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  • #75094
    wv
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    “The only thing he needs to learn more now is to step up into the pocket rather than trying to get out of it.”
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    A lot of folks think this. But in college he certainly made a ton of plays after he rolled OUT of the pocket.

    Maybe he needs to learn to step deeper in to the pocket but maybe sometimes he can still do his college thing. Maybe he needs to learn when to do one and when to do the other. Maybe his linemen need to learn when he’s gonna do one and when he’s gonna do the other — experience.

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    #75101
    zn
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    How big a Year 2 leap can we expect from Jared Goff?

    Alden Gonzalez

    http://www.espn.com/blog/los-angeles-rams/post/_/id/35565/how-big-a-year-2-leap-can-we-really-expect-from-rams-qb-jared-goff

    LOS ANGELES — Forget improvement; Jared Goff looks like a completely different person.

    Goff has thrown for 817 yards in the first three games of his second season, just 278 yards shy of his total through seven starts as a rookie. His five touchdowns already match last year’s total. The Los Angeles Rams’ 22-year-old quarterback has a 118.2 passer rating, trailing only Kurt Warner (125.0 in 1999) for the best in franchise history through the first three games of a season (minimum 40 attempts).

    Goff had his highest career Total QBR by a wide margin against the Indianapolis Colts in Week 1 (65.7), then had his highest career Total QBR by a really wide margin against the San Francisco 49ers in Week 3 (92.3). As a rookie, he completed 54.6 percent of his passes, averaged 5.3 yards per attempt and had a 0.7 touchdown-to-interception ratio, putting his passer rating at 63.6. In his second year, he has completed 70.4 percent of his passes, with an NFL-leading 10.1 yards per attempt, a 5.0 touchdown-to-interception ratio and a passer rating that is nearly double what he had in 2016.

    The sample size is still small, of course. It’s hard to imagine Goff keeping this pace up, especially when considering that ESPN’s Football Power Index had each of his first three opponents ranked within the bottom 11 on defense. But Goff might be primed for a larger-than-usual Year 2 leap because of all that has improved around him, from the coaching staff to the scheme to the offensive line to the receivers.

    Below, we took a look at recent quarterbacks taken No. 1 overall to get a sense for how much they improved — or didn’t — from their first year to their second. We only used those who started at least seven games in each season and selected the last nine. On average, those nine improved their passer ratings by 14.8 percent in Year 2. That kind of improvement would put Goff’s 2017 passer rating at 73.0, which is more than 18 points below last year’s NFL average.

    But none of those quarterbacks saw their second-year surroundings improve as dramatically as Goff did.

    2015-16: Jameis Winston

    Year 1: 58.3 CMP%, 7.6 Y/A, 1.5 TD/INT, 84.2 Rate

    Year 2: 60.8 CMP%, 7.2 Y/A, 1.6 TD/INT, 86.1 Rate

    Winston’s first career pass was an interception returned for a touchdown. It only got better from there for the highly touted Florida State quarterback. Winston became the first player in NFL history to begin his career with back-to-back 4,000-yard passing seasons. He made the Pro Bowl as a rookie and led the Tampa Bay Buccaneers to a 9-7 season in his second year. Winston improved, albeit slightly, in almost every category in his second year. The exception was turnovers, where he went from 17 to 24.

    2012-13: Andrew Luck

    Year 1: 54.1 CMP%, 7.0 Y/A, 1.3 TD/INT, 76.5 Rate

    Year 2: 60.2 CMP%, 6.7 Y/A, 2.6 TD/INT, 87.0 Rate

    Luck threw for 4,374 yards in 2012, the most ever by a rookie. In the regular-season finale of 2013, he broke Cam Newton’s record for the most passing yards through a player’s first two years, with 8,196. The Stanford star made back-to-back Pro Bowl appearances and led the Colts to consecutive 11-5 records. In the 2013 wild-card round, he capped a Colts rally from 28 down against the Kansas City Chiefs with a 64-yard touchdown pass. Luck’s biggest strides in Year 2 came with interceptions, which he trimmed in half.

    2011-12: Cam Newton

    Year 1: 60.0 CMP%, 7.8 Y/A, 1.2 TD/INT, 84.5 Rate

    Year 2: 57.7 CMP%, 8.0 Y/A, 1.6 TD/INT, 86.2 Rate

    Newton threw for 854 yards in his first two NFL games and ultimately became the first rookie to throw for 4,000 yards, making the Pro Bowl and winning the Offensive Rookie of the Year Award. Newton’s second year wasn’t as dynamic, going from 35 touchdowns — as a runner and a thrower — to 27. But he limited his turnovers and finished second in the NFL in yards per attempt in 2012. He threw for 3,869 yards and gained another 741 on the ground for the Carolina Panthers. So, still very good.

    2010-11: Sam Bradford

    Year 1: 60.0 CMP%, 6.0 Y/A, 1.2 TD/INT, 76.5 Rate

    Year 2: 53.5 CMP%, 6.1 Y/A, 1.0 TD/INT, 70.5 Rate

    Bradford is the only player on this list who got worse in his second year, but it wasn’t entirely his fault. He missed six games with a high ankle sprain in that 2011 season, and the then-St. Louis Rams, ravaged by injuries, finished 2-14, prompting the hiring of Jeff Fisher. Remember him? Expectations were sky high for Bradford coming off his first year, when he set a rookie record for completions (354) and led the Rams to a 7-9 record — after totaling six wins in the previous three seasons.

    2005-06: Alex Smith

    Year 1: 50.9 CMP%, 5.3 Y/A, 0.1 TD/INT, 40.8 Rate

    Year 2: 58.1 CMP%, 6.5 Y/A, 1.0 TD/INT, 74.8 Rate

    Smith is a good comp for Goff because he started only seven games as a rookie, then got a full season in his second year with the 49ers. Smith’s quarterback rating improved by more than 85 percent in his second year, the highest on this list. Injuries held him back as a rookie. For his second year, Smith got a new offensive coordinator in Norv Turner and better weapons around him, with Antonio Bryant signed, Vernon Davis drafted and Frank Gore becoming the featured back.

    2004-05: Eli Manning

    Year 1: 48.2 CMP%, 5.3 Y/A, 0.7 TD/INT, 55.4 Rate

    Year 2: 52.8 CMP%, 6.8 Y/A, 1.4 TD/INT, 75.9 Rate

    Like Smith, Manning started seven games as a rookie and all 16 in Year 2. And like Smith, Manning improved rather significantly across the board, doubling his touchdown-to-interception rate and increasing his quarterback rating by 37 percent. Manning, who mainly sat behind Kurt Warner as a rookie, finished the 2005 season within the top five in passing yards (3,762) and passing touchdowns (24). He led a high-powered New York Giants offense to an 11-5 record and an NFC East title.

    2002-03: David Carr

    Year 1: 52.5 CMP%, 5.8 Y/A, 0.6 TD/INT, 62.8 Rate

    Year 2: 56.6 CMP%, 6.8 Y/A, 0.7 TD/INT, 69.5 Rate

    Carr had the misfortune of being drafted by an expansion team. He operated behind a patchwork offensive line as a rookie, absorbing 76 sacks — still the most in NFL history — and fumbling 21 times. Carr didn’t perform much better in his second year, either. He started only 11 games. And though his sack total dropped to 15, his interception percentage increased, from 3.4 to 4.4. The Houston Texans went a combined 7-20 with Carr under center in his first two years.

    1999-2000: Tim Couch

    Year 1: 55.9 CMP%, 6.1 Y/A, 1.2 TD/INT, 73.2 Rate

    Year 2: 63.7 CMP%, 6.9 Y/A, 0.8 TD/INT, 77.3 Rate

    Like Carr, Couch played for an expansion team; he was drafted by a Cleveland Browns organization that suspended operations during the previous three seasons. And Couch, like Carr, played behind bad offensive lines, taking 56 sacks in 14 starts as a rookie. Couch missed the final nine games of the 2000 season because of a broken thumb. He was starting to show improvement before then, but not much. Ultimately, Couch — yes, like Carr — went down as one of the biggest busts in NFL history.

    1998-99: Peyton Manning

    Year 1: 56.7 CMP%, 6.5 Y/A, 0.9 TD/INT, 71.2 Rate

    Year 2: 62.1 CMP%, 7.8 Y/A, 1.7 TD/INT, 90.7 Rate

    This guy was no bust, but the future Hall of Fame quarterback took his lumps as a rookie. Manning threw an NFL-leading 28 interceptions — still the most by a first-year player– and led the Colts to a 3-13 record in 1998. In Year 2, though, the Colts made an NFL-record 10-game turnaround and won the AFC East. Manning made his first Pro Bowl, going 313-of-533 while throwing for 4,135 yards, 26 touchdowns and 15 interceptions. He finished that second season fourth in passer rating.

    #75105
    Herzog
    Participant

    times have changed man. I don’t think Manning’s 2nd year numbers gets anyone into the pro-bowl in today’s NFL.

    #75115
    InvaderRam
    Moderator

    i think of those alex smith is the best comp. young qb with 3 years experience in college. coming from a spread system. very raw.

    he had an 85% increase from year 1 to year 2. don’t think it’ll be quite that high but it could be significant.

    #75135
    zn
    Moderator

    #75168
    zn
    Moderator

    Jared Goff’s Growth

    Cian Fahey

    link: http://presnapreads.com/2017/09/28/jared-goffs-growth/

    It was a running play.

    Sammy Watkins lined up just inside the numbers. He was roughly six yards to the left of Jared Goff, who was under center. Todd Gurley was behind Goff. He had just gained two yards on the Rams’ opening play of the season. The plan was to give Gurley the ball again on second down. It was an outside-zone run to the right side. Robert Woods searched out a defensive back instead of running a route at the snap. The offensive line shifted towards Woods while Jamon Brown advanced downfield to take out a linebacker. Everything on the field said it was a running play. Everything except Sammy Watkins.

    Goff saw it before the snap. The outside linebacker to Watkins’ side of the field was pressed onto the line of scrimmage. The inside linebacker next to him was too far forward. Assuming Watkins could beat press coverage off the line, a safe assumption, Goff knew that he would have an easy pitch to his receiver on his slant route. Goff sold the run by turning towards Gurley before whipping back around to release the ball to Watkins. The receiver gained an easy 13 yards.

    It was a running play. It was also a packaged play.

    A packaged play is a running play where the quarterback has the option to throw the ball based on the alignment of the defense at the snap. On this specific play Watkins was running a slant route on the backside of the play. He wouldn’t be involved in an outside-zone run to the opposite side of the field so it’s an added wrinkle that costs the running play nothing. Packaged plays essentially allow you to audible the play without calling an audible. It’s like a read-option that occurs before the snap rather than after the snap. They are typically simple reads for the quarterback.

    Sean McVay understands this. While Jeff Fisher probably doesn’t even know what a packaged play is, McVay understands their value the same way Kyle Shanahan did with Matt Ryan last season. McVay understands how to set a quarterback up for success. He sees the value in varying his play calling, working to be unpredictable rather than relying on the same three or four misdirection plays that make the offense predictable the way Jeff Fisher did. McVay features his running backs as receivers, puts his tight ends in different positions to attack different coverages and has put together a congruent receiving corps.

    Last year, Kyle Shanahan and Matt Ryan relied on play action more than any other quarterback. Ryan threw a play action pass on 21.99 percent of his passes. The next closest quarterback was Dak Prescott at 18.11 percent, Ryan Tannehill was the only other quarterback to eclipse 17 percent. Goff has used play action on 23.38 percent of his attempts so far this season after using it on only 11.8 percent of his attempts last season.

    Ryan gained 31.37 percent of his yards on play action passes, Goff has gained 27.78 percent of his yards on play action passes so far this season.

    A good play action passing game is an unpredictable one. It’s one that mixes subtle and hard play fakes while moving the quarterback out of the pocket in both directions or keeping him in the pocket with different play designs. When the play fake is less predictable, the linebackers and defensive linemen are more likely to hesitate. Hesitating linebackers leads to distorted coverages. Hesitating defensive linemen lead to a slowed pass rush. Goff is benefiting from both things in McVay’s offense.

    Play action alone can’t create clean pockets. Adding Andrew Whitworth at left tackle and John Sullivan at center gave the Rams something their line has been lacking for a decade: Established starting-quality veteran players. Whitworth is one of the best tackles in the NFL while Sullivan offers Goff a teammate who can help identify blitzes and set protections. Those two pieces ease the pressure on the young right side of the line both on the field with assignments and off the field with continuity/development.

    Goff has spent much of this season bailing out of the back of the pocket and breaking into the right flat to throw the ball downfield. He’s afforded those opportunities because of the quality of his protection.

    Take Gerald Everett’s 69-yard gain against Washington from Week 2.

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    Washington sends a five-man rush after the quarterback, a blitz. The Rams release all five eligible receivers into routes so the offensive line is trusted to win one-on-one matchups across the board. Goff’s processing is slow on this play. Washington is playing a form of Cover-3 with one deep safety in the middle of the field. Goff has an out route open to his left for a first down, then Sammy Watkins’ curl route comes open underneath on the same side of the field. When he works his eyes back to the right seam, he has a chance to hit that receiver if he leads him infield.

    As he tends to do, Goff buffers in the pocket. His processing speed doesn’t allow him to recognize his opportunity to release the ball. Doing this against a five-man rush should result in a sack. But Goff’s line holds up so he has time to go through his progression, miss all the receivers, then drop backwards. Everything about this play to that point is bad for the quarterback.

    Once he breaks into the right flat, the play has extended passed the point the defense expected it to. Gurley draws the zone defender underneath, the cornerback has followed the other receiver infield, leaving Gerald Everett wide open for a huge play.

    This is the quintessential example of a good result, bad process play.

    Because of the newfound quality surrounding him in his supporting cast, Goff is now able to be productive on bad process plays. He wasn’t able to do that last year in Jeff Fisher’s defunct, talent-deficient offense. Over the first two weeks of the season, Goff didn’t really do anything spectacular. He had still taken a step forward from his rookie season because he was executing easier plays at a higher rate, but the quality of his opponents’ play had a lot more to do with his success than his own play.

    In Week 1 he was accurate on 65.52 percent of his passes, to put that in perspective Goff was accurate on 65.24 percent of all his passes last season and ranked last in the NFL for accuracy. Cooper Kupp catching two inaccurate passes to create 52 yards and the Colts complete lack of coverage and pass rush made him look good. In Week 2 he was similarly inaccurate, 65.22 percent, but showed off better reactions to pressure at different times, peak plays that he hadn’t shown off as a rookie.

    Getting excited about that Week 2 performance was still a challenge because of his two worst plays of the game.

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    It’s Third-and-11 late in the second quarter, the Rams are trailing by 10. McVay isn’t trying to punt. He sends all five receivers out into patterns again. His four receivers release vertically downfield while Gurley waits underneath for a checkdown. It should become apparent quickly to Goff that none of his receivers will be open. Washington is playing Cover-3. Goff initially looks to Watkins on the left side who has a cornerback above him, another beneath him and a linebacker inside of him. His eyes linger on Watkins too long while he steps up in the pocket.

    Goff’s initial movement to step up in the pocket is a good one. He isn’t a fast mover but he does enough to avoid the initial rush. From there he is oblivious to the pursuing defender and tries to locate one of his other receivers. Goff exposes the ball for the strip sack instead of flipping it to Gurley for a modest gain. His center fell on the ball, saving Goff from giving up a turnover deep in Rams territory that would have set Washington up to end the game as a contest with a touchdown.

    Washington would eventually end the game, but not until Goff made his worst play of that particular game.

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    Besides being horrendously inaccurate, Goff had three main issues during his rookie season. His processing speed in the pocket invited pressure. When that pressure arrived his reaction was to panic, turn around, drop his eyes and try to run away. Those two things destroyed the design of passing plays, made it impossible for him to throw with any timing and took away his platform to throw the ball. The third issue was a commitment to staring down receivers, leading linebackers to the ball for interception opportunities.

    The third issue ended the Week 2 game as a contest.

    When asked after the game, Mason Foster told reporters that he anticipated Goff leading him to the ball. It was something he knew the quarterback had a tendency to do. Goff did that on this play but he still could have gotten away with it had he released the ball earlier and shown off greater velocity. Goff isn’t a big-armed passer so his passes can never catch up if he’s late releasing the ball. If you pause the above gif at the moment Goff begins to release the ball, the receiver is already coming out of his break. That can’t happen. The ball should have been arriving at the receiver when he turned, not leaving Goff’s hand at that point.

    Monitoring these problems will be crucial to understanding Goff’s development over the course of this season.

    Development is the key word for Goff because for as much as his overall numbers are misleading right now, he has taken a step forward. He has gone from someone who didn’t look like he belonged in the NFL, probably the worst starter in a league that boasted Blake Bortles and Josh McCown, to a competent player. He’s likely still a below-average or bottom five or six quarterback, but that’s progress. As a 22-year old quarterback, progress is enough.

    That progress can be best measured in Goff’s accuracy. While his accuracy percentages in the first two games of the season were poor, Goff’s performance against the San Francisco 49ers in Week 3 was undeniably excellent. He was accurate on 21 of 25 qualifying attempts while primarily working in the 1-5 yard range, 13 of his passes went into that range. More significantly, Goff was accurate on all three of his deep attempts in the game.

    Goff’s deep accuracy has been excellent so far this season. It’s a relatively small sample compared to a full season but he is pushing the ball downfield at a high rate. 15.58 percent of his passes have travelled more than 20 yards downfield, that would have been the second-highest rate in the NFL last year.. He has almost doubled his eight percent rate from last season. Goff was accurate on eight of those 12 attempts, a 66.7 accuracy percentage. The best deep passer in the NFL last year was Sam Bradford at 65.85 percent.

    It’s not just that he’s been accurate either. At least three of those eight accurate passes have been throws into tight coverage.

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    Again, the first thing we have to note on this play is the quality of the protection. Goff gets a completely clean pocket with Whitworth perfectly repelling the defender trying to get to his blindside. Goff uses that pocket to deliver a pass into Tyler Higbee. You could nitpick the placement and say it wasn’t completely perfect but it did hit the window. Importantly, Goff showed off a command of his velocity to push the ball past the trailing defender confidently. He cleared that defender without overshooting his tight end.

    Higbee drops the ball but there’s nothing the quarterback can do about that. It was still an impressive throw.

    That was a good throw. The next throw is a great one.

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    Watkins does a phenomenal job on this play. Tracking this ball through the air and controlling your body to catch it the way he did is extremely difficult. Even though it’s a difficult play for the receiver, it’s still a great throw. Goff puts a lot of air on the ball but he pushes it deep to nullify the cornerback who Watkins has beaten through his route and he pushes it wide towards the sideline to nullify the safety. Goff made sure that this ball would be caught by Watkins and nobody else while putting it in a spot where his receiver had the best chance of catching it cleanly.

    Furthermore, Goff didn’t have a completely clean pocket this time. The pressure was closing in around him. He had to get rid of it and he had to do so with bodies engulfing him.

    It wasn’t a Tyrod Taylor type of deep ball or a Ryan Tannehill type of deep ball. It didn’t sustain huge velocity to travel on a lower trajectory, but the placement and timing of the throw made it an accurate one. Goff didn’t show this kind of quality last year. He was a 26.67 percent deep passer last year, only Blake Bortles was worse than him. The league average was 44 percent. Goff has been 40 percent more accurate on his deep passes this season, obviously it’s a tiny sample but at this point we should still consider it growth.

    Goff’s accuracy was abhorrent as a rookie. When you have so many other problems with your process in the pocket it’s very hard to be accurate. He was a bottom three passer to every level passed the line of scrimmage last year. He was dead last in the 6-10 and 11-15 yard ranges. He was the only quarterback in the league who missed more than half of his throws that travelled further than five yards downfield. It was so bad that it was hard to imagine it ever getting better. But, so far at least, it has gotten better.

    Because of that performance against the 49ers, Goff is three percent more accurate in the 1-5 yard range, 16 percent more accurate in the 6-10 range, nine percent more accurate in the 11-15 yard range and 40 percent more accurate on deep throws. He is only worse so far on throws behind the line of scrimmage (where he ranked sixth in the NFL last year) and in the 16-20 yard range (where he has only thrown four passes).

    He is now accurate on 61 percent of his passes that travel further than five yards downfield, far more than half of his throws.

    The sustainability of Goff’s efficiency is unclear. He is gaining more than 50 percent of his yards after the catch, only seven quarterbacks did that last season. Todd Gurley’s success out of the backfield has been a source of easy offense while Robert Woods has been missed on a couple of open throws that should have been made. He has only lost one reception to receiver error, that Higbee play, and has gained three receptions on inaccurate throws that resulted in 75 yards gained. He only has one interceptable pass at least, which is promising.

    What gives you pause about Goff’s performances so far is the opponents he has faced. The Washington defense dismantled the Raiders on Sunday Night Football in Week 3 but that wasn’t close to how they played in Week 2. The soft schedule and Goff’s need to take at least another step forward in his development to become even an average passer as an individual allows for skepticism.

    The Cowboys secondary has been disastrous over the past two weeks so Goff should be productive this week. It’s after that game when the real tests begin. The Seahawks at home, the Jaguars in Jacksonville, the Giants in New York, the Texans at home and the Vikings in Minnesota is a combination of the best defenses in the NFL. Should Goff perform adequately over that stretch, the Rams will really have reason to get excited about their young quarterback.

    #75170
    Herzog
    Participant

    a bottom 5 or 6 qb? Screw this guy. He’s smart though.

    #75175
    InvaderRam
    Moderator

    As he tends to do, Goff buffers in the pocket. His processing speed doesn’t allow him to recognize his opportunity to release the ball. Doing this against a five-man rush should result in a sack. But Goff’s line holds up so he has time to go through his progression, miss all the receivers, then drop backwards. Everything about this play to that point is bad for the quarterback.

    well i’m hoping this is just a matter of getting reps.

    and the processing speed should get quicker.

    #75187
    zn
    Moderator

    Cian Fahey

    link: http://presnapreads.com/2017/09/28/jared-goffs-growth/

    As he tends to do, Goff buffers in the pocket. His processing speed doesn’t allow him to recognize his opportunity to release the ball. Doing this against a five-man rush should result in a sack.

    ==

    aeneas1 of RFU:

    great article, great read, but it’s hard to agree with the author’s take on the pass to everett, seems that he was trying to make a case for what the oline has brought to the table, but his example was a big swing and miss imo

    there was nothing wrong with goff’s processing on the play, in fact he did a great job reading the db’s jump on the slant, feeling the pressure while keeping his eyes downfield, and then intuitively rolling right in order to buy more time, which led to a big play.

    1. the play is an inside slant to watkins lined up wide left, woods is in the slot and runs an out in an effort to clear the middle – a brush/pick may have also been the plan to free watkins.

    2. at the snap goff takes a shallow 5-step drop while looking to the middle of the field to disguise pass direction, then immediately looks left for watkins.

    3. however the redskins were all over the play, instead of following woods on the out, the db quickly switches coverage to watkins and jumps the slant route, goff sees this and averts a pick 6.

    4. with his first read blown up, goff looks to the middle of the field, but sullivan has been pushed 4 yards deep into goff’s lap, a yard separates goff and his center, and the right side of the line caves as well, he has no time to set and deliver to higbee.

    5. at this point goff rolls right, away from the pressure, quickly looks to gurley underneath, but sees everett turn his route upfield… in fact gurley quickly realized that there was only one defender trying to cover him and everett, and when gurley saw the defender break towards him, he pointed to everett as the go-to guy, it was very cool.

    anyway, the play didn’t unfold at all as the author describes, nor did the oline do a great job which afforded slow-witted goff the luxury of making the play as the author claims. instead it was a heads up play by goff, he smartly recognized the db jumping his first read, the slant route to watkins, without room to set he didn’t panic and force a throw over the middle to higbee, his second look, and feeling the pressure he calmly rolled wide out of trouble while keeping his eyes downfield, which bought him time and allowed him to make a big play.

    that said, i did like how the left side of the oline was on the same page, whitworth picked up the rusher who was lined up at least 5 yards wide to his left, outside of the tight end, instead of the 4i guy, who saffold picked up…

    #75217
    InvaderRam
    Moderator

    i know people are taking the opportunity to bash fisher now that the rams offense looks competent.

    but i gotta give credit. assuming this goff isn’t just a mirage. and assuming gurley really is back. fisher is responsible for drafting this team’s franchise quarterback, a franchise running back capable of carrying a full load, possibly the best defensive player in the league…

    i think firing him was most likely the right move, but i don’t have animosity toward him.

    #75218
    zn
    Moderator

    i think firing him was most likely the right move, but i don’t have animosity toward him.

    I agree with that. Plus I will always think that if he had a starting caliber qb together with a relatively healthy OL most of the time, that he would have done better.

    Is McVay a better coach? I think so. But then I also think he’s a better coach than a LOT of guys.

    I also think Goff was THAT green last year.

    A lot of people put everything on Fisher.

    But turn it around. As good as he is, McVay benefits from a lot of things.

    * Gurley fell off last year. He came back strong.
    * Goff was a rookie last year, and an especially green one. Now, he’s not.
    * Lots of holdover players realize they fell off last year and are looking to redeem themselves.
    * They aren’t moving this year. That’s over with.

    Plus as you said he inherited 3 key players. At least 3.

    That is not supposed to take anything away from MCV, because he plays the cards he was dealt very well, but he was dealt a lot of good cards too.

    #75232
    InvaderRam
    Moderator

    Plus as you said he inherited 3 key players. At least 3.

    oh yeah. i forgot. he also signed in 2012 the greatest punter the world has ever known. johnny hekker.

    #75233
    zn
    Moderator

    Plus as you said he inherited 3 key players. At least 3.

    oh yeah. i forgot. he also signed in 2012 the greatest punter the world has ever known. johnny hekker.

    4 then.

    #75235
    InvaderRam
    Moderator

    if i could fault fisher, it’d be mainly 2 things.

    1. he never found that left tackle to anchor the offensive line. i was on board with the grob pick. and if he could have lived up to his potential, wow. that woulda been a homerun. in retrospect, lewan was probably the guy to draft.

    2. he never could get that number one receiver. and that was a problem. a big problem. instead, he had that numbskull britt.

    #75237
    InvaderRam
    Moderator

    Last year, Kyle Shanahan and Matt Ryan relied on play action more than any other quarterback. Ryan threw a play action pass on 21.99 percent of his passes. The next closest quarterback was Dak Prescott at 18.11 percent, Ryan Tannehill was the only other quarterback to eclipse 17 percent. Goff has used play action on 23.38 percent of his attempts so far this season after using it on only 11.8 percent of his attempts last season.

    Ryan gained 31.37 percent of his yards on play action passes, Goff has gained 27.78 percent of his yards on play action passes so far this season.

    interesting. and also shows how crucial both goff and gurley are.

    but also. kirk cousins wasn’t listed among those qbs as throwing a lot of play action last year. it was matt ryan and then the next closest were prescott and tannehill. so i’m assuming lafleur had a lot of input on this. or also it may just be that mcvay is protecting his young qb a little bit? i dunno. i have read that a lot of washington’s offense was based on play action under mcvay, so maybe it was just a matter of mcvay not having the running game he desired to use it more. now that he has gurley he is running the offense the way it was intended. either way it’s producing some good results.

    but also this shows why tight ends are so important to this offense. i think. maybe i’m wrong.

    #75238
    zn
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    if i could fault fisher, it’d be mainly 2 things.

    1. he never found that left tackle to anchor the offensive line. i was on board with the grob pick. and if he could have lived up to his potential, wow. that woulda been a homerun. in retrospect, lewan was probably the guy to draft.

    2. he never could get that number one receiver. and that was a problem. a big problem. instead, he had that numbskull britt.

    No argument from me. (Except until he got 2 consecutive knee injuries Long played pretty well. It’s just that the qb in 2013 was mostly Clemens.)

    #75253
    zn
    Moderator

    Goff’s numbers on the medium range passes are very good. I keep saying it but it bears repeating–right now, that’s the team strength. The team strength, not just offensive strength. Big plays thrown in the 11-25 yard range.

    I can;t do the numbers on that because espn splits are always a game behind.

    BUT there’s another metric from a different source.

    Big play passes over 25 yards. (This stat doesn’t distinguish between in the air v. YAC yardage).

    On that stat, Goff is presently second to Brady, with 10 in 3 games. Brady is first with 12. There are only 3 qbs with double digits—Brady, Goff, and Rodgers (also with 10).

    In fact there are only 7 qbs with more than 6 of those.

    #75254
    InvaderRam
    Moderator

    On that stat, Goff is presently second to Brady, with 10 in 3 games. Brady is first with 12. There are only 3 qbs with double digits—Brady, Goff, and Rodgers (also with 10).

    one thought. goff has done this while not being totally in sync with watkins. as the season goes on and beyond as well, i can see that connection only getting stronger. they really need to get watkins re-signed. he’s only 24. his best football is ahead of him assuming he can stay healthy.

    but not only that. gerald everett barely played against san francisco. and he’s a rookie on top of that.

    those are two big play targets who should complement woods and kupp well.

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