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znModeratorTomorrow, an off day for the Rams, is the deadline for players under contract to report in order to earn an accrued season for free agency. So, Aaron Donald will technically lose an accrued season. But it isn’t a big deal for him. Players need four accrued seasons to be unrestricted free agents. Donald entered this year with three and already had his fifth-year option picked up. He would basically have to also hold out past that deadline next year, too, for it to really affect him.
Alden Gonzalez, ESPN Staff Writer: http://www.espn.com/espn/now?nowId=21-0686350300168065471-4
znModeratorDowntown Rams @DowntownRams
Jared Goff hits Robert woods for two first downs in 11-on-11. Very quick and accurate passes towards the right sideline.
Cooper Kupp breaks away from Trumaine Johnson and catches a beautiful bucket throw from Jared Goff in the corner of the end zone.
WR Nelson Spruce just caught a pass from Dan Orlovsky to convert on 4th and long.
E.J. Gaines just broke up a pass intended for Robert Woods on a comeback route.
UDFA Justin Davis has caught two passes in a row from Sean Mannion.
Sean Mannion picked off by Michael Jordan on a long pass down the right sideline to close a 2 minute drill at the end of practice.
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Practice is over. Finished with a two minute drill for both 1’s and 2’s. 2’s oline beat a lot by 2nd def. couple o sacks for sure. 1’s oline better but allowed sacks also.
August 7, 2017 at 8:09 pm in reply to: Sy Hersh — DNC wasnt hacked, Seth Rich sold info to wiki #72044
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Seth Rich: Separating fact and speculation
Jon Greenberg
August 7th, 2017People who work in politics and suffer violent death are not often left in peace by conspiracy theorists. These aides and staffers don’t simply die, the theories go — they die for a reason.
The story of the 2016 shooting death of Democratic party worker Seth Rich has followed that pattern, with one important difference. A recent lawsuit alleges that Fox News and the Trump administration fueled an unsubstantiated narrative that Rich was the source of hacked Democratic National Committee emails that showed up on WikiLeaks.
The suit’s message is that both Fox News and the White House used the Rich story in an effort to neutralize the findings of the U.S. intelligence community that Russia was behind the stolen emails.
If true, this would raise serious questions about the role of the media and the government in spreading fake news.
But what do we really know at this point, and how much insight does the lawsuit really offer? We set out to separate the facts from the speculation.
The murder
Near dawn on July 10, 2016, the 27-year-old Rich was found with two fatal gunshot wounds near his home in Washington, D.C.
Rich was had been working on voter access projects for the DNC. The police believed he was the victim of a botched robbery. Bruises on Rich’s hands and face showed signs of a struggle, and his wallet, watch and cell phone were still on him when the police arrived.
Rich had been on a call with his girlfriend when the episode began. Police monitors picked up sounds of gunshots, and officers responded. The murder remains under investigation.
Those are the only certain facts in the story of the murder.
Rich’s death might have drawn no special attention if it weren’t for the release by WikiLeaks of hacked emails from the DNC about two weeks later on July 22, 2016. On Aug. 9, WikiLeaks head Julian Assange inserted Rich’s murder into stories about the DNC leaked emails, saying in a Dutch television interview that “others have suggested that (Rich was murdered).” Assange said he would not disclose if Rich was WikiLeaks’ source but described the risks people who leak information to WikiLeaks face.
A few days earlier, Assange had told CNN that WikiLeaks likes “to create maximum ambiguity as to who our sources are.” Still, Assange’s words stoked stories that Rich was the source of the DNC emails and had been targeted by Democratic loyalists in retaliation. There is no proof of this claim.
Fox News draws a lawsuit
Fast forward to May 16, 2017. Fox News reported that the FBI had proof that Rich had sent WikiLeaks “thousands of internal emails.”
Fox cited an anonymous federal investigator who said the FBI had the emails between Rich and WikiLeaks. It also quoted Rod Wheeler, a private investigator who was looking into Rich’s death on behalf of Rich’s parents , as saying, “My investigation up to this point shows there was some degree of email exchange between Seth Rich and Wikileaks.”
The Fox News report quoted Wheeler once more, “My investigation shows someone within the D.C. government, Democratic National Committee or Clinton team is blocking the murder investigation from going forward. That is unfortunate. Seth Rich’s murder is unsolved as a result of that.”
Wheeler disputed the way he was quoted after the report aired, and two months later, on Aug. 1, 2017, Wheeler sued Fox News and others for inventing those quotes.
“Mr. Wheeler – who was the only named source quoted in the article – did not make these statements,” his lawyer wrote in the filing.
Several versions of the Rich story, all based on the work of Fox News reporter Malia Zimmerman, appeared late in the evening on May 15 and throughout the day on May 16. The first, which showed up on the local Washington, D.C. Fox affiliate Fox 5, has Wheeler suggesting that there is evidence that tied Rich to WikiLeaks. By mid-morning on May 16, the national Fox News site posted a version with Wheeler speaking more definitively about Rich, WikiLeaks and efforts by Democrats to squash the police investigation.
Other news outlets started reporting that police were sticking by their finding of a botched robbery. NBC News, citing unnamed current and former law enforcement officials, reported that the D.C. police had examined Rich’s laptop and found it “never contained any e-mails related to WikiLeaks and the FBI never had it.”
Fact No. 1: Retraction
As we sort out facts from allegations, it’s important to note that on May 17, two days after the initial broadcast, the local Fox affiliate pulled its story. Fox News itself waited a week before releasing a statement saying, “The article was not initially subjected to the high degree of editorial scrutiny we require for all our reporting. Upon appropriate review, the article was found not to meet those standards and has since been removed.”
The recent lawsuit pressed Fox News to admit that it invented the quotes from Wheeler.
Bennett Gershman, a Pace University law professor and former prosecutor, said when it comes to what’s true and what isn’t, Fox News’ retraction is significant.
“The fact that Fox News withdrew the story is pretty good circumstantial evidence that either it found the story inaccurate or that it could not vouch for its accuracy.”
But Fox News’ retraction doesn’t specify what part of the story went astray.
A White House connection
Wheeler’s lawsuit added a significant twist to the story. It claimed that Ed Butowsky, a Trump supporter, paid him to investigate Rich’s death and brought Wheeler to a meeting with former White House spokesman Sean Spicer.
“Butowsky and Mr. Wheeler did in fact meet with Mr. Spicer on April 20, 2017, to keep him informed about the Seth Rich murder investigation,” the filing said. “Mr. Spicer was provided with a copy of Mr. Wheeler’s investigative narrative and asked Butowsky and Mr. Wheeler to keep him abreast of any developments in the case.”
Fact No. 2: Spicer meeting confirmed
NPR was the first news organization to get a copy of the lawsuit, and it followed up with Spicer.
“Spicer now tells NPR that he took the meeting as a favor to Butowsky,” the NPR report said. “Spicer says he was unaware of any contact involving the president.”
The timing of the meeting among Spicer, Butowski and Wheeler is significant. It came about three weeks before the Fox News broadcast in May. Then, right after the Fox News report hit, Spicer was asked for a reaction. Spicer dodged the question.
“I generally don’t get updates on former DNC staffers,” Spicer said May 16. “I’m not aware of that.”
Spicer said it would be inappropriate to comment on what he believed was an open investigation.
Alleged Trump involvement
The lawsuit goes on to cite texts, emails and recordings with Butowsky saying that President Donald Trump had seen a draft of the Fox News report and was eager to see it published.
“Not to add any more pressure, but the president just read the article,” said a text on May 14 from Butowsky to Wheeler. “He wants the article out immediately. It’s all up to you. But don’t feel the pressure.”
Did Trump actually know about the article? Butowsky told NPR he was “kidding.”
We asked Gershman and Rory Little, a criminal law professor at UC Hastings College of the Law, if Butowsky’s texts and emails proved any actual connection to Trump. They both said they did not. Butowsky might have exaggerated the role of the White House in order to push Wheeler forward.
Much more direct evidence would be required, they said.
Gershman said an investigator would need “calls, emails, meetings, or any other evidence establishing that Butowsky in fact had contact with any White House operative, whether those contacts involved the Seth Rich story, and whether there was a plan or even a suggestion to disseminate false news accounts about the case.”
Missteps by Fox News
The lawsuit argues not only that Fox News was slow to retract its story, but also alleges that when Wheeler complained that the report included statements he never made, he was told that “bosses at Fox News (wanted) to keep the false quotes in the story.”
According to the suit, Butowsky instructed Wheeler to “highlight (that) this puts the Russian hacking story to rest.” The suit argues that the entire purpose of bringing on Wheeler had been to lift the cloud of Russian interference that was hanging over the Trump White House.
Does Fox News’ retraction prove that it was complicit in that plan? The media law experts we reached said the retraction doesn’t prove that.
“We don’t know the underlying facts,” said Clay Calvert at the University of Florida. “His allegations might be completely false.”
Calvert cautioned that “many will speculate that Fox News works hand-in-glove with the Trump administration in an unofficial capacity.” But that is unproven.
Charles Glasser, a media lawyer who over the years has represented Fox News and Bloomberg and now teaches at the NYU Graduate School of Journalism, faulted Fox News for leaving itself open to that sort of theory.
“To merely retract the story without an explanation, it’s not unreasonable that your readers will say there’s something more going on here,” Glasser said.
In the past, news organizations published what Glasser called an autopsy of what went wrong. Fox News has not done that.
Glasser said the retraction shows the failure of editorial oversight.
“The core question is, how did this get published?” Glasser said.
We don’t know what happened at Fox News, but the most common reason, Glasser said, is an editor and a reporter were “writing to a headline.”
“There is a preconceived idea about X and you cherry-pick facts or ignore facts to make the case,” Glasser said. “That’s not what we as journalists are supposed to do.”
Fox News issued a statement from president of news Jay Wallace, who said, “The accusation that FoxNews.com published Malia Zimmerman’s story to help detract from coverage of the Russia collusion issue is completely erroneous. The retraction of this story is still being investigated internally, and we have no evidence that Rod Wheeler was misquoted by Zimmerman.”
We might never learn the truth
Every legal expert we reached warned that it’s possible that the public might never learn what happened. Civil suits are often settled with no admission of guilt and with robust nondisclosure agreements.
Well before that, Fox News might win a motion to dismiss the case. However, if it fails, then the suit moves into the discovery phase where Wheeler can compel Fox News to share documents and emails.
Glasser said at that point, Fox News might have something to worry about.
“In discovery, it’s ‘Katie bar the door,’ because those documents get leaked all the time,” Glasser said.
It would be in keeping with the trajectory of conspiracy theories that the unsubstantiated story of Seth Rich and WikiLeaks has spun off another storyline to follow, with its own presumed trail of skullduggery.
znModerator🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌@JaredGoff16 ➡️ @CooperKupp for 6️⃣! #RamsCamp pic.twitter.com/ArUIS1yVaX
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August 7, 2017 at 7:24 pm in reply to: Thomas Passes Physical, Marquez Waived, Rams lack vertical threat? Is it Thomas? #72034
znModeratorRams still lack a vertical threat for Sean McVay’s offense
Alden Gonzalez
IRVINE, Calif. — Josh Reynolds ran short sprints between the two practice fields at UC Irvine. Mike Thomas caught passes from punter Johnny Hekker in the end zone. Tavon Austin just stood there, watching while Jared Goff and the rest of the first-team offense navigated through a light, one-hour practice on Sunday afternoon. Another day went by without the three guys — the only three guys, really — who are expected to be vertical outside threats for the Los Angeles Rams. They were heavy on slot receivers before, but it’s even more so the case now.
Thomas has been dealing with a hamstring injury, but he is nonetheless suspended for the first four regular-season games for violating the NFL’s policy on performance-enhancing substances. Reynolds has a quad injury, but the 2017 fourth-round pick is still a little raw for the NFL. The one that hurts the most is Austin, who spent the entire offseason program recovering from wrist surgery and has sat out the past five practices because of a tender hamstring.
The Rams will be counting on receiver Tavon Austin to give them an explosive threat on the outside. Paul Rodriguez/Zuma Press/Icon Sportswire
“It’s a little bit of a setback,” Rams coach Sean McVay said. “But the way we look at it is a setback is a setup for a comeback, and I think he has a good mindset about it.”McVay called Austin’s hamstring “a day-to-day thing,” something the Rams will be extra cautious about given his reliance on speed and quickness. When Austin does return, he’s going to have a lot of catching up to do. The Rams are installing a completely different offense and want Austin to play a different role as an outside vertical threat, a skill set he hasn’t really flashed in four prior NFL seasons.
“Tavon is a smart guy; he’s played in this league a long time,” offensive coordinator Matt LaFleur said. “The thing that you’re missing out on is just getting that timing down with your quarterbacks. I think that’s kind of a big deal. But we have a lot of faith in his ability to bounce back and he’s very attentive in our meetings and when we’re out on the field, so he’s getting those mental reps.”
The Rams were also without Bradley Marquez, who had been nursing a knee injury and was waived on Monday. They were so shallow on receivers recently that they were forced to sign three new ones in a span of two days last week: KD Cannon out of Baylor, C.J. Germany out of Notre Dame College and former quarterback Justin Thomas out of Georgia Tech. They now have 13 receivers on the roster, 11 of whom are first- or second-year players.
And none of them is named DeSean Jackson.
Jackson is one of the game’s greatest vertical threats, and McVay benefited from his presence greatly while serving as Washington’s offensive coordinator the past three years. Having a reliable downfield target who can take the top off defenses “softens coverage,” McVay said, “and it eliminates you having to go 12, 15 plays down the field because of the ability to create explosives. We’re always looking for ways to create explosives.”
With the Rams, McVay doesn’t really have a player who can consistently beat defenses over the top. It’s why his offense will probably look completely different. It was evident during Saturday’s joint practice against the Los Angeles Chargers, when the vast majority of Jared Goff’s completions traveled 10 yards or fewer, with a sizable amount coming after play-action rollouts. Receivers like Robert Woods, Cooper Kupp and Pharoh Cooper thrive in the short-to-intermediate passing game, as do tight ends like Tyler Higbee and Gerald Everett.
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“I know we have a lot of slot-body guys,” Woods said, “but I feel like our guys can definitely roll. And if we hit them on intermediate routes throughout the whole game, something’s going to pop, because they’re going to have to step down eventually and play us honest. And that’s when we just run right by them.”Longtime defensive coordinator Wade Phillips faces off against McVay every day and will tell you his offense “creates a lot of problems.” Woods believes McVay’s concepts will keep defenses honest and prevent them from jumping routes.
“We do have a lot of slot guys,” Cooper said, “but our offense lets everybody play every different position.”
Cooper is a perfect example. He’s 5-foot-11, carrying the label of a slot receiver from his collegiate days at South Carolina. But Cooper has been receiving the bulk of the first-team snaps in Austin’s absence, lining up as an X and Z receiver on the outside, positions Cooper said he feels “very comfortable” playing.
“They teach it very well, so I know the concepts,” Cooper added. “I plan to play a big role.”
Cooper might, but given a clean bill of health, the Rams will seemingly go with Austin, Woods and Kupp on three-receiver sets. They’re hoping the 5-8 Austin can be that vertical threat on the outside. Perhaps not to Jackson’s level, but close enough so that opposing teams aren’t stacking the box to stop running back Todd Gurley. They believe Austin’s straight-line speed alone will make him a weapon downfield.
But they need to see it play out on the field.
“I know he’s anxious to get out there,” McVay said. “We’ll see if he can do some of those things when he gets back out for us.”
August 7, 2017 at 2:44 pm in reply to: Thomas Passes Physical, Marquez Waived, Rams lack vertical threat? Is it Thomas? #72029
znModeratorThe poster here doesn’t give a source but he’s routinely dependable and the comment is no doubt based on a source, just uncited (he does that).
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Marquez Waived Injured, will revert to IR
znModeratorSo i guess Jamie will be captured now? And that sets up the meeting between the King-slayer and the Slayed-King’s daughter?
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vHope not. I think we’ve seen enough of Jaimie as a prisoner.


znModeratorRams quarterbacks efficient in first practice with Chargers
Joe Curley
CARSON — Los Angeles’ two NFL teams met on the practice field Saturday and a fight, contrary to the marketing slogan, did not break out.
Instead, the Rams capped their first week of training camp with a solid performance against the Chargers that featured Jared Goff shining in the two-minute drill, Todd Gurley finding the end zone without being touched and no significant injuries.
Which made the day, one week before the team opens the preseason schedule against the Cowboys at the Coliseum. an overall success.
“There was some good, some bad, some things we need to clean up, but I thought it was great work that we got today,” Rams head coach Sean McVay said.
Goff completed 23 of 35 passes across seven different drills, which included both 11-on-11 and 7-on-7 situations.
The second-year quarterback was especially strong in the two-minute portion of the full team drills, when he marched the team to the Chargers 8 by completing 8 of 11 passes for 68 yards.
“I thought he settled in,” McVay said. “I thought he did a nice job in the two-minute drill taking completions, being smart with the football and then at the end where we did a little bit of move the ball, he made some good third-down throws.”
Backup Sean Mannion completed 15 of 27 passes, including 8 of 12 during the 7-on-7 segments. Both quarterbacks struggled during the third-down drill, combining to complete just 2 of 10 passes.
There weren’t many explosive gains in the passing game, but neither quarterback threw an interception.
“I felt good,” Goff said. “I thought for the most part, we moved the ball pretty well, especially in that two-minute drill there. I was really happy with what we were doing up front.”
The defense had an up-and-down day against Philip Rivers and the Chargers offense without starters Michael Brockers, Robert Quinn and Lamarcus Joyner.
“We just wanted to be smart,” McVay said. “We’ve got a maintenance program in place with Robert Quinn and Lamarcus just had a little tweak to his back, but he should be good.”
Versatile offensive lineman Andrew Donnal was not in uniform and had a brace on his left leg.
Undrafted rookie Kevin Davis had an interception of Chargers quarterback Michael Bercovici, the former Westlake High quarterback, who also had a touchdown run.
Another Westlake High product, Rams receiver Nelson Spruce, caught a touchdown pass from Mannion and also had some work on both punt teams.
McVay called the exercise “invaluable” for the Rams.
“The Chargers have some great players — Melvin Ingram, (Joey) Bosa, (Casey) Hayward on the corner, so I thought it was great work where it’s a little bit different structure than what we’re typically accustomed to seeing from our defense every single day,” McVay said.
znModeratorJared Goff provided a glimmer of hope Saturday for Rams
VINCENT BONSIGNORE
Through the haze of the early-evening sunset Saturday at StubHub Center, a glimmer of hope emerged for the Rams.
t came and went as fast as Melvin Ingram bursting off the edge of the line of scrimmage toward an opposing quarterback. And it will be long forgotten by the time the Rams return to practice Sunday at UC Irvine, let alone when they kick off next week against the Cowboys in their preseason opener or when they welcome the Colts to the Coliseum the second week of September to open the regular season.In the whole scheme of things, it was nothing more than a footnote in a 16-game NFL season.
But it was there nonetheless, witnessed by the several thousand Chargers season-ticket holders who showed up at StubHub Center to watch the Chargers and Rams practice together.
Toward the last half of practice, the two teams lined up 11 on 11 in a two-minute drill. It was first-team offense against first-team defense, the ball being set down 70 yards from the opposing end zone.First up was the Rams and second-year quarterback Jared Goff who, operating exclusively out of the shotgun, marched the Rams down the field while completing 8 of 10 passes.
The drive ended short of the Chargers goal line when Goff threw out of the end zone on third down rather than try to force the ball into tight coverage. His phase of the drill was done at that point, but the work he put in and the results it elicited were not lost on anyone.
The Rams have invested heavily in Goff, and it goes well beyond even the six draft picks they traded to move to the top of the 2016 draft to select him first overall. They hired a new coach in Sean McVay with an offensive background and experience in developing quarterbacks. And he, in turn, surrounded himself with an offensive staff heavy on offensive and quarterback development.
They reached into the free agent market to add a reliable wide receiver in Robert Woods and an elite left tackle in Andrew Whitworth. They took a deep dive at wide receiver and tight end in the draft with Gerald Everett and Cooper Kupp and Josh Reynolds.
These were necessary moves to try to inject life into an offense that ranked dead last in far too many NFL categories. But also to help expedite the development of Goff, for whom so much was invested and so much is expected.
And while his performance Saturday will soon fade from memory, it was one of those signposts teams like to see on the often bumpy road from which quarterbacks are either or made or broken.
The last time we saw Goff share the field against a team other than the Rams, he was was a shell-shocked, beaten-down rookie whom the Arizona Cardinals terrorized with seven sacks. It was the seventh and final leg of a demoralizing rookie season in which Goff continually operated under pressure behind a hapless offensive line and alongside wide receivers who struck little fear in anyone.
On Saturday, playing behind a rebuilt offensive line and a retooled receiving corps, Goff looked confident and decisive as he smartly and prudently moved the Rams down the field connecting on short passes to Woods and second-year wide receiver and tight end Pharoh Cooper and Tyler Higbee.
With the Chargers scheming to take away the big pass, Goff didn’t try to force the issue by driving the ball into dangerous areas and tight windows.
“Taking what they gave us,” Goff said afterward. “They were playing their base defense, and with what they brought the underneath stuff was open so when it’s there you keep taking it.”
Or, as McVay put it: “Being smart with the football.”
Those are sacred words for a head coach, especially one with an offensive background like McVay. No need to try deliver ball into nearly closed windows when targets are bound to be open somewhere on the field.
Sometimes they’re identified on a pre-snap read, sometimes by taking the necessary time to survey the field. Point being, there’s usually a safe place to throw a ball on any given play. Even if it’s out of the end zone to preserve a shot at a field goal.
In fact there’s a drill McVay puts his quarterbacks through in which they slowly, methodically scan from one read to the next on their read progression before finally throwing the ball. It forces them to slow down and look at every potential receiving target.
Goff did that Saturday in the two-minute drill. The reward was a segment of practice tape he’ll be satisfied to scour over.
“There were a lot of things I thought we did good, there were a lot of things I feel we need to work on,” he said. “Off the top of my head I can point to a couple, but I thought for the most part we moved the ball pretty good especially in that two-minute drill.”
It helped that, for the most part, the rebuilt offensive line he’s playing behind gave him pockets to work from.
“I was really happy with what we were doing up front. Really confident, really felt good.”
Goff is by no means a finished product. Coming from a spread offense in college in which he operated mostly out of the shotgun, he still looks more comfortable in that setting than under center. Balancing that out is a constant point of emphasis in camp
“That’s the biggest thing is figuring out a way to transition some stuff where you’ve been in the gun and then operating under center with some of the play actions and bootlegs and just dropping back from under center,” McVay said. “But I think he’s doing a nice job finding his rhythm, getting more comfortable every day.”
Saturday was one of the more comfortable days.
It was provided just the tiniest glimmers of hope.
But it was a glimmer of hope nonetheless.
znModeratorDragons in armor?
Could they even still fly? As far and as long?
Who would put it on them? (You do it. No you do it.)
For that matter, who would measure them? (Lie still. Just one more minute…).
I realize that we’re serious about reducing injuries to dragons.
But you can go too far. I mean, why not just make them wear dresses.
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znModeratorTraining Camp Report: Quick Hits From Day 8
Kristen Lago
The Rams were back on field at their temporary home of UC Irvine today for Day 8 of training camp. After the team’s joint practice with the Los Angeles Chargers at the StubHub Center yesterday, this afternoon’s practice was markedly lighter and shorter in nature.
Sunday’s practice ran just over an hour and was used mainly as a walk-thru period for the players with no pads or helmets. But there was still some information about the team to be taken away from Day 8 – here’s what you need to know:
FIELD-LEVEL OBSERVATIONS
After a physical afternoon with the Chargers, today marked a much more mental practice for the Rams. The team went through about 90 reps on both offense and defense focusing on the formation and execution of every play.
Head coach Sean McVay said that after watching the film from their joint practice he believed there was both good and bad to be taken away. Going forward the team will emphasize tightening their technique overall and coming together as a unit before they take on the Chargers for their second joint practice on Wednesday.
There was some reshuffling of the offensive line throughout Sunday’s drills, including the movement of offensive guard Jamon Brown and offensive tackle Rob Havenstein. With a high risk of injury over the course of the season, offensive line coach Aaron Kromer along with McVay are continuously trying to figure out the best combination for the line – making sure other players are willing and able to step up should a starter go down. McVay said the team will continue to experiment with the line as training camp continues.
Many of the plays executed today included throwing to the tight end position. Tyler Higbee, Gerald Everett, and Temarrick Hemingway continued to assert themselves as the top three in their position group, recording a slew of receptions from quarterback Jared Goff.
After a standout performance yesterday, running back Todd Gurley walked through select running and passing routes in this afternoon’s practice. Though Gurley has been known in the past mainly for his big runs, he could be more of a target at receiver this coming season. Throughout Day 8, Gurley caught a variety of short passes and worked with all three quarterbacks early on in the red zone drills.INJURY WATCH
– Wide receivers Tavon Austin and Josh Reynolds remained sidelined for today’s practice. McVay told reporters that both were “day to day” with hamstring and quad issues.
– Offensive tackle Andrew Donnal and wide receiver Bradley Marquez were also mentioned as two newly injured players. Both are suffering from “knee tweaks” and will be out for the next week or so.
– On both sides of the ball a select number of veteran players were limited in today’s practice in an effort to keep them fresh and healthy heading into next week. Those players included left tackle Andrew Whitworth, outside linebacker Connor Barwin, guard Rodger Saffold, and center John Sullivan.
– Running back Lance Dunbar also remains out indefinitely with a knee injury.
PRESS POINTS
After practice McVay addressed the media to discuss his thoughts on week one of training camp as well as his plans going forward. Catch up on his most interesting point of the day and check out his full interview here.
SEAN McVAY:
On what has stood out to him so far from this week of training camp: “I just think it’s the way that we’re coming together and what’s been really fun is you watch some of these leaders take command of the team and then everybody kind of falls in line. Seeing guys like Alec Ogletree, Connor Barwin really step up, watching on the offensive side of the ball the Andrew Whitworth’s, the maturation of Jared Goff and Todd Gurley, so I could go on and on – John Sullivan has been great. I think it’s just how refreshing it’s been to see the leaders on the team be the guys that are setting the standards and what it looks like and then everybody kind of falls in alignment.”
The Rams will be back for Day 9 of training camp tomorrow afternoon before the players receive their second day off on Tuesday.
znModeratorRams may make changes to offensive line
By Rich Hammond,
http://www.dailynews.com/sports/20170806/rams-may-make-changes-to-offensive-line
IRVINE >> For most of the offseason, the Rams believed they had discovered the correct mix on their offensive line. Now, with less than five weeks until the regular-season opener, they want to verify.
In a brief, breezy practice Sunday afternoon at UC Irvine, the Rams switched up their line and flipped Jamon Brown, who went to right guard, and Rob Havenstein, who went to right tackle. Coach Sean McVay indicated the Rams would explore that new look at practices throughout this week.
“Just like we always do, we’re really just trying to figure out the best combination, in terms of how we want to do things,” Coach Sean McVay said after practice. “I think we feel really good about what Jamon and Rob have done on that right side, but with Rob’s history playing tackle and Jamon’s history playing guard, we also want to have contingency plans in place, if one of them were to go down.”
It’s not really a new look. Brown and Havenstein have played the bulk of their respective NFL careers at guard and tackle, respectively, and in one of the Rams’ most productive offensive games last season, at Detroit, they started next to each other in those roles.
It is, however, a departure from the Rams’ offseason program, when things appeared to be settled.
The first domino fell in March, when the Rams signed veteran left tackle Andrew Whitworth. That sent oft-maligned Greg Robinson to right tackle, which sent Havenstein to right guard.
Then, after the Rams demoted (and later traded) Robinson, they moved Brown, a former part-time starter at guard, to right tackle. It was a curious choice, given that Havenstein had thrived at right tackle as a rookie in 2015, but the Rams seemed pleased with the development of both players at new positions.
There’s a chance that this only is a short-term experiment, but given that the Rams open their preseason schedule Saturday against Dallas at the Coliseum, it’s an interesting time to experiment. The Rams practice Monday, have an off day Tuesday, then scrimmage against the Chargers on Wednesday.
“This was something we had talked about as a staff last week,” McVay said. “We just didn’t want to make that move before the practice (against the Chargers on Saturday), but I think we’ll get an opportunity over the next couple days to explore those guys playing guard and tackle, and see how they do when we practice against the Chargers on Wednesday.
“So I think it will give us an opportunity, as we’re moving closer to the season, to find that best mix.”
The Rams certainly need some continuity and stability before their Sept. 10 season opener against Indianapolis. The middle and left side of the line seem settled, with Whitworth, left guard Rodger Saffold and center John Sullivan,
McVay said Sunday’s change had nothing to do with Saturday’s scrimmage, in which the Chargers’ defensive front had some success. In fact, most of that damage was done by Chargers defensive end Melvin Ingram, who lined up against the left side of the Rams’ line.
“They have a lot of good rushers,” McVay said of the Chargers. “The biggest thing is, now that we’ve seen a few things they do, we’re ready to adjust if they give us the same thing (on Wednesday). I think it was a great opportunity to test some of our guys up front, with the way that they attacked us, and it was great to go up against a different defense and discuss some things.”
znModeratorEpisode 4 was a good one I thought. Best of season 7 so far?
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znModeratorWell depends on what you mean by prove it. Show progress and the ability to develop? Win a lot? Either way you would think McVay knows what he’s looking for.
August 6, 2017 at 4:17 am in reply to: Rams, Chargers meet for first neighborly practice Saturday #71960
znModeratorThere’s a camp report from that practice at the end (or the end as of this moment) of the camp report thread: http://theramshuddle.com/topic/camp-reports-728-1-so-far/#post-71959
znModeratorRamsfan1971 camp report (from the RFU board): Rams/Chargers practice 8/5
I had a friend with season tickets for Chargers season. He is a Steelers fan, but bought them so that when Steelers come to LA, he will already have tickets. I went to the practice today. I was surprised at how many Rams fans did make it to the practice even though it was for season seat holders. This practice was similar to the one the Rams had for season seat holders at the Coliseum last year. Let me start by saying the Stubhub Center is a great venue to watch a game. Only 30,000 seats , so no bad seats in the house. Easy parking, great concessions, and easy to get around. I hope the New Ram stadium follows suit. As for fans, not even half of the stadium was full. Last year, the Rams practice at the Coliseum was about 1/3 full, which would have filled the SH Center. I will say, Chargers fans were nice and accommodating to all the fans in Rams gear.
Last year, I went to quite a few practices in Irvine and wrote updates. I am not going to go over play by play from what I saw. I will give an over all sense or feeling on how our Rams did against the Chargers and compared to last year. I spent my day in the the endzone the Rams offense was working today. As for most of us, the offense is the biggest concern given how horrible we were last year. Here is what I saw today.
First half of practice Rams 1’s OFF against Chargers 1’s- started off running Gurley. A few plays there was actually a little day light for him to run. After watching him go for numerous plays for a loss last year, he was decisive and quick to the hole. When Goff went back to throw, pressure came from the Right side fairly consistently. He threw to Gurley early and TE on outs. It is hard to get a sense of the run game sense there was no actual tackling. Refs sometimes blew the whistle and some time did not even though the play would have been over.
7 on 7’s did not fair well for either Goff or Mannion. Both were inaccurate throwing more than 15 yards down the field. The Rams went about 6 straight plays over throwing the receiver either short or long routes. I was very disappointed to see both Goff and Mannion not be able to complete a pass without any pressure.
RedZone practice 7 on 7’s- Goff did much better. He threw a couple of td passes and was able to move in chunks. When they moved to 11 on 11, it was a little more difficult to move the ball, but a few td passes were completed as well.
At the end of practice they did 2 minute drills and 11 on 11 scrimmage with the offense starting at their own 20. Goff threw 4 straight 10 yd outs to the right side for completions. Receivers were all covered tightly. Goff moved the team to inside the 10 and then they blew the whistle and it was the Chargers turn. I am not sure if the 2 minutes was up or they had just used the aloted time. Goff continued to get rid of the ball quickly to short routes and did not look down field very often. On one play, he had Woods open about 20 yds crossing route, but chose to throw to TE for 5 yd gain.
Over all sense of Offense- The Chargers defense did not dominate us during the practice. It was about even going back and forth . My concerns–The line continues to have leaks allowing pressure to our young qb. He will not survive long given a couple of times guys came clean right up the middle. Rams worked the passing game, but I was not impressed. A lot of short passes to the outside. We saw a lot of that last year. We do not seem to use the middle or the left side of the field very well yet. Our receivers get very little separation from db’s. That means Goff better be extremely accurate. I hope McVay was just calling his Vanilla plays, because I did not see much creativity. Hopefully he is saving it for the games.
Our Defense- While I was not focusing on just the D, I do believe they held their own. There were times Rivers threw to a guy who was wide open (we do not see Rams receivers with that type of separation). Some went for td’s, some were dropped, and some never would have taken place because our Dline would have sacked him. I will say that Donald’s absence is very noticeable. We need to get him signed and creating havoc again.
What was the noticeable difference between the two teams– Rivers. His experience and command of the offense was very obvious. He knew where the open receiver would be and what audible to call to get them open. Our D did a great job, but they will not be able to shut out every team. For us to be competitive, our O and qb’s will need to make giant strides. Hopefully we see a big difference a week from today against the Cowboys.
znModeratorMerlin … some follow-up
On Goff. I’m going off the speed and decisiveness of him dishing the ball. Some plays are crisp and fast and the way you want them, others not so much with him holding that ball past the 2-3 second mark. Those plays I was mentally logging as defensive wins.
Only ones who could probably tell you the truth on that are the Rams’ offensive staff. From my perspective I’d say he’s gotta be quicker on his reads. I’d say there were times he should have thrown it away. And again I’d like to see the ball come out faster overall as well as things like him controlling the safeties with his eyes/looking off and whatnot. Tbh he might be doing that already but I couldn’t see it.
August 6, 2017 at 2:19 am in reply to: Rams, Chargers meet for first neighborly practice Saturday #71957
znModeratorTodd Gurley Touchdown Run
Check out this touchdown run by Todd Gurley during the Rams’ joint practice with the Chargers at StubHub Center.
http://www.therams.com/videos/videos/Todd_Gurley_Touchdown_Run/838d2bda-ea0f-435c-95b8-6b10ec0e4e04
August 6, 2017 at 1:58 am in reply to: Rams, Chargers meet for first neighborly practice Saturday #71955
znModeratorTraining Camp Report: First Joint Practice with the Chargers
Kristen Lago
On the same day in which football legends LaDainian Tomlinson and Kurt Warner were enshrined into the Pro Football Hall of Fame, their former teams took the field at the StubHub Center for their first of two joint practices. In what proved to be a very big teaser to the start of NFL gamedays, the Rams kicked off Day 7 of Training Camp with a competitive and exciting afternoon on the field.
Today’s practice featured a variety of different drills ranging from full-team work to individual drills and just about everything in between. All 180 players from both sides were in high spirits, showcasing their athleticism and energy throughout the two-hour practice. Here’s what you missed from Rams Camp Day 7 – Joint Practice Edition:
TOP TAKEAWAYS
1. A friendly neighborhood matchup:
Even though the Rams and Chargers did not participate in live tackling, the intensity remained high throughout the entire afternoon. The practice began with a series of individual drills taking place at both end zones, with each team working on various positional warm-ups and stretches.
Then it was game-time… Sort of.
The field was split in half as each side got the chance to work on red zone drills and midfield work, switching off at each end. The Rams’ offense opened up their run-game routes, letting running back Todd Gurley loose on a selection of different plays. During one portion of the 11-on-11 drills Gurley managed to misdirect the Chargers’ defense running straight up the middle before cutting back to his left and taking it in to the endzone.
McVay was happy to let Gurley stretch his legs against another team’s defense, describing the back as a “violent runner,” impressed with his ability to power through the gaps and break would-be tackles.
“He did a great job getting it out into the open field and there was a couple where he’s reading it one gap at a time on some of the schemes we have and you can feel his speed once he gets to the corner,” McVay said of Gurley’s work during Day 7. “He’s a guy that has been motivated and has been a standout throughout the offseason program and it’s been the same throughout camp and we’re expecting big things from Todd.”
.@JaredGoff16 ➡️ @Ty_Higs19 🙌 pic.twitter.com/ub4gbF8BFC
— Los Angeles Rams (@RamsNFL) August 6, 2017
Both teams finished off with an assortment of situational drills taking up the full length of the field. It was during this portion of practice that the sidelines really came alive, giving the stadium a true game-like feel, specifically during the two-minute drills. The Rams’ hard work on the field allowed the team some valuable experience going up against another system and will be very helpful in evaluating what the Rams will need to work on throughout the next phase of training camp.
“I think there was some good stuff that we saw and until you really get the chance to go back and look at the tape – especially because we were doing some two-spot stuff and I was a little bit more involved in the offense,” McVay said of the joint practice. “There was some good, some bad, some things we need to clean up, but I thought it was great work that we got today.”
“It will be a great opportunity for us to get back and look at the tape,” McVay reiterated. “The Chargers have some great players on the corner, so I thought it was great work where it’s a little bit of a different structure than what we’re typically accustomed to seeing from our defense every single day. This work is invaluable for us.”
2. Goff showing improvement in game-time situations:
Saturday’s practice also gave us an inside look at quarterback Jared Goff’s improvement from Year One to Year Two in a game environment. Though the Rams did emphasize the run game there was plenty of passing to be seen from the second-year quarterback.
During the 11-on-11 drills, Goff recorded a nice completion to tight end Gerald Everett, rolling out of the pocket to his left before drilling the ball up field for a would-be first down. In his first red zone drill of the day, the quarterback found wide receiver Cooper Kupp in the endzone. Although Chargers linebacker Joey Bosa shook up the quarterback on the next play stripping the ball from his hands after the blitz, Goff recovered well – throwing to wideout Pharoh Cooper in the endzone on the following play.
But Goff’s biggest bright spot of the day came in the tail end of practice during the team’s two-minute drill. Goff went 8/11 for about 75 yards, taking the Rams offense all the way to the three-yard line before being held to a field goal. After practice Goff said the joint practice proved very effective, allowing him to get some good looks at another team’s defense, especially with preseason just a week away.
“I felt good. [There were] a lot of things I thought we did good and a lot of things that I thought we can work on,” Goff said. “Off the top of my head, I can point to a couple. But I thought for the most part, we moved the ball pretty well, especially in that two-minute drill there. I was really happy with what we were doing up front. Seeing something different today was good. It was refreshing.”
McVay was also pleased with his quarterback noting Goff’s football savvy during today’s scrimmage along with his confidence throughout the situational drills.
“I thought he settled in, I thought he did a nice job in the two-minute drill taking completions, being smart with the football and then at the end where we did a little bit of move the ball, he made some good third down throws,” McVay said of Goff. “I think he’s doing a nice job finding his rhythm, getting more comfortable every single day.”
3. Secondary proves its worth:
After yesterday’s practice Defensive Coordinator Wade Phillips mentioned that the secondary would be the most surprising part of the Rams defense. And so far throughout the last seven days of training camp, the defensive back group alongside the linebackers have truly proved their worth.
Robey-Coleman (@slotgod23) with some good reps out there against Chargers third down plays.
— Dani Klupenger (@daniklup) August 6, 2017
In the joint practice today, the secondary, led by cornerbacks coach Aubrey Pleasant and and safeties coach Ejiro Evero, played well, getting the chance to go up against the deep threat of a veteran quarterback in Philip Rivers. In training camp, Phillips’ emphasis thus far has been on pass deflection and cutting down the vertical threat and today that was put on display.
Cornerback Nickell Robey-Coleman continues to impress during camp. Today, Robey-Coleman had a great pass deflection stopping a long ball to the ten yard line. Linebacker Kevin Davis had the Rams’ first interception of the day, placing his toes carefully in bounds for the pick. Overall, the secondary continues to be a bright spot of improvement for the Rams. Though McVay focused mainly on the offense in today’s scrimmage, he made sure to give high praise to the intensity of the secondary as a whole.
“I can’t wait to go back and see how the defense did,” McVay said. “Because we did so many two-spot drills, I was a little bit more involved in the offense, so I can’t wait to go back and look at the tape. But anytime I’m kind of peeking over my shoulder just from what we’ve seen throughout the offseason program – it kind of carried on today where guys were flying around, doing a good job of playing smart. I thought they did a nice job from what I saw just kind of on the brink.”
FIELD-LEVEL OBSERVATIONS
– Wide receivers Tavon Austin and Josh Reynolds along with linebacker Samson Ebukam missed today’s practice, out with minor issues. They all remain day-to-day.
– Defensive tackle Michael Brockers and outside linebacker Robert Quinn were limited in today’s practice while safety Lamarcus Joyner did not participate at all. McVay said they were held out as part of the team’s management program, meant to keep all of their athletes healthy and performing at their best.
– Cornerback E.J. Gaines had a nice one-handed grab during the warm up portion displaying solid hands even on the sidelines.
– The defense struggled a bit with the mobility of Rivers who was able to cut up the middle on a few early routes. Later in practice the D-Line was able to hold down the run a bit more, adjusting well to the Chargers’ offense.
Chargers Melvin Ingram vs #Rams LT Andrew Whitworth. #RamsCamp pic.twitter.com/mXguzMIb5W
— J.B. Long (@JB_Long) August 6, 2017
– Left tackle Andrew Whitworth held his own on the line, blocking well for the majority of the day against the Chargers’ Melvin Ingram.
– Linebacker Mark Barron had a nice play during the midfield drills forcing the incomplete pass from Rivers in man coverage.
– Tight end Tyler Higbee had a nice grab in the endzone for the touchdown during red zone drills. Has connected well with Goff for the last few days.
– Wideouts Robert Woods, Paul McRoberts, Cooper and Kupp saw a lot of action today taking the majority of the first-team reps at the receiver position.
PLAY OF THE DAY
Today’s play of the day was brought to you by veteran inside linebacker Alec Ogletree. During the last portion of this afternoon’s practice Ogletree showcased his quick speed on display, blitzing Rivers for the sack.
Rivers did not even have the chance to step back and settle into the pocket before Ogletree was all over him. The defensive play was a great example of the added mobility and aggressiveness in Phillips’ new hybrid 3-4 scheme.
PRESS POINTS
After practice McVay spoke to the media about how he felt Day 7 went for the Rams, but also took the time to honor new Hall of Famer Kurt Warner. Catch up on his best point from Day 7:
SEAN McVAY:
On if the practice went like he expected it would: “I also wanted to just congratulate former Rams quarterback Kurt Warner on his Hall of Fame induction last night. What an important part of this organization he’s been. I reached out and connected with him a little bit, but what a great player, what a great person and a great representation of this organization.”
znModeratorRams still figuring out the right workload for RB Todd Gurley
Alden Gonzalez
IRVINE, Calif. — Lance Dunbar’s prolonged injury has helped rookie head coach Sean McVay realize something: Todd Gurley is a very talented receiver.
Gurley’s skills were on display once again Tuesday afternoon during the Los Angeles Rams’ first padded practice of training camp. Early into drill work, he lined up one-on-one against a cornerback out wide, beating him up the sideline on a fly route and connecting with Jared Goff. In an 11-on-11 red zone drill later on, Gurley came across the field before the snap, then ran toward the sideline and hauled in another catch for a touchdown.
The Rams signed Dunbar because they liked his pass-catching ability. They were hopeful he could mimic Chris Thompson’s role in McVay’s offense during his two-year stint in Washington. But a lingering knee issue has kept Dunbar from practicing, and there is no timetable for his return. His injury has the Rams wondering when Gurley will actually be able to take a break this season.
While they want to give him all the early-down carries, they also want to use him more frequently on third downs — assuming he improves as a pass-blocker — and now they really like him as a receiver.
Something has to give.
“When you have a special player like Todd, you want to continue to find ways to get him involved but also be mindful of, ‘What is that fine balance between him being at his best and not wearing him out?’” McVay said. “That is something that we’re continuing to find out.”
Gurley struggled mightily last year, averaging 3.2 yards per carry and scoring only six touchdowns. But it wasn’t for lack of opportunities. He earned 278 carries (fifth-most in the NFL) and was targeted 57 times as a receiver, which ranked 12th among running backs and more than doubled his targets from the year before. McVay is committed to striking a run-pass balance, but he is also open to letting the flow of a game dictate the dynamic.
“I trust in the coaches,” Gurley said. “They’ve been doing a great job with putting in the offense, and then obviously you’ve seen Coach McVay’s work in Washington. I don’t understand why it wouldn’t be able to work here on this level.”
Under McVay, the Redskins’ offense excelled at throwing the football but ranked 20th in the NFL in rushing yards per attempt in 2015 and 2016. In that two-year stretch, however, McVay’s offensive line coach Aaron Kromer oversaw a Bills unit that helped Buffalo lead the NFL in rushing in back-to-back seasons.
The league average in rushing yards per carry in 2015 and 2016 was 4.16. Gurley has fallen below that mark in 21 of his 28 starts. In other words, Gurley has been a below-average rusher for 75 percent of his career. He was the league’s Offensive Rookie of the Year in 2015 but rushed for only 885 yards in 2016, the fewest ever for a running back with at least 275 carries. Gurley averaged 1.59 rushing yards before first contact that year, 41st among 42 qualified running backs.
The Rams have since reshuffled their offensive line, signing left tackle Andrew Whitworth and center John Sullivan, moving Rob Havenstein to right guard and — for now, at least — making Jamon Brown their new right tackle.
They need to establish better chemistry with Gurley.
“Once you’ve got everybody doing their job and what we have to do in this scheme, then it’ll fall into place,” Brown said. “That’s all we have to focus on as individuals is making sure that we’re doing our one-eleventh. If everybody’s doing their one-eleventh, then we’ll have success. Just stay true to what you’re doing. That’s it.”
The Rams hope to eventually establish some depth behind Gurley by drawing from outside the organization. For now, though, Malcolm Brown is the favorite to become Gurley’s backup. McVay acknowledges that Dunbar’s injury — however long it may linger — changes the way Gurley fits into this offense, giving him more chances as a receiver. But he’s hoping it doesn’t increase his workload too much.
“Regardless of whether Lance is available or not, we always knew that Todd would be the lead dog,” McVay said. “And it’s just kind of us figuring out what is that fine line between him being at his best, while making sure that he gets his touches necessary, and then also being mindful of having somebody that can spell him so that when the fourth quarter rolls around, and to finish the game, he feels good.”
August 6, 2017 at 12:57 am in reply to: Evaluating the Rams crowded WR room after signing KD Cannon #71948
znModeratori did read that they are using him like fisher used him, but i actually take that as a negative. i take it that he’s not adapting well to the mcvay offense and what he requires of tavon with mcvay just trying to make whatever use he can out of him.
That might be the case.
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znModeratorJared Goff takes what the Chargers’ defense gives him
Gary Klein
http://www.latimes.com/sports/rams/la-sp-rams-notes-20170805-story.html
Yhe passes were mostly short, many on play-action rollouts.
And that was fine with Jared Goff.
The Rams quarterback finished Saturday’s joint practice with the Chargers by efficiently moving the offense down the field during a two-minute drill at StubHub Center.
“Taking what they give us,” Goff said. “They were playing their base defense, and with what they play, a lot of underneath stuff was open.
“So if it’s there, just keep taking it.”
Goff, the No. 1 pick in the 2016 draft, took another small step toward establishing himself as a capable starter for first-year coach Sean McVay.
On a day when there was no live tackling, Goff looked comfortable — if not completely accurate — from the shotgun formation and also from under center.
He passed for several short touchdowns and avoided interceptions during red-zone and seven-on-seven drills throughout the two-plus hour workout. His one misstep: allowing Chargers’ defensive end Joey Bosa to strip the ball while passing in a red-zone drill.
Fans pack StubHub Center for the other football
But Goff completed eight of 10 passes against the Chargers’ No. 1 defense during the two-minute portion, one of the incomplete passes coming on a third-and-three play from the eight-yard line.“I thought he settled in,” McVay said. “I thought he did a nice job in the two-minute drill taking completions, being smart with the football.”
With receivers Tavon Austin and Mike Thomas sidelined because of injuries, the Rams did not demonstrate a vertical threat. Goff missed on his one deep pass to rookie Cooper Kupp.
Kupp, Robert Woods and Pharoh Cooper seemed to rarely venture beyond 10 or 15 yards.
That could be an issue for team trying to find multiple ways to take the defensive focus off running back Todd Gurley.
After an outstanding rookie season in 2015, Gurley struggled last season as defensive coordinators loaded up to stop him and force the NFL’s worst offense to beat them with the pass. Gurley was repeatedly hit behind the line of scrimmage, never looked comfortable and did not eclipse 100 yards rushing in a game.
But as he did during the first week of training camp, Gurley looked sharp, especially on a few plays when he ran toward the line of scrimmage and then cut to the outside and turned upfield.
“I thought you saw a violent runner,” McVay said.
Gurley, who also caught a few passes, was on board with that characterization.
“Yeah,” he said. “I’ll take that all day, for sure.”
A Rams defense facing veteran Chargers quarterback Philip Rivers was without at least four starters.
Lineman Aaron Donald remains absent because of a contract dispute. Lineman Michael Brockers and linebacker Robert Quinn were in uniform but did not participate in team drills. Safety Lamarcus Joyner watched from the sideline.
The Rams will practice with the Chargers again Wednesday at UC Irvine, a workout that is open to the public.
McVay anticipates that Goff will continue to improve.
“As long as we make good decisions, play within the timing of the play and throw the football accurately, you’re going to give yourself a chance to play productive football from that spot and that’s what we’re looking for from him,” McVay said.
A few days after the joint practice, the Rams will play their first preseason game against the Dallas Cowboys at the Coliseum.
McVay said Goff and other starters probably will play six to 10 plays in the first preseason game.
“You want him to be able to play with the guys that we’re anticipating [around] him,” McVay said of Goff, adding, “You want to see some continuity, ability to get a couple first downs. Then, make sure we stay healthy and give some other guys a chance to compete.”
znModeratorKurt’s induction speech
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-hall-of-fame/0ap3000000826451/Kurt-Warner-s-Hall-of-Fame-speech
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Kurt Warner singles out Trent Green in helping him get to Canton
Charean Williams
Kurt Warner singles out Trent Green in helping him get to Canton
Kurt Warner’s circuitous route to the NFL is well documented, but Warner singled out a former teammate who was as important as any other in getting Warner to Canton.
It wasn’t Marshall Faulk or Isaac Bruce, though both earned mention in Warner’s speech. It was Trent Green, the quarterback Warner backed up in 1999.
If Green hadn’t torn up his knee during a 1999 preseason game, Warner acknowledged he might never have become a starting NFL quarterback. The Rams reluctantly turned the job over to Warner, who wrote the ending to a storybook tale with a Super Bowl title that season.
“In the ultimate team game, I’m not much for singling guys out because of all of you played a special role in my being here,” Warner said. “But I would like to recognize one teammate who had a more profound impact on me than any other – Trent Green. Our paths crossed in the most incredible of ways, and I acknowledge you could easily be the one standing up here tonight, but the class that you showed while dealing with the toughest of situations is etched in my mind. Your willingness to share your football secrets so I could succeed was incredibly valuable, but the character you displayed and the way you modeled the definition of teammate was priceless. Those lessons followed me the rest of my career. Thanks for sharpening my character with your own.”
Warner named far fewer people in his speech than the six other inductees Saturday night, instead speaking of “team” as a thread throughout.
“For a long time, I convinced myself that I could will my way to a dream,” Warner said. “As long as I wanted it bad enough, I could make it happen. But if there is one great truth I learned from this great game, it’s that no great accomplishment is ever achieved by yourself. Being successful is contingent on others, and it always starts with someone taking a chance on you.”
znModeratorFaulk, Vermeil Talk About Warner’s Impact on Rams(00:01:56:18)
Marshall Faulk and former Rams head coach Dick Vermeil recall Kurt Warner’s impact with the Rams.
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What Made Kurt Warner Such a Special Opponent?
Former NFL linebacker Takeo Spikes reflects on memories of playing against former Rams quarterback Kurt Warner.
August 5, 2017 at 10:49 pm in reply to: Rams, Chargers meet for first neighborly practice Saturday #71938
znModeratorMcVay on the practice: "There was some good, some bad, some things we need to clean up." @CVRamsClub pic.twitter.com/7VPCYFXJ1p
— Joe Curley (@vcsjoecurley) August 6, 2017
August 5, 2017 at 10:41 pm in reply to: Evaluating the Rams crowded WR room after signing KD Cannon #71937
znModeratorthis might be just me projecting. but the rams will be looking for any excuse to cut tavon when possible. he’s not a mcvay guy, and they’re probably thinking the money could be used elsewhere. austin will have to pretty much make it impossible for the rams to cut him.
There may be something to that, but it’s also more complicated, so whatever may be or could be the issue, it won’t have a short-term solution.
As I understand it, if they cut or trade Tavon this year, they take a 5M cap hit they can ill afford right now.
So it looks like Tavon is a Ram for this year at least. I agree that it’s entirely possible that McVay thinks, if I can’t turn him into DeSean West, I don’t want him. Maybe he is doing that. On the other hand, I have read it camp reports and tweets that they were also running Tavon out of the backfield, which suggests that they are willing to use him in the old way like in 2015, where he’s a hybrid multiple weapon type and not a pure receiver.
Plus in terms of the recent signings—notice that the WRs have 4 injuries right now, and 3 of them are deep threats. The limited guys are Tavon, Thomas, Reynolds, and Marquez. Sp the only deep threats in camp (I think) are the 3 new guys. LaFleur in his press conference said that if nothing else they need legs to run the reps without wearing down their existing core receivers.
So MAYBE one of those 3 new guys sticks, but that’s iffy too, since basically they are way behind on the offense and missed all of camp so far plus OTAs. I don’t think they can count on any of them during the season. But they DO need them now, in the light of the little WR injury epidemic.
Either way Gonzalez said something interesting during the Chargers/Rams practice:
Rams are down a lot of receivers — Tavon Austin, Mike Thomas, Bradley Marquez and Josh Reynolds. They were heavy on slot receivers before; even more so now. Lot of rollouts and short, high-leverage passes for Jared Goff today. Sean McVay has a knack for making life difficult for a defense and easy for his quarterback. He’ll do that here.
Alden Gonzalez, ESPN Staff Writer
http://www.espn.com/espn/now?nowId=21-0685648175377161735-4
.August 5, 2017 at 10:09 pm in reply to: Rams, Chargers meet for first neighborly practice Saturday #71934
znModeratoryes. great job. nice reading the tweets and then seeing it happen on the videos. great stuff.
And thank you too!
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J.B. Long@JB_Long
Joint practice over. #Rams win.August 5, 2017 at 10:06 pm in reply to: Rams, Chargers meet for first neighborly practice Saturday #71932
znModeratorGood job, collecting all the tweets, zn.
Thank you!
I made it easy by previously collecting all the twitter links (end of post here): http://theramshuddle.com/topic/some-dedicated-threads-on-individual-players/
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