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znModeratorThe so-called depth the Rams supposedly have along the d-line is overrated. Donald was being double-teamed the entire game and the other defenders couldn’t even sniff the QB. I think the Rams should invest another early pick in a pass rusher. Quinn and Brochers miss too much time with injuries.
It’s Sims. He’s not an outside rusher. But then think about it…how many teams are 2 deep at right DE.
But then they HAVE won games without Quinn.
The issue for me is that they apparently can’t do that well without BOTH Quinn and Johnson.
IMO if Johnson plays yesterday they give up a field goal instead of a TD on at least one of those redzone moments, and win 28-27.
znModeratorBut everyone can see the results. At some point when you have enough data the statistics must mean something.
Actually this is where we differ.
I don’t believe a record is a verdict. I mean it is in terms of standings and who gets to the playoffs, but it’s not an explanation.
Different teams can have the same record for different reasons. I am more interested in the reasons.
AH BUT…reasonable people can disagree on those.
Meanwhile, when it comes to THIS coach, Fisher,there’s no such thing as Fisher diehard. I think everyone who defends him would just shrug and accept a coach change. IF that were even in the cards (which I doubt).
But in terms of the details and minutia, you don’t HAVE TO engage with that. Nothing obligates it. So for example I could demonstrate at length, with pie charts and stats, that no team that has to start a #2 caliber qb while ALSO dealing with an extensively damaged OL can do very well.
And you can always say, fine…I don’t care though. I don’t want Fisher anyway.
I did that in 2007 with Linehan. I said, this is as busted up bad injured as an OL can get, and it’s taking Bulger down with it (who among other things had to play with cracked ribs). And you can’t win like that. But I don’t care. I don’t like Linehan anyway.
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znModeratorTo me, losing Quinn is not just “an injury”.
Its a HUGE injury.I would say Quinn and Johnson at the same time, but, yeah.
To some that’s “excuse making.” I don’t know why but it is. But then folks differ. In contrast, to some that’s just hardcore frank real honest assessment.
znModeratorI must say–reading the boards–there are many Rams fans with incredible patience, and who will point out the various problems this team has that excuse any responsibility for the head coach
See, from a different perspective than yours, no one is doing that.
It’s not excusing anything and asssessment of the HC is real.
The other side of this coin is for someone like me to point out that (using my language here, which I will temporarily indulge, as opposed to your language) that autopilot coach blame is not real assessment. The way I see it, for example, going 7-9 last year with a bad qb (who started out okay but melted down) and a rebuilt, green, and very injured-up OL is a sign of GOOD coaching.
It is not the case that anyone is “excusing” the head coach. We are evaluating him differently. Now the problem here of course is that there’s room for disagreement. So you SEE a mediocre coach repeating a bad situation. I SEE a good coach dealing with tough circumstances. Since you SEE it a certain way, I am making excuses. Since I SEE it a certain way, you are stuck in autopilot coach blame.
Lots of places that leads to dismissive board wars.
Here, it’s supposed to lead to live-and-let-live recognition that people just see things differently.
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znModeratorLoss dampens breakout day for Rams receiver Kenny Britt
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/britt-732353-rams-offense.html
DETROIT – Kenny Britt sat quietly at his locker late Sunday afternoon, his body and head bobbing and weaving, the the music filling his ears from the red headphones he wore.
By all rights Britt had reason to be content after torching the Detroit Lions for 136 yards and two touchdowns on seven catches.
In every way imaginable it was a career day for the eighth-year Rams wide receiver from Rutgers. A day he had every right to enjoy and savor.
But the pained expression on his face told a completely different story.
As good as Britt was Sunday, and he was lethal as the offense way while piling up 387 yards and four touchdowns, it wasn’t enough in a bitter 31-28 loss to the Lions.
Britt should have been soaring to the Rams’ charter flight bound for London, satisfied that he and Case Keenum landed on the same page and the Rams offense was downright productive.
Instead, he quietly made his way to the team bus with all the other disappointed Rams.
“The outcome is everything, regardless of how well the offense played,” Britt said. “It’s all about how we all play together in all three phases. That means defense, special teams and offense.”
The defense could not hold up its end of the bargain, surrendering 10 straight points after Britt carried a slew of Lions across the goal line to put the Rams up 28-21 to begin the fourth quarter.
In the process, it denied Britt and the offense a chance to finally feel good about themselves after spending most of the first five games AWOL. Britt in particular, as he tormented the Lions secondary throughout.
Only to have to downplay the performance afterward out of respect to the final score.
“It’s one of the better games of this year,” he said about his performance. “But I know there are still things that I wanted to take back, like that third down that can get us some points on the board to help us out in that last stretch of the game.”
Said Rams coach Jeff Fisher: “Yeah, Kenny’s practicing hard and, you know, he’s very, very disappointed, you know? Usually those big days turn into wins, but it didn’t. Guys got open and caught the ball offensively. Every week’s a challenge, you know, we’ll push on.”
On the other hand, if it’s a sign of things to come from Britt and Keenum and the offense, at least that is a positive to build on.
“There’s still things you have to, win or lose, there’s going to be stuff that you can get better at,” Keenum said. “I thought we moved the ball well, just not enough. Unfortunately in this game, that’s the only stat that matters.”
Britt knows that as well as anyone.
Even on a career day, he couldn’t feel good about it.
znModeratorNote…my free access to the Times has expired for this month. Could someone follow the link and copy the rest of the article? Put it in this thread and when I can I will combine them.
The Rams will play the New York Giants on Sunday outside London and try to put a complete game together for the first time.
Thanks bnw. I will put that addition into the original post, and delete yours, so there is no confusion.
But I really appreciate it. Each month I get only a few days with the LA Times before I exhaust my quota of free access.
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znModeratorOnce again, a Rams team appears to be going nowhere
By VINCENT BONSIGNORE / STAFF COLUMNIST
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/rams-732347-lions-goal.html#
DETROIT – A slew of buses sat outside Ford Field on Sunday to transport a solemn group of Rams to Detroit Metro Airport. There, a charter plane was awaiting them amid the gray clouds and stillness of a mid-October evening on Michigan’s lower peninsula.
The destination was of no concern. Or significance really.
It doesn’t really matter much.
Six games into their triumphant return home to Los Angeles, it’s becoming painfully and frustratingly clear that all roads and flight patterns lead to the exact same place for the Rams. Head-first into a brick wall separating who they really are from what they aspire to be.
The Rams undoubtedly want to be a real player in the NFL. A complete, balanced group for whom winning is the norm and losing an occasional blip on the screen.
That’s what they want to be.
What they are, we learned once again in a bitterly frustrating 31-28 loss to the Detroit Lions on Sunday, is a team that can’t quite find the right pieces to complete the puzzle. Not consistently, anyway. And after watching them labor ever so taxingly even during their three victories this season, we’d be hard-pressed to remember a moment in which everything was clicking for them at the same time.
t makes you wonder, doesn’t it? Maybe this is who the Rams will always be under Jeff Fisher. Now in his fifth season, he’s yet to lead the Rams to a winning season. And after starting this year 3-1, the Rams are right back where they’ve always been after losing their last two games. Stuck in the quicksand of .500. Flailing away again in no-man’s land.
Maybe that’s just their destiny under Fisher. And why the Rams should not be in a hurry to renew their vows with him when his contract runs out at the end of the season.
“They’re disappointed, as they should be,” Fisher said of the Rams. “I’m disappointed, as I should be. The staff is disappointed. We couldn’t make that play that we needed to.”
How many times can we bear hearing that same tired response?
When can we say is enough is enough of incomplete football and sloppy play and silly penalties and bone-crushing turnovers?
“I’ve been here since 2010, this is my seventh season,” said guard Rodger Saffold, who has seen a whole bunch of losing and misery over those seven years. “I want this team to succeed more than anything. More than myself. So of course this hurts.”
As hard as they try, now matter what they change from players to schemes, the end game always seems the same.
On Sunday it didn’t matter that Case Keenum had a career day with 321 yards passing and three touchdowns and at one point brilliantly completed 19 straight passes.
Or that Kenny Britt turned into Calvin Johnson by grabbing seven passes for 136 yards, including a fiercely fought 9-yard touchdown in which he bull-rushed a group of Lions tacklers over the goal line.
As good as Keenum was, when it came right down to it he threw an ill-advised pass into triple coverage for a game-ending interception.
And as fantastic as Britt was, he wasn’t able to get the ball over the goal line late in the second quarter with the Rams looking to take a touchdown-lead over the Lions into intermission. That led to the Rams going for it on fourth down inches away from the goal line rather than kicking the field goal to take the lead. But Todd Gurley got stuffed behind the line of scrimmage, sending the Rams to the locker room without a score.
The three points they snickered at in favor of going for the touchdown ended up being the winning margin for the Lions.
See how this works out?
Even when things are going good, as they were for Keenum and Britt and an offense that moved up and down the field with ease Sunday, somehow, some way the Rams find a way to shoot themselves in the foot.
“I know that sounds like a broken record from last week, but I mean, we had the ball in our hands with a chance to go win the game and we didn’t,” Keenum said. “That’s frustrating.”
One step forward, two steps back.
Like the defense not being able to drive a stake in the Lions after the offense built a 28-21 at the start of the fourth quarter.
The same defense that has carried the Rams to their three wins was unable to answer the call.
On the touchdown drive the Lions mounted to tie the game, the Rams couldn’t turn the Lions away on four third-down situations. The result was an 8-play, 84-yard drive that ended with Golden Tate hauling in a 23-yard touchdown pass from Matthew Stafford to tie the game at 28-28.
“We can’t get to the quarterback,” Aaron Donald said, shaking his head. “He’s back there all day, passing the ball, making plays.”
And with a chance to get the ball back for the offense – or make a stand and force overtime – the Rams allowed a nine-play 43-yard drive in which Matt Prater kicked a 34-yard field goal to make it 31-28.
“Offense puts 28 points on the board and we couldn’t stop the opponent,” Donald said, disappointedly.
That seems to be the Rams’ reality. It’s why they’ve been mired in mediocrity for years.
They’ll land in London on Monday morning, but the location is of no significance. The Rams find themselves stuck in no man’s land again at .500.
It seems to be their destiny under Fisher.
znModeratorRich Hammond @Rich_Hammond
@JoeMarciano It was their in-house video people, who typically are allowed special access before us regular riff-raff are allowed in.
znModeratorDespite Strong Performances, Rams Fall to Lions, 31-28
Myles Simmons
DETROIT — Though the Rams received strong offensive performances from quarterback Case Keenum and wide receiver Kenny Britt, they could not get enough defensive stops and fell to the Lions, 31-28. With the loss, the Rams are now 3-3 on the season.
The Lions got off to a fast start offensively, driving down the field in eight plays for a touchdown on their opening possession. Quarterback Matthew Stafford connected with wideout Golden Tate for a 34-yard screen pass that brought the Lions down to the Rams’ seven-yard line. Then Stafford hit wide receiver Marvin Jones in the left side of the end zone for a touchdown, giving Detroit an early 7-0 lead.
Los Angeles put together a nice drive in response, culminating in Britt’s first touchdown reception of the season. Running back Todd Gurley led the charge with four carries for 29 yards on the possession — including a 15-yard scamper on the Rams’ first offensive play. On 2nd-and-5 from Detroit’s 20-yard line, Keenum rolled to his right, waited for Britt to find the soft spot in the zone, and delivered an accurate ball. Britt caught it, made a couple defenders miss, and found his way into the end zone for a 20-yard scoring strike.
After a defensive stop — punctuated by linebacker Josh Forrest’s tackle for loss on 3rd-and-1 — the Rams got back on the board with another long scoring drive. Keenum completed a pair of passes to Gurley in the flat on the drive, both of which went for 13 yards. And on 1st-and-goal from the one-yard line, Keenum faked a handoff to Gurley, then rolled to his right for an easy touchdown, giving the Rams a 14-7 lead.
The Lions would answer with a 14-play, 80-yard touchdown drive. Stafford found veteran wideout Anquan Boldin a few times on the possession to move the ball down the field. Then the Lions elected to go for it on 4th-and-goal from the L.A. two-yard line, and Stafford fond wide receiver Andre Roberts in the back of the end zone for for the game-tying touchdown.
Los Angeles had a chance to take a lead into halftime, but were not able to turn their two-minute drive into points. A 43-yard pass from Keenum to Britt brought the Rams into Detroit territory. And another pass from Keenum to Britt looked as if it may have gotten into the end zone on 3rd-and-goal from the Lions’ seven-yard line. Though the play was reviewed, the officials concluded Britt was about a half-yard short.
The Rams elected to go for it on 4th-and-goal with a handoff to Gurley, but the play was stuffed in the backfield for a loss to keep the score tied at 14 heading into halftime.
The second half began decidedly in the Lions’ favor, as Los Angeles committed a pair of false-start penalties to move a 3rd-and-5 play to a 3rd-and-15 deep in the visitors’ territory. After a short run on third down, Johnny Hekker’s first punt of the day went 54 yards, and was fair caught at Detroit’s 40-yard line.
But the Lions would cash in on their opportunity regardless, moving deep into L.A. territory with a deep pass from Stafford to Tate. With an offsides penalty on the Rams’ defense, Stafford recognized his opportunity to take a deep shot and did so successfully. While it initially looked like Tate had made it to the end zone, he was ruled down by contact. But a couple plays later, Stafford hit Boldin with a short pass in the end zone for a touchdown to take the lead.
L.A. wouldn’t be down for long, going down the field in six plays on the ensuing drive for a game-tying touchdown. Keenum hit Britt with a 47-yard pass to begin the possession, which the wideout saved from hitting the ground by keeping the ball between his legs. Keenum finished the drive with a 15-yard touchdown pass to tight end Lance Kendricks, which tied the game at 21.
The Rams’ defense held strong on the ensuing drive, forcing a three-and-out. And Los Angeles’ offense went right back to work, moving down the field for another scoring drive. Wideout Brian Quick made a pair of receptions for first downs to keep the chains moving. And then Keenum found Britt in the end zone for a nine-yard touchdown to give the Rams a 28-21 lead.
Also on that drive, Keenum broke Jim Everett’s 27-year old franchise record with 20 consecutive completions.
Detroit came back with a long drive to bring the score back to even. The Lions converted four third-down opportunities on a possession that lasted 8:07, culminating in a Tate 23-yard screen reception for a touchdown.
With the game tied at 28, L.A. went back to work at their own 25-yard line, but could not get anything going and had to punt.
The Lions took the lead on their ensuing drive, with a key 3rd-and-1 conversion on an 11-yard pass from Stafford to Boldin helping to sustain the drive. After the two-minute warning, defensive tackle Aaron Donald picked up Los Angeles’ first sack of the game. A screen pass to Tate came up just short of the marker on 3rd-and-13. But Detroit still went ahead with a 34-yard field goal, grabbing a 31-28 lead with just 1:29 left in the fourth quarter.
With the Rams out of timeouts, their drive started on the 25-yard line after a touchback. On the second play of the possession, Keenum threw his first poor pass of the day, as a ball intended for Kendricks over the middle was intercepted by safety Rafael Bush.
The Rams will now head to London to take on the Giants in Week 7.
znModeratorLions top Rams with game-sealing interception
By Kevin Patra
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000721839/article/lions-top-rams-with-gamesealing-interception
For the second straight week the Detroit Lions closed a win with a game-sealing interception. Safety Rafael Bush picked off Case Keenum to close a 31-28 win for Detroit (3-3). Jeff Fisher’s Los Angeles Rams fell to 3-3. Here is what you need to know:
1. Welcome to the 2016 season, Golden Tate. The Lions receiver paced an efficient offense that diced up a Rams secondary, which struggled without top corner Trumaine Johnson. Tate entered the game with 134 receiving yards in five games this season. He gobbled up 165 yards on eight catches and a touchdown Sunday. Tate finally got loose, breaking tackles after the catch and caught a deep bomb from Matthew Stafford. Stafford spread the ball around superbly again, but getting Tate involved was clearly a focal point with a beat up backfield.
2. The Lions’ defense made Case Keenum look like Joe Montana most of the afternoon. The Rams quarterback completed 19 consecutive passes at one point, a franchise record (let’s say that again: Case Keenum holds a Rams passing record! Case Keenum!). Keenum picked on pathetic Lions pass coverage over the middle, taking advantage of linebackers that couldn’t cover in space. The Rams’ passer went 27-of-32 passing (84 percent) for three touchdowns and added another score. Keenum was unstoppable until turning back into a pumpkin on his final pass, which was picked off.
The Lions’ defense was terrible all game but came up big when it mattered: Stuffing Todd Gurley on fourth-and-goal from the 1-yard-line to end the first half and closing the game out with an INT.
3. Kenny Britt’s career renaissance continued Sunday. Britt burned Detroit for seven catches on eight targets for 136 yards and two touchdowns. Britt used his 6-foot-3 frame to shield defenders from the ball on crossing routes and stretched the field for Keenum with two 40-plus yard receptions. Britt’s yardage didn’t all come against second-rate corners either as he beat Lions top CB Darius Slay several times. As Around The NFL Seer Chris Wesseling pointed out this week, Britt is one of the most overlooked reborn misfits in the NFL this season.
4. Zach Zenner carried the load for a banged-up Detroit backfield toting 14 times for 58 yards. It was the most efficient the Lions’ ground game has looked since Ameer Abdullah went on injured reserve. Justin Forsett’s debut was forgettable, carrying five times for five yards and he had a dropped pass. If Theo Riddick remains injured, Zenner should carry the load. The newly signed Forsett might not remain on the roster for the duration of the season.
Credit a maligned Lions offensive line (missing starting guard Larry Warford) for doing a solid job against Aaron Donald & Co. Stafford wasn’t sacked until final drive of the game.
5. Todd Gurley finally had space to run, averaging 4.1 yards per carry (came in averaging 2.7). Against a Lions defensive front seven missing several key players, Gurley actually got to the line of scrimmage without having to break 15 tackles on the way. With Keenum killing the Lions through the air, however, the game script went away from Gurley’s ground game. He had just 14 carries for 58 yards (eerily the same as Zenner).
6. Fourth down decisions provided huge momentum swings:
Jim Caldwell went for it on fourth down twice in the first half, including a fourth-and-goal from the 2-yard-line. The Lions converted on both — leading to two touchdowns.
Fisher went for a touchdown on fourth-and-goal from the 1-yard-line on the final play of the first half, eschewing a chance to take the lead with a field goal. Gurely was stuffed. Those three points would have come in handy at the end.
znModeratorCowboys are 5-1. They have a rookie QB, a rookie RB, no Dez Bryant, a banged up Online themselves, talent wise the worse defense in all the NFL. Their two pass rushers are just coming back from suspension
The idea that their OL is banged up is absurd. They have a former starter (Leary) playing for Collins. That’s not “banged up,” that’s what I always call relatively healthy. Replacing one guy is not a banged up line. Compare that to the Rams in 2007 when they lost 10 OL players, including 4 for the season and 6 for extended periods. It’s just not remotely the same.
And they are not starting a #2 caliber qb. They picked him because he is starting caliber and the future. That would be like calling Bulger a #2 caliber qb. Well no, Bulger was a starting caliber qb. The key operative word here is CALIBER. That’s why I always stress that word. Prescott’s certainly not the equivalent of Hill or Clemens…ie guys who are #2 caliber qbs and career back-ups.
Neither one of those things is what I talked about. And…enough. I answered your post but Jack we don’t argue in game reaction threads. Start a new thread if you have to continue with this for some reason. Me too. I can’t continue it either (and to be fair may have started it.) So let’s leave the Fisher Wars out of this thread. K?
znModeratorAny silver linings?
I know we would rather have wins.
But still.
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znModeratorIt all comes back to coaching. Our guys are not coached well to finish games.
Well apparently it all comes back to repeating that mantra regardless of the facts.
In the last 4 games they were down late. They won two, and lost two. So apparently they are capable of it.
One of the losses they were missing both Quinn and Johnson. That made a difference. Unless you want to argue that Quinn and Johnson were injured by Fisher.
As I said, Jack, I always like good attention to the facts over autopilot coach blame stuff.
znModeratorI just think this is a 7 win team without Q.
Today I think it’s more Johnson than Quinn. They have won before without Quinn. But with Johnson out, the D deteriorates more. With them BOTH playing they could win almost any game.
I know some will say that the pass rush helps the secondary but today what I saw was CB play falling below the Rams standard far more than you would expect.
Last year they went 3-2 with Keenum at qb, and Johnson playing but no Quinn.
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znModerator#Rams coach Jeff Fisher just kicked all camera people (still/video) out of locker room before talking to team
I bet the talk he had with his players without the media present
Notice the reporter says, only the camera people were kicked out.
So some of the media WAS present. The print people.
So whatever it was, he didn’t want it filmed…but nevertheless there were still reporters there.
znModeratorIt’s a tupsy-turvey season.
They were supposed to be a running team with Gurley, win with defense, and Keenum was just supposed to be a decent game manager…they didn’t have the receivers anyway.
Well the receivers are the best they’ve been since…jeez how long? 2006? Including Tavon, but especially Quick and Britt.
Keenum keeps them in games yes with smart game management but also a very good long game.
Gurley can’t get going (though he’s the best receiving RB outside of Faulk…since, forever)
And without Quinn and Johnson, the D can’t keep them in games.
znModerator3-3 again.
Okay Here are the years they’ve been exactly 3-3 since 1990.
2015
2013
2012
2010
1991
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znModeratorWell at least Hayes and Brockers are playing. But then we dont know
how effective they will be if they are playing hurt.No Tru, no Q. I dunno.
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vHayes playing means you can do other things with Westbrooks and Longacre.
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znModeratorit doesn’t account for the fact that this slide goes back to last year. the running game has been stuttering since last year.
Well that’s a good point, but to be absolutely precise, in his last 4 starts, Gurley had different outcomes game by game. He wasn’t sputtering in every game.
Stats = Attempts Yards Y/A TDs

Either way, IMO these guys are simply not going to put in schemes that do not conform to the players’s strengths. They’re not going to make a mistake like that. That’s the kind of mistake you expect from an entirely new staff.
It’s just more likely that the entire offense—not just the OL, not just Gurley, not just the qb—started the season out sputtering and misfiring.
In fact before last Sunday Keenum and Austin were misfiring on passes, where it wasn’t even clear who was doing the wrong thing. Then, last Sunday, bang, it clicked. That just sounds to me like guys who are half a page off in relation to one another. Just classic out of sync-ness.
And they didn’t just add new techniques. They changed the entire offense (Keenum spoke about this) DURING a move year. That means an offense that is still thinking not playing and doing that after a move–and right now being 3-2, the Rams are the only OTHER team in the history of football who were winning 5 games in after a move. Outside of that, move years are one long history of losing.
znModeratorNow, Martz does get credit for rebuilding the defense in 2001
And then letting it fall apart again.
Martz would not take the job with Banks at QB.
Martz DID take the job with Banks at qb. At the end of the season, DV and Shaw agreed to bring in veteran competition for Banks. DV hired Martz. They first looked at Gannon but he signed elsewhere. They next looked at Green, who was an obvious choice since Martz had been his qb coach in Washington. But Green’s agent said Trent would not sign unless he were named the starter. DV consulted with everyone, not just Martz, and the consensus was dump Banks. (Not just Martz but Stiles spoke about this process in the press. Martz did advocate dumping Banks but then so did DV’s old friend Stiles.) Then Martz also asked DV to sign Justin as the #2 qb. DV said no Warner was the #2 and Justin could not even compete for the job. That’s according to Martz.
A lot of people rate Martz higher than I do as a head coach. We just see it differently.
znModeratorIt all comes back to the coaching, along with the strength and conditioning as well.
So you keep saying but what you can’t do is offer evidence of that. It’s just this abstract formula…”injuries = coaching.”
If you have an actual argument based on evidence I am all ears. Just repeating stuff from autopilot coach-blame mode doesn’t do it for me.
znModeratorThe way you coach has a lot to do with the injuries. So they are on Fisher as well. I watched First Take and saw the guy nicknamed stink, but he has won a a couple of Super Bowls in Washington, and Denver with John Elway. So he should know. He admitted the way a coach trains his players in training camp, preseason, and practice, is tied to injuries. Whatever Fisher and his staff are doing, they should be changing, because these injuries should not be happening.
That’s bs Jack. Some guy talking at random on some show has no direct bearing on the Rams specific situation. It’s just drawing up one random comment from one place about one thing and trying to act like it applies specifically to the Rams somehow.
Plus of course qb and OL injuries go way back for the Rams and in fact cover 5 coaches (counting Haslett), 4 GMs, and 3 owners. So unless the logo caused all those injured OLs I don’t think you have much of a case. It was just statistically random.
October 15, 2016 at 11:04 pm in reply to: Groh has done a good job it seems coaching Britt & Quick #55360
znModeratorthat’s what i’m curious about. are they playing to the strengths of their players or forcing them into a scheme to which they are not suited?
I think the odds of that are remote at best. Boudreau has been coaching these guys since 2012. Boras has been a Rams coach for that long too. What are the odds they suddenly out of nowhere started mistaking what their own players are capable of and what they’re not.
Plus they acquired most of these players SINCE 2012. When they acquire players, they look for scheme fit.
znModeratorI think they are out of sync also… but I blame that squarely on Fisher. Why are the blocking schemes changed every effing year…. in today’s NFL with shortened practices…. continuity is important. BUt every year it’s a new this or new that.
I hate it.It;s not the blocking schemes, it’s the offense as a whole. You hire a coordinator you get his offense.
I am not sure I “blame” anyone because I haven’t yet seen where this ends up. If they straighten out I am just not going to be complaining that they only went 3-2 in their first 5 games.
The DC isn’t new. The ST coordinator isn’t new. The offense managed to scrape out 3 wins out of 5 while being out of sync. If that’s the reason they lost 1 of the 2 games they lost, then there’s a chance they get better. You can get a team to be in sync through the sheer force of time through reps. You can’t make a team that isn’t scrappy with heart, be scrappy and have heart.
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znModeratorThere is not a single thing you can say that I do not already know and haven’t factored in already.
Yes in a much weaker division against a much weaker schedule Spags managed to go 8-8. And that was with no injuries to the qb or the OL, which is the healthiest it has been before going back to 2006 and since.
See to me records are not answers. They’re questions. Why 8-8. Why 7-9. Look at the team and its circumstances. Contexts matter.
My football lite daughter can stare at a list of records and leap to conclusions without knowing more than that.
And besides, you can’t possibly believe that a record is the be all and end all of knowledge, because they’re a winning team right now, yet you’re complaining.
So part of you must believe the record isn’t this ironclad answer and you have to look closer.
znModeratorI saw this from another Rams board, and want to see what you think. It goes from George Allen on. Not in any order
Better than Fisher
Allen
Knox
Malavasi
Martz
Robinson
VermeilEqual to Fisher
Brooks
SpagnuoloWorse than Fisher
Linehan
ProthroIMO? That;s just a way off the mark list. The idea that Brooks or Spags are equal to Fisher? That shows to me a lack of knowledge about all 3. I mean frankly…and I know everyone has their views, but…that’s just preposterous.
Brooks and Spags are worse. Clearly and obviously. I am literally at a loss as to why anyone can think any different.
Martz inherited his team then wasted it. Same with Malavasi. I would not put them as equal. Fisher built his team. He did not inherit a winner.
I would put Allen, Knox, Robinson, and Vermeil as better.
My take on Fisher is that no coach does well if he loses his starting qbs without starting qb caliber back-ups (which are very rare) AND at the same time has to rebuild an OL.
Under those conditions you’re doing well to go 7-9. And he did do well to go 7-9.
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znModeratorI want to encourage folks to pitch in. It’s all for fun, no one is counting. I know the Bills game was deflating but still!
If it helps any…have some pie.


znModeratorWell….the rushes per yard should improve this week. Detroit is already bad in that category and add they are banged up and it leads to TG getting over the 100 hump this week.
That would be a good thing because controlling the clock will be key against Stafford and Co.
TG also has to protect the football. 2 fumbles last week was something he has to shake off. I don’t remember him having fumbleitis so it was just the way the game went, IMO.
All in all….I expect to see the TG from last year this week.
it could also be a case of gurley getting frustrated and trying to do too much.
Yeah…pressing.
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znModeratorI hope you’re right.
In the mean time, playcalling should be adjusted while the offense grows in sync.
There are some things that are working better than others, and they could go to those plays more often than they do – which in turn would relax the “pressing” in other areas.
So…I have officially started the Boras Skeptic Society. There will be a Facebook page soon.
If they are out of sync then playcalling makes no difference.
In terms of teams changing what they call, that happens all the time in the course of a season. This is a young team with basically a new OL. Knowing what to call for your personnel takes time. Compare GW’s first year with the D v. this year. They can adjust rapidly and were able to do things like shut down Buffalo in the 2nd half because GW knows what to do with these guys AND the players KNOW the system. Meanwhile Boras is new to them and they are new to Boras, as a coordinator, and that includes a relatively inexperienced OL, which is always tricky.
The last thing we want is to hire yet another NEW coordinator. But either way I don’t see problems in that regard. I just don’t. And I complained about the coordinator at length in 2006 (when it was really Linehan) and in 2011 (McD). I am not an automatic coordinator defender.
But back to the main point. If they are out of sync then our judgment of playcalling will not be based on anything. Under those conditions, what looks like a bad call could actually be a play screwed up by execution issues, and we would not be able to tell the difference (fans are notoriously incapable sometimes of sorting out execution from playcalling…because they cannot possibly know if a play was executed properly. Only a coach watching film can tell that.) So we may dislike a certain type of play NOW but then when they are settled in, and comfortable, and playing at a 2nd nature level, that very same play could work like gangbusters.
I will be on the Doubt Boras bandwagon on the other hand if the run game NEVER works, all season.
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znModeratorhmmmm…
Dickerson watched the Rams’ Week 4 game against Arizona alongside fellow Hall of Fame running back Marcus Allen, and they each saw one legitimate hole for Gurley to attack. During the Week 2 game against Seattle, Dickerson got a text from another Hall of Fame running back, Thurman Thomas, who wrote: “Man, that line is going to get Todd Gurley killed.”
And it’s not what it seems, IMO.
Something happened but I don’t think it;s what anyone thinks it is.
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