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wvParticipantwv wrote:
Well sure, he’s been playing with injuries for about
three fourths of the games he’s actually played
for the Rams.That’s not entirely true. He hasn’t played within juries before, but he has been injuredbefore…previously he was out when injured.
I have been saying all week, btw, that Saffold, Wells, and Joseph are all playing hurt. They give Wells and Joseph days off of practice because of it.
And Jones is in no shape to play because he injured his back over the summer and couldn’t lift weights because of it.
Well, i disagree. I think he’s played
hurt a LOT. I dont wanna quibble over it
though. I just…want…to…sit…with…
the EMOTIONS of the bad-bad-loss.w
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wvParticipantAgamemnon wrote: I blame Finnegan. It all started him.
Finnegan would have been right at home in today’s mess.
What happened on the Odell 80 yarder? I saw it,
but I dunno what the DB’s were doing. They
just sorta went “Olay” and let him run
right down the middle by himself.w
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wvParticipantNick Wagoner @nwagoner 3m3 minutes ago
Rams coach Jeff Fisher said C Scott Wells has been playing through injuries but said Wells has to fix snap issues which came up today.Well sure, he’s been playing with injuries for about
three fourths of the games he’s actually played
for the Rams.Wells, Jake Long, Finnegan — Not money well-spent.
And Saffold will need surgery, so who knows what kind
of shape he’l be in early next season — I assume
we have a board consensus that they
need to replace Wells at Center,
and find a solid Guard.w
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wvParticipant6 and 9, staring at 6 and 10.
Just an awful performance from start
to finish.The D had no answer for Rueben Randle or OB.
Eli just picked them apart,
as per usual. (in four games 12 TDs, 1 INT)This D can be sensational, but it can also
be “unsound”. I dont know what other word to use.
It can be real flashy, but I’m not sure it
can really be “reliable” over the long haul.The O obviously needs better players at QB
G and Center.For me, this was Fisher’s worse loss
in his three years. This was bad.
Year three, at home, against a 5 win team,
with a chance to finish .500 — to be that
undisciplined. To get picked apart like that.
Geez. Bad, bad loss. Itz not the end of the world,
but THAT was the epitome of “Bad bad Loss.”
I shall…sit with it. And then I will
eat hummus and deep-fried pickles.w
vDecember 21, 2014 at 11:53 am in reply to: What's your "bet"? (feeling) (analysis)–Rams beat Giants? #14390
wvParticipant<span class=”d4pbbc-font-color” style=”color: blue”>I want to see eli cry like a baby.
</span>Well, in his three games against the Rams
Eli has nine TDs and one INT. (according to a
post by La)So, yes, perhaps its time
for a bounty.w
vDecember 21, 2014 at 11:50 am in reply to: 2015 NFL Draft: Matt Miller's Scouting Notebook for Week 16 #14389
wvParticipantzn wrote:
Hey wondering what you think about this, Ag. Proposal: as soon as the season is over, we will start a “draft info” board where every article related to ever aspect of the draft will go. “Who the Rams will draft” articles go on this forum, while every other article goes there. We would put up a sticky here saying there was such a board so it doesn’t get lost.What do you think? What would you prefer?
If you want to do the work to organize stuff. Maybe make a draft index with all the articles. I think it would be nice to let new articles sit on the main board for a time before moving them to a draft section with all the draft information. What does the rest of the board think?
Enh. I probably favor leaving the draft stuff on this board.
Lots of posts will sorta be a combination of draft and nondraft stuff.w
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wvParticipantYou know…. Roman Polanski couldn’t come back to this country for YEARS because of allegations of sex with underage girls.
My mom grew up in the San Fernando Valley in the 50s and 60s.
Lemme just say.. Roman Polanski didn’t party alone. Guys like Jack Nicholson partied with him and no one talks about HIM.
Bill Cosby’s, Himself is still the greatest comedy album of all time (I think Dave Chapelle’s Killing ‘em Softly is #2)
And yet… it’s hard to not think that after that concert, maybe he roofied and raped some starlet after he filmed that…
The volume of women who not only have come forward, but are telling consistent stories… are placing him in the right places at the right times… are doing so when they have nothing to gain and everything to lose… they are uniformly painting the portait of a serial rapist and a guilty man.
I don’t give a shit about his legacy. If he’s guilty of this as I suspect he is, then it’s done.
He was already in the Comedy Hall of Fame.
Now, people have to deal with him on real terms…
Strange postmodern-tymz we live in — we receive
all this media-info about people we dont know
and sometimes the bundle of info has some ugly questions…
“Great comedian, Might be a rapist” — what does
one do with that ?w
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wvParticipantwv wrote:
Not crazy about the Oline in general
the last three years.w
vI think in the last 3 years, the OL has had phases of being pretty good. It has mostly depended on health. In 2012, for example, the OL came back healthy from a lot of injury mayhem, and they took it to teams like SF (twice).
Even now, a lot of this is the shadow of injuries. I think Wells and Joseph are both playing banged up–they both get a day off a week during practices. In fact I think a short week was deadly for them. Saffold has the shoulder, and is playing through it. Long is out so Robinson has to start at LOT. Jones can’t contribute because the back injury meant he couldn’t lift and therefore fell behind.
Think about it. That;s injuries having a direct effect on 5 guys.
Well, you think more highly of these OLines
over the last three years. I know they played
well against SF a time or two but I think that
had as much to do with SF being flat as the Rams OLine
being good.I’m just not impressed with what they have done
with the OLines so far. And yes part of it is
injuries but they made the choice to bring in
an older guy (wells) and an injured guy (Long), etc.I think they tend to go with older-injured-guys
rather than young-studs. I would not say
the results have been impressive so far.
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wvParticipantMy own grade, overall, for the whole
organization during the Fisher years iz..
… B-minus.The big free agent signings have not
been real impressive so far.
Cook, Finnegan, J.Long…Not crazy about the Oline in general
the last three years.w
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December 20, 2014 at 4:08 pm in reply to: Breer predicting Cutler to Rams…others say, no it's to the Titans #14315
wvParticipantwv wrote:
I think i’d rather have
a big-armed, mobile, meat-headed rookie
than Cutler.w
vSo you’re saying you prefer a young meathead to a veteran meathead?
Cutler is this generation’s Jeff George. Million $$ arm, ten cent head.
There was a time New York depended
on Joe Willie Namath’s creaky knees.Kinda looks like St Louis fans’ hopes
are dependent on the skill of a
knee surgeon.w
vDecember 20, 2014 at 11:01 am in reply to: Breer predicting Cutler to Rams…others say, no it's to the Titans #14296
wvParticipantI think i’d rather have
a big-armed, mobile, meat-headed rookie
than Cutler.w
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Roger Goodell nixes L.A. team in 2015
By Adam Schefter
ESPN
http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nfl/story/_/id/12056126/roger-goodell-tells-teams-nfl-approve-los-angeles-relocation-2015-season?ex_cid=espnapi_public
espn.go.comAs if there were any questions, NFL commissioner Roger Goodell put an end to them this week when he told the San Diego Chargers, Oakland Raiders and St. Louis Rams that there will not be a team that moves to Los Angeles for next season, according to league sources.
The Chargers announced they would stay in San Diego for the 2015 season after being told by Roger Goodell that the NFL would not accept any relocation bids to Los Angeles in 2015, according to sources.
Goodell also told the Chargers, Raiders and Rams — each of whom can file a relocation application for the 2015 season starting Jan. 1 — that any team that is considering relocating to Los Angeles should look to 2016 instead, according to sources.
Once Goodell delivered that message to teams, the Chargers announced that they were going to be staying in San Diego.
Goodell’s message still doesn’t stop a team such as the Raiders or Rams from filing a relocation application. But those applications, which would require a super majority for approval, would not have the league’s support and likely would be rejected.
So the wait for a team in Los Angeles now is expected to go on until 2016, at least.
The Chargers announced Tuesday that they will not exercise their right to terminate their lease at Qualcomm Stadium, stating that they will continue their attempt to build “a Super Bowl-quality” stadium in San Diego.
According to team executive Mark Fabiani, the Chargers are keeping a watchful eye on what happens in Los Angeles, with 30 percent of the team’s local revenue — which includes advertising, sponsorships, club seats and suites — originating in the Los Angeles market.
ESPN.com Chargers reporter Eric D. Williams contributed to this report.
December 20, 2014 at 10:33 am in reply to: Dick Enberg! I grew up in LA listening to this man call Rams games on the Radio #14291
wvParticipantHe begins talking about his stint with the Rams
about about the 4 minute mark.w
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wvParticipantWell, you can thank the David Stern marketing assholes of the NBA who took them from a team game “Lakers versus Celtics” to a Magic versus Bird game… and totally destroyed it by pushing players to want the old “one on one ISO”…
Makes me sick just thinking about it…
Football can’t function that way, inherently, but they sure want to market it that way.
And contracts have started to get paid that way. They pay the QB dozens of times more than the OL in some cases and then wonder why the QB can’t perform. Well, fucking duh. It’s a team game and all bumper sticker sloganeering about “elevating those around you” aside, it just doesn’t work that way… no matter how much some asshole in marketing would like it to.
<insert obligatory Bill Hicks “if you’re in marketing” reference here>
So, yeah, we’ve seen that change because the QB has the ball on every snap. He’s the focal point on the offense. He’s the sports analogue for the “one who runs things, makes things go, is at the hub of an organization’s success” etc. Thus, the actual Quarterback for an actual NFL franchise when he does perform becomes both a literal and figurative symbol of a whole lot of things… thanks to that damn marketing machine…
Could Winston = Britt? I dunno. THAT thought never occurred to me. I tend to believe that rapists of any kind have a very high recidivism rate (as every study ever has shown) and so if he did what he’s alleged to have done, then he’s simply another encounter from being the next Darren Sharper. No one needs that.
If he didn’t do it, then he does have the potential to be special. He’s got so much growing up to do… I dunno even if he’s cleared that I’d want to deal with that.
If folks thought Michael Sam “could” be a distraction… well, Winston WILL be a distraction because every last blink will be scrutinized.
I think you should be
the “Face of the Board.”I’ll have my people
talk to your people.w
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wvParticipantwv wrote:
But i cant help thinking about that
Philip Rivers game. The Rams D
didnt look so good against Rivers
on the road and the run game gashed
them pretty good if i remember right.That just happens.
Right now the 2nd ranked defense is Seattle.
Yet–
Seattle allowed this: loss to SD, 30-24, SD w/ 385 combined yards including 101 yards rushing. Rivers with 3 TDs.
Yeah, well, I’m not convinced.
Pistols at dawn.
No, make that noon. I like
to sleep in.w
vDecember 19, 2014 at 1:37 pm in reply to: What kind of food you setting up for tonight's Titans/Jaguars game? #14230
wvParticipantOnly a matter of time before
Nike and the rest of the Corps
‘commodify’ the dissent…w
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http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/12049182/jacksonville-jaguars-receivers-wear-breathe-t-shirtsJACKSONVILLE, Fla. — The Jacksonville Jaguars receiving corps wore “I Can’t Breathe” T-shirts during pregame warmups prior to Thursday night’s 21-13 win against the Tennessee Titans.
Cecil Shorts III, Marqise Lee, Ace Sanders and Allen Hurns wore the shirts while they were running around the field and catching passes more than two hours before kickoff at EverBank Field.
It’s the first time the group has worn those shirts during warmups this season.
Defensive end Ryan Davis was also spotted wearing the shirt during warmups.
College, high school, and professional athletes across the country have worn the shirts over the past several weeks as a tribute to New Yorker Eric Garner, who died in July after being put in a chokehold by police while being subdued.
President Obama praised LeBron James for wearing one during pregame warmups before the Cleveland Cavaliers’ game against Brooklyn on Dec. 9.
December 19, 2014 at 1:31 pm in reply to: Analysis: Over Half of All Statements Made on Fox News Are False #14228
wvParticipant“…for example, a PublicMind http://inthecapital.streetwise.co/2014/02/07/study-people-who-dont-watch-the-news-are-more-informed-than-fox-viewers/ survey out of Fairleigh Dickinson University found that “people who said they consumed no news” fared better on a current events questionnaire than people who had been using Fox News to find out what was going on in the world. Let that sink in for a moment. People who categorically don’t watch the news know more than people who watch a network whose primary function is ostensibly to relay the news…”
🙂
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wvParticipantOne of the stories of the 2014 season, aside from
the QB carousel, is obviously
the defensive turnaround (see post below).But i cant help thinking about that
Philip Rivers game. The Rams D
didnt look so good against Rivers
on the road and the run game gashed
them pretty good if i remember right.It will be interesting to see how
Eli and R.Wilson
do against the Rams D.w
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LMU93
Rams defenseGames 1-6
Points/game: 23.5
Yards/game: 378.7
Rushing yards/game: 145.0
Rushing yards/carry: 4.75
QB Rating: 105.9
QB Sacks: 4
Turnovers: 7
3rd/4th Downs: 46.2%Games 7-14
Points/game: 11.6
Yards/game: 310.5
Rushing yards/game: 79.4
Rushing yards/carry: 3.64
QB Rating: 78.4
QB Sacks: 32
Turnovers: 16
3rd/4th Downs: 27.7%
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wvParticipantHundley can’t do more than 2 reads,If he could, he would have learned by now. He’ll bet eaten alive as a starter in the NFL. He’s a career backup unless that magically disappears.
Sure seems like there is a consensus among the
draftnix that this is a bad year
to be needing a new QB.I guess maybe it was a mistake to pass
on Bridgewater and some of the QBs
Snisher passed on last year.…then again maybe they find a way
to go 16-0 next year with TJ Rubley.
Time will tell.w
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wvParticipantyou need a special guy to be QB in the NFL, not only in talent, but a guy that will put in the work to study, game plan to succeed.
Brady, Rodgers, Luck, Russell Wilson, Flacco, etc…..guys that have established great study and work habits to prep well to pick up the complexities of the game.
Very few can rely on raw talent, maybe Brett Farve, but to be great, you need talent and the will to have a strong smart work ethic.
Do you think this Winston kid has these habits established?
One of the things i started noticing about five or ten years ago or so,
was that the tv-celebrity-experts started talking a lot about
potential QB-draft-choices being “the face of the franchise” —
meaning that the QB had to represent the corporate ‘brand’
in a certain way. I’m not saying thats good or bad,
just saying there was a change at some point in the NFL.
I doubt tv-celebrity-experts were saying things like
“Billy Kilmer needs to be the face of the franchise”.w
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wvParticipantIs Quinn still the best player on this defense?
Yes.
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wvParticipantwv wrote:
And here’s a link to the New York Times article about how the investigation into the rape charges was completely mishandled:That, unfortunately, is not a link to the article mentioned, it’s just a link to the front page of the Times. As a rule, links on herd board posts don’t work here. You have to go get the link on a case by case basis yourself.
Nevertheless, I know a bit about that story. It’s actually part of a national issue. Campuses all across the country have gotten worse and worse at handling rape and sexual assault charges, not just with football players.
I thought this issue was deserving of its own thread btw so voila.
Why would campuses be getting worse?
Schools seem to be doing better
on bullying, i thot.w
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wvParticipantA trade-back
post.w
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DeadpoolAgain, its far from draft day, but the way I see things today, I would try to trade back for an extra 2nd or 3rd and keep trading back until I am out of the first round or at least have 2 2nds and 2 3rd and the 4th back.
Rams Needs as of today (pre-FA and resigning its own, cutting players, etc.)
QB – regardless of Bradford there has to be a young QB to attempt and groom.
OG – with Long likely gone and Robinson now at LT, need a OG to pair with Saffold
OC – as bad as Wells has played, no one has taken his job, telling me the Rams need a OC
OLB – Tree and JL are fine, need a 2nd OLB
CB – in a passing league, you could always use CBs
FS – I think they need one, but apparently Fisher and I disagree.
WR – Britt isn’t a longterm solution, who knows when or if Quick comes back and returns to form. Austin, well Austin is what he is.After the top 2 QBs there isn’t one worth the 12th pick.
No CB, OLB, FS or OC is worth the 12th overall
OG – Schreff if he’s there would be perfect, but I think he’s gone.
WR – White will be there along with ParkerSo to me trade back, gobble up picks in the 2nd and 3rd rounds where the value is.
Make it look something like:
2nd – AJ Cann OG USC
2nd – Sammie Coates/ Rashad Greene / DGB – I don’t have a clearcut favorite in the 2nd round unless Duke Williams comes out.
3rd – Reese Dismukes – OC AU
3rd – Brandon Bridge – QB – South Ala.
4th – Jake Ryan – OLB/ILB Michigan
5th – Ladarius Gunter CB Miami
7th – I do not care…say Kyle Emanuel DE NDSU and FCS defensive player of the year.Again, as of today. All this changes if Cook comes out, Schreff drops, etc…
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wvParticipantYes, i remember reading about Strode and K.Washington
when the Michael Sam issue came up.This is a little puzzling:
“Strode posed for one of two paintings commissioned by Adolf Hitler for the 1936 Olympic Games in Berlin.”w
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“Excuse me, you’re not by any chance related to the Boston Hitlers are you?”
A New LeafDecember 18, 2014 at 5:49 pm in reply to: With heavy hearts, William Hayes and Eugene Sims play on #14182
wvParticipant“Playing this game and playing with these guys and coming back here,
I feel like I was at home with my family already.
You want to play for that first family and your second family.
Both of those families motivate you to play even harder.”
——————————Well that’s what you want to hear
from players on the team you root for.
Say what you will about Fisher,
he’s good at creating ‘that’ kind
of dynamic.w
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wvParticipant…“I knew the best thing for Aaron was to be in that three technique, like Warren Sapp, like John Randle,” Waufle said.
“So we went through a hair-triggering transition there,” Waufle said. “Because those guys (Brockers and Langford) had been locked into playing left and right, and now they had to do something different. And the thing I really appreciate is that (defensive coordinator) Gregg Williams let me do it. Allowed me to make these changes — he just let me have free rein with it because I knew it was the right thing to do for Aaron.
“And the thing I take my hat off is that Brockers and Langford have been so unselfish, and they’ve accepted” Donald….
—————————–First off, what iz a “hair triggering transition” ?
Second — Exactly ‘when‘ did they decide to change the Brockers/Langford role?
Cause I figured out that Donald should be a 3-tech and Brockers needed to be a NT
about 4 seconds after they drafted Donald. So, if an idiot-fan like me
figured that out in four seconds I’m assuming GW figured it out that quick too.I assume Langford is gone next year, and they bring in
a young beast of a NT to help out.w
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wvParticipant<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>wv wrote:</div>
snowman wrote:
The Patriots would be nowhere without Tom Brady. They got lucky as hell in drafting him as we did in signing Kurt Warner. Without Brady, the Patriots with Belichick would be just like the Cleveland Browns with Belichick. The Patriots also have signed a lot of low end free agents and have gotten a lot of value from them – Randy Moss, LeGarrett Blount, Darrelle Revis, Brandon Lafell, etc… and I believe that many FAs are attracted to the patriots because of Brady, not Belichick.Well, Brady is a great one,
but they have managed to surround him
with a Good Oline year after year.
They just seem to plug in RBs
and WRs.w
vThey do have a technically sound and very good O line for pass protection, not sure they stand out on run blocking.
This is just me watching games, not breaking down film or really analyzing anything from a technical perspective, but watch how the Patriots O line pass blocks. They stay in their areas and don’t chase the D lineman on stunts or crosses. They have perfect posture, perfect balance and use their hands effectively making them almost immovable. They keep square to the pass rusher, meaning they move their feet well and rarely get in a position to need to take a holding penalty. They are very disciplined and work very well together as a unit, not a group of five one-on-one match ups. I hate the Patriots to my core but I admire their policy and training on pass blocking. From the looks of their roster, this technique and style and discipline is teachable to almost anyone. There have had some notable draft picks and free agents on their line, but for the most part, they are just offensive linemen who are good athletes with size and teachable. I credit Brady and their O line coach for much of their success.
Yes, I’ve noticed their OLines too.
zn has posted about their great old OLine coach.
I think he retired last year.Belichick and Brady are the keys, i guess,
but that organization has the most “brains”
in the league. I mean, just look at the
won-loss record over the last ten years.
There’s somethin special about that collection
of brains.…nevertheless, they must be stopped.
Someone must take the ring to Boston
and throw it at the Sam Adams Brewery.w
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wvParticipantThe Paper of the Mainstream-Record
recommended that Giants fans
stop watching the Giants.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/07/sports/football/jets-giants-better-ways-to-spend-your-sunday.html?_r=0———————-
Surprising Giant factoid:
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/09/sports/football/amid-giants-woes-young-players-get-a-chance-to-shine.html?ref=football
“…According to the Elias Sports Bureau, Sunday was the first time in the Giants’ 90-year history that one rookie finished with 100 receiving yards and another with 100 rushing yards in the same game.
Weston Richburg, making his 12th start at left guard, was part of a significantly improved performance by an offensive line that kept Eli Manning from being sacked. On defense, the rookie linebacker Devon Kennard and the second-year defensive end Damontre Moore each had two sacks; the Giants overran Tennessee’s injury-depleted offensive line for a total of eight sacks….”
—————–On the Giants Pass Rush:
“…The Giants’ progress on defense provides another encouraging element. It generated at least seven sacks in three consecutive games for the first time in franchise history, but it should be noted that they exploited injury-depleted offensive lines and young quarterbacks.
The rookies Blake Bortles and Zach Mettenberger started for the Jacksonville Jaguars and Tennessee. The Giants sacked Robert Griffin III seven times on Sunday after Colt McCoy reinjured his neck on the opening series. Griffin has been slowed by two devastating knee injuries, one at Baylor and the other at the end of his dazzling rookie season in Washington. He dislocated an ankle in the second game this year…”
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/16/sports/football/after-two-straight-wins-giants-recognize-their-deficiencies-if-not-themselves.html?ref=football
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wvParticipantHe burns them out.
You just can’t function at 100% all the time. Not organizationally, not execution-wise.
So, rather than bake in fail-safes, coverages (organizationally) and compensations, he just goes pedal to the metal until the lubricant of winning wears thin and the gears start to wear down….then start to catch…
SF’s engine is about to seize with all the friction.
We’ve got less lubrication from “winning”, but his management style applies so much torque that it breaks down the lubricant so that even with 3 straight NFC Championship game appearances and 1 SB appearance… all that “lubricant” has ALREADY been lost.
From a management perspective, it’s fascinating how not all success is created equal.
So, youre saying Belichex
uses more lubricant?
Is that what yer saying?w
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