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  • in reply to: the Kaepernick controversy #51893
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    I totally disagree. I think it does help things, and will contribute to the much-needed
    discussion in a positive way.

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    Hate to be skeptical. But, if there is a lot of evidence of that, I would be happy to see it.

    Lefties putting out blog stuff about the anthem’s lyrics won’t cover that, in my mind. That’s just the same pre-ordained percentage talking to itself again.

    in reply to: Havenstein hasn’t been ruled out for Thurs #51890
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    i read around that some people are worried after the denver game, but that is a helluva defense. not too many times they go against a defense like that.

    That makes no sense to me, that people would worry about that.

    When the Rams 1s on offense were in against the Denver 1s on defense, they were winning the field position war and scored on them in the 1st quarter.

    They ran on them in spite of how tough that was, and Keeneum was 8 of 12 in spite of how tough THAT was.

    There was some pressure on Keenum but he also completed some nice passes.

    in reply to: Havenstein hasn’t been ruled out for Thurs #51886
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    Practice Report 8/29: Havenstein Returns to Practice

    Myles Simmons

    http://www.therams.com/news-and-events/article-1/Practice-Report-829-Havenstein-Returns-to-Practice/485cd731-7ffc-40db-b2e7-d0cf100870cb

    Training camp and the preseason are winding down, but at long last, Monday marked the first practice for one of the Rams’ starting offensive linemen.

    Right tackle Rob Havenstein was taken off the Physically Unable to Perform list on Friday, and went through pregame warm-ups with his teammates prior to Saturday’s contest in Denver. Now he’s officially returned to the practice field, ready to put his foot injury behind him.

    “It felt good — good to go out there and get a little sweat, play some real football,” Havenstein said. “Got to get out there with the guys. It gets pretty lonely over there watching. So it was definitely good to be back.”

    “We got him out there, he had a couple reps in each period,” head coach Jeff Fisher said. “Better than me seeing him out there, it was better for him getting out there for the first time.”

    While sitting out can be tough on an individual accustomed to participating, Havenstein appeared to be even-keel about it all.

    “I mean, the only thing that changes is that you’re not wearing shoulder pads when you come out to practice,” Havenstein said.

    The Wisconsin product said he has been staying as active as possible in the meeting room, and in the weight room with head strength and conditioning coach Rock Gullickson.

    “You can attack the weight room probably a little harder just because you’re not getting the stress of practice,” Havenstein said. “So I got with Rock and his staff and definitely tried to make some gains there.

    “But anything else, meetings, are very similar — go in taking notes for the right tackle position,” Havenstein continued. “And if I can help out any way with guys asking questions, try to give them an answer that’s not [totally made up].”

    With any player coming back from injury, there’s always a balance to strike between wanting to get back as soon as possible and making sure there’s no undue stress to cause a setback. Havenstein said he feels good about the way that process has gone.

    “I think we had a pretty good plan with our medical staff. Between the communication between me and the coaches and the medical staff, obviously we want what’s best for me,” Havenstein said. “We don’t want to go out there and jeopardize something or be too cautious and miss time that I didn’t need to miss, or anything like that.”

    The next step for Havenstein is to shake some of the cobwebs off before the regular season begins. He said he felt a bit rusty at times during Monday’s session — understandable given how long it’s been since he’s taken live reps.

    “There’s obviously some technique things I need to clean up,” Havenstein said. “As I was especially taking pass sets I was kind of thinking to myself, ‘Ahh, this is a bad position to be in.’ But it just kind of comes with shaking the rust off. And I’m looking forward to getting as many reps as possible within the rules we kind of set for me.”

    While it appears unlikely, there’s a chance Havenstein could get some playing time against Minnesota on Thursday.

    “We’ll see how he does over the next couple of days,” Fisher said. “I haven’t ruled him out for the game.”

    Whether he does or not, Havenstein’s goal at this point is to get better every day with an eye toward being healthy in the regular season.

    “All I’m looking forward to is tomorrow — putting in a good practice out there,” Havenstein said. “We’re going to take it one day at a time. I’ve got to be open with everyone with how I’m feeling and everything like that. So it just goes on to keeping the good line of communication open.”

    in reply to: The "Robinson watch" thread… starting with Dallas #51881
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    GRob watch vs the Broncos

    http://www.turfshowtimes.com/2016/8/29/12691006/grob-watch-vs-the-broncos

    So, GRob has started the preseason pretty strong. He has shown improved footwork, hands and body position against the Cowboys and Chiefs but the Broncos represented a step up in quality.

    Looking at the play by play, it is clear that the Bronco’s were a big step up as this game did not go all GRob’s way.

    NB: the Broncos lined up entirely in their 3-4 base.

    1st Drive.

    1st & 10. Pass

    Matches up one-on-one with the OLB (Shane Ray). GRob lines up in a two point stance. GRob is up off the snap and although his feet are not that fluid he gets squared up with Ray. Body position and hand position is good. The ball is out fast and Ray goes nowhere.

    2nd & 9. Run

    Doubles the DE inside with Wichmann. Get a good shove on but play is dead behind them as Barnes failed to move the NT and allowed the NT to make the stop.

    3rd & 4. Pass

    Ray bull rushes. GRob gives up a few steps as Ray has gotten under him. GRob manages to reset and get control with about 4 yards to spare.

    NB: Keenum is sacked. Saffold is beaten by a hand swipe from Miller and Wichmann is beaten by a spin move from the DE. The Bronco’s pass rush is for real.

    2nd drive.

    1st & 10. Run

    Doubles the DE with Wichmann. Initially they shove the DE inside but Wichmann allows the DE to slide of his right hand side. GRob has continued to try and drive and ends up the wrong side as the DE slips Wichmann, which allows the ILB to come behind GRob and make the stop with the DE.

    2nd & 10. Pass

    GRob is out quick and slides to block Ray. Hands are not into position quickly and this allows Ray to get both hands in to GRob’s chest and Ray makes a few yards. GRob is still in it though and takes a small jump and pulls Ray off balance slightly and slows him further by trying to push him down. The pass was out safely but Ray ended up a little close to Keenum for comfort.

    1st & 10. Run

    Doubles the DE with Wichmann. GRob is fast off the snap and drives the DE on to his left leg & momentarily looks like the DE will go down but the DE gets his base back and keeps his feet under him. He is no impact on the play though.

    2nd & 5. screen

    Broncos show blitz with the ILB and send five. Initially looks like GRob has two men to block and allows the DE to go past unopposed. GRob does match up with Ray though and does a good job in blocking.

    1st & 10. Run

    Rams use zone blocking scheme. GRob is out aggressively from the snap and chases the OLB (Shaquil Barrett) 15 yards left away from the play.

    2nd & 9. Pass

    Broncos show blitz with ILB. Send four. GRob is matched up with the OLB (Barrett) but Barrett drops in to coverage. GRob turns inside and delivers a big right shoulder into the DE that knocks the DE flat on to his back.

    NB: Something went badly wrong with the protection call and/or communication on the right side. Kendricks and Harkey lined up outside Saffold with Cunningham on that side too. Saffold came inside; Kendricks went downfield; Harkey and Cunninham step up to support the interior. The end result was an unopposed run to the QB for Von Miller. I’d guess at Harkey being at fault.

    3rd & 9. Pass

    Lines up with the OLB, who was out quick but GRob was too and meets him. GRob gets two open hands on the OLBs shoulders and is in control. Cunningham then comes past and a gives a big chip block that knocks the OLB around 360 degrees. GRob has it covered though and pushes the turning OLB into the dirt as he spins. Nice job.

    3rd drive.

    1st & 10. Run

    GRob initially takes a big (and rather clumsy looking) right step to cover the inside rush and gets set with a wide and strong base. Ray doesn’t want to know. GRob looks to come inside but Cunningham is already past.

    2nd & 3. Pass

    One on one with the DE. The DE takes a chip from Kendricks which slows his rush. GRob takes five steps mirroring the DE before contact. GRob is in perfect position and gives a two handed shove as the pass comes out. Simple and easy here.

    1st & 10. Run

    Rams go to zone blocking again. GRob is up and moving left, and with just his right hand he forces the DE to go that way too. Moved the DE about 6 yards with just one arm there.

    NB: This zone blocking is not really working against the Bronco’s 3-4. The line is getting lateral movement but the ILBs are not engaged and are just coming up and thumping the RB in which ever gap appears. Fortunately the RB shows good strength to make some yards.

    2nd & 6. Run

    Lines up with Ray. Ray feints a bull rush and then goes inside. GRob appears well set for the bull rush but struggles to react to the inside move. GRob keeps at it and pushes Ray’s outside shoulder which slows Ray, but GRob ends up the wrong side. The pass was out quick which stopped Ray having an effect on the play, but that was definitely a win for Ray.

    1st & 10. Pass (zone read)

    GRob is off the snap noticeably quickly and drives inside at the DE. GRob’s hands appear a little high on the DE but he manhandles the DE for about four yards.

    1st & 10. Run

    Doubles the DE inside with Wichmann. Between them they blast the DE off the line and rough him up. They let the guy go after moving him 8 yards downfield.

    NB: Saffold got beaten with hands by the DE who dropped the RB. That was bad.

    2nd & 9. Pass

    One on one with the OLB (Ray) who comes from a wide starting spot. Ray goes for pure speed aroudn the outside and GRob never gets close enough to properly block. GRob ends up chasing Ray with two hands on his inside shoulder. The pass comes out quickly and GRob just (JUST!) did enough to send Ray high.

    NB; From the side line camera, it looks like GRob had a little move control in sending Ray high, and that Keenum was safer than first appears. Was still uncomfortably close though.

    3rd & 7. Pass

    Ray comes from that wide starting position again and builds up a head of steam again. GRob has gotten out better this time and gets hands on Ray, but allows Ray to get two straight arms into his chest. GRob removes Ray’s left arm and then forces Ray high. Ray keeps his legs driving and he is getting around the outside but GRob is slowing him. The ball comes out just as Ray manages to scrape Kennum’s butt with a stretching right arm.

    4th Drive.

    1st & 10. Run

    Zone blocking again. GRob comes inside and moves the DE a yard or so. Has high hands on the DEs shoulders, and a left slips off the DEs shoulder into his jaw and rocks the DEs head back. Wichmann’s butt seals off the DE for the rest of the play.

    2nd & 8. Pass (scramble)

    Ray rushes but GRob meets him with good hands and a low base. Looks like GRob has him stopped dead but Cunningham comes past and chip blocks Ray, knocking him free insider. GRob has it covered though and as Ray is off balance is throws Ray flat on to his back. Hard. Replay shows that GRob may have used a judo foot sweep/trip; not clear if it was deliberate though.

    1st & 10. Run

    Initially goes at the DE with Wichmann, but after initial shove GRob slides off looking for the ILB. Brown is dropped before GRob can engage.

    2nd & 6. Pass

    Lines up with Ray and looks to be in a good position, with feet and hands well placed. Ray then pulls a right arm swim move and is past GRob in the blink of an eye. Wichmann was doubling the DE with Barnes and was alert enough to put out a left arm and get a handful of Ray’s midriff, allowing Keenum an extra moment to get the pass out.

    3rd & 6. Pass

    Ray is lined up really wide again. Ray is up quick but Kendricks chips him as Kendricks is on his way to the flats, slowing Ray before he can fully get going. As Ray recovers GRob is on him and delivers a decent two handed hit. Decent footwork from GRob and the pass is out.

    Although the first team offense remained on the field, GRob went in to the concussion protocol so did not come back out with Goff on the next drive.

    However good Ray was though GRob did not give up any sacks or penalty yards; managing to not give up any penalties on plays where he had to recover against Ray was quite an achievement. He is also still and earth mover in the run game.

    What is clear is that GRob does not look as good up against speed rushers. Although he looks better (and he does) he is not the finished article yet, and looks like he will need to be helped out by calling for plays that have quick passes. He also still looks susceptible to that inside rush. That has to improve. He also need to prevent rushers getting their hands in to him by getting to the punch first.

    The protections could have helped him a little more. When a rusher as quick as Shane Ray is lined up some 6 to 8 yards outside and is clearly rushing, anyone is going to need help. Why it took until the 3rd time Ray was lined up a long way outside of GRob for them to realize he needed to be chipped before getting up to full speed is a bit of a mystery to me. A standing start against an on-coming 250lb speed rusher is going to be hard for any left tackle to deal with (yet Grob still managed it, I guess).

    Overall, I had hoped for better. Nevertheless, I am going to call this a positive outing. Yeah, he didn’t have it all his own way but that was never going to happen as Denver’s D is too good to allow that (and Shane Ray looked good).

    in reply to: Havenstein hasn’t been ruled out for Thurs #51880
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    i’m guessing havenstein starts at right tackle this thursday and saffold slides over to left tackle with robinson held out.

    Well, IR, it is really looking like this line (starting week one) … –>

    ROBINSON SAFFOLD BARNES (Wichmann? Brown?) HAVENSTEIN

    … —> is going to be a good one.

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    in reply to: Havenstein hasn’t been ruled out for Thurs #51874
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    in reply to: Rams cut 14, Lomax is number 15 #51868
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    Well. That includes not one single surprise.

    23 to go and of course with that, there will be a surprise or 2.

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    in reply to: 8/28…articles etc. on the Denver game #51867
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    off the net from frequent camp reporter alyoshamucci

    So … this was our first road game, and for the youngsters, it REALLY showed. I was getting angry about the poor play until I realized it was their first trip on the rtoad as an NFL hopeful for many of them. I relaxed a bit when I figured that part out.

    Also? We were playing our 2 vs. their 1s and 3s vs. 2s … so I don’t take the loss as an issue at all.

    The Good …

    1) GZ nailing it. I prefer not having to worry about him, and his effort was on point.

    2) Ogletree made a few plays out there that showed me why he’s playing MLB. His acceleration makes him tough to block … gotta run right at him to get him blocked, which means you have to run at Donald and Brockers.

    3) Longacre should be activated on game day.

    4) Easley and Cam T are gonna be well suited backups.

    5) Troy HIll should be starting opposite Tru. Period. I can’t ignore his play and I’m done with “maybe” level playing. Gaines can get healthy and fight back and Sensabaugh can move around.

    6) Our RBs are inspiring.

    7) Our O line is cohesive. I LOVE our Guards.

    8) Glad Coop reeled that one in.

    9) Kendricks looks faster? Anyone else seeing that?

    10) Keenum is a great starter prep for Goff. He’s clean and precise, and he knows his limitations. Goff will be forced to learn to play as clean … that’s awesome.

    11) I trust Britt more now than ever. He’s playing savvy.

    12) Forrest keeps flashing for me.

    13) McRoberts making a case for the 53.

    The Bad

    14) Joyner, c’mon man, wrap up.

    15) Goff’s pick … MT was open on the same side but he didn’t come off his primary. That’s sleepy QBing.

    16) Roberson has not distinguished himself at all.

    17) Drops .. seriously. Quick, MT, and then Duke. I can forgive Duke, it was his first opportunity at an away game with TJ Ward closing on him and we ended up getting the first because of the hit he took … but that’s his one.

    18) Kush, goodness. Later.

    This Thursday should give us a lot to work with. Goff and the kids will show up for a game of “who wants to catch the freaking ball.” I wouldn’t have thought a position battle would come down to a final PS game for so many kids.

    Thoughts and comments welcome .. Ill start my collegiate stuff in the coming weeks too.

    in reply to: reports: Cooper & maybe Gaines out a couple of weeks #51836
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    So they still could keep a receiver they might have otherwise cut–but they will have to take the hit by giving up another position.

    Basically, yes.

    And a note from me as mod to all posters. Notice what I did there? I cut the quotations back. Which is both easy and wholesome clean fun. Cause when they pile up, if individual posters don’t do it, a mod does it. So when you hit quote it’s actually very easy to blue out the unnecessary stuff and keep the minimum needed for clarity, rather than end up with drawn out cluttered nightmares.

    Thusly…blue out the unneeded content and just hit delete, saving both the 1st and last quote commands:


    in reply to: Fisher 8/27 & 8/28, + Goff….vids + 1 transcript #51832
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    Rams Head Coach Jeff Fisher – August 28, 2016

    (Opening remarks)

    “It was a short night, and an early morning. We’re not the only organization that has gone through it. That’s typically the case in the third preseason week. Now we have another challenge ahead of us, in that we’re traveling here in just a couple days. I had an opportunity to look at the tape, all three phases as I said, last night. I thought there would be some things to learn from; and they were. Also, some things to build on; and they were. I was pleased with a number of things. I thought the quarterbacks took a step forward. I thought (QB) Jared (Goff), even though the number weren’t great, I thought he did a really good job on the line of scrimmage. His poise, his confidence, took a big hit, came back, I thought he’s progressed since week 1 and week 2. So, that’s a good thing to see. I thought (QB) Case (Keenum), you know, Case is Case. He got lucky on the sideline. I was nervous there for a second, but he bounced up and finished the drive. And then (QB) Sean (Mannion), Sean had some difficulty at the end. We were a little outmatched with the pass rush and we couldn’t get the ball down the field when we needed to. But he knew what he was doing. So, I thought the quarterback play has improved over the past couple of weeks.

    “Defensively, better, better effort early in the game. Getting (DE) Rob (Quinn) back was good. I thought (LB Alec Ogletree) ‘Tree’ looked a little more comfortable in the run-front. We’re still giving up too many yards. We gave up some big runs with guys that are going to be on our roster in the second quarter, and we’ve got to get those things fixed before Week 1, or else we’ll have some problems in the regular season. And then special teams, some younger guys really took a step. We tried to get both our rookie tight ends involved in special teams. It was their first exposure, and they look like they can be productive at it. So, they got another week to get fine-tuned before we start the regular season.

    “Injury wise, I felt good last night leaving, but there’s always going to be those things that come up. And we had a couple things come up here this morning. We’re going to be without (WR) Pharoh Cooper for a few weeks with a shoulder injury. I don’t know how long, but it looks like he’ll probably miss the opener, and we’ll just see how quickly he can come back from that. We also have an issue with (DB) E.J.’s (Gaines) quad strain. He may miss some time. But, that just gives some other players an opportunity. But beyond that, it looked like, as far as the rest of the roster, we’ll be ok. We got some guys back. As we said, Rob, and (LB Nicholas) Grigsby, and (T Isaiah) Battle got to play. Overall, I thought it was a productive night. We got a short week – very, very short. We had our film study with the players today. I got them on the field. I had to remind them to slow down a little bit, because they were playing in a game less than 24 hours ago. We got today beyond us. We’re going to have two open practices to (media) tomorrow (August 29) and Tuesday (August 30), and then we’ll be traveling Wednesday (August 31).

    “We also got started on the roster reduction, which is not easy. It’s a difficult part of the National Football League and part of training camp. We’re not finished. We still have some more work to do tonight and tomorrow to have the entire list available for you tomorrow. I’m not going to disclose the moves that we make today, for obvious reasons. When it’s all said and done, these young players come in and give everything that they have. They should be able to walk away holding their chin up, feeling like they became better players. As I expressed to a number of them today, an appreciation for their work and their effort, they helped this football team get better, because they’re practicing against our starters, and doing all those things throughout the offseason and through camp. We’ll finish up tomorrow and, of course, we start the process all over again Friday (September 2) and Saturday (September 3).”

    (On which play Cooper was injured on)

    “Yeah, it was on the acrobatic catch. He came down on his shoulder.”

    (On how Cooper’s injury situation impacts other receivers trying to make the team)

    “You have to take all those things into consideration. He’s had a great camp, we drafted him for a reason. We’ll have to make some decisions next weekend that kind of revolve around his status, if you will.”

    (On if any of Gaines’ injuries are related)

    “He had the little hamstring strain – I mentioned to you that he was so focused, for a year, on getting the foot back. Oftentimes, when players are gone and not available for that length of time and they do return, that there are other little issues that come up. I’m hoping this is the last thing that comes up because he was extremely durable his rookie year as a starter for us, he was there week after week after week.”

    (On the dropped passes in the game yesterday, if it was on the receivers or if the defense played well)

    “If the ball hits the receivers in the hands and then it hits the ground, it’s a drop. If the defensive back knocks the ball down, it’s a good play by the defense. As I said, (Broncos defensive coordinator) Wade’s (Phillips) got those guys challenging, they were challenging our receivers and challenging our routes and challenging the man-to-man coverages, which was good to see. We have things in our back pocket that will get them open; we’re just not using those things right now in the preseason. Still, when the ball is catchable, make the catch – that’s kind of our philosophy, offensively.”

    (On how much RB Todd Gurley pushed to play in the game)

    “He didn’t say anything to me. We discussed it as a staff and I told (running backs coach) Skip (Peete) that we’re going to hold Todd out and he said ‘yes sir, no problem,’ and I think Todd was fine with it. He had a great, great workout, prior to the game he went through the warm-ups, got the energy and felt the emotion, he was right there at the end of the game rooting on his teammates. I know you have a follow-up question and that would be ‘Is he going to play this week?’ I can’t tell you right now.”

    (On if being off for more than three weeks from seeing game speed will impact Gurley going into the regular season opener and if that is much of a concern)

    “Last year, he had close to eight or nine months before he saw game speed, so three weeks is nothing. If you take into consideration that he’s on the practice field every day practicing and going full speed, so I’m concerned about it. He’s not the only really good and talented player in the league that’s not going to play much in the preseason, that’s just kind of where our league’s going right now.”

    (On his reaction to 49ers QB Colin Kaepernick not standing for the national anthem)

    “I’m going to let his words speak for himself, it was his choice. And I’m going to let the 49ers’ comments and their release speak for themselves. That’s a 49ers issue – I know it’s a societal issue, but I don’t feel like it’s my place to comment. I think our respect for the national anthem has been very, very well-documented and we’re going to continue to have respect for the national anthem.”

    (On how he would react if he had a player who did not want to stand for the national anthem)

    “Again, they have every right to stand up and be heard. I would be very, very surprised if I had one of our players do that, particularly because of the respect that we have shown, not only this year, but since our time in St. Louis and my time going way back for the national anthem. I also would think that if a player had an issue – a player on our team – that he probably would come to me to discuss it before he reacted in such a fashion. I’m not being critical of ‘Kap,’ he has every right to do that, but we have an organizational philosophy that has been in place for a long time, with respect to the anthem. I think it’s a special event and it’s something that should be respected and that’s my opinion.”

    (On how he thinks the team handled the player demonstration in regards to Ferguson, Mo., a few years ago)

    “I thought we did an outstanding job. When it was all said and done, over a couple days, once I got a chance to talk to the players, I think the players were misunderstood. What the players wanted was they wanted to direct attention to the community of Ferguson because they felt the community needed help and they were helping them. They didn’t want it to be misunderstood, as far as that’s concerned. But I had individual discussions with all the players that next morning and for a day or two before we came back to work. Obviously, you have compassion for the things that are happening in society and players have the opportunity because they have a platform. There’s a place for it and there’s not a place for it. We’ve got a really good understanding of what happened, but what was done – I thought it was a huge misunderstanding from the standpoint. To a man, if you asked each one of them if they’d do it all over again, they probably would. I thought, from an organization standpoint, we dealt with it appropriately and with compassion and concern for what was taking place in Ferguson.”

    (On what WR Tavon Austin brings to the organization that made the team want to give him a contract extension)

    “It’s our anticipation of what he’s going to do. We’ve seen what he’s capable of and we’re hoping we’re going to get a lot more than what we’ve seen in the past. I know people are putting out numbers and things like that, but they forget three or four punt returns that were returned for touchdowns that were called back. He’s very, very talented with the ball in his hands. He is a problem to defends against and we hear that week after week after week. I was speaking with Wade (Phillips) before the game and (he was saying) ‘this guy is really good.’ It was obvious, the way they defended us, they knew we weren’t going to give him the ball, so they just kind of disregarded where he was, but things change here in a couple weeks. I’m just really happy for Tavon. He’s a great team guy, full of energy and he’s got a God-given talent that’s going to carry us a long way.”

    (On injury updates on T Rob Havenstein and WR Nelson Spruce)

    “Good news with Havenstein – a solid pregame warm-up, we’re going to get him on the practice field, he needs to do some football things this week. That’s why we took him off PUP, so he could participate with his teammates. So we’ll see how he is by the end of the week. Probably unlikely that he plays this week, but we’re going to get him some practice reps under his belt. (Spruce) is running a little bit now, so he’s coming. I wouldn’t think he’s going to play this week, but he may be close, which is encouraging.”

    (On if he feels like he’s seen enough from Spruce to know whether or not he can make the team and how difficult of a decision it is for a guy like Spruce, who is talented, but hasn’t played in a while)

    “There’s a lot of things to consider. We coveted Nelson after the draft and we saw some things that we really liked and you saw them in the game. Unfortunately, he’s missed time, so we’re just going to have to address that this weekend.”

    (On how he felt like WR Brian Quick responded this week after dropping passes in the second preseason game)

    “I thought he was better. He got open. He was a little bit more explosive in his routes when he got the opportunities. I thought he improved. We never had any issues with his blocking, but I thought he played better yesterday.”

    (On how CB Troy Hill is doing)

    “Troy is doing fine. We had two players that went into the concussion protocol last night. Troy is one and (T) Greg Robinson was the other. Both of them are way ahead of schedule and didn’t have any residual effects. The question is, with the short week and a Thursday game versus a Sunday game, it probably makes sense to err on the side of caution in the event they’re both cleared and ready to play.”

    (On if having a short week is a good thing or bad thing in the preseason for the team)

    “Everyone’s going on a short week, but in a perfect world it would be to have a short week at home, but that’s not the case. We have to travel, we have to come back and as we mentioned, we’ll start the final cut down process. But the entire organization is getting ready to move to Thousand Oaks – we’ve already started that. So we have to set up permanently – temporarily permanently – up in Thousand Oaks for a couple of years. So we have a lot of work to do this week.”

    (On the reports that QB Jared Goff had X-rays for a tailbone injury)

    “I’m not going to confirm or deny either way. Jared participated out here today.”

    (On if he has an update on WR Bradley Marquez)

    “He participated outside today.”[

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    Oh, and there is this rather important question Trump asks:

    Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump asked a foreign policy adviser multiple times in an hourlong briefing why the U.S. can’t use its nuclear weapons, MSNBC anchor Joe Scarborough said Wednesday morning.

    Scarborough revealed the story while he was interviewing former CIA Director Michael Hayden on “Morning Joe” about Trump’s campaign.

    “Several months ago, a foreign policy expert went to advise Donald Trump,” Scarborough said. “And three times he asked about the use of nuclear weapons — three times he asked. At one point, ‘If we have them, why can’t we use them?’”

    That bit froze and horrified the GOP military and foreign policy establishment to the point where many who were prepared to grin and bear a Trump candidacy just went “no screw this.”

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    That will save one of the receivers from getting cut–for now.

    I doubt it, PA…if they want Cooper they can’t risk cutting him. He has to be on the roster for a couple of weeks, then, if they want him. He will just be an inactive. That probably knocks a receiver off. MAYBE it means they keep 6 if originally they meant to keep 5. But PC has to be on the roster if they want him.

    Oh I know they aren’t cutting Cooper. But if he’s on an injury list doesn’t that free up a spot? Once he’s better he takes the other spot and the receiver who survives would be cut. Or maybe I’m thinking about it wrong. I’m not sure how the whole injury lists work with regard to that.

    Chances are, if they keep him he won’t be on an injury list. He will be on the roster. He has a minor issue and would be out at most 2-4 weeks.

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    First it is a genuine pleasure to have you posting as a regular here. I am glad for it. We missed you.

    Second, this discussion—Trump v. standard issue dem partyline–is as tough an issue as we have ever discussed as a group because it comes from a divided instead of unified left. Before we were united against the Bush wars. Now we are divided over issues of analysis and principle when it comes to discussing this election. That’s not quite as easy to discuss.

    You expressed yourself well here, but I still disagree Dak. I think that if the neo-con intelligentsia got from Trump a foreign policy they considered rational, they would not be defecting. All that would have taken was Trump naming a foreign policy advisor they could live with.

    I think they are a separate and different set than the money men who tried to get behind Trump’s opponents. The longer post clarifies a lot of things, and I have no disagreement with most of it, but the way you had put it before was too short-handed in comparison to this longer version…for convenience sake you had the 1% (part of whom btw always backed Hillary) dictating to neo-cons who don’t operate that way.

    I also don’t think they money people worry about Trump’s fake populism or rather his us v. them style of populism…it;s easy to recognize that he is no threat to entrenched money interests and if anything would tilt the economy more their direction.

    Anyway to me it;s more accurate to say that the GOP traditional powers that be don’t like Trump, AND that the neo-cons look at his foreign policy tendencies with horror. It just looks like 2 distinct though loosely allied forces.

    And all that amounts to this for me.

    My approach to all of this is to stress that Trump’s foreign policy (taken momentarily in isolation from other aspects of him) actually genuinely IS worse than the neo-con vision, as bad as that was.

    So to me it sounded too much like you were downplaying that. To me it sounds too much like you’re saying well their side just can’t control him, that’s all this is (with the neo-cons). I see that differently. Again just momentarily focused on foreign policy in isolation, he really actually IS as bad as they say he is, to the point where the neo-cons are actually RIGHT to react against him in terms of foreign policy issues. The way I see it, their rejection doesn’t have to be explained away–it’s absolutely correct. That is, he is SO bad, EVEN THEY see it.

    So to me you just seemed to be going easy on him. That’s our magnified minor difference on this.

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    is there any news on spruce?

    Not that I have seen.

    I spoke too soon.

    It’s here. There is news on Spruce and it is encouraging. Same with Robinson. References to both are red-bolded below.

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    Rams News & Notes 8/28: Cooper to Miss Time with Shoulder Injury

    Myles Simmons

    http://www.therams.com/news-and-events/article-1/Rams-News–Notes-828-Cooper-to-Miss-Time-with-Shoulder-Injury/eb1cdb6b-3047-448f-beec-59e4f80f1651

    After Saturday evening’s contest in Denver, head coach Jeff Fisher was optimistic the Rams had not suffered any injuries that would keep players out for a significant amount of time. Unfortunately, that will not be the case, particularly with wide receiver Pharoh Cooper.

    “We’re going to be without Pharoh Cooper for a few weeks with a shoulder injury,” head coach Jeff Fisher said. “I don’t know how long, but it looks like he’ll probably miss the opener, and we’ll just see how quickly he can come back from that.”

    The wide receiver suffered the injury on an acrobatic third-down reception from quarterback Jared Goff. While high, the throw appeared to be in the only place Cooper would realistically have a shot at reeling it in. That he did, using one hand to halt the ball’s path before securing it with two as he went to the ground. Replay shows Cooper’s shoulder hit the ground hard before he was touched down by Broncos defenders.

    The injury may have an impact on the Rams’ roster cuts, as the initial 53-man roster must be set by Sept. 3 at 1 p.m. PT.

    “You have to take all those things into consideration. He’s had a great camp, we drafted him for a reason,” Fisher said. “We’ll have to make some decisions next weekend that kind of revolve around his status, if you will.”

    Drafted in the fourth round, Cooper has excelled in his first training camp, quickly becoming a key component to the Rams’ offense, with Fisher recently naming him among the club’s top-three receivers. He’s made two receptions for 30 yards and a touchdown in preseason action.

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    — Cornerback E.J. Gaines’ comeback has hit another speed bump, as the Mizzou product suffered a quad strain in Saturday’s game.

    “He may miss some time,” Fisher said.

    As it was with Gaines’ earlier injuries this preseason, Fisher said part of the issue may be attributed to the cornerback concentrating on rehabbing the foot injury that caused him to miss all of 2015.

    “Oftentimes, when players are gone and not available for that length of time and they do return, that there are other little issues that come up,” Fisher said. “I’m hoping this is the last thing that comes up because he was extremely durable his rookie year as a starter for us, he was there week after week after week.”

    Gaines started Saturday’s contest at corner opposite Trumaine Johnson. He played 18 snaps — the same as the majority of the first-team defense.

    — Wide receiver Nelson Spruce has been out since suffering a knee injury in the first exhibition matchup against Dallas. Fisher said he’s progressing steadily, and is doing some running at this point.

    “I wouldn’t think he’s going to play this week, but he may be close, which is encouraging,” Fisher said.

    Even though Spruce has missed the last few weeks of camp, he has clearly made an impression on the Rams’ brass that may give him a chance to make the initial 53-man roster.

    “There’s a lot of things to consider,” Fisher said. “We coveted Nelson after the draft and we saw some things that we really liked and you saw them in the game. Unfortunately, he’s missed time, so we’re just going to have to address that this weekend.”

    — The Rams had two players enter the concussion protocol form Saturday’s game, left tackle Greg Robinsonand cornerback Troy Hill.

    “Both of them are way ahead of schedule and didn’t have any residual effects,” Fisher said. “The question is, with the short week and a Thursday game versus a Sunday game, it probably makes sense to err on the side of caution in the event they’re both cleared and ready to play.”

    — Right tackle Rob Havenstein, who was taken off the physically unable to perform list on Friday, went through a solid pregame warm-up and will practice this week.

    “That’s why we took him off PUP, so he could participate with his teammates,” Fisher said. “So we’ll see how he is by the end of the week. Probably unlikely that he plays this week, but we’re going to get him some practice reps under his belt.”

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    is there any news on spruce?

    Not that I have seen.

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    Why would some of them choose Clinton over Trump? Not because they “fear” Trump would go against their interests, while knowing HRC wouldn’t.

    Yeah the entire trade rhetoric has come up before. It’s shallow and fake. That drum has been pounded here and still needs more pounding. There is no “worker” populism in Trump, just anti-Other People populism, the populism of xenophobia and “evil threats from Others.” Not wages, jobs, and worker re-empowerment. Diatribes against muslims and ferr-ihn-ehrs.

    Why, as this thread indicates, would luminaries from the GOP foreign policy intelligentsia be against him? (And they are not the same as the 1% … they belong to the same country club but they are not identical).

    Because they’re right, he is genuinely bloody awful on foreign policy, and would be a loose cannon. They of course won’t see it this way, let alone say it this way, but, he actually IS worse than they were.

    Hillary, on the other hand, is only a bit better than they were, which (for them) makes her a more acceptable choice than the guy who is genuinely spooky bad in comparison to them.

    For them it’s all about that. From our perspective, in terms of foreign policy (and that’s all this neo-con defection is about…only that…) Trump would combine the worst OF them with things that are clearly far worse THAN them.

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    off the net from frequent camp reporter VeteranRamFan

    Saffold at RT getting beat my Miller, not what I expected. They later gave him TE help on passing downs.

    D. Williams…..next topic.

    GRob has improved tremendously. No penalties and he provided very good pass protection.

    Higbee was targeted about 6 times, made one catch. If I remember four of the six were not thrown well, out of reach, behind, over his head but he came off the field upset with what I think is he felt he should have caught some of them. Good for him.

    Quick had a long of 8 yards, total 3 catches for 15 yards. What i want to know was his routes supposed to be 5 yards down and out because he was running 3 yards down and out. Film review by the coaches will be necessary. I like the fact he stepped up and made those catches.

    Hemingway and Duke, both had opportunities and didn’t capitalize on them.

    Kendricks was good in the passing game. Looked fluid. I liked it.

    Britt also was looking good. Nice to see.

    Kush was serviceable at center. I do recall one or maybe two high snaps from the shotgun.

    Penalties – O line, none? D line a couple but much better than last week.

    Goff – What I liked was his command of the huddle, his calling out of the defense alignment. I don’t recall any audibles, wish he would have but that may have been by design. He did take snaps under center and threw from that formation. His hand offs were spot on. I think his pocket presence was very good. Many a time I’m getting nervous as the pocket collapsed around him but he got the ball out. The hits and sack he took were breakdowns in blocking IMO. He sure did miss on a couple of throws and still was very accurate on others only to be denied by our WR’s.

    Like I reported from Tuesday’s camp, he looked much better than the KC game. Wish we could see him with the complete first team.

    I’m sure there is more but I just can’t recall them at this time.

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    That will save one of the receivers from getting cut–for now.

    I doubt it, PA…if they want Cooper they can’t risk cutting him. He has to be on the roster for a couple of weeks, then, if they want him. He will just be an inactive. That probably knocks a receiver off. MAYBE it means they keep 6 if originally they meant to keep 5. But PC has to be on the roster if they want him.

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    49ers likely to jettison Kaepernick, for football reasons

    Report: 49ers likely to jettison Kaepernick, for football reasons

    Colin Kaepernick has suddenly become the most controversial player in the NFL because of his refusal to stand for the national anthem. But there may be another issue that could cost him his job in San Francisco: He’s not a very good quarterback.

    Jay Glazer said on FOX that the 49ers are deeply concerned with Kaepernick’s decline as a player, which started last season when he struggled before getting benched, then got even worse this offseason when he lost significant muscle mass when he couldn’t work out following multiple surgeries.

    “Regardless of politics or not, he has a very, very big uphill battle to make this team,” Glazer said. “I’d be shocked if he’s on the 49ers by the time this season ends. It has nothing to do with political views whatsoever. He lost a ton of weight this offseason, had three surgeries, couldn’t work out, lost that double threat, that size-speed ratio. No political views, he just hasn’t been effective. He’s regressing as a player. I’d be shocked if he’s on this roster by the end of this year. He may not be on it in the next two weeks.”

    Kaepernick’s contract guarantees him an $11.9 million salary this season, and ordinarily a player with an $11.9 million guaranteed salary isn’t going to get cut. But if the 49ers really think Kaepernick has regressed to the point where they’d be better off with Blaine Gabbert starting and Christian Ponder and Jeff Driskel backing Gabbert up, then they can save a little money by cutting Kaepernick and hoping he signs with another team, as they would be able to reduce that $11.9 million by the amount of Kaepernick’s salary with a new team.

    So there are football reasons that the 49ers might want to get rid of Kaepernick. At this point, they probably wish they had done so before this weekend’s non-football controversy.

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    Hey there sports fans, just wanted to give some impressions of our 3rd pre-season game, playing away at the Denver Broncos.

    It was an absolutely beautiful night in Denver. Weather couldn’t have been any better. Broncos fans were in World Championship form. They packed the stadium, and were loud and boisterous for the entire 4 qtrs. They’re also pretty good people. I think they actually gave my son-in-law more of a chiding for wearing his Tim Tebow jersey than us for wearing our Rams jerseys. We went all RB’s for the game. My daughter and I in Dickerson jerseys, and Mrs. Guard in a Faulk jersey.

    To the game…

    I think two different mindsets between Fisher and Kubiak. Fisher looking to keep his star players in limited or no duty whatsoever. Don’t think our starters played much past the 1st quarter, either on O or D. Kubiak kept his 1’s in for the entire 1st half, and he’s dealing with basically a rookie at QB in Siemian.

    Denver’s D is still pretty stout against the run and one of the best in the NFL. I didn’t see too many holes for our RB’s to get through. Yards were hard to come by. I think we know what we have behind Gurley, with two good tailbacks in Cunningham and Brown. Aaron Green and Terrance Magee saw a lot of action. Magee had a long run at the tail end of the game. Don’t think he makes the team though. We have very little depth at WR past Pharoah Cooper. Though Quick seem to have a couple of catches, don’t know if it’s enough to keep him on the roster. Most consistent receiver last night…. Lance Kendricks. I know there were quite a few people high on M. Thomas and Duke Williams…. don’t see it. Not even sure either would make it to PS. Frankly, McRoberts, and A. Hill show more. As for the TE’s, Higbee didn’t see a lot of throws his way, I believe he caught one and had one zip passed him… a little too high, and too much mustard. TE Hemingway had some regression last night. Missed some balls he should and needed to catch.

    After our 1’s left the game, the only real players that stood out were DE Longacre and CB T. Hill. Hill went out with and injury… hope he’s going to be ok. He looks like a keeper. Longacre is really, really strong and quick. I think he could be an impact starter at DE. DT Cam Thomas is huge, takes up a lot of space and is hard to move, but somewhat slow. Akeem Ayers is not very good… that’s being nice. One play he got caught on his back hills, and just got absolutely trucked. And now playing in his 3rd year in this defense, he just looks lost. Trouble is, none of the LB’s behind him showed much.

    Fun watching Johnny Hekker come out at half time and warm up in front of where we were sitting. He put 3 punts back to back to back on the 2 yard line, and then he did a coffin corner directional punt, and put it on the 5.

    Zuerlein seems to have his confidence back. His FG kicks seem to come easy, and pretty much down the middle with no jittery-ness to them. That’s a good sign.

    Not too many takeaways from this game, just the same feeling that I think the Defense will be somewhere between good to great again, and the Offense will struggle to find TD’s and not FG’s. Just my impression. Maybe when we see all of the pieces together it will click… TA, Gurley and a healthy and consistent O-Line. The QB situation is what it is… it’s Keenum for now, because Goff isn’t there yet. It’s easy to see that when you watch the game live… imo.

    How does Fisher juggle between keeping his star players healthy, and not providing other teams anything to capture on film to game plan against… and getting this team ready to play, and not another slow roll out of the gate? One more Pre-season game, and we’ll find out.

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    What we learned from Rams’ exhibition loss to the Denver Broncos

    Gary Klein

    http://www.latimes.com/sports/rams/la-sp-what-we-learned-rams-broncos-20160827-snap-story.html

    What we learned from the Rams’ 17-9 loss to the Denver Broncos:

    The Rams are keeping Tavon Austin under wraps

    Hours after announcing a four-year contract extension for Tavon Austin, the wide receiver was all but invisible again. He was targeted once and did not have a reception.

    That is keeping with the trend of the exhibition season.

    Austin, the eighth pick in the 2013 draft, last season caught a career-best 52 passes and scored 10 touchdowns after receptions, on carries and on a punt return.

    Offensive coordinator Rob Boras will probably deploy Austin from all points and get the ball into his hands when the games start to count.

    So check back Sept. 12 when the Rams play the San Francisco 49ers on “Monday Night Football.”

    Case Keenum is tough

    Denver linebacker Von Miller sacked quarterback Case Keenum on the Rams’ first possession, and cornerback Aqib Talib drilled Keenum as he ran out of bounds in the second quarter.

    Keenum bounced up from both hits and played a third consecutive exhibition game without an interception or fumble.

    Still, it would probably behoove Keenum to slide next time he scrambles into a situation that invites a violent hit.

    Third down remains an issue

    We understand it’s the exhibition season and multiple quarterbacks are playing with various offensive line combinations, but the Rams converted only two of 15 third downs against the Broncos. They are eight for 33 in three preseason games.

    Yes, running back Todd Gurley did not play in two of those – including Saturday night – but the absence of a true go-to receiver is obvious.

    Robert Quinn admires Von Miller

    After playing in his first game since undergoing back surgery, Rams defensive end Robert Quinn had Denver All-Pro linebacker Von Miller sign a Broncos jersey.

    Quinn only played briefly, but the two-time Pro Bowl end made a tackle for a loss. His presence in the lineup and his performance on the field portends well for a defensive line that wants to be considered elite.

    Miller had two tackles, including a sack.

    Jared Goff can avoid turnovers

    Rookie quarterback Jared Goff eliminated the early mistakes that plagued him in the first two exhibition games.

    For the first time, he got through his first series without an interception or fumble.

    He got lucky later in the first half when Broncos safety Darian Stewart jumped a route and dropped the ball before taking off for what would have been a pick six.

    Goff completed only four of 12 passes for 45 yards but receivers once again dropped multiple passes.

    Trumaine Johnson is a playmaker

    We knew that based on the seven passes the cornerback intercepted last season and the Rams’ decision to put the franchise tag on him.

    But we hadn’t seen much evidence in the first two preseason games. Against Kansas City, Johnson got beat for a long gain.

    But Johnson, who is earning about $14 million this season, showed his skills against the Broncos when he left his feet to break up a pass by quarterback Trevor Siemian and batted it to safety Cody Davis for an interception.

    Brian Quick responded to a challenge

    During the week, Coach Jeff Fisher all but dared veteran receiver Brian Quick to continue dropping passes.

    The fifth-year pro was targeted three times against the Broncos and caught the ball each time.

    That might not seem like a huge achievement for a receiver who signed a one-year, $1.75-million “prove-it” contract, but it had to be a confidence boost for Quick.

    Greg Zuerlein is kicking with confidence

    After not attempting a field goal in the first two exhibitions, kicker Greg Zuerlein converted from 29, 38 and 48 yards against the Broncos.

    Zuerlein is coming off a 20-for-30 performance in 2015, and questions about whether the Rams were wise to re-sign him.

    So far, he has made all of his extra-point kicks and field-goal attempts

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    Jared Goff Fires to Pharoh Cooper, Makes a Ridiculous Catch! | Rams vs. Broncos | NFL

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    Many GOP foreign policy experts see Donald Trump as unfit to be president

    http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-fg-trump-foreign-policy-20160731-snap-story.html

    To the extent Donald Trump has articulated a coherent foreign policy, it appears a dark shoot-from-the-hip unilateralism that puts him at odds with thinking that has dominated the GOP for generations.

    As Trump starts his general election campaign, many Republican foreign policy and national security advisers and thinkers who have spent decades promoting America’s preeminent role in world affairs remain deeply skeptical of his views.

    They say they are aghast that the GOP nominee boasts of reading little and ignoring expert advice, and instead of gleaning his knowledge of global events from Sunday TV talk shows.

    “Donald Trump still has the habits of a reality show host. He says things as dramatically and as provocatively as possible,” said Dimitri Simes, president of the Center for the National Interest, a Washington think tank founded by President Nixon.

    Trump rang establishment alarms — again — last week when he urged Russia to find Hillary Clinton’s deleted State Department emails, apparently daring a foreign adversary to hack a federal agency or a U.S. presidential candidate. (Trump later said he was being sarcastic.)

    The episode, along with his fresh criticism of U.S. alliances during the Republican National Convention, cemented doubts for many who still had hopes Trump would tamp down his rhetoric for the fall race against Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton.

    “When he entered the race, the overarching concern was lack of experience and an inability or unwillingness to define what his policy would be,” said Elliot Abrams, a Middle East expert and military hawk who served as deputy national security adviser to George W. Bush.

    “Now, particularly after the convention, he has defined it. And it would destroy the greatest single asset we have, which is our alliance structure,” he added.

    It was hardly Trump’s first break with orthodoxy.

    Trump not only has expressed admiration for Russia’s authoritarian leader, Vladimir Putin. He has said he might recognize Russia’s military annexation of Crimea, which America and its allies consider illegal, and might lift U.S. sanctions imposed on Moscow for its regional aggression.

    Trump has challenged the importance of NATO, the transatlantic military alliance born out of World War II, and shaken one of its pillars by saying he might not defend a member nation under attack from Russia or other invaders, as the treaty requires.

    He has called for using torture against terrorism suspects, and has said America has no standing to lecture other nations on human rights and the rule of law, as administrations have done since the depths of the Cold War.

    He also has suggested upending decades of U.S. efforts aimed at stopping the spread of nuclear weapons by suggesting Japan and South Korea should build their own atomic arsenal rather than rely on the U.S. nuclear umbrella.

    By embracing these and other controversial positions, Trump has turned America’s postwar political dynamic on its head. Many foreign policy experts now view the Democratic nominee as a more stable hand on national security than the wobbly GOP.

    Trump’s most ardent supporters see his freewheeling approach as refreshing. They relish his role as a rule breaker who mocks the pious language of diplomats and policy wonks. They agree with his allegation that so-called experts have made America weaker and less respected.

    But the response from the GOP foreign policy and national security establishment has been fierce.

    Some stalwarts — including Richard Armitage, a former high-ranking Pentagon and State Department official, and Brent Scowcroft, who counseled four Republican presidents — have thrown their support to Clinton.

    “It’s the fact that our friends aren’t going to trust us and our enemies aren’t going to fear us” if Trump is elected, said Paul Wolfowitz, a deputy defense secretary under George W. Bush.

    Wolfowitz said he has serious concerns about Clinton’s foreign policy but will probably vote for her. And he mocked Trump’s refusal to release his tax returns, as other presidential candidates have done for decades.

    “I wonder how [he would] feel if they leaked his tax returns,” he quipped, referring to suspicions that Russia hacked and leaked Democratic Party emails.

    The criticism emerged early in the primaries when Trump began rising in the polls.

    In February, Robert Kagan, a prominent neo-conservative who argues for American exceptionalism, free-market capitalism and an interventionist foreign policy, called Trump a “Frankenstein’s monster,” capable of destroying the GOP. He has since backed Clinton.

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    In March, 121 self-described members of the Republican national security community signed a public letter pledging to work against Trump’s election and blasting him as utterly unfit for the White House.

    “His vision of American influence and power in the world is wildly inconsistent and unmoored in principle,” they wrote. “He swings from isolationism to military adventurism within the space of one sentence.”

    Eliot A. Cohen, a senior State Department official under President George W. Bush, said he helped draft the letter “so I can look my grandchildren in the eye 15 years from now.”

    “It’s not just demagoguery,” Cohen said of Trump’s campaign rhetoric. “It’s an appeal for a certain kind of dictatorship.”

    While others won’t go that far, at least publicly, they have expressed grave concerns about Trump’s lack of specifics on how and when he would use U.S. power.

    “Donald Trump, essentially, has simply indicated that he would be tough enough to sock it to him,” said Richard Lugar, a former Indiana senator who chaired the foreign relations committee and now leads a think tank devoted to global leadership. “There’s not a great deal of analysis [and] almost none at all for the complexities.”

    Condoleezza Rice, national security adviser and then secretary of State under George W. Bush, declined a request for comment. But someone familiar with her thinking said she has been “disgusted by this whole thing.”

    Like her, many in the foreign policy elite cut their teeth in the Cold War. They see Trump’s apparent camaraderie with Putin, who is steadily reasserting strongman rule in Russia, as naive.

    Lanhee Chen, policy director for the 2012 GOP nominee, Mitt Romney, decried what he called Trump’s “flippant nature” in addressing foreign policy.

    Romney, a former governor of Massachusetts, took time to study and think about foreign policy questions long before he ran for president, Chen said.

    “It’s a little bit late in the game” to start now, he said. “But the temperament is not something you can study. It’s just sort of who you are.”

    Trump has begun receiving briefings from more knowledgeable policy experts, and now that he is the nominee, will be offered classified intelligence briefings from U.S. officials.

    Some conservative policy experts say Trump is being underestimated.

    “He appears to have a number of strong instincts that have not yet crystallized into a comprehensive world view,” said Paul Saunders, executive director of the Center for the National Interest.

    Saunders said wearing his lack of expertise on his sleeve may not impress foreign policy circles, but likely appeals to some voters.

    Trump appears unbothered by criticism from people who should be his political allies. His gamble is that voters will disdain “experts” as much as he apparently does.

    Those experts, he told a news conference Wednesday in Florida, got the world in the trouble it’s in.

    “So a lot of the people that you think are good because you know their name or because you see them on television, I don’t think are good,” he said. “Because look at the end result. The end result is our country is a mess.”

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    I still say it’s about control when it comes to the ruling elite. And, if you can’t control your rhetoric, you’re a bad candidate. Trump’s a nightmare for many reasons, but I think down deep at the core of the issue for the most exalted wingnuts is that he’s shown he will play to the unwashed herd over the Party Leaders. That’s both his appeal to his voters and his downfall to the party leaders. Luckily, his message of hate and bigotry turns off enough voters. WV’s probably right. We can stop worrying about Trump and start worrying about Hillary.

    Honestly? First I don;t think it;s that conspiratorially united. I don’t see them acting in regulated concert any more than I see the left doing that. Second I don’t think they care one way or another who Trump appeals to as a base. I don’t think these guys sit there going “how do the 1% feel about a populist demagogue cause we need to act in unison.”

    The guys we’re discussing looked directly at Trump’s foreign policy–which yes is knowable in its general outlines–and blanched. They blanched because it genuinely is disastrous from any other viewpoint except Trump’s.

    And all of us here should be blanching too because it actually IS that bad.

    On this issue anyway, these guys we’re discussing are just plain right about Trump and the effect he would have in foreign policy. They’re right that yes it IS that bad.

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