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    Opponent Breakdown: Preseason at Denver

    Myles Simmons

    http://www.therams.com/news-and-events/article-1/Opponent-Breakdown-Preseason-at-Denver/7718171b-41c9-4b9e-a87d-1595b28d3cfc

    The Broncos finished the 2015 season the way every would have liked to — holding the Lombardi Trophy with confetti falling as Super Bowl Champions.

    But the defending champs have experienced some turnover on their roster, particularly at the quarterback position, as last year’s starters Peyton Manning and Brock Osweiler retired and signed with the Texans, respectively. However the QB competition shakes out, Denver will likely remain a contender because of its top-tier defense.

    AT A GLANCE

    Executive VP of Football Operations/General Manager — and Hall of Fame quarterback — John Elway hired former Texans head coach Gary Kubiak to take over as head coach in order to push the team from contender to champion and the gamble clearly paid dividends in Year 1. Despite shaky quarterback play from both Manning and at times Osweiler, the Broncos compiled a 12-4 record and ran the table in the postseason to win the Super Bowl in Kubiak’s first year at the helm.

    Despite coming into the Super Bowl as underdogs to the Panthers, the Broncos’ defense got sacks and forced turnovers en route to a 24-10 victory. Denver’s No. 1 unit allowed led the league by allowing only 283.1 yards per game and was No. 4 in points allowed at 18.4.

    Clearly, there have been some changes to both the offense and defense with the defending Super Bowl squad. Defensive end Malik Jackson signed with the Jaguars. Offensive lineman Evan Mathis signed with the Cardinals. Linebacker Danny Trevathan signed with the Bears. And Osweiler famously went to Houston. 

But the club matched Miami’s offer sheet to re-sign running back C.J. Anderson and signed vaunted pass rusher Von Miller to a six-year deal in July after placing the exclusive-rights franchise tag on him.

    Still, the quarterback situation provides the most intrigue heading into this year. Denver drafted Trevor Siemian in the seventh round of the 2015 draft, and he spent his rookie season mostly confined to the sideline. Veteran Mark Sanchez is now on his third team, having arrived via a March trade with Philadelphia. And the Broncos traded up for first-round pick Paxton Lynch, who has flashed in his preseason action, but may need significant time in order to become ready to start.

    WHO MAY NOT PLAY?

    Tight end Jeff Heuerman, who entered training camp as the starting tight end, has been dealing with a hamstring injury and appears unlikely to be ready for Saturday.

    Defensive lineman Derek Wolfe has ben away from the team dealing with a family issue, and with the missed practice, may not play.

    Outside linebacker Demarcus Ware is fresh off the NFI list this week, and as such is fairly unlikely to play. After back surgery, his goal has been to be ready for the regular-season opener.

    WHO ARE PLAYERS TO WATCH?

    The obvious answer here is the three quarterbacks: Siemian, Sanchez, and Lynch. Each has had his moments, but Siemian appears to have the inside track to becoming the Broncos’ starter for Week 1.

    Siemian will start Saturday’s contest against the Rams. Kubiak declined to say who would come in second at quarterback, but at this point, it seems that both Sanchez and Lynch could be the backup to start the season.

    Sanchez has played well in spurts, but he’s also fell victim to the turnovers that have plagued him throughout his career. Last week for instance, the USC product was in the midst of a good-looking two-minute drive, when he fumbled in the red zone. The 49ers recovered but turned it over themselves before Sanchez fumbled again. Those are the kinds of plays that could keep him out of the QB-1 role.

    Lynch, on the other hand, just doesn’t seem to have the requisite experience needed to start from Day 1. That said, he has shown an ability to launch the ball all over the field with his arm strength. Plus, he’s displayed a proclivity for escaping a collapsing pocket and pick up yards with his legs.

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    What I heard.

    Basically Neanderthals couldn’t run.

    Plus other stuff.

    ARTICLE: https://www.theguardian.com/science/2013/jun/02/why-did-neanderthals-die-out

    Why did the Neanderthals die out?

    The puzzle is one of the greatest surrounding our species. On a planet that bristled with different types of human being, including Neanderthals and the Hobbit-like folk of Flores, only one is left today: Homo sapiens.

    Our current solo status on Earth is therefore an evolutionary oddity – though it is not clear when our species became Earth’s only masters, nor is it clear why we survived when all other versions of humanity died out. Did we kill off our competitors, or were the others just poorly adapted and unable to react to the extreme climatic fluctuations that then beset the planet?

    These key issues are to be tackled this week at a major conference at the British Museum, in London, called When Europe was covered by ice and ash. At the meeting scientists will reveal results from a five-year research programme using modern dating techniques to answer these puzzles.

    In particular, researchers have focused on the Neanderthals, a species very close in physique and brain size to modern humans. They once dominated Europe, but disappeared after modern humans emerged from our African homeland around 60,000 years ago. The question is: why?

    “A major problem in understanding what happened when modern humans appeared in Europe has concerned the dates for our arrival,” said Professor Chris Stringer, of the Natural History Museum, London. “It was once thought we appeared in Europe around 35,000 years ago and that we coexisted with Neanderthals for thousands of years after that. They may have hung on in pockets – including caves in Gibraltar – until 28,000 years ago, it was believed.”

    In other words, there was a long, gradual takeover by modern humans – an idea that is likely to be demolished at this week’s conference, Stringer said. Results from the five-year research programme, Reset (Response of humans to abrupt environmental transitions), will show that modern humans arrived much earlier than previously estimated and that Neanderthals expired earlier than we thought. Careful dating of finds across Europe suggest Homo sapiens could have reached Europe 45,000 years ago. Five thousand years later, Neanderthals had largely disappeared.

    “Previous research on Neanderthal sites which suggested that they were more recent than 40,000 years old appears to be wrong,” said Stringer. “That is a key finding that will be discussed at the conference.”

    Using radiocarbon technology to date remains that are 40,000 years old has always been tricky. Radioactive carbon decays relatively quickly and after 40,000 years there will only be a tiny amount left in a sample to measure. The tiniest piece of contaminant can then ruin dating efforts.

    However, scientists have set out to get round these problems. At Oxford University, scientists led by Tom Higham have developed new methods to remove contamination and have been able to make much more precise radiocarbon dating for this period. In addition, Reset researchers have used evidence of a devastating eruption of the Campi Flegrei volcano west of Naples 39,000 years ago.

    Recent studies have shown this eruption was much more destructive than previously recognised. More than 60 cubic miles of ash were blasted into the atmosphere and covered a vast area of eastern Europe, North Africa and western Asia. This layer gives scientists a precise means of dating for this period and, combined with the new radiocarbon dating, shows there seem to be no Neanderthal sites anywhere in Europe 39,000 years ago, a date 10,000 years earlier than previous estimates. It is a significant shift in our thinking about our nearest evolutionary cousins.

    Some researchers have even suggested that Campi Flegrei – the biggest volcanic eruption in Europe for more than 200,000 years – would have had a catastrophic impact. Vast plumes of ash would have blotted out the sun for months, or possibly years, and caused temperatures to plummet. Sulphur dioxide, fluoride and chloride emissions would have generated intense falls of acid rain. Neanderthals may simply have shivered and choked to death.

    The Campi Flegrei eruption not only gives us a date for the Neanderthals’ disappearance, it may provide us with the cause of their extinction, though Stringer sounds a note of caution.

    “Some researchers believe there is a link between the eruption and the Neanderthals’ disappearance. But I doubt it,” he said. “From the new radiocarbon dating and the work carried out by Reset scientists, it looks as if the Neanderthals had probably already vanished. A few may still have been hanging around, of course, and Campi Flegrei may have delivered the coup de grace. But it would be wrong to think the eruption was the main cause of the Neanderthals’ demise.”

    So what did kill off the Neanderthals? Given the speed at which they seem to have disappeared from the planet after modern humans spread out of Africa, it is likely that Homo sapiens played a critical role in their demise. That does not mean we chased them down and killed them – an unlikely scenario given their muscular physiques. However, we may have been more successful at competing for resources, as recent research has suggested.

    Eiluned Pearce and Robin Dunbar of Oxford University recently worked with Stringer and compared the skulls of 32 Homo sapiens and 13 Neanderthals, finding the latter had eye sockets that were significantly larger. These larger eyes were an adaptation to the long, dark nights and winters of Europe, they concluded, and would have required much larger visual processing areas in Neanderthal skulls.

    By contrast, modern humans, from sunny Africa, had no need for this adaptation and instead they evolved frontal lobes, which are associated with high-level processing. “More of the Neanderthal brain appears to have been dedicated to vision and body control, leaving less brain to deal with other functions like social networking,” Pearce told BBC News.

    This point is stressed by Stringer. He said: “Neanderthal brains were as big as modern humans’ but the former had bigger bodies. More of their brain cells would have been needed to control these larger bodies, on top of the added bits of cortex needed for their enhanced vision. That means they had less brain power available to them compared with modern humans.”

    Thus our ancestors possessed a fair bit of enhanced cerebral prowess, even though their brains were no bigger than Neanderthals’. How they used that extra brain power is a little trickier to assess, though most scientists believe it maintained complex, extended social networks. Developing an ability to speak complex language would have been a direct outcome, for example.

    Having extended networks of clans would have been a considerable advantage in Europe, which was then descending into another ice age. When times got hard for one group, help could be sought from another. Neanderthals would have less backup. This point is supported by studies of the flints used for Neanderthal tools. These are rarely found more than 30 miles from their source. By contrast, modern humans were setting up operations that saw implements transported 200 miles.

    Cultural life became increasingly important for humans. Research by Tanya Smith of Harvard University recently revealed that modern human childhoods became longer than those of Neanderthals. By studying the teeth of Neanderthal children, she found they grew much more quickly than modern human children. The growth of teeth is linked to overall development and shows Neanderthals must have had a much reduced opportunity to learn from their parents and clan members.

    “We moved from a primitive ‘live fast and die young’ strategy to a ‘live slow and grow old’ strategy and that has helped make humans one of the most successful organisms on the planet,” said Smith. Thus Neanderthals – who already lived in sparse, small populations across Europe – were fundamentally ill-equipped to deal with the newcomers who had arrived from Africa.

    “There may not have been a single cause of Neanderthal extinction,” said Stringer. “They may have disappeared in different regions for different reasons, but the background cause is clear. They didn’t have the numbers.”

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    What I heard.

    Basically Neanderthals couldn’t run.

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    ARTICLE: https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20927984-700-youd-beat-a-neanderthal-in-a-race/

    Raichlen thinks that, unlike our species, Neanderthals probably did not need to be good long-distance runners. H. sapiens lived on hot, dry African grasslands, where they hunted by pursuing large animals over long distances until they collapsed from heat exhaustion. In the cooler regions occupied by Neanderthals, heat exhaustion would not be a problem, so running long distances would not have helped them hunt. Instead, they took advantage of their landscape and ambushed prey.

    Other palaeontologists push the analysis further. “The study hits at the crux of why Neanderthals went extinct,” says Clive Finlayson, director of the Gibraltar Museum.

    John Stewart of Bournemouth University, UK, points out that H. sapiens remains tend to be associated with animals from open habitats, while Neanderthals are found with animals from closed habitats. He and Finlayson believe that when the forests of northern Europe were wiped out by the most recent ice age, Neanderthals were squeezed out of existence as well.

    Archaeological evidence shows that as ice advanced from 50,000 years ago, and northern Europe’s dense forests became tundra, Neanderthals were pushed into small, isolated forest refuges in southern Europe. H. sapiens were able to adapt to hunting on the expanding European tundra. Neanderthals, says Finlayson, found themselves out of step with the environment while modern humans were perfectly suited to it. “We were in the right place at the right time,” he says.

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    Havenstein has been dealing with a calf injury

    Intrepid reporter blazes trail to truth.

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    ‘Hard Knocks’ Episode 3 making a case for Rams quarterback Case Keenum

    http://www.ocregister.com/articles/episode-726827-rams-hard.html

    If you happened to stumble upon a 10-minute interview the current Rams’ No. 1 quarterback did with Fred Roggin and Leeann Tweeden during the Tuesday afternoon “L.A. Today” show on KLAC-AM (570), that should have come across more than a couple of times.

    But if asked to measure your interest or likeability of Keenum based on what you’ve seen through the first two episodes of HBO’s “Hard Knocks,” you may have little to no opinion at all.

    Leading up to Tuesday’s middle installment of the five-part series, the recurring storyline each week is some variation on: How long will it be before No. 1 overall pick and rookie Jared Goff is ready to be the top QB?

    When Keenum was asked Tuesday on the radio about whether he’s bothered by the Goff talk or even notices the “Hard Knocks” cameras around, he replied: “Oh, you definitely notice them. They’re in your face and everywhere including our quarterback meeting room, security cameras like ‘Big Brother’ following you around. But it’s great to have people excited about us and we’re excited about being here. We’re enjoying every second of it.”

    They were more than in his face in Tuesday’s third episode. They were in his apartment kitchen, as his wife, Kimberly, was trying to help him memorize the complicated huddle calls by reading them aloud to Case as she was cooking.

    Recall back in the first episode how Goff struggled learning the language of the NFL quarterback, and stumbled as he tried to repeat it back in the huddle.

    At this point in the process, no matter how hard the Rams may want Goff to accelerate the maturation process, the media may be revealing that Keenum has been a much smarter bet to be put in charge.

    Of course, two more exhibitions, and two more “Hard Knocks” episodes, could twist things up otherwise.

    What else was learned from this new episode:

    • If Rams defensive coordinator Gregg Williams is at all interested in rehabilitating his national image four years after his indefinite NFL suspension for his role in the New Orleans Saints’ “Bountygate” scandal (only to be reinstated a year later), it’s a bit surprising how much he doesn’t seem to care that cameras are on him during his grinding, explicative-laced tirades directed at several players.

    During this episode, however, he seems to try to frame it more as “tough love” moments, including a time when he capped off his outburst with a message like: “People that have enabled you your whole life, they’re disabling you for your future.”

    During the Rams-Kansas City exhibition game at the Coliseum, Williams is also seen going ballistic at linebacker Brandon Chubb for not acknowledging that he kept calling his name in the wireless helmet communication device. Afterward, Williams tells Chubb: “If I didn’t like you, I wouldn’t holler at you.”

    Maybe Chubb can offer Williams the T-shirt he wore during a scene where he was bowling, one with big letters reading “I NEED MY SPACE” with the NASA logo on it.

    • If the Rams do end up dropping rookie receiver Austin Hill, it definitely won’t please any of the viewers who have become attached to his young daughter, Rielyn. Not that it should matter. But it will.

    • Finally, there was more camera time for Mike Singletary, the Hall of Fame linebacker and former San Francisco 49ers head coach who is on Coach Jeff Fisher’s staff as a special assistant. Just having his presence and working specifically with fourth-year linebacker Alec Ogletree could be one full episode in itself.

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    Rams offensive lineman Greg Robinson is finally living up to his hype

    Vincent Bonsignore

    http://www.ocregister.com/articles/robinson-726812-game-rams.html

    IRVINE – The wrong way to explain the struggles of Greg Robinson over his first two years with the Rams was that he just didn’t care.

    Or that he cashed in a bonus check befitting the second overall pick in the 2014 draft and throttled down to kick-back mode.

    It might have seemed that way judging by his play on the field. The run blocking he was renowned for at Auburn didn’t consistently carry over to the NFL. The pass-blocking that scouts vowed would improve in a new system and under better coaching never fully materialized.

    And his performance reflected a player drafted much lower than second overall and a motor operating in second gear rather than full throttle.

    The complaints and criticisms and assessments are valid, and Robinson would be the first to admit.

    “I was acknowledged for a lot of big things I did in college, and I know I got off to not such a great start coming into the league,” Robinson said.

    But it would be a mistake to assume it was a personality and professional issue.

    Looking back, Robinson leaped head-first into an NFL game moving faster than he’d ever seen while opening a playbook as vast an anything he could imagine. Everything from the level of play to the elevated study demands were beyond what he’d ever experienced.

    Things were moving just a little too fast, and in retrospect responsibility was thrust on him a bit too soon. In an effort to just keep up, Robinson played rushed, hasty and unsettled rather than in tune, on time and with confidence.

    It didn’t help he was never quite healthy, which meant devoting almost as much focus on pain and recovery as he did his craft and on-field responsibilities.

    But he kept his mouth shut.

    Bad enough he wasn’t living up to the hype as the second pick overall.

    Making excuses would have just compounded the problem.

    He just went about his business the last seven months determined to change the narrative.

    And he arrived at Rams training camp healthy, in shape and more settled in with the playbook and his responsibilities then he’s ever been since leaving Auburn.

    His body now cooperating and his mind finally catching up to the incredible physical gifts, Robinson has been able to shift into full throttle in a way that’s allowed the game to slow down and his performance to elevate to it’s highest point yet.

    He approached this training camp understanding he was at a crossroads.

    Or, as he put it: “The biggest year of my career. It’s the one where I really have to focus and minimize my mistakes. It has to be the best year, and I don’t want to put pressure on myself because it’s really too early to put pressure on myself, but it’s a big year for me.”

    Three weeks later, and two preseason games in which he’s graded out as well as anyone on the roster, Robinson is reaping the rewards of the urgency he approached camp with and the comfort level he now has in his surroundings.

    “He came in urgent but he wasn’t frantic,” said Rams right tackle Roger Saffold, who will eventually slide back to guard to play alongside Robinson “He’s not trying to do too much, which is good. He’s being patient, which is good. He’s trying more and more to be a student of the game, which is great.”

    All of which is showing up on the field, as Robinson and the Rams offensive line have enjoyed a bit of a resurgence so far protecting Case Keenum and blowing open holes for Todd Gurley, Bennie Cunningham and Malcolm Brown.

    The big guy at left tackle has played a big role. In fact, after the Cowboys game Rams coach Jeff Fisher said Robinson graded out as well as he ever has since arriving in the NFL.

    “He was decisive – everybody has a mental error in a game, he may have one. He played hard, he finished blocks, his hands were good, his feet were good, he was consistent, his weight was down. He played well,” said Fisher. “As a matter of fact, that was one of the things that came out of our personnel meeting last night – that this may have been the best preseason game that Greg has played to date, which would imply that Greg’s getting better and he’s had a great offseason.”

    That’s a breath of fresh air for Robinson, who has dealt with an incredible amount of scrutiny and criticism the past two years. To finally see it all coming together is pleasing.

    “From last year, it’s been a 360 turn,” Robinson said.

    That comes with experience and maturation, of course. Draft status notwithstanding Robinson was thrust into the most important position along the offensive line probably sooner than he should have. And it’s difficult enough just settling in at left tackle as a young player, try doing it against the best pass rushers in the world on a week-to-week basis.

    No surprise, then, his head was swimming and his play suffered.

    But by throwing himself into the playbook this past offseason and continually working at his craft, he’s arrived almost a new man.

    Call it a rebirth or a new beginning, but Robinson is finally laying the ground work for a career the Rams were counting on upon drafting him.

    His teammates notice the change.

    “Right now, his biggest thing is continuing to grip down the offense as much as he can to make the game unfold as slow as it can for him,” Saffold said. “It think it’s almost surprising him, how much it’s slowed down already.”

    It helps that he’s healthy.

    Robinson spent most of last year dealing with a nagging foot injury, and it clearly affected his preparation, his play and the amount of attention he paid to his actual job.

    “Dealing with injuries is so tough, just to be in the game fully,” Robinson said. “You don’t know if you’re going to hurt it a little more, if you’re not 100 percent.

    Still, Robinson believes more maturity would have benefited him in terms of mentally setting the pain aside to focus better on the job at hand.

    “It really wasn’t as tough as I made it. I was dealing with a little pain and some guys can push through that but my injury was so critical and had so much to do with my position I just wasn’t able to physically do what the position demanded,” Robinson said. “I pushed through it but game in and game out I wasn’t always there mentally.

    The foot issue seems to be a thing of that past.

    And now confident in his game, the playbook and his body, Robinson has taken his game to another level. And if he can solidify left tackle, the narrative about a Rams offensive line that’s struggled for years might finally change.

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    Kubiak: Experience has ‘zero’ impact on QB battle

    http://www.theredzone.org/BlogDescription/tabid/61/EntryId/58197/Kubiak–Experience-has–zero–impact-on-QB-battle/Default.aspx

    Broncos coach Gary Kubiak hasn’t decided who will be the team’s starting quarterback for the regular-season opener Sept. 8 against the Carolina Panthers, nor has he decided what the depth chart at quarterback will look like overall, Jeff Legwold of ESPN.com reports.

    But Trevor Siemian, who will start Saturday’s preseason game against the Los Angeles Rams, would seem to have the inside track to start the opener. And now rookie Paxton Lynch just might be battling to jump Mark Sanchez on the depth chart as well.

    With roster cuts looming, Kubiak was asked after Thursday’s practice what impact it would have on the team’s decision-making to have two quarterbacks who have not started an NFL regular-season game.

    “Zero,” Kubiak said quickly. “I’m looking at what’s taken place the last six months: how they’ve handled themselves, how they’ve handled the team and how they respond to things. That’s what I’m looking at.”

    As of Thursday afternoon, Kubiak said he had not decided who would follow Siemian into the game against the Rams. Siemian did not throw in Tuesday’s practice because of a sore right shoulder, but he threw Wednesday and was a full participant Thursday.

    “I know who’s going first,” Kubiak said about the quarterback rotation. “No, I haven’t made a decision [about the No. 2].”

    Siemian is expected to play at least until halftime, and some of the Broncos starters will play into the third quarter. Asked whether he wanted the second quarterback into the game to play alongside some of the starters in the Broncos’ offense, Kubiak said:

    “Yeah, my biggest thing is, I’m going to take a look at how long I’m going to play the starters, and then it has to do with what I’m going to do with the other guys,” Kubiak said. “We’ll see. I’m conscious of Trevor for the last two days. Is he ready to play? Is he full load and go? It sure looks that way to me.”

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    Waldman on Prescott (mostly) and Goff … go to the 40 min mark on this link….

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    Gary Klein

    http://www.latimes.com/sports/rams/la-sp-rams-goff-20160825-snap-story.html

    Quick hits

    Gurley, who played one series against the Chiefs, is not expected to play much against the Broncos. “He’s getting a lot of great practice reps,” Fisher said. “When we kick off against the 49ers, his reps in the preseason are meaningless.”… Defensive end Robert Quinn will play for the first time since off-season back surgery. “A few snaps, hopefully, and break that ice,” he said. Quinn played in eight games in 2015. He was held out of the first exhibition and missed the second to watch his sister compete in the Olympics …. Rookie receivers Michael Thomas and Pharoh Cooper made several impressive catches… Thursday’s workout was the final open practice at UC Irvine.

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    Rams looking for top pick Jared Goff to take the ‘next step’ against the Denver Broncos

    Gary Klein

    http://www.latimes.com/sports/rams/la-sp-rams-goff-20160825-snap-story.html

    Jared Goff watched the Denver Broncos in the Super Bowl last February and got a long look at one of the best defenses in NFL history.

    At the time, Goff was in Orange County preparing for the draft. He did not know then that the Rams would trade up for the top pick, or that he would be facing Von Miller and Co. in the third exhibition of his young career.

    “I was probably just sitting down there enjoying it,” Goff said Thursday of the Broncos’ dominating victory over the Carolina Panthers.

    Goff will get a close-up look at the Broncos on Saturday night at Denver.

    The rookie quarterback said he was looking forward to the challenge.

    “It will be cool to go out there and run out there knowing they won the Super Bowl,” he said.

    Goff has completed 12 of 21 passes for 120 yards and a touchdown. He also had a pass intercepted and has fumbled twice.

    He played two series against the Dallas Cowboys, eight last week against the Kansas City Chiefs. His workload against the Broncos could fall somewhere in between if starter Case Keenum plays deeper into the first half as expected.

    Keenum played two series against the Chiefs, and Coach Jeff Fisher said Thursday that the veteran might play three or four against the Broncos.

    Goff has not yet demonstrated that he is ready to start the Sept. 12 season opener against the San Francisco 49ers.

    Saturday’s exhibition is perhaps his last real opportunity because starters traditionally are held out of final exhibitions to avoid injury. The Rams play the Minnesota Vikings on Sept. 1.

    Fisher said he was looking for Goff to take “that next step” against the Super Bowl champions.

    “Getting rid of the football, being decisive, making adjustments on the line of scrimmage — all those little subtle things,” Fisher said, adding that the Broncos will “create some situations that Jared is going to have to be decisive with to say the least.”

    Among Goff’s goals Saturday: eliminating the early mistakes that plagued the first series in each of his appearances. Both ended with turnovers.

    “I’d love to get out there and go down and score a touchdown — that’s what we’re supposed to do,” he said. “Come out and be ready to go and, hopefully, everyone else is and we can go down there and move the ball down the field.”

    Goff appeared to make progress during practices this week as he worked to eliminate hesitation. Cornerback Lamarcus Joyner intercepted a pass during a goal-line drill Thursday, but Goff otherwise performed fairly well.

    “Just understanding everything and just knowing where I want to go and when I want to go,” he said. “Making my decisions quicker, being faster with everything.”

    Goff said he got into a rhythm after his first two series against the Chiefs. He connected with running back Malcolm Brown for a touchdown.

    “I just want to build off what I was able to feel last game,” he said. “It started to feel much more like it has in the past.”

    Running back Todd Gurley played with Keenum in his only series in last week’s exhibition. He is not expected to be on the field against the Broncos when Goff gets his opportunity.

    But Gurley has worked with Goff when the rookie has taken reps with the first-team offense during practice.

    “He’s come a long way,” Gurley said, “He’s going to be good.”

    Asked if he would be disappointed if he did not start the season opener, Goff deflected the question.

    “It’s something I’d love to do but it’s not my decision,” he said. “That’s what they pay the coaches for.”

    He said he was “trying to get as ready as I can, as fast as I can, and whenever that is is up to them.”

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    Case Keenum will play a couple more series, then Jared Goff. Fisher said he hopes there will be some snaps left for Sean Mannion.

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    Myles Simmons

    http://www.therams.com/news-and-events/article-1/Practice-Report-825-Quinn-to-Make-Preseason-Debut-at-Denver/0b52cced-c602-4ff7-9a86-0ebcab314c60

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    — Fisher said generally, the Rams will add a series or two to what players did last week for playing time against Denver.

    “There may be a few guys that participate in somewhat fewer snaps, but for the most part, we want to push this thing well into the second quarter, and we’ll go from there,” Fisher said.

    Quinn, of course, would likely be an exception to that. And Todd Gurley could be as well, as Fisher said he hadn’t yet decided how he’d distribute reps for the running back.

    “I was really pleased with what he did last week — I really haven’t decided,” Fisher said. “He’s getting a lot of great practice reps. When we kick off against the 49ers, his reps in the preseason are meaningless.”

    The quarterbacks will go through a similar plan, although starter Case Keenum is slated to see more time on the field. Keenum has played two series in each of the first two preseason games, and that number may increase to three or four depending on how the game goes. Jared Goff will come in from there, and Fisher said he would like to get Sean Mannion time this week as well.

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    Why Trump And The White Supremacist Alt-Right Are Threats To Democratic Values — And Our National Security

    link – http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-creamer/why-trump-and-white-supre_b_11694846.html

    I recently returned from an international seminar where one of the scholars argued a point that is very important for every American to hear before November 8th.

    He said that democracies come in many different forms with various structures and systems. But authoritarian regimes all have four characteristics in common:

    Grievance-Driven Nationalism.
    The narrative that the majority of people have been victimized by enemies – foreign and domestic.
    The legitimation of conspiratorial thinking.
    The argument that only the one strong man can come to the people’s rescue.

    These things are true whether they describe the authoritarian regimes of history like Mussolini and Stalin, or those of the current period, like Kim Jong-un in North Korea, or Putin in Russia – both of which Donald Trump apparently admires.
    And those four characteristics practically define the Trump political message. Trump argues that he will make America “Great Again” — that he will address the legitimate grievances of those whose incomes have stagnated by throwing out the immigrants, the Muslims, the “others” that have made it so — none of which has anything whatsoever to do with the economic pain he alleges to address.

    Many Americans have seen what happens when a strong man blames the “other” for a nation’s sense of victimization. It always ends in tragedy, whether for the Jews of Europe or the Tutsis of Rwanda.

    Trump has no compunction creating and legitimating conspiracy theories such as his “birther” fantasy that President Obama was born in Kenya and is not the “legitimate” President.

    And Trump makes it clear every day that only he can fix the country’s problems — apparently through the force of his own will.

    The so-called Alt-Right Movement championed by Brietbart.com, whose CEO is now directing the Trump campaign, is the face of right-wing authoritarian nationalism in the United States.

    But it is critical to understand that Trump and his Alt-Right, white supremacist colleagues are not an isolated phenomenon. Right-wing nationalist parties are once again growing stronger and stronger in Europe as well. They too have fed upon the discontent spawned by wage stagnation and growing income inequality that — while not as severe as it is in the United States — has created fertile ground for the revival of grievance-based nationalist fervor. In Western Europe, their villains are the flood of immigrants from the Middle East that have fled the violence of the Syrian civil war, and workers emigrating to the West from Eastern Europe.

    In fact, the leader of the British right-wing nationalist party, Nigel Farage, spoke at Trump’s rally last night in Jackson, Mississippi.

    Of course, the right-wing nationalists of Europe ignore entirely the fact that the major cause of income stagnation is the fact that billionaires like Trump have taken an increasing share of their country’s economic output, just as they have in the United States.

    Incomes are not flat for most Americans because the economy as a whole has failed to grow. In fact, per-person gross domestic product in the United States has increased 48 percent over the last 30 years. America is wealthier per person today than at any other time in its history.

    Incomes are not flat because immigrants and poor people have taken money from the pockets of ordinary workers. Incomes are flat because billionaires like Donald Trump have siphoned off virtually every dime of that per-person economic growth and kept it for themselves.

    They have used their political influence to manipulate the tax system, and cut their own taxes so they often pay lower tax rates than their secretaries or janitors. One of the few Trump tax returns that is publicly available showed that in the early seventies he paid virtually no taxes.

    Now, he has steadfastly refused to disclose his more recent tax returns — either because they too would show how little he has paid, or because they would show he is not as wealthy as he claims, or because they would lay bare his deals with oligarchs and other unsavory business schemes — or all of the above.

    And Trump has made a tax proposal that would give himself even more tax breaks.

    A tiny fraction of wealthy Americans have siphoned off most of the increased income generated by our economy over the last three decades, and at the same time they have managed to avoid paying taxes on much of that increase. That has left most ordinary Americans with three bad options:

    Slash the quality of their schools, roads and other public services;
    Pay more in taxes out of stagnant incomes;
    Borrow money from the very wealthy people who have refused to pay their fair share to cover a deficit – and pay them interest for the privilege.
    This is not rocket science. If the increased economic growth had been equally distributed, we would all be 48 percent better off economically today than we were 30 years ago. But wages for most workers have remained stagnant. That growth went somewhere — and we know from the data where; it is no mystery. It did not go to immigrants. It did not go to the poor. It did not go to pay “lazy workers.” Virtually all of it went to the Donald Trumps of the world.

    Right-wing authoritarian narratives may not be supported by the facts — but they have a deep emotional appeal to ordinary people looking for someone to blame for their own economic frustration. And that makes those narratives very dangerous.

    Right-wing authoritarian nationalism ripped apart the world 75 years ago in the form of World War II. It once again poses a threat to democratic societies. If it is allowed to succeed, it will endanger the democratic institutions and values in the United States and Europe.

    Worse, if it is allowed to grow unchecked, authoritarian nationalism has one logical conclusion: violence and war.

    Just ask the people of Europe and East Asia — and the American Veterans of the “Greatest Generation” — how well the rise of authoritarian nationalism worked out in the 1930s and ‘40s. Ask the relatives of the literally millions who died.

    The Marshall Plan, the European Union and NATO were all created following World War II to prevent the nightmare recurrence of authoritarian nationalism in Europe. The EU and NATO have both begun to show the strains of pressure from resurgent right-wing nationalists’ forces. And most Europeans are terrified at the prospect that Trump might become President of the United States — destroy these critical institutions — and fan the flames of xenophobia.

    We can already see what fanning the flames of xenophobia can do. Several months ago David Petraeus, former U.S. Commander in Iraq and head of the CIA, wrote a piece in the Washington Post with the headline: “Anti-Muslim Bigotry Aids Islamic Terrorists.”

    The piece was explicitly aimed at Donald Trump.

    Experts on the Middle East and radical jihadist terrorism are virtually unanimous in their view that Donald Trump’s victory would be a bonanza for ISIS. In fact, ISIS is already using Trump’s pronouncements in its recruiting videos.

    The entire ISIS narrative — and its appeal to young Muslims — rests upon their argument that Islam is engaged in a massive historic struggle with the United States and the West. They argue that the U.S. is leading a great final “crusade” to take Muslim lands, Muslim oil, Muslim’s heritage — to destroy the Muslim religion.

    Donald Trump’s anti-Muslim rhetoric does more to legitimate that narrative than all of their clever social media work — all of their horrific violent videos — put together.

    Just as bad, Trump makes it infinitely more difficult for the United States to engage moderate Sunni Muslim countries to join with us in the battle against ISIS.

    And his rhetoric even plays into the hands of Iran’s hard-line Shias that are engaged in a struggle for power with the growing moderate Muslim and secular elements of Iranian society.

    The Shia religious and Republican Guard leadership in Iran completely despises ISIS and radical Sunni jihadists like Al Qaeda. To bolster their position they spin out conspiracy theories of their own — that ISIS is actually the creation of the United States that was organized to check Shia power and legitimate the presence of the United States in the Middle East.

    Then comes Trump, who actually says President Obama founded ISIS.

    In his recent “national security” speech, Trump claimed that the United States should have occupied Iraq’s oil fields — completely legitimating the Jihadist narrative that the United States wants to take Muslim resources.

    The logic of Trump’s rhetoric about ISIS — and for that matter his approach to Iran and his proposed abrogation of the agreement to prevent Iran from getting a nuclear weapon — will, if he is elected, inevitably lead to another major ground war in the Middle East.

    That is exactly what ISIS is praying for. They desperately want to draw the U.S. into that kind of conflict on the ground throughout the Middle East — a conflict that they believe will allow them to recruit thousands of young people and ultimately end in an apocalyptic defeat of the West.

    As Petraeus put it in his Washington Post article: “….those who flirt with hate speech against Muslims should realize they are playing directly into the hands of Al-Qaeda and the Islamic State.”

    Trump has become the leader of a right-wing, authoritarian nationalist movement that could be a grave danger to our own democratic institutions and to any hope we have for a more peaceful world.

    But we can stop him. Sound the alarm. Make sure your friends and neighbors understand that Trump is not just another conservative candidate. Donald Trump is dangerous. And the one thing that could allow him to succeed is complacency and low voter turnout in the most important election of our lifetimes.

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    AND YET EVEN MORE FOLLOW-UP

    Quick was an interesting draft day gamble cuz he does have great size, speed and jumps. However, he drops the ball in crucial moments and cannot be relied upon on 3rd down.

    After 4 yrs, it didn’t work out. Quick is not standing out at all. imo and we’re talking about a 4yr vet who’s been giiven every chance to grow and take it. It’s slipped thru his fingers and now rookies are at, the very least, his equal…which makes his salary a liability. I think he’s already gone. If he makes the team he’ll make some catches…and drop some when we need them the most. A rookie could do the same at 1/4 the cost. I say go young and draft for more next year….or sign a Vet WR.

    It happens sometimes with picks, especially with our 2nd rounders for the 1st few years Fisher/Snead got settled. In your mind, simply swap out the UDFA hits we have made and console yerself with the last two/three drafts and that might help. We’ve done pretty good in upgrading the team’s talent level.

    Whether thru draft or UDFA…the team is much better than in 2012. imo

    Personally, I think we are like the Pats in that we don’t really rely on that superman #1 WR type and get it done with a bunch of WRs and TEs. It’s okay with me…I just want the ball caught!!! Drops are absurd at this level of the game. imo

    I think the 2 young TEs(Higbee & Hemingway) allow them to do what they wanted to do for a few years on offense. The WRs we have will be fine for the deeper shots, but this offense just doesn’t feel like it’s an WR-centric offense… as in we don’t need that star #1 WR necessarily, to do what they want on offense. We just need them to not drop the ball!

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    Some more bits. The first is from the 8/23 camp reports, and I thought I would double down on it and put it here. The second is a Cosell podcast with a bit of his reaction to seeing Goff in the preseason.

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    BIT ONE

    SunTzu_vs_Camus

    from: http://theramshuddle.com/topic/camp-report-822/edit/

    Goff is getting faster and faster in learning but would make mistakes if he starts 1st game. I’d like to think they wait to week 3 or 4…before Goff starts. It’s not a bad thing cuz you can see the passing talent…it flashes and stands out. Once Goff gets the offense under his skin….freakin LOOKOUT…he’s a dart thrower!! And he likes to throw downfield – which I delight in!! He’s gonna be murder with TEs runnin seam patterns against Cover 2 defenses…lordy! (Mannion nailed those also to Higbee or Hemingway!) When Goff holds the ball an extra beat…it’s confusion…he’s still learning…but he’s coming along and works the huddle just fine.

    at the 8/22 practice I went to I didn’t think Goff was skittish at all. Even when Goff looked bad in the PS series where he fumbled, was sacked, etc The kid is resilient and that comes across. he’ll make his mistakes, but Goff is coming on. Once he knows where he’s going with the ball…there’s no other QB on our team that throws like he does. imo

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    BIT TWO

    Cosell on the rookie qbs including a bit on Goff. They discuss Goff starting at 12:25 in. They start with Goff, drop him for a sec, and come back to him. It’s brief.

    Go to the link and scroll down, it’s the first podcast on the page.

    Link: http://www.rosstucker.com/podcasts/ross-tucker-football-podcast/

    Pic of the page:

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    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/south-africa-great-white-sharks-may-be-headed-for-extinction/

    If god intended south african sharks to survive, he wouldn’t have invented humans.

    Heck if god intended humans to survive, he wouldn’t have…

    nevermind.

    .

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    zn note: Note: there are a few excellent collections out there of posters’s pics from camp visits but I tend not to collect those, just ones that are mostly if not entirely commentary. HOWEVER, to make up for not copying the mostly photo reports, I follow this post with another—the guide to camp reports on the RamsFansUnited site. See especially the posts by Elvis.

    Elvis

    Here you’ll find links to every camp report on this site organized by day, from most recent to oldest.

    If you have a report Create a new topic and post your report and i’ll add it here. If you’ve posted a report and it’s not here, let me know…

    Tuesday August 23rd:

    Elvis Goes to Camp 08-23-16: http://www.ramsfansunited.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3185

    Thursday August 18th:

    Extensive Ram Camp Report from 8/18/2016 – Pics added! http://www.ramsfansunited.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3134

    Notes from camp last week by phoenixrising: http://www.ramsfansunited.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3174

    Wednesday August 17th:

    Camp report from Wednesday August 17th…. by LA Champ: http://www.ramsfansunited.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3122

    Elvis Goes to Camp 08-18-16: http://www.ramsfansunited.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3119

    Monday August 16th:

    bubbaramfan’s 8/16 TC Report: http://www.ramsfansunited.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3111

    Thursday August 11th:

    Rams Camp 8/11/2016 by Ramzee: http://ramsfansunited.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3076

    Tuesday August 9th:

    Ramzee’s Camp Report 8/9/16: http://www.ramsfansunited.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3033

    Hacksaw_64’s notes from camp 8/9: http://www.ramsfansunited.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3026

    Elvis Goes to Camp 8-9-16: http://www.ramsfansunited.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3018

    Saturday August 6th, Family Day:

    Training Camp (Family Day) Report 8/6/16 by RamFan1971: http://www.ramsfansunited.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2989

    Elvis Goes to Family Day: http://www.ramsfansunited.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2988

    ramsman34’s Camp Report – LA Coliseum – 8/6: http://www.ramsfansunited.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2994

    Wednesday August 3rd:

    Quick Wednesday Camp Report by Ramzee: http://www.ramsfansunited.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2971

    Tuesday August 2nd:

    Elvis Goes to Camp: http://www.ramsfansunited.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2937

    Training Camp Day 4 Four by Ramsfan1971: http://www.ramsfansunited.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&p=40120#p40120

    Ramzee’s Rams Camp Pics and Commentary – August 2nd : http://www.ramsfansunited.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2948

    ramsman34’s camp report Tuesday 8/2/16: http://www.ramsfansunited.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2956

    Hacksaw_64’s notes from camp 8/2: http://www.ramsfansunited.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2973

    8/2 Camp Pics…. by LARams_1963: http://www.ramsfansunited.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2987

    Sunday July 31st:

    Elvis Goes to Camp: http://www.ramsfansunited.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2911

    Training Camp Day Two by Ramsfan1971: http://www.ramsfansunited.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2909

    Hacksaw_64’s notes from camp 7-31 : http://www.ramsfansunited.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2921

    ramsman34/s – notes from training camp 7/30 & 7/3131: http://www.ramsfansunited.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2928

    Saturday July 30th:

    Elvis Goes to Camp: http://www.ramsfansunited.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2899

    Training Camp Day One by Ramsfan1971: http://www.ramsfansunited.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2900%5B/quote%5D

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    Heavin explained that the Nephilim still roam the earth today and are actually demons,

    It is my understanding that this is why Mike Martz can’t get a job.

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    EVEN MORE FOLLOW-UP

    Donald came in on off the corner of the blindside of Keenum and was on him before he set his back foot.
    Donald did this twice in in a matter of 5 plays in what would have been a blistering hit on the blindside.
    I looked at Alyo and said, “helluva twist with Quinn, huh!?!”….
    Alyo said, “that was no stunt..that was straight up from the DE spot.
    ..and sure enough, ADonald was at RDE…and Quinn was inside at RDT.

    Donald may be an even faster DE than Quinn!!! Not really, but in a different method. It was just stunning to see Donald – who looks short/squatty…suddenly explode with speed and glorious technique from wherever he is lined up.

    GW has some real twist/stunt tricks up his sleeve…we have a fun gambling defense. We’ll get gashed sometimes, but man, I feel that we have some real aggressive hitters with our LBs & Safetys…and CBs are good tacklers too.

    It’s gonna be fun!

    ***

    I think they will be TE heavy cuz that’s what our offense looks like to me. Which is fine now that we have Higbee & Kendricks. imo. Hemingway who has really come on in the last month. imo

    Hemingway looks like a large WR and often lines up in the slot…but has good hands. Higbee has good hands and kendricks has reliable hands. The cool thing is having a TE based passing attack is that a defense doesn’t know if it’ll be a run or a pass….
    cuz with a simple shift we could have 2 or 3 TEs on the field and then flew them out wide or audible inline to be blockers. Remember, the play is one ot two options: run or pass. The best thing an offense can do is keep the defense wondering til the very last second. In a game of inches that is where an offense gets it’s “inches or feet”….misdirection or illusion.

    As for the WRs? I think Duke and Britt will be the outside guys with TA and Cooper adding speed to 4 WR looks.

    I’ll try and get to today’s practice since it’s the last open one

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    bump, seeing if I can get more to chime in

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    ‘Tempers flare’ at Rams camp; Todd Gurley involved

    Alden Gonzalez

    http://www.espn.com/blog/st-louis-rams/post/_/id/30308/tempers-flare-at-rams-camp-todd-gurley-involved

    IRVINE, Calif. — Todd Gurley, the man who is not even supposed to be tackled, ended up near the bottom of a pile during Los Angeles Rams practice Wednesday afternoon, the result of a scuffle that also involved fellow running back Benny Cunningham, middle linebacker Alec Ogletree and several other Rams players.

    The incident exasperated Rams coach Jeff Fisher, who halted practice and forced his players to assemble in a stretching circle before resuming.

    “Shows you what kind of competitor he is,” Rams coach Jeff Fisher said of star running back Todd Gurley’s involvement in Wednesday’s practice scuffle.
    Fisher said he’s “not concerned about those things carrying over into the games” and called it “a good learning experience for us.”

    “They got a little testy,” Fisher said, “so I gave them a timeout.”

    During Tuesday’s airing of “Hard Knocks,” the HBO series that follows the Rams through training camp, Fisher was seen telling coaches that the defensive players need to treat Gurley “like a freaking quarterback.”

    “Gurley doesn’t need to f—ing be hit in the 9-on-7 [drill], OK?” Fisher said during the show. “I don’t want ’30’ tackled. We need ’30.'”

    But a few plays after Cunningham and Ogletree got into it Wednesday, Gurley and his No. 30 jersey were right in the middle of a mini-scuffle, at one point falling to the ground with several players hovering over him, then slamming his helmet as he walked away, according to onlookers.

    “That was his choice, OK?” Fisher said of Gurley being near the bottom of the pile. “We all need to be smarter than that, but that was his choice. Shows you what kind of competitor he is.”

    Ogletree is transitioning to middle linebacker this season, and the “Hard Knocks” cameras showed him expressing frustration Saturday because the defense gave up an opening-drive touchdown for a second consecutive game.

    Ogletree didn’t want to get into what sparked Wednesday’s physical exchange.

    “It was just competing, man,” Ogletree said. “Tempers flare, you know. Things like that are going to happen. [Fisher] cooled us down, everybody got back together. We settled our issues and went on with practice, finished out the day. … We’re all still brothers and teammates, and we definitely look out for one another. We’re going to put that behind us and keep working.”

    The Rams play their third and most important preseason game Saturday, when they travel to Denver to face the reigning Super Bowl champion Broncos at 6 p.m. PT. Starters will see their most snaps that night, then basically rest up during the fourth preseason game, which takes place Sept. 1. Wednesday represented the last time the Rams would compete against one another in pads before the start of the regular season, which Fisher believes might have heightened the emotion.

    Ogletree was asked if fights like these are good or bad.

    “It’s kind of both,” he said. “It’s a good thing because it definitely brings the energy up; guys are competing a little harder. A bad thing in the sense that you don’t want guys out there fighting because you’re risking injury, somebody getting hurt. Coach did a good job of cooling us off and getting everybody back to our senses.”

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    Practice Report 8/24: Setting the Tone

    Myles Simmons

    http://www.therams.com/news-and-events/article-1/Practice-Report-824-Setting-the-Tone/b1e077f3-3f42-4a19-8845-f9c3e78bffbc

    If you’ve been keeping up with HBO’s Hard Knocks this season, you likely know how much can be gleaned about the team from the hour-long episodes. Whether it’s seeing players in the meeting room, coaches going over logistics, or sideline footage on gameday — there’s clearly a lot that goes on over the course of a week in training camp.

    One standout scene from Tuesday’s episode came from the second preseason game against Kansas City. After the first defensive series, middle linebacker Alec Ogletree was demostrably upset the first unit had surrendered a touchdown to begin the game. So much so, that defensive end Robert Quinn — who was not playing — was shown calming down the Georgia product on the sideline.

    The scene came up with Ogletree on Wednesday afternoon after the linebacker had been asked about what he would like to improve defensively against Denver.

    “If we go on defense first, we need to go three-and-out and come off the field. No touchdowns allowed,” Ogletree said, essentially repeating exactly what he’d said on the sideline with Quinn. “Really, no first downs. But we can definitely eliminate touchdowns and giving up points on the first drive — that would definitely be great to see.”

    Ogletree said he hadn’t seen the aforementioned scene from Hard Knocks, but it’s clear why that goal remains front of mind. Getting a quick defensive stand to start the game is all about setting the tone.

    “It kind of sends a message to the other team that they’re going to have a long day,” Ogletree said. “And that’s definitely what we take pride in doing — just making it tough for anybody that shows up to play against us.”

    Head coach Jeff Fisher has been critical of the lopsided time of possession the Rams had against the Chiefs last Saturday. Kansas City had the ball for 36:30 to Los Angeles’ 23:30. Plus, L.A. was down 20-14 at halftime. All of that informs Fisher’s goals for the defense against the Broncos.

    “I’d like to see the defense get off the field,” Fisher said. “And I’d prefer not to give up a whole lot of points in the first half with the starting defense.”

    According to defensive end Will Hayes, the Rams can get there by playing more technically sound and disciplined.

    “Continue to do what we’re doing and just get better,” Hayes said. “Just don’t let there be a drop off from last week. Just want to get better as a team and as a defense as a whole than we were last week.”

    EXTRA POINTS

    — With training camp winding down, Wednesday was essentially the last day the Rams would have to compete ones-versus-ones with pads on. As Fisher put it, both sides had something to prove. But unfortunately, good physicality turned into testiness in a seven-on-seven period and Fisher actually halted practice to give everyone a chance to cool off before getting back to work.

    “We had some things we want to accomplish, and got the first period. The first drill was really good. And then we got into the second period, they got a little testy so we gave them a timeout — go sit in the corner, go to your room, take a little time out,” Fisher said. “So we cooled off and we got a lot done.”

    “You don’t like to see this happen,” Fisher continued. “I’m not concerned about this carrying over to the games. It was a good learning experience for us, they’re competing, 1s against 1s, we had some good work. At this point, we move on.”

    “Coach did a good job of cooling us off and getting everybody back to practicing,” Ogletree said. “It’s training camp — stuff like that is going to happen. But we’re all still brothers and teammates and we definitely look out for one another. So we’re going to put that behind us and keep working.”

    — While right tackle Rob Havenstein is still on the PUP list, he appears to be closer to returning.

    “He’s making progress,” Fisher said. “We’re going to take him with us [to Denver], going to give him a good workout — good pregame workout, things like that. We’ll see how he is. We’ll see how he does next week. That’s all I can say right now.”

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    Now this is important to understand. I have followed this team through the highs and the lows. The move from LA (Anaheim) to St. Louis didn’t deter me. I have watched this team every year and hoping that this is the year. 1999 was magical, we all know that.

    I can’t put my finger on it but this team is different. They are going places. Whether it is the play calling of Boras, the route running of the receivers, the line blocking of the offense. Something is different and in a good way. To add to this, the intensity level was cranked way up. The players were showing what they could bring to the table. It made for an enjoyable practice.

    On to the camp report. The usual warm ups took place. Special teams kick off and returns. Defense was on the far field so I didn’t see much of what was going on over there.

    Battle and Havenstein were dressed but did individual drills on the sidelines. Kenny Britt didn’t participate in the practice but was on the field helping out. Never saw #3 WR North. Quinn was dressed but didn’t participate in any contact drills.

    During 7 on 7, Goff went through his progressions but in four passes, he went to Higbee three times and Quick once. Quick dropped a sure catch, hit him in the hands and it would have been a TD. Higbee caught one about 3 yards’ shy of the end zone along the sideline, made a spin move and fought his way in for the TD. Nice move. Two takeaways from the 7 on 7. Goff went through his progressions and chose the safe outlet, Higbee. Modest gains in yards but they add up. The corners were covering well. That would be Tru J. and EJ. It was no picnic for the WRs.

    Keenum looked good during 7 on 7 as did Mannion although Mannion was not as crisp. Did well but didn’t make you go WOW. Hemmingway caught a TD from Keenum that looked real good. Good route, good patience from Case to wait for the open man. If I remember correctly, Hemmingway was lined up in the slot on that play.

    The real fun started when Goff started the 11 on 11 session with the 1st string. He was a different QB from what we have seen so far. He got the play call through the headset in the huddle, called the play, every skill position player lined up correctly (no last second changes from Goff) and executed the count. My point is he showed a command of the huddle, an understanding of the play called and his teammates responded like pro-football players should. The O line provided good protection and I didn’t see anyone getting close to the QB for a sack.

    There were the obligatory hand offs to Gurley that went smooth as silk. Goff was showing a good fake after the hand-off too. The D line and linebackers did their part too. Run players were pretty much a stalemate. Then the passes started.

    We all know Goff has a quick release. He demonstrated that a plenty Tuesday. One of his most impressive throws was a streaking Lance Kendricks going up the left sideline, made some sort of move to create separation from an unknown defender, had a two-step cushion and Goff throws a pass like he did to Cooper in the Dallas game. A frozen rope, a line drive. Hit Kendricks in stride, right in the hands and Lance trots in for the TD. This was a 30-40 yard throw in the air. Most QB’s tend to arc the ball up high and let it fall into the receivers’ hands. Not Goff. His type of throw does not allow a safety to react and have a chance for a pass breakup. It was beautiful and the crowd responded with claps and cheers.

    Other throws were right on the money. Higbee caught a pass at the right sideline then spun towards the inside of the field freeing himself from a sure tackle or knocked out of bounds then fought his way into the end zone.

    T. Magee took a screen pass out of the backfield and gained some good yards. Can’t wait to see Gurley do that. By the way, Gurley was used sparingly.

    Case Keenum came in with the second team for his turn during the 11 on 11. It was not all that good for him. First he did a simple handoff to the running back Brown but either Brown didn’t take the right angle or Case stepped too far out and they had a mild collision. No fumble but Brown was stopped at the line. Is this a case of a new QB playing for the first time with this unit? Maybe. But Case had difficulties connecting with his receivers. On a deep post route to the end zone, a fast moving David Richards #12 was open but the ball was horribly overthrown.

    Hemmingway looks like a keeper. Could be used in a WR role and not so much shoe horned in at TE. Higbee is ripped and has great hands. Didn’t see if he had blocking assignments but he sure knows how to get open and catches the ball. Missed seeing Spruce, still in a knee brace. Cory Harkey is very good at blocking and can catch although he was only targeted I think once during 7 on 7 and once more on 11 on 11. The other receivers did well with the exception of Quick.

    Quick dropped a sure TD that square in his hands in the end zone. He was covered tightly but the ball was perfect. Goff threw it. On another play I think it was Mannion throwing, Quick catches one going up the seam and scores a TD. Now this was with the second team defense and offense. There was a break in the action and Quick was on the near sideline talking with Britt and one of the coaches I couldn’t recognized. He was visibly upset with something. I walked down to the fence to try and hear what was being said but I couldn’t make it out. Quick was on one knee at times then would get up and pace around Britt and the coach then back to the knee. It appeared that Britt and coach were trying to lighten things up with smiles, jokes of sorts and such. Quick never smiled. He knows the pressure is on.

    In summary, Goff looked totally different than in the past. Keenum struggled at times as did Mannion. It was Goff’s team that day and he made the best of it. If you saw Coach Fishers presser after that practice you could tell he was very pleased with Goff.

    As you can tell, I’m all about the offense in this report. I felt we know what we have in our DB’s now that Gaines is back. We know our front four are set, OH! By the way, Easley is a great addition to the D line. Expect great things from him. He is very quick off the ball. Linebackers will take some work, learning to play with each other but I’m not worried.

    I cannot wait for Saturday against Denver and I want to see Goff start the game. I think you all will be pleasantly surprised with his improvement.

    Take care my Rams Brothers!

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    SOME MORE FOLLOW-UP

    Mannion has been a good example of how a player grows in his 2nd year. He doesn’t move around alot, but is nimble in a short area and slides/steps up, slides a half step and micro-adjusts in the pocket 2nd best to Goff.

    Keenum is the least physically able QB to me, compared to Goff & now Mannion…. however, Keenum is very sharp and knows where to go with the football and that’s where his success is. imo We CAN win with Keenum and he made very solid throws into tight coverage.

    Goff is getting faster and faster in learning but would make mistakes if he starts 1st game. I’d like to think they wait to week 3 or 4…before Goff starts. It’s not a bad thing cuz you can see the passing talent…it flashes and stands out. Once Goff gets the offense under his skin….freakin LOOKOUT…he’s a dart thrower!! And he likes to throw downfield – which I delight in!! He’s gonna be murder with TEs runnin seam patterns against Cover 2 defenses…lordy! (Mannion nailed those also to Higbee or Hemingway!) When Goff holds the ball an extra beat…it’s confusion…he’s still learning…but he’s coming along and works the huddle just fine.

    at the 8/22 practice I went to I didn’t think Goff was skittish at all. Even when Goff looked bad in the PS series where he fumbled, was sacked, etc The kid is resilient and that comes across. he’ll make his mistakes, but Goff is coming on. Once he knows where he’s going with the ball…there’s no other QB on our team that throws like he does. imo

    Mannion is the biggest surprise. I thought he was 2nd best QB after Goff and I’m glad I was wrong about him. We have 3 good QBs and 2 with real upside!!

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    Duke & McRoberts are interesting to me cuz they have very sure, vice-like hands when they catch. They are strong to the ball….which as an old/ex QB I value greatly!

    Spruce and Higbee have the same style of catching – Hemingway was a revelation in the practice we saw…he got a ton of targets and caught all of them downfield(nothing shorter than 12yds. iirc)

    The locks from our returning WRs are Britt and TA…without a doubt. imo

    TA has adopted Britt’s vocal style and it’s great to see his leadership along with Britt…always pushing the WRs to do better. I liked that.

    Cooper is okay, but doesn’t stand out to me. Thomas and Quick drop balls for every catch they make. I don’t like that and I think it’s getting to them….both. They will start to press and then things usually get worse. I sure hope the coaches calm them down, but I understand the nerves for Thomas…but not Quick (and I’m one of his biggest advocates for years). But, Quick is bringing nothing these 1st year rooks aren’t bringing…so, I’m ready to move on I’m sorry to say.

    As for the LBs….Honestly, Tree and Barron are true forces. imo. GW knows how to use these guys and is not doing what our LBs do in PS games so far.

    Our Front 7 look very vanilla in PS games and we all know GW does waaay more exotic blitzing which can be maddening but also very effective in getting good match-ups for our defense.

    Ayers was surprising in his coverage at 260lbs, he’s not an All-Pro..I’m just saying he moves really well and was effective downfield. Littleton and Lynch were very active in pass coverage – which I like greatly.

    As I said, these practices are for gauging passing and covering…that can be judged reasonably. imo

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    Broncos name Trevor Siemian starting QB vs. Rams

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000688997/article/trevor-siemian-to-start-broncos-vs-rams

    While the Denver Broncos’ quarterback competition isn’t technically over, a major advantage was lent to Trevor Siemian.

    Coach Gary Kubiak announced Monday that Siemian will start the team’s third preseason game against the Los Angeles Rams in Denver. Siemian completed 10 of 14 passes for 75 yards and a pick six last week against the San Francisco 49ers. It was his first start of the preseason.

    Kubiak added Siemian has a sore shoulder but likely will return to practice Tuesday.

    While Mark Sanchez might be able to recover at some point during the season, Kubiak’s announcement puts more faith in the second-year quarterback out of Northwestern. The seventh-round pick already had a year in Kubiak’s system and was pegged as a surprise candidate all along to upend the more experienced Sanchez and first-round pick, Paxton Lynch.

    Why is the third preseason game crucial? Typically teams use the third game as their most realistic dress rehearsal during the four-game warmup series. Siemian should easily get his most playing time of the preseason and will get to game plan for his opponent — something teams rarely do during the first or second preseason game. The planning can have a massive impact on a quarterback’s performance and negate some of the assignment errors that often populate the preseason.

    The ball seemed to be in Sanchez’s court after Siemian ended his playing time against the 49ers with a pick-six. Sanchez, however, lost two fumbles before the half and couldn’t find a rhythm to start the third quarter. Once the Broncos did not secure a deal with Colin Kaepernick this offseason — or venture too deeply into the waters for Sam Bradford — Sanchez was widely believed to be the starter by default.

    A sound performance by Siemian could close the book on that question for now.

    In other Broncos news…

    » As we wrote Sunday, DeMarcus Ware (back) is set to hit the practice field. The team officially removed him from the non-football injury list Monday and he will be on the practice field Tuesday.

    » Cornerback Aqib Talib will play in the team’s third preseason game. This should mark the cornerback’s long return from an offseason gunshot wound to his leg. Talib returned to practice two weeks ago.

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    Was listening to the news and learnt that the medicine in the pen costs $1. The only thing unique about the pen is the technology to deliver the dose. Yet that technology was developed by the US government in 1977 and given to the company.

    Now the drastic increase in price of the pen in recent years coincides with the changing of the law which now requires schools to stock the pen and the increase in the company’s CEO’s salary from $2.7 million per year to $19 million per year.

    Good find.

    Thanks.

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    I was sitting next to Alyo and we reality checked every play. We see things a bit differently sometimes, but this practice I agreed with a lot/most of his post [zn note: see above].

    First off I really only watched the QBs & WRs mostly…along with the LBs/DBs covering…..
    cuz without pads/hitting all it can truly ever really be is flag football with 7-7 and even when 11 vs 11. So I was watching the QBs intently…looking for any minutiae to help me get a true feel to as how I think they will perform…same with the WRs. Same with DBs and LBs in coverage.

    So, with that said, the things that CAN be simulated best are the passing/timing & coverage drills.
    IMO, those drills are good representations of how players play. Any OL/DL stuff without full pads and tackling to the ground is just a walkthrough. imo

    1) QBs –
    Keenum – He knows where to go with the ball and that’s re-assuring, but his throws beyond 15yds linger in the air for a disconcerting amount of time. He hit Britt on a 50yder…the same throw as last weeks game(where he under-threw the ball and drew PI)…cept he hit him in stride this time. As many folks have said, CK knows where to go with the ball and that’s what makes him effective. To me, the playcalling makes Keenum’s game easier. He’s not a natural talent but that’s just my own peeve about guys. Rivers is an ugly thrower and a great QB…so it’s just taste.

    Mannion is a larger slower footed guy but very coordinated and got much stronger than he was in college. He has a strange motion too but throws a nice tight spiral and knows where to go with the ball. He’s our 2nd string if Keenum leaves and he hasn’t made silly mistakes which makes me think he can be our CKeenum for the next few years with more arm strength and accuracy for medium range throws. He impressed me a bit more than I thought.

    Goff – A natural passer and needle threader! He’s a relaxed dude and it shows. He is still learning where to go with the ball…but when he sticks his foot at the top of his drop and let’s it go…it’s a completion.

    btw –
    That’s a good little thing to remember about QBs and the play called….you can test this when you watch games. When the QB hits the top of his drop and the ball comes right out….he’s seeing the field/making the right choice/or the play called was aces and the WR/TE/HB is open. The problem comes when a QB hits the back foot and it doesn’t come out.
    NOTE: Gather steps when stepping up in the pocket from sticking yer back foot are not a sign the timing is off or missed…that’s normal. But if if it’s held a beat longer…that’s what separates the good QBs from journeymen. imo

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    2) WRs –
    Britt – Played big & strong and caught everything near him.
    TA – Didn’t do much besides a few bubble screens and sat out doing tennis ball drills.
    Duke – Very interesting player. Duke is large and fast…and gets his nose into action
    McRoberts – Good hands catcher and strong to the ball in what I saw from him.
    Cooper – Solid but spectacular in his route running or quickness. imo

    Thomas –
    Quick –

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    3) TEs –
    Kendricks – He’s solid as nearly always. Not flashy but gets er done. As zn has posted, Kendricks is the best balanced of all the TEs which makes him a weapon as he is unpredictable.
    Higbee – caught everything thrown his way and had the Catch of the Day at the goalline getting clocked by Tree across the middle but holding onto the ball about a 1yd into the EZ. Tree hit him hard!….and Higbee went down hard in clump…but didn’t let go of the ball! TD!!!
    Hemingway – Was targeted alot and caught everything – in fact, he appeared to be targeted more than any receiver and caught all the throws his way. Impressed me as a Rec TE. btw – I didn’t like his college tape and thot he looked slow( I didn’t like LB Forrest’s tape for the same reason but they are both playin faster! Who knew?! 😉

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    Some real quick observations of coverage.

    LBs –
    Ayers – I was very impressed with Ayers as he was 30yds downfield on 3-5 occasions covering the TE and was step for step and even had a tip away in the EZ during the RZ drills.

    Littleton was very good in coverage also with 2 tipped balls. The passes were good, Littleton just made good plays ion the ball – which is good cuz many LBs just cover the guy and have no ball awareness…..I hate those guys!!! 😉

    CBs –
    Hill looked real nice in coverage…quick feet and got his nose in there. Hill looked good in last week’s game too.
    Tru had a great tipped ball where he jumped the route and just slapped the ball down as if you were blocking a basketball shot of a 4yr old. He’s just very long and levered. (is that even a word?! lol)

    FS –
    TJ made some good closing plays on balls and looked better than I thought in coverage…very fluid and decently fast when closing.
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    Anyway, I’m tired and will stop as my mind has gone blank now! lol
    I know practice info is not as sexy now that PS games have started and we can all see for ourselves.

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