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wvParticipantWisconsin.
2016, Trump got 6 percent of the black vote.
2024, Trump got 22 percent of the black vote.
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wvParticipantLatino voters
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/trump-economy-latino-vote-2024-election-rcna178951
“…From the beginning of the election to its final days, Latino voters in interviews and polls consistently named economy, inflation or higher costs as their No. 1 issue and gave Trump the advantage on them. Pennsylvania voter Regino Cruz, 25, said Tuesday that he voted for Trump, believing the former president could improve the economy…
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Carlos Odio, co-founder of Equis Research, a Democrat-leaning polling and research company, said Latino voters who backed Trump liked his prioritization of the economy.“That was the message they got about Trump coming out of the pandemic, that this guy is going to prioritize the economy better than everyone else,” Odio said. “They even told us in focus groups they didn’t believe Trump was going to do any of the other stuff, whether it was banning abortion, repealing Obamacare or deporting Dreamers. They viewed that as political propaganda and ultimately viewed him as a businessman who was going to put the money first,” Odio said.
Odio warned against pinning the election outcome on the Democratic drop in Latino support. Trump had “eye-popping gains” among Latinos in “places like New York and New Jersey and Texas and Florida,” he said. But Trump’s victory came down to a broader erosion of support from voters.
“There’s a temptation to look at campaign tactics, but when you have a broad erosion, you have to zoom out and look at the crises of migration and inflation,” Odio said. “The twin crises of economy and migration have doomed incumbents across the world.”
A rightward shift on immigration — and a gender divide
Latino voters, like other voter groups, shifted right on immigration, backing tougher enforcement against large groups of people arriving at the border that have strained resources in communities that have attempted to shelter them. In the September NBC News poll, 35% of Latinos polled said that immigration hurts more than it helps, the highest share of Latino voters to say so in about 20 years of surveys.
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Hispanic men were among the voter groups propelling Trump to victory and his record Latino vote share.Nationally, NBC News exit polls estimate that 54% of Latino men voted for Trump, while 44% supported Harris.
..…But among Latinas, 61% voted for Harris, and a much lower share (37%) supported Trump. …”
wvParticipant“…The Biden—now Harris—campaign committee raised $997.2 million and Trump’s campaign committee raised $388 million in total between Jan. 2023 and Oct. 16, 2024, the most recent date for which Federal Election Commission filings are available, ending with $118 million and $36.2 million in cash on hand, respectively…” Forbes
wvParticipantwvParticipantFrom the Ben Norton vid up there. In the 2024 election for the first time, self-declared ‘Independent’ voters outnumbered Democrat voters.
Turnout:
34 percent were Independent.
34 percent Republican.
32 percent Democrat.
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wvParticipantwvParticipantI keep coming across the Schumer quote from July of 2016:
“At least publicly, Schumer has no worries about his party’s dwindling fortunes among working-class white voters. “For every blue-collar Democrat we lose in western Pennsylvania, we will pick up two moderate Republicans in the suburbs in Philadelphia, and you can repeat that in Ohio and Illinois and Wisconsin.” Natl. Review article
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wvParticipantI’m sure being a woman of color didn’t help, but yeah…
Right. Which speaks to the fact there are some factions in the Blue or Red pies that are just givens. There is a white supremacist faction that will always go Republican. And Patriarchal ‘family values’ fundamentalist christian faction that will always go Republican. Also a white-wealthy-country-club crowd that will always go Rep.
So, yeah, the woman of color thing hurt the pr0-genocide, pro-ecocide, soul-less, mind-numbingly-dull Dem.
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wvParticipantOh, thank goodness. I was beginning to think I was the only Rams fan on this board. I feel like I stepped into some kind of weird Dolphin orgy here.
That happened to me at Sea World once. I accidentally slipped and fell into their tank.
I dont think captive-dolphin-orgies have anything to do with the rams red zone problems.
I want that on the record.
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wvParticipantwvParticipantI see a lot of voices (tweeter) on the left trying to make out that Harris lost bc of Gaza, and…you know…that’s not it. One thing I’ve noticed in my life is that few people get upset at the suffering and deaths of people they do not know personally. Is that a Leftist thing? I’ll have to ponder that.
Yeah, Leftists took the genocide seriously, but the rest of the country couldn’t care less or were misinformed, or loved jesus-and-israel etc.
I dont think the US-Israel genocide had much of an impact, except maybe in Michigan.
Which sez a lot about the complete moral-decay and capitalist-pathology of US primates.
At any rate, I’m pretty disconnected from Dem-Rep politics, though, these days. So, I dont have a good sense of the exact algebra of why the soul-less Duplicat lost and the Buffoon Replicant won.
But I am curious. (In a quirky, doomer, apocalyptic, wry way. ) I like to keep up on mainstream capitalist-pathology and ecocide-culture. 🙂 So, i will read around, the next few weeks, as i did in 2016. Probly the same exact forces are at play. Same factions.
My gut tells me, that Kamala is John Kerry. She’s Bob Dole. She’s just got a dull personality that did not excite enough people. Shallow amerikunz. Ya know.
Leftists often like to say Dems lose because the party moved too far right, and abandoned the working class. (see vid with RD Kelly below) I mean, leftists always say that. Could be truth to that. I dunno. Thats why LEFTISTS didnt like her. But Clinton won twice by moving right. Obama won twice by moving right. I mean, the Dem ecocide-coalition sometimes works. Sometimes it doesnt. I dunno.
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wvParticipantI am in favor of the Rams dominating and obliterating the Dolphins.
I vote for that.
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wvParticipantYeah…I saw Bernie’s statement both on twitter and facebook yesterday, and I didn’t read it. I did watch the video you brought here, and I guess I’m glad he’s found his voice again, now that the bargain he made is at an end, but it feels like too little, too late. His capitulation to the party went exactly the way we all expected it would…
Bernie’s got a vid where he solemnly, calmly states he ‘disagrees’ with Kamala’s Israel policy, etc.
I watched it and thought, what if a Nazi politician had done a vid where he ‘disagreed’ with killing all the commies and jews.
‘Disagreed’. Jeezus.
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wvParticipantRalph on the Dems.
wvParticipantSaw on a vid, that Tyreek Hill has not caught a ball over 30 yards since week 1.
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wvParticipantI dont have much respect for Bernie anymore (‘my friend Joe’ etc) but he did at least say some useful things to his buddies in the Ecocide-Party. (and i hate TYT, btw, fwiw)
November 7, 2024 at 7:55 am in reply to: Seattle game: tweets, plays, highlights, commentarie, articles #153112wvParticipantwvParticipantSaw this today, fwiw.
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Shocking class realignment tells the economic story of the election
<picture data-testid=”picture”><source srcset=”https://media-cldnry.s-nbcnews.com/image/upload/t_focal-60×60,f_avif,q_auto:eco,dpr_2/newscms/2022_31/3564803/katelyn-burns-msnbc.png 2x, https://media-cldnry.s-nbcnews.com/image/upload/t_focal-60×60,f_auto,q_auto:best/newscms/2022_31/3564803/katelyn-burns-msnbc.png 1x” media=”(This year, Harris carried voters whose total household income is over $100,000 by a 53% to 45% margin. In 2020, Trump carried the same demographic 54% to 42% against Biden.In contrast, Trump reversed his fortunes amongst those with incomes between $50,000 and $99,999 and those who make less than $50,000, winning both by 2%. Biden carried those demographics by 15% and 10%, respectively, in 2020….”wvParticipantSaw this, fwiw.
….Among the more shocking exit poll results in the presidential race is a class realignment from 2020.This year, Harris carried voters whose total household income is over $100,000 by a 53% to 45% margin. In 2020, Trump carried the same demographic 54% to 42% against Biden.
In contrast, Trump reversed his fortunes amongst those with incomes between $50,000 and $99,999 and those who make less than $50,000, winning both by 2%. Biden carried those demographics by 15% and 10%, respectively, in 2020….”
wvParticipantMy second Brady post. I dunno why.
Anyway, these dufus-es are good on what made Brady a special leader.
wvParticipant..I agree. I don’t know how you fight the system when it has so much influence and power over every aspect of daily life. This has to be unprecedented. No society in history has been under this much control while not realizing they are under control…
“Like so many Americans, she was trying to construct a life that made sense from things she found in gift shops.”
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wvParticipantJ.B. Long@JB_Long Since Rams came home from Chicago at the end of September: 4th in defensive EPA. Since Week 6 bye: 1st Defense in that stretch… · Points allowed: 79 · Points scored: 22 · Net: 14.25 ppg against
Certainly feels like the Rams defense is one year away.
I mean, they are definitely coming along this year, but they still need seasoning and a few more parts.
Lets hope Shula is the next Spags.
It’ll be interesting to see what McSnead does in the draft. Where do they see the needs on defense. Linebacker? DB?
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wvParticipantBrady on facing teams with awesome offenses. (at the 12:40 mark)
wvParticipantJason Hickel All the takes about Trump winning the US election are correct and yet they also miss the point.Yes, it was insane for the Democrats to think they could win by running a soulless candidate, without a shred of progressive policy vision, pursuing endorsements from neocon war-hawks everybody hates, while arming and funding a genocide, and belittling and crushing those who have enough morality to protest it. It is enraging that the Democrats are so smug and blind to this. But these are all just symptoms….
Well, I’d say capitalism has failed. I dont think of it as ‘liberalism’ or neoliberalism etc, etc — its just capitalism to me. And yes, its failed. If ‘fail’ means ecocide.
At any rate, as a certified doomer, i see no way out. Kamala was not a way out. Neither was Bernie. Blah blah.
And I really think generation after generation after generation of capitalism has ‘done something’ to Americans. The american mind/soul. I dont think there is any way to turn it around at this point. Not given the power of the system. How do you change people when the system controls the education system and the Media and the Institutions? I mean, exactly how do you ‘get thru’ to the masses when they are this far gone, and they continue to be inundated with capitalist dogmas as well as all the other capitalist induced factors? (ie., exhausted workers, distractions, addictions, atomization, etc, etc etc)
Well, I’ve said all this before, so i dont intend to repeat the doomer mantras. To be a ‘good leftist’ you have to ‘believe in the People’ — You really do. Che did. Martin Luther King did. The list is endless. I’m a bad leftist, now, though. I no longer believe in the people. And it has nothing to do with this election. This election is just more of the same. I’m not sure exactly when i stopped believing in the people. Maybe back around the Obama years, I dunno.
I think humans can, or could have been, stewards of the biosphere. I think they can, or could have been decent. But not under this system.
This system turns them into pathological dangerous beings. (and i dont mean ‘everyone’, but the vast majority) And the system gets stronger, not weaker. As it rolls over more and more species and people.
So, the big picture to me has not changed. I’m delighted the Dems lost. I’m disgusted the Reps won. I think ecocidal biosphere-killing capitalism wins either way.
There have always been doomers though, of course. Maybe I’m just another misguided wrong-headed cynical doomer.
I dunno. But fuck the Democrats, and Go Rams.
I did vote, btw. Jill Stein, fwiw.
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November 6, 2024 at 2:35 pm in reply to: Seattle game: tweets, plays, highlights, commentarie, articles #153082wvParticipantwvParticipant“…US stocks rose sharply Wednesday morning following a decisive and consequential victory for former President Donald Trump in Tuesday’s US presidential election.
The Dow soared 1,334 points, or 3.2% at the market open. The S&P 500 surged 2% higher and the tech-heavy Nasdaq rose by 1.8%. If the Dow maintains its implied gains throughout the trading session, it will mark the sixth-best point gain ever for the index — but nowhere close to a record percentage gain…”
November 6, 2024 at 11:17 am in reply to: Seattle game: tweets, plays, highlights, commentarie, articles #153076wvParticipantMcVay on GMFB. He’s having a good time on this show.
wvParticipantJohn Mearsheimer is asked who he will vote for in the election tomorrow. He replies: "I won't vote for the Democrats because of the genocide in Gaza. I think the Biden administration is complicit in the genocide and genocide is a red line for me." pic.twitter.com/vXWGSBKysW
— ☀️👀 (@zei_squirrel) November 5, 2024
wvParticipantI have come to despise the Democrats so much in the last few years, I just feel zero regret about this election. I know what Trump is, and i know what he will do (judges, environment, war on the poor etc etc etc etc) but genocide is genocide, and the Democrats are pro-ecocide. Just at a slightly slower rate. Blah blah blah.
I’m glad the Dems lost. I’m not glad the Reps won, but I’m glad the Dems lost.
And now, we get to see the Dems blame the LEFT for the loss. And the Dems will now turn even further Right.
They disgust me. More than the outright fascist Right.
I’ve been wondering all year who would be the Dems NEXT presidential candidate.
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wvParticipantYa know….the Chiefs are without their two top WRs, their top RB, and their no.2 and no.3 TEs.
I guess their OLine is in good shape, though.
Quite an organization they have.
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