The Negotiator)_________________ (The Check writer)

    LOS ANGELES RAMS 2016 PLAYER CONTRACTS AND SALARY CAP (Summary & Analysis)

    Everyone knows that managing the Salary Cap and keeping the Rams best players under contract, is a very complicated and challenging job for Kevin Demoff to manage.

    Salary Cap Guru Mr. Demoff with the advise and direction of the Coaches, GM, and scout team, all put their minds together to predict a players worth and future contract value with several intangibles involved.

    As you all know, the criteria of Salary, Age, Ability, Injury history, Leadership, Character, Versatility and overall strength of the position they play, are just some of the things that go into the process of determining which players to keep on the roster.

    Predictiting the future performance & vaule of a player on course with the timing of when to offer the player a contract extension (or Free Agent offer sheet) is tricky business in the NFL. The leverage of the player and his agent changes with each snap and game played leading up to the open window of time to legally negotiate.

    http://www.steelergridiron.com/information/freeagents_definitions.html
    http://www.askthecommish.com/freeagency/

    (FREE AGENT DEFINITIONS)

    OFFER SHEET: A contract offer from another team signed by a (RFA), Transition Player, of Franchise Player. The player’s original team has seven days to match the offer and retain the player.
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    QUALIFYING OFFER: An initial contract offer made to (RFAs). This offer determines what type of compensation the player’s original team receives if the RFA signs with another team. The original team is awarded draft choices from the signing team. The highest compensation is a package of 1st and 3rd round picks. Players tendered minimum offers carry compensation equivalent to the round in which they were originally drafted.

    For instance, a (RFA) was originally a 6th round pick, and is given a minimum tender “Qualifying Offer.” If he signs an “Offer Sheet” with another team and the original team declines to match the offer, the original team will receive the signing team’s 6th round pick. Players who were originally rookie free agents carry no compensation if a minimum qualifying offer is tendered.
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    COMPENSATORY DRAFT PICKS: Compensation awarded by the league to teams who lost more (UFAs) than they signed. Compensation is in the form of extra draft picks added to the end of rounds three through seven. The quantity of picks is equivalent to the difference of (UFAs) signed to (UFAs) lost. For example, if a team loses 4 UFAs and signs 1 UFA, they will receive three Compensatory Selections.

    The value of the picks is determined by the difference of the contracts signed by the players lost and those acquired. The highest possible compensatory pick is the 31st of the third round (91st overall). If a team has signed an equal number or more (UFAs) than it lost, no “Compensatory Picks” are awarded.
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    TRANSITION PLAYER: Each team may name two Transition Players and that label must remain with them until their contracts expire or until they are released. They will be paid at least the average of the top ten highest paid players at his position. A Transition Player may sign an “Offer Sheet” with any other team, but his original team has seven days to match any offer he receives. If the original team declines to match the offer, no compensation will be awarded.
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    FRANCHISE PLAYER: Each team may name one Franchise Player and that label must remain with him until his contract expires or until he is released. He will be paid at least the average of the top five highest paid players at his position. He may sign an “Offer Sheet” with any other team, but his original team has seven days to match any offer he receives. If the original team declines to match the offer, compensation in the form of two first round draft picks in consecutive years will be awarded from the signing team.
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    TEAM OPTION: FIRST ROUND DRAFT PICKS: Teams have the option to exercise a fifth-year option for all first-round picks. The fifth year is guaranteed for injury when employed. The fifth-year salary varies depending on how high the player was drafted. The top 10 selections receive a salary equal to the average of the 10 highest salaries at their position.

    For the remainder of the first round, the wage is the average of the third through 25th highest salaries at the position. These will soon be very important decisions for the RAMS when players like Aaron DONALD & Greg ROBINSON’s Team Options come up in 2018…. GURLEY in 2019…. Goff in 2020 etc…
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    RESTRICTED FREE AGENT (RFA): A player whose contract has expired and has fewer than four tenured years in the league. He may sign an “Offer Sheet” with any other team, but his original team has seven days to match any offer he receives. If the original team does not match the offer, compensation will be awarded in the form of draft picks from the signing team.

    The round and quantity of picks are determined by the “Qualifying Offer” made by the player’s original team. If a (RFA) is tendered a minimum qualifying offer the compensation is the equivalent of the round in which that player was originally selected. If that player was originally a rookie free agent, no compensation is awarded.
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    EXCLUSIVE RIGHTS FREE AGENT (ERFA): Which isn’t really very “free” at all. Such a player has no more than two accrued seasons in the NFL and may only sign with his prior team, provided, of course, that the team extends a minimum qualifying offer to the player.. No compensation is awarded for losing EFAs.
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    UNRESTRICTED FREE AGENT (UFA): A player whose contract has expired and has four or more tenured years in the league. He may sign with any other team with no restrictions. If a team loses more UFAs than it signs, they will be awarded “Compensatory Draft Picks” from the league. The value of the pick is determined by the difference of the contracts signed by the players lost and those acquired. If a team has signed an equal number or more (UFAs) than it has lost, no “Compensatory Picks” will be awarded.
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    How is the Salary Cap calculated during the offseason, when team rosters can total up to a maximum of 90 players?

    Only the TOP 51 Player Salaries for a team Count against the salary cap in the offseason. (Outstanding tenders apply.) During the regular season, all player salaries count toward the salary cap.
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    2016 Los Angeles Rams Current Salary Cap: Top 51 players counted put the Rams at approximately $6,432,531 under the Salary Cap[/color]

    The Rams will again likely be the youngest team in the NFL with an approximate average age of (25.12)

    PLAYERS/CONTRACTS & Salary Cap Hit (2016 LOS ANGELES RAMS)

    (UFA= UNRESTRICTED Free Agent), (RFA= RESTRICTED Free Agent), (ERFA= EXCLUSIVE RIGHTS Free Agent) (Team Option= 1st Round Draft Picks)

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    (Age) …… (Player) ………. (Salary Cap Hit) .. (Year Contract Expires/Term)

    (21) QB Jared GOFF ………. $5,079,577 ……. 2020 (Team Option)
    (28) QB Case KEENUM …… $3,635,000 ……. 2017 (UFA)
    (24) QB Sean MANNION ……. $738,734 …….. 2019 (UFA)

    (27) QB Nick FOLES ……….. $8,750,000 ……. 2018 (UFA)
    (24) QB Dylan THOMPSON … $525,000 ……. 2017 (ERFA)
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    (21) RB Todd GURLEY …… $3,141,632 ……. 2019 (Team Option)
    (26) RB B.CUNNINGHAM … $1,671,000 ……. 2017 (UFA)
    (22) RB Tre MASON …………… $800,521 ……. 2018 (UFA)
    (23) RB Malcolm BROWN …… $450,000 ……. 2018 (RFA)

    (28) RB Chase REYNOLDS … $862,500 ……. 2017 (UFA)
    (23) RB Terrence MAGEE ……. $525,000 ……. 2017 (ERFA)
    (23) RB Aaron GREEN ……….. $450,000 ……. 2019 (RFA)
    (24) FB Zach LASKEY ………… $450,000 ……. 2018 (ERFA)
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    (27) WR Kenny BRITT …….. $4,850,000 ……. 2017 (UFA)
    (25) WR Tavon AUSTIN ……. $4,057,137 ……. 2018 (UFA)
    (27) WR Brian QUICK ………..$1,703,125 ……. 2017 (UFA)

    (21) WR Pharoh COOPER ….. $588,666 ……. 2020 (UFA)
    (23) WR Bradley MARQUEZ … $527,166 ……. 2018 (UFA)
    (21) WR Mike THOMAS ………. $479,017 ……. 2020 (UFA)

    (23) WR Nelson SPRUCE ……. $450,000 ……. 2019 (RFA)
    (23) WR Duke WILLIAMS …….. $450,000 ……. 2019 (RFA)
    (23) WR Paul MCROBERTS …. $450,000 ……. 2019 (RFA)
    (21) WR Marquez NORTH ……. $450,000 ……. 2019 (RFA)
    (25) WR Deon LONG……………. $450,000 ……. 2019 (RFA)
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    (28) TE Lance KENDRICKS .. $3,250,000 ……. 2019 (UFA)
    (26) TE Cory HARKEY ………… $1,500,000 …… 2019 (UFA)
    (23) TE Tyler HIGBEE …………… $595,215 ……. 2020 (UFA)

    (22) TE T. HEMMINGWAY ……. $450,000 …….. 2020 (UFA)
    (25) TE J. CUNNINGHAM …….. $600,000 ……. 2018 (RFA)
    (23) TE Benson BROWNE ……. $450,000 ……. 2019 (RFA)
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    (28) OC Tim BARNES ……….. $1,250,000 ……. 2018 (UFA)
    (24) OC D. RHANEY …………….. $611,474 ……. 2018 (UFA)
    (26) OC Brian FOLKERTS …….. $675,000 ……. 2017 (UFA)
    (26) OC Eric KUSH ………………. $675,000 ……. 2017 (UFA)

    (28) OG Rodger SAFFOLD …. $5,656,250 …… 2019 (UFA)
    (29) OG Garrett REYNOLDS … $2,000,021 …… 2017 (UFA)
    (23) OG Jamon BROWN ………… $764,279 …… 2019 (UFA)
    (24) OG Cody WICHMANN …….. $547,621 …… 2019 (UFA)
    (24) OL Andrew DONNAL ………. $649,233 …… 2019 (UFA)

    (23) OT Greg ROBINSON …… $5,804,754 ……. 2018 (Team Option)
    (24) OT Rob HAVENSTEIN ……. $902,277 ……. 2019 (UFA)
    (22) OT Darrell WILLIAMS………. $527,500 ……. 2018 (RFA)

    (23) OT Isaiah BATTLE ………… $525,000 ……. 2018 (RFA)
    (23) OT Jordan SWINDLE ……… $450,000 ……. 2019 (RFA)
    (22) OT Pace MURPHY …………. $450,000 ……. 2019 (RFA)
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    (26) PP Johnny HEKKER …… $2,595,995 ……. 2021 (UFA)
    (28) KK Greg ZUERLEIN …….. $1,250,000 ……. 2017 (UFA)
    (23) KK Taylor BERTOLET …….. $450,000 ……. 2019 (RFA)

    (28) LS Jake MCQUAIDE ……… $875,000 ……. 2018 (UFA)
    (23) LS Jeff OVERBAUH ……….. $450,000 ……. 2019 (RFA)
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    SUMMARY: Rams OFFENSE in 2017 has 11 Players under contract that will become (UFA’s) or (ERFA’s) (Obviously some will not make the 53)

    (28) QB Case KEENUM …… 2017 (UFA)
    (27) WR Kenny BRITT …….. 2017 (UFA)
    (27) WR Brian QUICK ……… 2017 (UFA)
    (26) RB B.CUNNINGHAM … 2017 (UFA)
    (28) RB C.REYNOLDS …….. 2017 (UFA)

    (29) OG G.REYNOLDS ……. 2017 (UFA)
    (26) OC B.FOLKERTS …….. 2017 (UFA)
    (26) OC Eric KUSH …………. 2017 (UFA)
    (28) KK Greg ZUERLEIN …. 2017 (UFA)

    (24) QB D. THOMPSON ….. 2017 (ERFA)
    (24) RB T. MAGEE ………….. 2017 (ERFA)

    SUMMARY: Rams OFFENSE in 2018 has 12 Players under contract that will become (UFA’s) or (ERFA’s)

    (23) OT Greg ROBINSON … (Team Option 2018)

    (28) OC Tim BARNES ………. 2018 (UFA)
    (25) WR Tavon AUSTIN…….. 2018 (UFA)
    (23) WR B. MARQUEZ …….. 2018 (UFA)
    (22) RB Tre MASON…………. 2018 (UFA)
    (24) OC D. RHANEY ………… 2018 (UFA)
    (28) LS Jake MCQUAIDE ….. 2018 (UFA)

    (22) OT D. WILLIAMS ………. 2018 (RFA)
    (23) OT Isaiah BATTLE …….. 2018 (RFA)
    (25) TE J. CUNNINGHAM …. 2018 (RFA)
    (23) RB Malcolm BROWN …. 2018 (RFA)

    (24) FB Zach LASKEY ……… 2018 (ERFA)
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    DEFENSE

    (Age) ……. (Player) ……….. (Salary Cap Hit) .. (Year Contract Expires/Term)

    (26) DE Robert QUINN …….. $11,157,374 ……. 2020 (UFA)
    (31) DE William HAYES ……… $7,000,000 ……. 2019 (UFA)
    (30) DL Eugene SIMS ………… $3,000,000 ……. 2019 (UFA)
    (25) DL E. WESTBROOKS ……. $606,668 ……. 2017 (RFA)

    (26) DE Quinton COPLES ….. $3,000,000 ……. 2018 (UFA)
    (24) DE Matt LONGACRE ……… $525,000 ……. 2017 (ERFA)
    (23) DE Ian SEAU ………………… $450,000 ……. 2019 (RFA)
    (21) DE Fox MORGAN ………….. $450,000 ……. 2019 (RFA)

    (25) DT Michael BROCKERS .. $6,146,000 …… 2017 (UFA)
    (25) DT Aaron DONALD ……….. $2,764,500 …… 2018 (Team Option)
    (24) DT Dominique EASLEY …….. $600,000 …… 2017 (UFA)
    (29) DT Cam THOMAS ……………. $600,000 …… 2017 (UFA)
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    (26) LB Mark BARRON ……….. $6,000,000 ……. 2021 (UFA)
    (27) LB Akeem AYERS …………. $3,300,000 ……. 2017 (UFA)
    (24) LB Alec OGLETREE ………. $2,236,829 ……. 2018 (UFA)
    (24) LB Bryce HAGER …………….. $543,035 ……. 2018 (RFA)
    (22) LB Cameron LYNCH ………… $525,666 ……. 2018 (RFA)

    (22) LB Brandon CHUBB ……….. $450,000 ……. 2019 (RFA)
    (24) LB Nic GRIGSBY …………….. $450,000 ……. 2019 (RFA)
    (23) LB Cory LITTLETON ………… $450,000 ……. 2019 (RFA)
    (22) LB Darreon HERRING ……… $450,000 ……. 2019 (RFA)
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    (26) CB Trumaine JOHNSON .. $13,952,000 ……. 2017 (UFA)
    (27) CB Coty SENSABAUGH …… $4,850,000 ……. 2019 (UFA)
    (25) CB Lamarcus JOYNER …….. $1,371,867 ……. 2018 (UFA)
    (24) CB EJ GAINES …………………… $626,918 ……. 2018 (UFA)
    (23) CB Marcus ROBERSON ……… $605,000 ……. 2017 (RFA)

    (24) CB Troy HILL ……………………. $525,000 ……. 2018 (RFA)
    (22) DB Mike JORDAN ………………. $450,000 ……. 2019 (RFA)
    (23) CB Jabriel WASHINGTON …… $450,000 ……. 2019 (RFA)
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    (25) SS T.J. MCDONALD ………… $1,833,000 ……. 2017 (UFA)
    (27) FS Cody DAVIS ……………….. $1,305,555 ……. 2018 (UFA)
    (25) SS Maurice ALEXANDER ……. $716,065 ……. 2018 (UFA)
    (24) FS Christian BRYANT …………. $525,000 ……. 2017 (ERFA)

    (23) FS Brian RANDOLPH ………,,,. $450,000 ……. 2019 (RFA)
    (22) FS Jordan LOMAX ……………..,. $450,000 ……. 2019 (RFA)
    (23) FS Rohan GAINES ………….,,,,, $450,000 ……. 2019 (RFA)
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    SUMMARY: Rams DEFENSE in 2017 has 11 Players under contract that will become (UFA’s) or (ERFA’s) (Obviously some will not make the 53)

    (26) CB Trumaine JOHNSON……. 2017 (UFA)
    (25) DT Michael BROCKERS …… 2017 (UFA)
    (25) SS T.J. MCDONALD ………… 2017 (UFA)

    (27) LB Akeem AYERS……………. 2017 (UFA)
    (24) DT D. EASLEY ……………….. 2017 (UFA)
    (29) DT Cam THOMAS …………… 2017 (UFA)
    (28) KK G. ZUERLEIN ……………. 2017 (UFA)

    (25) DL E. WESTBROOKS ……… 2017 (RFA)
    (23) CB M. ROBERSON …………. 2017 (RFA)

    (24) FS Christian BRYANT ………. 2017 (ERFA)
    (24) DE Matt LONGACRE ……….. 2017 (ERFA)

    SUMMARY: Rams DEFENSE in 2018 has 11 Players under contract that will become (UFA’s) or (RFA’s)

    (25) DT Aaron DONALD (Team Option 2018)

    (24) LB A. OGLETREE …………… 2018 (UFA)
    (24) CB EJ GAINES ………………. 2018 (UFA)
    (25) CB L. JOYNER ………………. 2018 (UFA)
    (25) SS M. ALEXANDER ……….. 2018 (UFA)

    (26) DE Quinton COPLES ………. 2018 (UFA)
    (28) LS Jake MCQUAIDE ………. 2018 (UFA)
    (27) FS Cody DAVIS ……………… 2018 (UFA)

    (24) LB Bryce HAGER …………… 2018 (RFA)
    (22) LB Cameron LYNCH ……….. 2018 (RFA)
    (24) CB Troy HILL …………………. 2018 (RFA)

    http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/los-angeles-rams/cap/
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    VIDEO Link: Demoff & Snead talk about Salary Cap Strategy

    Many of you probably have seen plenty of salary cap charts/graphs from sportrac and other sites already so I hope this version and presentation of the Rams current player contracts and salary cap was informal and maybe gave a few of you, a more clear perception of what maybe to expect in the near future.

    Thanks for observing, Florida

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    It’s sad that we live in a world where oil companies can get away with making such outrageously stupid and obviously self-serving statements.

    So I have to weigh what you say against this huge successful, prestigous business that has done so much good for all of us.

    If oil spills are so bad, why is no one ever arrested for them. Hmm?

    If you hate america so much why don’t you just move to vermont.

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    I have accepted Brady’s suspension
    as well, btw.

    New England’s 1st 4 games:

    @ ARZ
    Miami
    Houston
    Buffalo

    So 3 home games. That little fact eases our pain somewhat, fortunately.

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    Analysis: Standing down was the smart move by Tom Brady

    http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/patriots/the_blitz/2016/07/analysis_standing_down_was_the_smart_move_by_tom_brady

    Why now? Why stand down?

    That’s the question many Patriots are probably asking today after Tom Brady announced he would abandon his legal challenge to the four-game suspension handed down to him by NFL commissioner Roger Goodell.

    Perhaps Brady was tired of fighting. Perhaps he didn’t think he could win at the U.S. Supreme Court.

    But ultimately, it was probably that Brady didn’t want the possibility of the suspension being reinstated at some point during the season that drove his decision to withdraw from the appeal.

    Consider the statement from the NFL Players Association that it may yet continue the appeal — without Brady at the head of the case — at the Supreme Court. The decision for Brady to stand down, the union said, “was made in the interest of certainty and planning for Tom prior to the New England Patriots season.”

    Translation: Brady didn’t want a ‘no’ from the Supreme Court to lead to him serving the suspension in December, January or … gulp … February.

    Brady might have been able to get the Supreme Court to stay his suspension while it considered whether to hear his case. That would have allowed him to play in Week 1 and beyond.

    But if the court then refused to hear the case, Brady’s suspension would likely be immediately reinstated by Goodell. That could happen in December with the Patriots pushing for the playoffs. Or it could happen in January with the Patriots in the playoffs. Or, in a worst case scenario, imagine the Patriots reaching the Super Bowl and then, 10 days before, the Supreme Court declines to hear Brady’s case.

    That’s a bad time to have to start serving a suspension.

    So instead Brady and the Patriots have the certainty of knowing he’ll miss the first four games. They know the opponents. The schedule is manageable, with three of the games at home. And it comes at a point in the season when the Patriots are still learning what type of team they have anyway.

    Call it a team-friendly move by Brady if you want. But really, it’s just the smart move.

    He was facing very long odds to get the Supreme Court to hear his case. The trend in the case was bad. Judges weren’t buying what his lawyers were saying.

    Patriots fans may not like that. But this was the hand Brady was dealt. He made the best and smartest move he could make at this point.

    Get ready to see him Oct. 9 in Cleveland.

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    Patriots owner rips the NFL, says Tom Brady didn’t get his due process

    http://www.theredzone.org/BlogDescription/tabid/61/EntryId/57430/Patriots-owner-rips-the-NFL–says-Tom-Brady-didn-t-get-his-due-process/Default.aspx

    Ater New England Patriots quarterback Tom Brady announced Friday he would serve his four game suspension, owner Robert Kraft issued a lengthy statement voicing his disappointment in the process.

    “While I was disappointed with the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals’ decision not to rehear Tom Brady’s case, I am most frustrated that Tom was denied his right to a fair and impartial process. The League’s investigation into a football pressure matter was flawed and biased from the start, and has been discredited nearly unanimously by accredited academics and scientists.

    “The penalty imposed by the NFL was unprecedented, unjust and unreasonable, especially given that no empirical or direct evidence of any kind showed Tom did anything to violate League rules prior to, during or after the 2015 AFC Championship Game. What Tom has had to endure throughout this 18-month ordeal has been, in my opinion, as far removed from due process as you could ever expect in this country.

    “From day one, I have believed in Tom and given him my unwavering support in his pursuit to rightfully clear his name of any wrongdoing. That support extends throughout our organization and has only grown more steadfast as the preponderance of scientific evidence has exonerated Tom. Unfortunately, this stopped being about air pressure a long time ago.

    “This entire process has indelibly taken a toll on our organization, our fans and most importantly, Tom Brady. His reluctant decision to stop pursuing further action and to put this situation behind him is what he feels is best for the team in preparation for this season and is fully supported by me and our entire organization.

    “To our devoted fans, your unwavering support for Tom and our organization have only reinforced our longstanding belief that we have the greatest fans in all of sports. We will continue to unequivocally support Tom and know our fans will rally around him and the rest of the team like never before. Our full focus now is on making the upcoming season a memorable one for all of our fans.”

    Editors Note: While we won’t disagree with Kraft’s statement, we have to note that Kraft was part of the owners negotiating team which produced the CBA denying Brady due process. Karma’s a bitch sometimes isn’t it Robert?

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    NFLPA may take Deflategate to SCOTUS despite Brady decision

    http://www.theredzone.org/BlogDescription/tabid/61/EntryId/57420/NFLPA-may-take-Deflategate-to-SCOTUS-despite-Brady-decision/Default.aspx

    Despite Tom Brady’s decision to drop his appeal and accept his four-game suspension in the Deflategate debacle, the NFLPA is still considering taking the case to the Supreme Court according to Adam Schefter of ESPN.

    “We will continue to review all of our options and we reserve our rights to petition for cert to the Supreme Court,” said the NFLPA in a statement released on Friday. Brady will still serve his suspension but, in the extremely unlikely scenario that the union wins in court, the NFL would refund Brady’s four missed game checks to the tune of $253,000.

    Brady clearly weighed the lengthy odds against him and decided he would rather miss the Patriots first four regular season games rather than face the possibility of a suspension later in the season when the team will likely be pushing towards the playoffs. That is probably the right decision for both the player and the team. As for the NFLPA, they might more wisely use their resources figuring out how to rescind Commisioner Roger Goodell’s absolute power over player discipline decisions in the next collective bargaining agreement.

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    Rams Broadcast Team to Include NFL Network’s Siciliano?

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    http://www.turfshowtimes.com/2016/7/16/12206056/rams-broadcast-team-to-include-nfl-network-s-siciliano

    The Rams may have found a familiar face for their broadcasts

    After the Rams returned to LA, it was extremely unlikely that they would retain their St. Louis-based broadcast team of Steve Savard (play by play) and former LA/St. Louis Ram D’Marco Farr (analysis). This mean that the Rams would be shopping for a new gameday broadcast crew.

    Per a Barrett Sports Media report, the Rams’ LA-based broadcast team will at least include NFL Network’s Andrew Siciliano:

    According to sources, Andrew Siciliano will soon be named the play by play radio voice of the Los Angeles Rams. Siciliano has done an excellent job on the Red Zone Channel and NFL Network and has prior radio experience in Los Angeles working for FOX Sports Radio and ESPNLA 710. He also worked as a sports radio reporter earlier in his career in Chicago. His ascension to the play by play position with the Rams has been expected for quite some time. The team utilized him to call pre-season games on television in St. Louis during the past few seasons.

    One person who isn’t expected to be part of the Rams radio broadcast team is Eric Dickerson. The Los Angeles Rams legend was the odds on favorite to be named the team’s radio analyst and talks with the team did take place, but the Hall of Fame running back is planning to explore a different role instead. Multiple sources say Dickerson will join AM 570 LA Sports as a contributor for the 2016 NFL season. Details about his role remain unclear. With Dickerson out of the picture, the names Jim Everett, Jerome Bettis, and Maurice Jones-Drew have been mentioned as possible options in the analyst role.

    The Rams have not yet made an official announcement. There had been rumors about Dickerson joining the broadcast team, but it appears those were unsubstantiated.

    Siciliano is already very familiar with the Rams, having called their preseason games for five years in a row with Hall of Famer Marshall Faulk and (future Hall of Famer) Torry Holt on analysis.

    But, it appears Siciliano would need to renege his responsibilities at NFL Network to take over LA’s PBP. He is the host for NFL Total Access as well as DirecTV’s Red Zone channel, and to continue would be a conflict of interest for the NFL.

    Who would you like to be Siciliano’s color guy? Stay tuned for additional developments on the Rams’ gameday broadcasting.

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    well. if the rams are gonna give up that much for him i’d rather he a franchise type qb. drew brees caliber is good enough for me. no pressure jared.

    Maybe this is a vocab/semantics thing. To me “franchise qb” doesn’t mean “elite.” Elite is rare. A franchise qb is to me a reliable starter who plays consistently well enough across a series of seasons to KEEP starting (though any given team in question could have a FQB and still not win, due to other factors). So that would include guys like Dalton, Roethlisberger, Flacco, Smith, Rivers, Eli, Romo, Ryan, Brees, Rodgers, Cutler, Newton, Wilson, Palmer. Obviously there’s a wide range of accomplishment and skill among those guys but they fill the key benefit of having a franchise qb—namely, that you don’t need to FIND a franchise qb.

    Can Goff be that?

    I have absolutely no doubt he can.

    Can he be elite? Dunno. Not that it’s necessary…with other things being right, you don’t need an elite qb to win. I will say I see some Warner, Brady, Manning style traits in him.

    What I like. None of this is original.

    Very nice pocket presence, very nice feet, very good feel for moving in the pocket while looking downfield.

    Enough mobility, enough arm.

    Very quick release, very good accuracy. In a lot of ways he’s Bulger’s better cousin.

    He processes fast. Very good field smarts, very good feel for the game, good ability to digest what he sees quickly and fire off on quick decisions.

    AND, near as I can tell so far he is clutch under pressure.

    How well he does as a rookie qb is an open question, but with this guy, I think if he struggles early, it just means he will learn from it and develop.

    Martz on Goff: “Now he made some bad plays, but the (good) plays that he made are plays that only an elite player can make,” Martz said. “I think he could be just ‘stupid’ good. He gets rid of the ball so quick.”

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    Wonder what this means for their cap situation, along the lines of what info agamenon has posted before?

    Cause it sure seems sometimes like only the Rams have to follow the cap!

    According to OverTheCap.com, Miller’s cap hit for 2016 is 11.4 M, which they can fit right in. Starting in 2017 it goes to 20+ M a year.

    In terms of 2016, without looking at the numbers too closely, they have a normal number of players (8) occupying the “top contracts” level in their cap. Their combined cap hits for 2016 amounts to around 50% of the cap, which is normal.

    They paid for this, IMO, by not paying for Osweiller.

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    10 things you should know about Mike Pence, Donald Trump’s running mate

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/07/14/10-things-you-should-know-about-mike-pence-who-may-join-donald-trump-on-the-gop-ticket/

    After weeks of intrigue, and a chaotic 24 hours, Donald Trump is choosing Indiana Gov. Mike Pence (R) as his vice presidential running mate.

    Pence was among the safer choices on Trump’s short list, in part because there were few options more different than Trump himself. The governor is a well-known and generally well-liked figure in Republican circles. He’s been in public office since 2000, most of that time in Congress. And he’s got social conservative cred that could shore up support for the ticket among evangelicals who are wary of Trump.

    Here’s what you need to know about him:

    1. Yes, he’s that guy from the last year’s religious freedom debate.

    Pence was already well known and respected in Republican circles when he was elected governor of Indiana in 2012. But he became a household name when he signed a religious freedom bill into law in 2015. Pence said it would extend legal protections to Indiana business owners who didn’t want to participate in same-sex weddings, citing their religious beliefs; opponents argued that he was sanctioning discrimination.

    The law got so much attention that at the 2015 White House correspondents’ dinner, President Obama joked he and Vice President Biden were so close that “in some places in Indiana, they won’t serve us pizza anymore.”

    After a week of taking heat from Democrats, LGBT activists, corporate America and the NBA, Pence signed an amendment, saying it’s not okay to use it to discriminate against gay people. But that didn’t quell activists’ criticism of the law, nor did it boost Pence’s tanking approval ratings.

    2. He’s a social conservative.

    Pence is a devout evangelical Christian who regularly talks about his faith. (He likes to describe himself as “a Christian, a conservative and a Republican, in that order.”) This spring, Pence signed into law one of the strictest abortion laws in the nation. Indiana is now the second state in the nation to ban abortions when the fetus has a disability, a law likely to be challenged in court.

    But not all social conservatives are thrilled with Pence now: Some thought he backed off last year’s religious freedom debate under pressure from liberal groups.

    3. He’s facing a competitive reelection.

    At least, he was. Pence will have to drop out of his reelection bid now — which may be a good thing for him, given the religious freedom debate did Pence no favors in his reelection bid. Sensing an opportunity in a state that’s been trending red lately, Democrats re-recruited businessman John Gregg, who has described himself as a “gun-totin,’ Bible-quotin,’ Southern Indiana Democrat.” Pence and Gregg have matched up against each other before: Gregg lost to Pence in 2012 by 3.2 percentage points in an election in which Pence failed to get 50 percent of the vote. The race made our list of top 5 seats most likely to flip.

    Now, Indiana Republicans have to scramble to find a replacement four months before the election.

    4. He was an early advocate for the tea party movement.

    One of Pence’s former advisers told NBC that even before the 2010 summer of discontent between conservatives and the establishment, Pence was tuned into the populist strain of the party. While in Congress, he voted against big spending bills that the tea party would come to loathe.

    5. He endorsed Ted Cruz for president.

    The political world’s eyes were again on Pence this spring when his state had the potential to determine the winner of the Republican presidential primary. Pence came under scrutiny for being unusually quiet about who he’d support, a reflection of how the primary divided the populist strain of the GOP and its leaders. Four days before the primary, he finally, somewhat halfheartedly, said he’d be voting for Ted Cruz. But Pence tried to tack on a political insurance policy in case Trump won the state by adding, “I’m not against anybody,” which may not have been the boldest pronouncement but certainly seems to have been the most politically savvy.

    Trump did win Indiana by almost 20 percentage points. Cruz dropped out that night, and Pence said he’d support Trump as the nominee.

    [Why endorsing Ted Cruz wasn’t an easy call for Mike Pence]

    6. Paul Ryan likes him.

    Before becoming governor of Indiana in 2013, Pence spent six terms in Congress, where he served on committees that dealt with foreign affairs and technology and was generally well-liked and respected by his colleagues. Over time, he smoothed out his populist, tea party edges and rose to some of the highest ranks in the party. In 2008, his colleagues elected him to the House GOP’s No. 3 spot, Republican Conference chairman, a job dedicated to shaping the party’s messaging after it got slammed in the 2008 elections. (Republicans took back the House in 2010.)

    Pence seems to have maintained his ties on Capitol Hill after leaving it. This week, House Speaker Paul D. Ryan (R-Wis.) said Pence is a “personal friend.”

    And before he came to Congress, Pence hosted a talk radio show, calling himself “Rush Limbaugh on decaf.”

    7. He once challenged John Boehner for his party’s leadership spot in the House.

    Pence may have harbored dreams of being House speaker himself. In 2006, while Republicans were still in the minority, Pence decided to run for the leader of the party against a veteran GOP congressman from Ohio, John Boehner. It didn’t go so well. Pence, who positioned himself as the conservative in the race, lost in a vote among fellow House Republicans 168 to 27.

    8. He’s long been viewed as a potential presidential candidate.

    In 2010, conservative activists at a Values Voter Summit voted Pence their top choice for a 2012 presidential candidate, a key test of grass-roots support (but not one that’s necessarily indicative of success). Interestingly, Pence’s 2016 veep competition, former House speaker Newt Gingrich, was also on that straw poll and came in fourth.

    Pence’s name was also floated in 2008 as a potential presidential contender. Pence decided to stay in Indiana and run for governor, where he eked out a win against Gregg.

    9. He’s got ties to the Koch brothers.

    The billionaire brothers have so far stayed out of the presidential race, a sign they’re no fans of Trump. But their 2016 involvement could change with Pence by Trump’s side: The résumés of several of Pence’s top aides also include stints with the Koch brothers’ vast corporate and political networks.

    UPDATE: Our crack money in politics reporter Matea Gold reports that the Koch brothers don’t plan on getting involved in the presidential race even if their guy Pence is the GOP’s No. 2.

    10. He grew up as a Democrat.

    And idolizing John F. Kennedy. Pence told CBN News in a 2010 interview: “It may be that I grew up in a big Irish Catholic family like he did. Maybe it was that my grandparents were so proud of the first Irish Catholic president.” He even still has a box of Kennedy memorabilia.

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    Periods For Pence Has Come Back With A Vengeance

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    Presumptive Republican nominee Donald Trump announced Friday morning on Twitter that Indiana Gov. Mike Pence would be his running mate in the 2016 presidential election. Pence has been at the center of some nightmarish anti-abortion legislation in Indiana. In April, he signed a bill forcing women to disclose their reasons for terminating a pregnancy and criminalizing doctors who provided the service, which prompted women around the state to call his office and report on their periods since the governor was so concerned with their private matters. The protest, called Periods for Pence, is back and targeting the Trump HQ this time.

    Once the news that Pence would be Trump’s running mate this fall was confirmed on Friday, the Periods for Pence Facebook page shared the Trump campaign headquarters phone number, and called on women across the country to call with information about “those hoo-has.” Women took to the thread right away, asking, “Does this mean women all over the US can start bugging Trump now with our hoo-ha activity?” Another asked, “Does this mean I can call Trump directly about the blood coming out of my wherever?” referencing Trump’s prior comments about Megyn Kelly.

    STAT News reported that the group’s organizer — who is also collaborating with another social media campaign, “Tampons for Trump” — renewed the call to action because, “Since Trump chose Pence then he must have as deep a concern about women’s health care and reproductive issues, so he should probably know about them too.”

    Trump has hardly been a proponent of reproductive rights and justice, not only calling for the punishment of women who seek abortions, but also engaging in a number of misogynistic comments and actions related to women’s appearances, sexual assault, and sexual health. For instance, Trump once suggested that women joining the military would obviously lead to higher rates of sexual violence, and tweeted unflattering photos of his opponent Ted Cruz’s wife during his primary campaign.

    Trump has made harsh comments about abortion as well, suggesting, “I am pro-life. … Public funding of abortion providers is an insult to people of conscience at the least and an affront to good governance at best.” It was only a matter of time before women would respond to Pence’s addition to the Trump campaign since Pence was once concerned with Indiana women’s private sexual and reproductive matters.

    One woman from Utah wrote to the page, “I asked where to send my used tampons for proper legal disposal in case of a miscarriage.” Another woman shared, “I called and left a message. Told them since Pence was a possible running mate I better start giving them a daily report on my reproductive cycle.” Another said she called to say she was confused about what to do in regards to her “uterus now that Pence is running.”

    Now that Pence has joined team Trump, the campaign staff might just have to get used to calls regarding reproductive health.

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    Done: Broncos and LB Von Miller agree to six-year deal

    http://www.theredzone.org/BlogDescription/tabid/61/EntryId/57418/Done–Broncos-and-LB-Von-Miller-agree-to-six-year-deal/Default.aspx

    Finally-the Denver Broncos have reportedly finalized a six-year deal with Super Bowl MVP linebacker Von Miller according to Rand Getlin of NFL Network.

    The exact contract numbers have not yet been released but reports earlier Friday morning listed a six-year, $114 million contract that includes $70 million guaranteed. It is easily one of the richest contracts in NFL history. Both sides won in the deal. The Broncos keep possibly the best player in the league and give themselves a realistic chance of winning back-to-back Super Bowls despite an uncertain situation at quarterback while Miller has long-term security, gets to make history with the largest amount of guaranteed money ever, and gets to stay with his chosen team and city.

    Miller will likely be the only franchise player that cashes in long-term on Friday and for a very good reason-while folks like Bears WR Alshon Jeffery, Rams CB Trumaine Johnson, and Chiefs S Eric Berry are exceptional and very valuable players, they are not indispensable to their teams’ championship dreams in the same way Miller is with the Broncos. That, my friends, is the ultimate leverage.

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    but it also sounds like you’re saying i had it tough so why shouldn’t the next guy?

    why? if you could have gone to your dream school based on merit and not have to think about paying off debt you wouldn’t take that opportunity? just cuz it’s been done one way doesn’t mean it HAS to be that way.

    and why wouldn’t a system like this help a guy like you? if you didn’t have that debt to pay off you would have even more income and wealth are your disposal no?

    Plus everyone in this discussion was “helped” when it came to all this.

    Unless there is someone here who grew up in a rented apartment in a bad neighborhood with a distinctly underfunded, bad school and whose family could never help them in any single way, ever.

    And that last paragraph does NOT refer to just family help.

    People who are in the opposite situation—ie. they grew up in owned houses in at least bottomline decent neighborhoods—were directly helped, in more ways than they can count, by an array of federal policies that are deliberately set up TO help people in their situations. Plus also helped by the various ways in which state governments (used to) fund public university education.

    That’s even if they BELIEVE they did everything on their own. All that belief means is that they have not looked very closely at the reality.

    And of course people can squander opportunities, and so congrats to the people who did well for themselves (which is all of us on this forum, each in different ways, but still there are some who put in the extra mile). So I take nothing away from any individual when I say all this. BUT the MYTH that just “working hard, making right choices” is all there is to this? It is precisely that, a myth. Everyone here was directly helped in their educations by this or that state or federal policy. It’s just that for some reason, we make that fact invisible and convince ourselves we did more and others don’t deserve things, when a lot of that ACTUALLY is the truth that (a) we were helped and (b) our circumstances gave us opportunities.


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    “Inherited background advantages”?

    What the hell is that?

    So, if actual communication is truly desired…everyone slow down, and post carefully, and listen hard.

    Coz this is really difficult to converse about.

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    WV’s right, O. This is one of those key issues, and it IS tricky. Anyway, so far I have spent 3 long posts describing some of those advantages and where they come from.

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    We parlayed that hard work (as opposed to good fortune- or privilege) into two fully paid college educations for our daughters- one private, one public.

    It’s not just hard work, it was opportunities…presented by others, and by institutions. It honestly is a myth that we do all these things ourselves. So deep a myth that some of us are incapable of looking things in the eye.

    Yeah you have to work hard though there are those who do and don’t get anywhere. And it’s a credit to those who do, and all, but then if you don’t have an institutional set of provided opportunities and inherited background advantages, there’s nowhere to go and no way to get there.

    What I hear constantly in this I made choices, I did right rhetoric we hear all the time is an effort to claim the disadvantaged are disadvantaged because it’s their own fault. In essence that always amounts to “socialism for me, capitalism for you.” Without recognizing that’s what it is.

    Yet virtually everyone who tells me they made it on their own is always just neglecting the ways in which they were sponsored, helped, aided, supported by policies at the government level, and so on. There’s a blindness to that stuff. About half of what I hear in those stories is the rightful pride, and then the other half of what I hear in those stories is the blindness to how policies and specific kinds of opportunies helped them. They then invariably don’t realize those opportunities are not universal. Many of us are set up to benefit from them. Many not.

    No one makes it on their own. Or it’s so rare as to be discountable. Everyone takes useful advantage of policies and institutions set up to help them.

    Like no one in this thread invented the lower downpayment, longterm mortgage and the tax breaks that come with it. That was a deliberate “give away” at the national level. That’s just one example among others.

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    Typical short sighted self absorbed liberal. Too bad you’re incapable of reading into my post what I sacrificed by living within my means.

    Enough.

    Only AFTER he called me SELFISH. You didn’t see that?

    Ideally, yes, I would have seen it, but either way the rules cover that:

    Board Rules & Policies

    Do not make individual posters the object of derision or antagonism, even absent posters from other boards. Posts are fair game, not posters.

    If a poster crosses the line and becomes insulting or antagonistic, do not respond in kind–politely remind that poster of the rules and let mods handle it. Mods quell conflict, they do not judge who is “right” or “who started it.” If a mod asks posters to move on from a volatile exchange, please do so without comment.

    Political discussion is volatile, for so many reasons it would be hard to list them all.

    But still. Enough (to everyone). Move on (said to everyone.)

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