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March 30, 2018 at 5:52 pm in reply to: OBJ named in $15 million assault lawsuit… & other things OBJ #84724
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znModeratorNote: I wouldn’t necessarily assume this guy is a tackle in the Rams eyes. Kromer has a long history of putting guys like this at guard.
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Tyrell Crosby out of Oregon is one tackle who’s seemingly piqued their interest
TYRELL CROSBY
6’5″, 325 LBS.Crosby is a big-bodied tackle prospect with a strong anchor and a mean streak as a run blocker. He was poised for a great junior year before injuries caused him to miss all but three games. He missed the opener due to injury, started the next two games at left tackle but suffered a broken left foot. Crosby started 12 of 13 games played in 2015 at right tackle, one year after stepping into the starting lineup because of injuries in 2014. Crosby (a top-40 tackle recruit from Henderson, Nevada) started nine games that year, including each of the final six at left and right tackle, while playing in all of the Ducks’ 15 contests.
ANALYSIS
STRENGTHS Wide body with very good combination of mass and length for the tackle spot. Drive blocker with exceptional strength. Has adequate flexibility to drop pads and land at an adequate entry point at first contact. Able to unlock hips enough to boom on smaller opponents at impact. Runs feet through contact and will often generate quality movement in running game. Possesses powerful upper body and can engulf and maul opponents when he gets into them. Not a dancing bear, but he has serviceable movement skills combined with power and arm length to recover against opponents who challenge his inside or outside edge. Hands are strong. Able to handle short pull duties. Has experience at both tackle positions.
WEAKNESSES Lacks initial quickness. Cut-off blocks are a challenge. Doesn’t always secure positioning of base blocks through footwork. Lower hit rate on second level blocks. Technique and finesse need work. Gets lazy with hand placement in pass pro and will default to swallowing opponents with wide hands. Rarely asked to make pure pass sets in Oregon offense. Needs to prove he has adequate kick-slide quickness. Mirror footwork is a little sluggish. Struggles to keep his blocks centered. Will narrow base as a drive blocker allowing opponents to slide out of side door. Body control and balance and are just average.
DRAFT PROJECTION Rounds 2-3
SOURCES TELL US “I think he will be a pretty good pro if he gets with the right team. If you are strong you can play in the NFL. He can improve his feet and learn tricks and shortcuts to help in that area. Coaches can slide protections to him. But you can’t coach that size and power.” – Retired NFL offensive lineman
NFL COMPARISON Jermey Parnell
BOTTOM LINE Crosby won’t be a favorite of evaluators looking for a pretty tackle who wins with athleticism and technique, but he will appeal to teams who covet size, length and strength as he puts big checkmarks in those boxes. Crosby is a bulldozing right tackle prospect who can generate good movement in the run game, but he still needs to prove he has enough foot quickness and technique to sit on an island and handle quality pass rushers. He has NFL starting talent but his draft stock will be strongly influenced by how he performs at the Senior Bowl and Combine.
-Lance Zierlein: http://www.nfl.com/draft/2018/profiles/tyrell-crosby?id=2559836
znModeratorI dunno about the Oline or the Passing game.
thinking more and more rams need to draft a left tackle at 23. really want a guy like landry, but left tackle would be the smart move.
I keep hearing there isn’t anyone worthy of the pick.
I am in no position to confirm or deny that.
March 30, 2018 at 1:47 pm in reply to: stuff just on Suh (not the signing)…highlights n other stuff #84717
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znModeratori did do some reading up on zac taylor. he coached tannehill from 2013-2015.
those three seasons tannehill’s yardage went up from 3913 to 4045 to 4208.
ypa went up from 6.7 to 6.9 to 7.2.
tds went from 24 to 27 to 24.
passer rating went from 81.7 to 92.8 to 88.7
sacks went down from 58 to 46 to 45.
Good work.
Here’s a new vid.
March 30, 2018 at 9:51 am in reply to: grading/assessing Rams off-season so far (starts with Whitlock/Schlereth debate) #84712
znModeratorRams receive high free agency grade thanks to Ndamukong Suh signing, trades
Alden Gonzalez
A breakdown of the initial wave of free agency for the Los Angeles Rams:
Grade: B+. No team has made moves like the Rams this offseason, through free agency and via trade. They acquired a couple of shutdown corners before the start of the new league year, then signed one of the game’s best interior defenders while the owners meetings were ongoing. They’re taking character risks with all three acquisitions, but they did so at the expense of building what might be the NFL’s best defense. The Rams also were able to re-sign a trio of important players, though holes do remain.
Most significant signing: DT Ndamukong Suh. The Rams signed Suh to a one-year, $14 million contract a couple of weeks after he was released by the Miami Dolphins. He isn’t a perfect fit, considering he has never played in a 3-4 defense and will probably spend a lot of time at nose tackle. But his pairing with Aaron Donald, the reigning NFL Defensive Player of the Year, gives the Rams what might be the best duo of defensive tackles in league history. Together — and along with another standout interior defender in Michael Brockers — they’ll bring relentless pressure, which should make what is already a standout secondary even more dangerous.
Most significant loss: WR Sammy Watkins. The Rams basically lost Watkins when they decided to use their franchise tag on safety Lamarcus Joyner, sending Watkins into a robust free-agent market that yielded a lucrative contract from the Kansas City Chiefs. Watkins’ 593 receiving yards last season doesn’t jump off the page, but the Rams — coach Sean McVay, in particular — believe his vertical presence and playmaking ability were crucial in freeing up Robert Woods, Cooper Kupp and even Todd Gurley in the passing game. The Rams are now scrambling for ways to replace Watkins. They even agreed to bring back Tavon Austin, long considered a cap casualty.
Player they should have signed: OLB Trent Murphy. He was a potential buy-low candidate who generated nine sacks in 2016 while playing for a Washington Redskins defense that was overseen by current Rams linebackers coach Joe Barry. Murphy could have replaced Robert Quinn, who was sent to the Dolphins five days before inside linebacker Alec Ogletree was dealt to the New York Giants — two moves that paved the way for the Rams’ acquisitions of cornerbacks Aqib Talib and Marcus Peters. Murphy wasn’t meant to be, however. He signed a three-year, $21 million deal with the Buffalo Bills, a rich sum for someone who missed the entire 2017 season.
Additions: Suh; Talib; Peters; Nickell Robey-Coleman, CB (re-sign); John Sullivan, C (re-sign); Dominique Easley, DE (re-sign); Ramik Wilson, ILB; Sam Shields, CB.
Subtractions: Watkins; Quinn; Ogletree; Trumaine Johnson, CB; Cody Davis, S; Derek Carrier, TE; Tyrunn Walker, DT; Lance Dunbar, RB.
What’s next: It’s painfully obvious that the Rams still need to address the linebacker position. They might not have the cap space to do so on the free-agent market, but they can nonetheless piece it together. Their two inside linebacker spots are set, with Mark Barron at one and either Wilson or Cory Littleton at the other. If they bring Connor Barwin back at a reasonable cost, he can combine with young Samson Ebukam to lock down one of the outside linebacker spots. That leaves the other side. Matt Longacre proved to be a capable backup to Quinn last season, but the Rams need more here. Their hope, it seems, would be to solve this with their first-round pick.
March 30, 2018 at 9:50 am in reply to: grading/assessing Rams off-season so far (starts with Whitlock/Schlereth debate) #84711
znModeratorfrom Bears, Vikings, Browns improved most in NFL free agency period
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5) Los Angeles Rams
General manager Les Snead made it clear at the NFL Scouting Combine that January’s home playoff loss to the Falcons still cuts deep inside the organization. To Snead’s credit, the Rams refused to rest on last year’s marvelous progress, wheeling and dealing like visionary madmen to morph their Wade Phillip-led defense into a beast.
A pair of trades added Marcus Peters and Aqib Talib to the cornerback room, while Snead wisely slapped talented safety Lamarcus Joyner with the franchise tag. Re-signing cover man Nickell Robey-Coleman and taking a shot on former Packers corner Sam Shields gives Phillips a dazzling pack of players to build his secondary around. The Rams also remain in the race to add game wrecker Ndamukong Suh to the mix after the Dolphins cut bait with the defensive behemoth. The idea of Suh paired with Aaron Donald should be enough to thoroughly freak out every offensive coordinator in the NFC. On the other side of the ball, it would have been nice to keep wideout Sammy Watkins, but free agency remains a give-and-take exercise. Still ruminating on that playoff loss, Snead did plenty to ensure history won’t repeat itself.
znModeratorUSA TODAY POWER RANKINGS (Published On: 2018-03-29)
https://www.usatoday.com/sports/nfl/rankings/
RANK TEAM RECORD CHANGE HI/LOW NOTES
1 Philadelphia
Eagles 13-3 1 / 24 Arrival of Michael Bennett offsets champs’ handful of departures. And Nick Foles might still fetch nice bounty once Carson Wentz fully recovers.2 New England
Patriots 13-3 1 / 12 Tom Brady’s approaching 41, yet team let key pieces (notably LT Nate Solder) jump through QB’s closing window. Still, Pats get benefit of doubt.3 Minnesota
Vikings 13-3 2 3 / 19 Ironically, their biggest question is an $84 million quarterback who’s never won a playoff game and must shoulder franchise’s weighty expectations.4 Los Angeles
Rams 11-5 4 4 / 28 Star-studded roster and coaching staff welcomes Ndamukong Suh, Aqib Talib and Marcus Peters. They’ve got the talent, but will they have the chemistry?
znModeratorNFL Power Rankings: Risers, fallers after free agency
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ESPN.comThere has been no shortage of movement this offseason, and now it’s time to make some sense of it.
The ESPN power panel — a group of more than 80 writers, editors and TV personalities — evaluates how the NFL stacks up following the initial surge of free agency. (Hint: The league has shifted quite a bit since our way-too-early edition.)
Note: These are based on which teams would win head-to-head. Higher-ranked teams would be favored against lower-ranked teams. ESPN Stats & Information’s John McTigue contributed the following.
1. Philadelphia Eagles
2017 record: 13-3
Way-too-early ranking: 2One of the reigning champs’ biggest strengths was the defensive line, which featured a league-high seven players with at least 400 snaps last season. The Eagles lost two contributors, Beau Allen and Vinny Curry, but replaced them with two players with eight combined Pro Bowls: Michael Bennett and Haloti Ngata.
2. New England Patriots
2017 record: 13-3
Way-too-early ranking: 1One of the Patriots’ biggest weaknesses last season was their front seven, allowing the second-most yards per rush and the most time to throw on passes. They’ve traded for Danny Shelton and signed Adrian Clayborn, who had 9.5 sacks in 2017, to bolster the defensive front.
Los Angeles took a risk to beef up its defensive line. Is it worth it? Plus: Tyrann Mathieu to the Texans. Dontari Poe to the Panthers. And Kirk Cousins to the Vikings. Bill Barnwell evaluates every big move of the offseason.
Kirk Cousins’ fully guaranteed deal adds layer to Aaron Rodgers’ talks
Negotiations for Aaron Rodgers’ next contract extension with the Packers are a bit more complicated in the changing quarterback salary environment.Ranking the top 25 potential NFL free agents for 2019
The 2018 market is only a week old, but with so many of the high-end players already signed, it’s time to look ahead at next year’s pool of potential free agents. Which defensive star could become the highest-paid non-QB?3. Minnesota Vikings
2017 record: 13-3
Way-too-early ranking: 4The 2018 offseason will be defined by the signing of Kirk Cousins. Consider this for a moment: The Vikings have been around since 1961, and they’ve never had a quarterback throw for at least 20 touchdowns in three consecutive seasons. Cousins has thrown at least 25 touchdown passes in three consecutive seasons.
4. New Orleans Saints
2017 record: 11-5
Way-too-early ranking: 6Drew Brees re-signing for two years is the best news for the Saints this offseason, but they’ve also added pieces to their resurgent defense. Demario Davis, Alex Okafor and Patrick Robinson all join a defense that allowed eight fewer points per game in 2017 than in 2016.
5. Pittsburgh Steelers
2017 record: 13-3
Way-too-early ranking: 3The biggest question for the Steelers is whether they can work out a long-term deal with Le’Veon Bell, who was once again franchised. Bell has accounted for 75 percent of the Steelers’ rushing yards over the past two seasons, the only player to surpass 70 percent.
6. Los Angeles Rams
2017 record: 11-5
Way-too-early ranking: 9The Rams had one of the biggest offensive turnarounds in NFL history last season. This offseason the Rams are adding 12 Pro Bowls between Ndamukong Suh, Marcus Peters and Aqib Talib to a defense that already featured the 2017 Defensive Player of the Year, Aaron Donald.
7. Atlanta Falcons
2017 record: 10-6
Way-too-early ranking: 7The Falcons filled a big need by signing guard Brandon Fusco to bulk up the interior of the offensive line. The defensive line has taken a hit, though, with Dontari Poe and Adrian Clayborn both signing elsewhere. The duo played the second- and third-most snaps along Atlanta’s defensive line last season.
8. Jacksonville Jaguars
2017 record: 10-6
Way-too-early ranking: 5The Jaguars saw a huge turnaround in 2017 and are continuing to build on that success. No team ran more between the tackles in 2017, so they signed an All-Pro guard in Andrew Norwell to help. No team had fewer receptions at tight end last season, so they signed Austin Seferian-Jenkins to fix that.
9. Green Bay Packers
2017 record: 7-9
Way-too-early ranking: 8The splashy signing of Jimmy Graham will certainly shore up a tight end group that combined for two touchdowns last season, tied for fewest in the NFL. But that move didn’t come without sacrifice, and how will Aaron Rodgers react without his old favorite target? Rodgers has thrown more touchdown passes to Jordy Nelson in his career than any other player (65).
10. Houston Texans
2017 record: 4-12
Way-too-early ranking: 15The Texans allowed the most points in the NFL in 2017, so plugging gaps on the defense was crucial. Tyrann Mathieu, who leads all players in interceptions when lining up as a slot corner the past five seasons, and Aaron Colvin, who was the slot corner on the Jaguars’ stout defense last season, are good starts.
11. San Francisco 49ers
2017 record: 6-10
Way-too-early ranking: 14Only the Packers allowed a higher Total QBR on passes to wide receivers than the Niners did last season, so the addition of Richard Sherman should pay immediate dividends. With a huge defensive need addressed and Jimmy Garoppolo locked in, San Francisco is in good shape heading into the draft.
12. Carolina Panthers
2017 record: 11-5
Way-too-early ranking: 10The Panthers were able to mitigate the loss of defensive tackle Star Lotulelei by bringing in Dontari Poe, but the Panthers haven’t done much to mitigate the loss of All-Pro guard Andrew Norwell yet. The Panthers already ranked 24th in yards per rush between the tackles last season, so losing Norwell won’t help.
13. Seattle Seahawks
2017 record: 9-7
Way-too-early ranking: 11The Seahawks ranked 13th in points allowed last season, the first time since 2011 they ranked outside the top three. With Richard Sherman, Michael Bennett, Sheldon Richardson, DeShawn Shead and Jeremy Lane all gone — and more changes potentially coming — it’s possible Seattle could slip even further.
znModeratorPasser rating when kept clean in the pocket is one of the most stable numbers you can find, potentially predictive because of it.
what was goff’s?
From October: Goff leads the NFL with a QB rating of 128 with a clean pocket. https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/10/04/fantasy-football-week-5-target-and-snap-report-jared-goff-rams
From December 9: What’s more, the premier NFL analytics website ProFootballFocus.com rates Goff 12th in passer rating against blitzes, and 12th in a clean pocket. In other words, Goff is just as effective when teams pressure him with extra pass-rushers. That’s mighty impressive for a Year 2 QB. http://torontosun.com/sports/football/goff-vs-wentz-nfls-next-gen-qb-rivalry-begins
From December 20: After finishing 24th in pass blocking efficiency a season ago, they are 15th this season, with Goff posting a 108.8 rating when blessed with a clean pocket. https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-2017-pffelo-nfl-power-rankings-week-16
znModeratorJoe Curley@vcsjoecurley
“I think we can be the best. We’re going to set our goals high.” -@sonofbum on the Rams new-look secondary on tonight’s episode 2 of Behind the Grind.“Anytime you get two new players, it’s pretty exciting. But when you get two really tremendous players who have proven they can play in this league, it’s I think really special.” – @sonofbum on the Rams adding @AqibTalib21 and @marcuspeters
In the episode, Easley says he had two surgeries to repair the knee he injured in the first week of training camp, one to repair the LCL in August and another to repair the ACL in October.
“We got all these ball players, playmakers. Football is going to be fun.” — @marcuspeters going thru the new Rams secondary after ticking off Talib, Robey-Coleman, Webster, Joyner.
“See ball, get ball. It’s as simple as that.” – @marcuspeters explaining the secret to all those takeaways so early in his NFL career
“You’re going to witness the best, the best doing it, man. I’ve had a lot of D coordinators in the league. Not downplaying none of the D coordinators I’ve had, but Wade Phillips is a Hall of Fame D coordinator.” – @AqibTalib21 to @marcuspeters on @sonofbum
“You’re going to witness the best, the best doing it, man. I’ve had a lot of D coordinators in the league. Not downplaying none of the D coordinators I’ve had, but Wade Phillips is a Hall of Fame D coordinator.” – @AqibTalib21 to @marcuspeters on @sonofbum
“We’ve got an attacking, aggressive offense. If we can get a suffocating D, too, that even better,” – Les Snead
znModeratorSuh is joining a 3-4 unit that already features Aaron Donald and Michael Brockers as the ends.
Sigh.
Common mistake.

znModeratorRams’ Ndamukong Suh: Expected to play nose tackle
RotoWire Staff
https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/football/news/rams-ndamukong-suh-expected-to-play-nose-tackle/
Rams head coach Sean McVay said Wednesday that Suh will play nose tackle in defensive coordinator Wade Phillips’ 3-4 base defense, Gary Klein of the Los Angeles Times reports.
After spending most of his career as a three-technique defensive tackle in 4-3 schemes, Suh is joining a 3-4 unit that already features Aaron Donald and Michael Brockers as the ends. It may take some time for Suh to get comfortable at nose tackle, but his combination of athleticism and tenacity ultimately should translate at any position along the interior line. None of this will be an issue when the Rams are in their nickel defense — which should be well over half the time — as Brockers can simply come off the field. Suh is signing a one-year, $14 million contract with Los Angeles, seemingly passing up larger offers for the chance to play on a stacked team. He’ll still have plenty of chances to rush the quarterback, and the Giants’ Damon Harrison has proven it’s not impossible to pile up tackles from the nose spot.
znModeratorAlbert Breer@AlbertBreer
The money in new Rams DT Ndamukong Suh’s deal is very real — per source, he gets a fully guaranteed $14 million base salary for 2018 in his one-year deal. Incentives can push it to $15 million.Debate over the Josh McDaniels rule in the meeting room got a little heated. Argument against: Shouldn’t punish winning teams for being alive. Argument for: These circumstances aren’t a problem in college football, and shouldn’t put winning assistants at a disadvantage.
Dianna Russini@diannaESPN
all 32 teams are represented at Lamar Jackson’s pro day.
znModeratorDon Banks@DonBanks
Five weeks out, quarterbacks are set to rule this NFL draft. Repeat after me, QBs go 1-2-3. Between the trades and free agency shaking things up.Because of the hyperactive veteran quarterback market this NFL from Cousins to McCarron and all points in between as many as eight teams could field different Week 1 starters than the QB who closed out 2017 for them
Steve Wyche@wyche89
Coaches and GMs I spoke with said they are all for the NFL’s lowering the head/targeting rule – including in-game ejections. They have to coach new techniques. Players will adjust. A GM and coach told me that this is the best measure that has been taken to reduce head injuriesThe changes to the “what is a catch rule?,” were passed by owners 32-0. Possession. Two feet down. Football move.
Andrew Siciliano@AndrewSiciliano
Goodell says coaches support use of replay for decisions on potential ejections for illegal lowering of the helmet.Goodell on moving @nflnetwork to new @RamsNFL stadium: “We’re anxious to be a part of it, and we’re anxious to bring more events there.”
Peter Schrager@PSchrags
The 2011 Eagles “Dream Team” didn’t work out. True.But the 1995 49ers sure did.
It’s hard to win football games. Acquiring great players often helps.
Sam Monson@PFF_Sam
Gruden once asked Tom Moore why Peyton’s backups didn’t get more reps ‘Fellas, if 18 goes down we’re fucked, and we don’t practice fucked.’Passer rating when kept clean in the pocket is one of the most stable numbers you can find, potentially predictive because of it.
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Watch: NFL's @anquanboldin, a federal judge and the nation's wealthiest African-American talk about the humiliation and unfairness of being stopped for ‘driving while black.’ An @TheUndefeated collab with @NatGeo https://t.co/UeIJ9Goz0E
— Steve Reiss (@StephenReiss) March 28, 2018
March 29, 2018 at 5:00 pm in reply to: OBJ named in $15 million assault lawsuit… & other things OBJ #84693
znModeratorEven though Mr. Temple agrees that Mr. Beckham was in no way involved in the physical altercation, neither as a participant nor as an instigator,
I dunno. Do we want a player who defines himself as someone who does not get involved?
znModeratorThis has been the strangest off-season since….?
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vI don’t like the OBJ trade idea.
In terms of the off-season, my bet is they’re like this every year from now on. Go aggressively after mercs they can use for a year or 2.
znModeratorOdell Beckham Jr. to the Rams? Ten things to consider
Alden Gonzalez
LOS ANGELES — There’s no way, right? It was absurd that the Los Angeles Rams traded for two All-Pro corners and flat-out bonkers that they added one of the game’s best interior linemen to a defense that possesses the game’s best interior lineman. But now the Rams have been linked to New York Giants superstar Odell Beckham Jr., one of the game’s best wide receivers at only 25 years old. And here’s the crazy part: Nobody’s really ruling them out. Suddenly the Rams have become the NFL’s premier landing spot, capable of adding anyone at any time. But acquiring Beckham won’t be easy. Below, we sorted through the 10 things to consider, ranging from what has been established to what remains murky.
What we know for sure …
1. The Rams get L.A. They understand that you need to score a lot of points, that you need to be exciting, that you need to employ stars and that you need to take some serious risks to thrive in this market. So they moved up 14 spots to draft their potential franchise quarterback, Jared Goff, No. 1 overall. They took a shot on a 30-year-old, offense-minded head coach in Sean McVay. They traded for Marcus Peters and Aqib Talib, then signed Ndamukong Suh in the same offseason. And they’re building the biggest, baddest stadium on the planet, one that could cost close to $5 billion when you factor all of the surrounding land.
2. They miss Sammy Watkins. McVay spoke longingly about Watkins while addressing the media from the owners meetings in Orlando, Florida, on Tuesday. It has been more than two weeks since Watkins signed a lucrative contract with the Kansas City Chiefs, and the Rams still aren’t quite sure how to replace him. McVay has talked about doing it “by committee,” which would mean more multiple-tight-end sets, a bigger role for Josh Reynolds and, perhaps, a little bit of Tavon Austin. Still, there’s no clear answer. Watkins finished with only 593 receiving yards, but McVay truly valued what his separation skills created for his offense. It’s something he can’t really duplicate in-house.
3. They like making trades for first-round picks at the end of their rookie contracts. They did it with Watkins last August, and they did it with Peters this past February. The Rams have carved out a little niche for themselves here, pouncing when teams decide to part with elite players they aren’t willing to sign long term. It provides them with an immediate jolt of impact talent at a reasonable price, with the potential to at the very least secure a compensatory pick the following April. Beckham is in the exact same situation, owed less than $9 million in the final season of his rookie deal.
4. They aren’t afraid to take on any character concerns. I mean, look at what they’ve done this offseason. Talib once yanked someone’s chain, Peters once chucked a penalty flag into the stands and Suh has habitually stepped on people. Literally. Beckham brawls with goal posts, punches walls, fights with Josh Norman, and on a more serious note, recently had a suspicious video surface. But he also works really hard and is really, really good at his job, just like Talib, Peters and Suh. The Rams are supremely confident in the culture that has already been established by McVay. Beckham won’t change that mindset.
The Rams have a need at receiver after losing Sammy Watkins. Odell Beckham Jr. would be an upgrade. William Hauser/USA TODAY Sports
What we pretty much know …5. The Rams are interested in acquiring Beckham. And really, this whole thing blows up without it. It all began with a New York Daily News report from Monday that stated the Rams “already have talked with the Giants about possibly trading” for Beckham. The Rams themselves have not refuted that report. In fact, McVay almost embraced the questions Tuesday. “We can’t talk about anybody that’s under contract with any other team, but I think, if there’s one thing you can appreciate about what we’ve done this offseason, there’s no trade we wouldn’t explore or look into if we feel like it can upgrade us as a team.” OK, that’s basically a non-answer. But the Rams are indeed interested. To what degree is hard to pinpoint. At this moment, however, it seems as if they’re merely doing their due diligence.
What we probably know …
6. The Rams would be among the Super Bowl favorites with Beckham. Their odds to win it all would actually go from 12-1 to 10-1 if they were to acquire him. (They began last season at 100-1, if you want another reminder for just how far they have come.) The Rams might possess the game’s best special-teams unit and have now built arguably the game’s best defense, with Suh, Aaron Donald and Michael Brockers up front, and Talib, Peters, Lamarcus Joyner, John Johnson and Nickell Robey-Coleman behind them. On offense, Beckham, Goff and Todd Gurley would come close to rivaling the Pittsburgh Steelers’ trio of Ben Roethlisberger, Le’Veon Bell and Antonio Brown — and the Rams might have better players around them.
7. It’s going to take at least this year’s first-round pick to land Beckham. It took a second-round pick to pry Watkins away from the Buffalo Bills last summer, and Beckham is better. Perhaps significantly better. Some reports have stated the asking price would start with a first-round pick and go from there, the latter depending on just how high the demand becomes. It might take two first-round picks, perhaps some veteran players if the Giants cling to the belief that they can win now. The Rams have the No. 23 overall pick in this year’s draft — one they would ideally use to address their need at edge rusher — but then they don’t pick again until Round 3.
What we don’t know much about …
8. What the Rams’ competition would look like. Over the past few days, the Giants appeared to signal to teams that they are open for business when it comes to Beckham. It doesn’t mean they want to trade him; but it does mean they’ll get a sense for his market, which will probably influence their decision. Players this good and this young hardly ever become available, which is why you see lesser players sign such lucrative contracts on the free-agent market. The Miami Dolphins, Cleveland Browns, Indianapolis Colts and Arizona Cardinals all left the first wave of free agency with a major need at receiver. Others could probably factor in here, too.
9. Whether the Giants will actually trade Beckham. This, of course, is the key question. And nobody seems to really know for sure. Here’s what ESPN Giants reporter Jordan Raanan wrote recently with regard to whether Beckham would still be with the team this coming season: The answer probably is yes. Nothing is guaranteed, but the odds favor Beckham being with the Giants this year and beyond. Many things would have to fall into place quickly in order for Beckham to be jettisoned from the team that drafted him 12th overall in 2014 by the time Week 1 rolls around in September. Any deal would almost certainly have to be made before next month’s draft because it would have to include some valuable draft picks. Possible, but not likely.
10. How it can work for the Rams financially. This might be the trickiest part. It’s not so much about fitting Beckham into this year’s salary cap; there are a multitude of creative ways to free up enough money so that Beckham fits and the Rams still have enough in reserve to absorb Donald’s potential extension. I’m wondering about Beckham’s long-term fit. The Rams aren’t going to give up so much for Beckham without knowing they can sign him to an extension, which would of course require an inordinate sum. But Donald, Gurley and Goff are all one year apart,and the Rams plan to keep them all. Long term, it’s already going to be very tough to sign all three to extensions and still put enough pieces around them to win consistently. Beckham, too? And Peters?
Well, consider this: OverTheCap.com projects the Rams with $94.5 million in cap space in 2019, second most in the NFL. In 2020, it’s $159.3 million, more than anybody else.
znModeratorWhy a Giants-Rams trade for Odell Beckham Jr. makes sense and more NFL news
A trade for the star wide receiver could cost the Rams at least two first-round picksPete Prisco
Should the New York Giants trade star receiver Odell Beckham Jr.?
The answer is maybe.
Should the Los Angeles Rams make the move to get him?
Depends.
The Giants say they aren’t actively seeking to trade their high-profile receiver, but any player is available for the right price and the Giants have seemingly tired of Beckham’s off-field issues and his act.
He is coming off a season shortened by an ankle injury and he’s had his share of issues away from the field.
On the field, Beckham is an amazing talent, one who can change a game with one catch and run. That’s why the Rams would make a lot of sense for Beckham Jr.
It’s clear Los Angles is all-in the next two years as they get the luxury of using the rookie contract of quarterback Jared Goff as a way to handle their cap. That’s why they were able to trade for corners Marcus Peters and Aqib Talib and sign Ndamukong Suh to make the defense better.
They lost speedy receiver Sammy Watkins in free agency to the Chiefs, so that’s one part of their offense that is missing. Beckham is a much better player than Watkins, which is why acquiring him is intriguing.
The Rams are interested, even if they can’t say it. What would the price be? I hear it’s two first-round picks, this year’s (No. 23) and next year’s, which they would hope would be later in the first round.
But they likely wouldn’t make that deal unless they could get assurances that Beckham would sign a long-term deal. It’s too risky otherwise since 2018 is the final year of his contract.
He is scheduled to make $8.4 million next year, which is underpaid by league standards, especially when you consider Watkins got $16 million a year from the Chiefs. There is no way they would trade and then be forced to put the franchise tag on him next year if they didn’t get a new deal.
“Hypothetically, a player of his caliber can kind of really do everything,” Rams coach Sean McVay said. “We don’t really get into situations of discussing players that are under contract with another team.”
Rams general manager Les Snead echoed those sentiments when I interviewed him for CBS Sports HQ on Tuesday because of the league’s tampering rules. But it’s apparent the Rams have an interest.
It also sounds like the Giants are willing to let him go. Would two first-round picks be fair to get back? If you look at the Giants roster, they have a chance for a complete makeover.
They could also trade out of the second spot in the draft to a quarterback-needy team – if they are sticking with Eli Manning for now – and they could add even more picks. This could be a draft to re-load for the future if they were to make those two moves.
It would be a win-win for both. The Rams and McVay would get a home-run threat for their offense and truly be poised to make a push in the NFC, while the Giants can focus on the future without the Beckham distraction.
The trade makes sense.
Let’s see it happen.
znModeratorWhat They’re Saying: Rams Agree to Terms with DT Ndamukong Suh
Kristen Lago
The Rams made another big splash during free agency — agreeing to terms with five-time Pro Bowler and three-time All-Pro defensive tackle Ndamukong Suh. With the acquisitions of cornerbacks Aqib Talib and Marcus Peters already finalized, Suh adds yet another dynamic playmaker to the Los Angeles defense.
And it didn’t take long for writers and reporters across the sports media landscape to share their feelings about the big move. Take a look at what they’re saying about the Rams’ latest offseason transaction:
— Pro Football Focus: “The most important move of the offseason.”
“March is almost over but it’s possible that the Los Angeles Rams signing of Ndamukong Suh on Monday evening will go down as the most important move of the offseason. After adding cornerbacks Aqib Talib and Marcus Peters, the signing of Suh up front indicates that the Rams expect to be among the top teams in the NFL in 2018. The raw numbers in 2017 suggest that this is a move that will allow the Rams’ defense to wreak havoc this season.”
— The Ringer: “The truth is they could line up on Mars and still combine for 25 sacks.”
“RIP, Russell Wilson — Only two active defensive tackles have been named first-team All-Pro three times. Now they play together. With Suh and Aaron Donald, the Rams are stacking strength on strength at one position in a way the NFL hasn’t seen since Denver paired DeMarcus Ware with Von Miller in 2014. Now teams will have the unenviable choice of focusing on blocking Donald, who led the league with 91 total quarterback pressures (sacks, hits, and hurries combined) in 2017, and risk a one-on-one matchup with Suh, who was first-team All-Pro in 2010, 2013, and 2014, or blocking Suh only to let Donald loose.”
— Sports Illustrated: “It’s as scary as it sounds, for reasons both obvious and subtle.”
“Aaron Donald and Ndamukong Suh playing together on the same defensive line—It’s as scary as it sounds, for reasons both obvious and subtle. The obvious: Donald is the best gap-shooting interior D-lineman in football—a label previously owned by the now-31-year-old Suh. The subtle: Donald and Suh are both 3-techniques (Warren Sapp’s old position, where the player aligns between the offense’s guard and tackle), but they’re also versatile.This dual versatility will greatly expand and disguise Los Angeles’s designer four-man rush tactics.”
— NFL.com: “The Rams have constructed their own 21st century version of the Fearsome Foursome.”
“The best remaining player in free agency has made a decision on where he’ll be playing for at least the next year. In acquiring a trio of potential Hall of Famers this offseason, the Rams have constructed their own 21st century version of the Fearsome Foursome — two bulldozers on the line and two ballhawks roaming the secondary — all captained by one of the best defensive coordinators in NFL history, Wade Phillips.”
— ESPN.com: “The Rams have secured what might be the greatest pairing of interior linemen in NFL history.”
“The Los Angeles Rams have secured what might be the greatest pairing of interior linemen in NFL history, adding five-time Pro Bowler Ndamukong Suh to the same unit as Aaron Donald, the reigning Defensive Player of the Year. Pairing Suh with Donald, a three-time All-Pro who led all NFL players in total pressures last season, will give the Rams an unrelenting pass rush, which should lead to more turnovers for a team that intercepted 18 passes last season.”
— Fox Sports: “The Rams defense just got that much better.”
“All-Pro defensive tackle Ndamukong Suh signed a 1-year contract with the club on Monday. Suh and Aaron Donald together will be a disaster for NFC quarterbacks in 2018. Through eight NFL seasons, Suh has started all 126 games he’s played and recorded 418 tackles (288 solo), 147 QB hits, 103 tackles for loss, 51.5 sacks, forced four fumbles and recorded an interception.”
znModeratorJordan Schultz@Schultz_Report
Folks asking why Ndamukong Suh chose the #Rams: Impressed w/the #Rams’ staff as a whole. Wade Phillips and him saw eye-to-eye. He connected well w/Les Snead and likes the idea of playing in different spots. LA can even use him as a nose. Knows he will contend and be close to homeThe Rams will btw, use Suh as a nose, but he can play all over and still get up the field in Wade Phillips’ non-traditional 3-4.
Suh told me he liked Sean McVay. But the Wade Phillips factor is also crucial, and he enjoyed speaking with him as well.
#Suh immediately enjoyed culture and tone of the #Rams. Felt really good afterward about how/where he would fit. Feeling was clearly mutual.
znModeratorWith Ndamukong Suh joining Aaron Donald, the Rams’ defense is going to be terrifying
Austin Gayle
The Los Angeles Rams continue to win the offseason, as former Miami Dolphins interior defender Ndamukong Suh has ended his well-documented free agency tour and joined what has quickly become a star-studded defense in Hollywood. And now quarterbacks facing the Rams will tremble at the prospect of facing a defensive line that includes another of the NFL’s best interior defenders in Aaron Donald.
Pro Football Focus’s No. 1 overall ranked player in two of the past three seasons, Donald has become a household name now just four years into his career, dominating his opposition with elite consistency both as a pass-rusher and in run defense. In 2017, he recorded an NFL-high 91 total pressures en route to a career-high 99.7 overall grade.
Now paired together, Suh’s and Donald’s respective ceilings skyrocket.
Suh has earned overall grades of 89.3 or higher in each of the past three seasons in Miami, eclipsing his previous career-high with the Detroit Lions (89.1, 2013) in all three years. He’s also earned an overall grade below 81.0 just once (78.4, 2011) in his eight-year NFL career.
The 6-foot-4, 307-pounder has recorded 160 total pressures over the past three seasons, ranking sixth among all interior defenders. He also amassed 247 total impact plays (factoring in quarterback hits, quarterback hurries and all defensive stops) in those three years, tying for fourth among the same group of interior defenders. His three-year pass-rush productivity, a PFF-born efficiency metric that measures pressure created on a per-snap basis with weighting toward sacks, ranks 11th among interior defenders with at least 1,000 pass-rush snaps 2015-17.
In 2017, Suh amassed 43 total pressures across 495 pass-rush snaps, including 30 quarterback hurries, eight hits and five sacks. He ranked 21st in pass-rush productivity (6.8) among qualifying interior defenders.
Suh’s new partner in crime, Donald, led all qualifying interior defenders in pass-rush productivity (14.8), as he logged 66 quarterback hurries, 13 hits and 12 sacks across 483 pass-rush snaps. Donald will complement Suh’s bruising approach with quickness off the snap and high-end athleticism, as he has flourished attacking both the outside and inside edge of opposing offensive linemen with his speedy first step and technical hand usage.
Though explosive off the snap, Suh opts for physicality over finesse when attacking the passer, instilling fear in his opposition via aggressive hand usage and bull-rush techniques. In Suh’s three-year tenure with the Dolphins, he recorded 58 bull-rush pressures, which accounted for 36.25 percent of his total pressures in that span.
In defensive coordinator Wade Phillips’s scheme, Suh will work opposite of Donald at 3-4 defensive end with six-year veteran Michael Brockers manning the middle at nose tackle on early downs. However, with Donald and now Suh at his disposal, Phillips should tap into his creative side on passing downs and move his two premier interior defenders up and down the line of scrimmage to attack mismatches and counter offensive adjustments.
Unlike a majority of interior defenders, Suh offers positional versatility as a pass-rusher. During his time in Miami, he played 63.7 percent of his pass-rush snaps either head up or shaded on the opposing guard and 25.3 percent opposite of the tackle, where he has recorded strong 7.66 and 9.89 pressure percentages, respectively. However, when lined up outside of the offensive tackle, he has more than doubled both his high marks, pressuring the quarterback on 27.27 percent of his pass-rush snaps along the edge.
On top of that, Suh is no one-trick pony, as evidenced by his strong run-defense grades in each of the past three seasons. After earning 88.6 and 88.2 run-defense grades in 2015 and 2016, respectively, Suh earned a career-high 92.4 in 2017, which ranked second among qualifying interior defenders, behind the New York Giants’ Damon Harrison.
However, despite his favorable grades, Suh’s impact in the ground game isn’t fully reflected in the box score. He ranks just tied for 18th in PFF’s run-stop percentage (7.71 percent) among interior defenders with 500-plus run-defense snaps from 2015 to 2017. As such, Suh’s positive impact in run defense is better identified through film study rather than stat sheets.
Suh earned positive grades on 92 of his 361 run-defense snaps (25.48 percent) in 2017, ranking ninth among qualifying interior defenders. And a majority of his positive grades weren’t awarded for making tackles near the line of scrimmage but rather disrupting the line of scrimmage and forcing opposing ball carriers away from intended rushing lanes, which, in turn, allowed his teammates to rally to the ball and steal the box-score glory.
Brockers, who has already proven dominant against the run throughout his career, will be the beneficiary of this component of Suh’s game. A former first-round pick in 2012, Brockers has often taken advantage of one-on-one situations while Donald drew double teams in run defense, allowing him to practically live behind the line of scrimmage. In 2017, he ranked fifth among qualifying interior defenders in run-stop percentage (11.7) and earned the 10th-best run-defense grade (88.0).
Suh’s presence in the trenches, along with Donald’s, will give opposing offensive lines no choice but to dial their focus away from Brockers, leaving him to reap the benefits in the backfield.
A testament to his ability to stay healthy and contribute on all three downs with admirable consistency, Suh has also played 281 more defensive snaps than any other interior defender over the past three seasons.
Adding Suh to their consummate list of offseason signings (including Marcus Peters, Aqib Talib and Nickell Robey-Coleman), Los Angeles has planted its flag as one of the teams to beat in the NFL in 2018.
znModeratorLive look at the new Rams defensive line: pic.twitter.com/nXx6LFTn06
— Lindsey Thiry (@LindseyThiry) March 26, 2018
znModeratorIan Rapoport@RapSheet
The #Giants are listening to trade calls/talks for Odell Beckham Jr and there have been several, I’m told. @wyche89 says the #Rams No. 23 pick is available. … what’s not clear is whether NY actually wants to trade him. Definitely open to listening, tho
znModeratori don’t know that the immediate impact edge rusher in the draft. some developmental prospects. but no one who can come in right away.
Who do they draft with the first pick now?
Oline? or Pass-rusher?
I keep saying this but it’s my schtick for the moment … so I keep saying it.

It’s rare in the extreme to find a rookie edge/DE/pass rusher who has an immediate impact. I looked at all defenders who got 8 sacks or more, and it was 30 in 2016 and 35 in 2017, and in both years there was only 1 rookie.
And, you can find pass rushers in rounds 3 and 4. And they are going to be just as developmental as anyone you take in round 1.
Last year they were 4th in sack percentage without a real rusher most of the year (Quinn got 3 sacks in his first 4 games) so whatever it was they did then they can do now. That and maybe Ebukam comes through.
Thanks for posting his data IR, if he works out, it’s obviously a good thing.
znModeratorthe run defense. i don’t know. i hope suh can play nose.
i wonder what there ultimate plan is for and edge rusher. they can’t be done yet.
You would think they weren’t done. But here’s the problem (I’ve said this before): rookie pass rushers rarely get much production. In 2016 out of 30 pass rushers with 8 or more sacks, 1 was a rookie. In 2017, it was 1 out of 35.
Here’s the good news.
Last year they were 4th in sacks and sack percentage without an edge rusher. Quinn wasn’t himself most of the season and got only 3 sacks in the first 10 games. Still, they ranked 4th in the end. That was largely cause of Donald…and scheming… and… scheming Donald (I did that on purpose. Yuck yuck.) Now they have a double interior rush with Suh added on. They are going to be doing the same as last year, just with double the interior DL pressure and with 2 great corners.
So they could get by. I mean all they have to do is find someone who can get more than 3 sacks in the first 10 games, and they are already better off than last year. That’s not longterm great but it’s something they could pull off. IF Ebukam has anything maybe he gets them 8 or more?
Also the good news is, you can find good pass rushing OLBs in the 3rd and 4th rounds. So they might not pay off right away but they’re there to be had.
Maybe they take 2 or 3. You never know.
znModeratorNdamukong Suh a Strong Addition for the Rams’ Star-Powered Defense, But Questions Still Remain
ANDY BENOIT
Here are the concerns–
The bad—or, more accurately, the caveat—is that this dynamic defensive tackle duo doesn’t suddenly make Los Angeles a surefire top-10 defense. Two big questions remain. First, with both men being classic first-and second-down 3-techniques, who moves to 1-technique on running downs, and how will that go? And second, can a defense afford to have TWO linemen who take as many risks as Donald and Suh? When they penetrate and make the play, it’s beautiful. But when they penetrate and don’t make the play, the defense gets gashed.
Even more aggressive are Los Angeles’s cornerbacks. Only one corner plays a riskier brand of coverage than new Ram Aqib Talib, and that’s fellow new Ram Marcus Peters. These are two of the game’s best playmakers, but they also give up many plays. Some defensive coaches would not be comfortable with that at one outside corner spot, let alone both.
With corners like these, it’s imperative a defense’s pass rush gets home and makes a quarterback throw early, because that’s how route-jumpers like Talib and Peters do damage. If that pass rush fails to get home, the route-jumpers can be liabilities. This undoubtedly factored into the Rams shelling out $14 million for Suh. What’s still missing, though, is a dominant edge rusher. Last year’s top end, Robert Quinn, washed up, so he and his $11.4 million cap number got dealt to Miami. That leaves Matt Longacre and Samson Ebukam as the only true edge rushers; offenses won’t be installing any extra chip-blocking protections for L.A.
The Rams need an edge rusher, but few are available. Free agency has none left, and this year’s rookie edge-rushing crop is light. Perhaps that stoked L.A.’s fervor for Suh. Knowing no outside rusher was out there, the next best play was to become super dominant inside. Nevertheless, this front seven is still not great on the edges, which is something that’s been said of few top-shelf defenses before.
znModeratorWhy did Ndamukong Sun choose the Rams?@AdamSchefter breaks down his thinking. pic.twitter.com/qaCFZ41QLj
— NFL on ESPN (@ESPNNFL) March 26, 2018
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— Daniel Leu (@Leuzer6) March 26, 2018
znModerator@NdamukongSuh to the #Rams ? Whew! #AnnualLeagueMeeting 🧐👂🏾 pic.twitter.com/D9gp67zhpk
— D-Ware (@DeMarcusWare) March 26, 2018
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